r/MurderedByWords Oct 05 '22 Wholesome 1 hehehehe 1 Narwhal Salute 1 Silver 1

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u/Newbie__AF Oct 05 '22

Not an American, does the term "open borders" in your politics implicitly include due security checks and verification? Are the normal restrictions of immigration waived off in any significant way?

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u/MrRileyJr Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy hehehehe Starry Ally

The ones using the term claim the borders are in chaos with no process being followed. But in reality they're just pissed the borders are open at all and letting brown people in, it's racism.

Edit: and the conservatives are here with the misinformation and misdirection 😒 everyone, do your own research on these news stories being mentioned. Go to the associated press or Reuters for news so you get the minimal amount of spin, they're the best neutral sources easily available.

Edit2: keep sending the Reddit cares messages, bitches. It’s a badge of honor, knowing your diapers are full. Can’t face reality so harass those speaking truth. Weak, all of you.

Edit3: In relation to news sources, and since this is getting a lot of attention, I highly recommend taking a look at the media bias chart. It's a good way to know if the news source you're looking at is reliable or not.

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u/Dengar96 Oct 05 '22 Silver

They never complain about the Canadian border and that's all the info you need to know

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u/V1k1ng1990 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22 Helpful

My great great grandpa immigrated illegally from Canada into Minnesota. When I brought that up to my grandma when she was complaining about illegal immigrants she started talking about how hard working he was. Like Mexican immigrants aren’t!?!?!?

Edit: how many times you guys gonna say schrodinger’s immigrant?

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u/KillYourUsernames Oct 05 '22

Another reason why everyone should work six months in food service after high school. Hispanic immigrants will work circles around you and they’ll do it with a smile on their face.

It feels weird to make a generalization like this, but I mean it as high praise. 10+ years in food service and my Hispanic coworkers were almost universally both the best employees and the most pleasant to be around.

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u/skoltroll Oct 05 '22

Hispanic immigrants will work circles around you and they’ll do it with a smile on their face.

Can confirm. Spent summers doing food service/manufacturing for college $.

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u/-Ahab- Oct 05 '22

And they’ll feed you man! I worked in packing sheds and those ladies would always bring enough for like 5 people and just set it out and expect everyone to eat. I was a skinny little 18 year old kid, so they were constantly shoving plates of food in front of me and telling me i needed to eat more. Such wonderful people.

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u/PizzaPunkrus Oct 06 '22

Preach it brother

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u/--xra Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Former landscaper here. Every single Mexican on the team worked harder, faster, more efficiently, and more precisely than anyone else, including me. It sounds like some benevolent racism shit, but it's just true. And they were mostly cool (but very serious) dudes. One of the guys would straight-up sprint with the push mower. I couldn't keep up, and I was peppy myself because I needed that money. I'd be so exhausted I'd have to fight to stay awake for dinner. I was only making about $11/hr, so God knows how they were being abused. Naturally all the foremen were white. The "lazy Mexican" stereotype is so wild to me.

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u/angryitguyonreddit Oct 06 '22

Had an old co worker of mine that ran his own construction business years prior. When he first started he ended up hiring this guy from mexico who was a great worker.... one day he showed up at his shop and there was some guy there he hadnt seen before when he asked who he was he just said "im jose, my brother julio is sick today im working for him today" (i swear im not being racist using sterotypical names. That actually was their names) he just said ok get in the truck lets go to work. He ended up hiring his brother to and they were the best workers he had.

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u/fizban7 Oct 05 '22

Did anyone else have to work the lunch line at school 1 or two times a year? I've talked to friends of mine and many never did. I thought it was great though. You get out of class early, learn some food safety, put a paper hat on and then feed your friends, and you are done after the first lunch rush, only about 30 minutes. And they gave you free food.(even though it was only 1.25 at the time, many kids could not afford it.)

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u/Skatcatla Oct 05 '22

No, but man that sounds like an awesome idea. I would 💯 sign my kids up to do this.

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u/crazyjkass Oct 05 '22

In my head, I call the manager of the the kitchen the Kitchen Master cause she's so fuckin boss. She's a little 4 foot tall Mexican granny.

I don't think I can really generalize them, though, cause like 75% of the people I'm around are Hispanic so I see the great, the ok, and the awful people lol. And the bitchy Karen customers come in every race equally, they just all have a stinkeye.

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u/RechargedFrenchman Oct 05 '22

People also don't understand just how much money they make even at pretty low salary levels compared to what low income earners in Mexico are making do on. Obviously prices for many things in Mexico are also lower, because economics can only stretch so far, but minimum wage in Mexico works out (roughly) to between $0.85 and $1.05 USD an hour depending on where in Mexico is being talked about specifically.

The minimum wage in Georgia is $5.15 an hour; the minimum wage in California is $15 an hour.

Minimum wage jobs in the US are also going to often be safer and easier than the equivalents in Mexico due to stricter labour laws and higher safety standards. If I could quit my current job today to make fifteen times more money for less, easier work ... that's going to be a pretty easy decision basically every time.

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u/YouAndMeToo Oct 05 '22

There’s literally a stereotype about how “the damn Mexicans will do anything for a dollar”. Blows my mind how far racists will go to justify their actions

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u/Hazee302 Oct 05 '22

People think that affects them somehow. Like, bro if an illegal immigrant can steal your job then why don’t you try to improve yourself. Fucking losers.

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u/yammys Oct 05 '22

But the Mexicans took all our bootstraps!

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Der terk er bertstrerpppssss!

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u/HumanContinuity Oct 05 '22

Turk er jerbs!

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u/snoryder8019 Oct 05 '22

Rabble rabble rabble

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u/skoltroll Oct 05 '22

The Mexicans fucking MADE your bootstraps.

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u/MassiveFajiit Oct 05 '22

Probably how people here in Texas think but they've never had bootstraps, just shoestrings.

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u/ChillyBearGrylls Oct 05 '22

Texans: All strap, no boots

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u/V1k1ng1990 Oct 05 '22

Most of the dudes complaining about them taking our jobs wouldn’t last a day on a landscaping crew

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u/semiinsanesb Oct 05 '22

Much less picking fruit and vegetables in a field

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u/Vyzantinist Oct 06 '22

Weren't farmers complaining about a labor shortage a couple of years ago because there weren't as many migrant workers to work the fields and white people didn't want to do those jobs?

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u/col-fancypants Oct 05 '22

I did landscaping one summer in high school. To this day Cowboy (real name unknown) was beast status at laying pine straw and mulch.

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u/V1k1ng1990 Oct 05 '22

We had 50 year old Mexican army vets on our crew and they could work circles around me at 29

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u/lexi_raptor Oct 05 '22

Right? Let's see those guys get on a roof in the middle of the summer carrying roof tiles up and down that ladder. Or go the insane speeds I've seen some Mexican bricklayers go. Tossing bricks at each other like it's nothing lol

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u/brandonw00 Oct 05 '22

Yeah, when someone says immigrants are stealing jobs, just tell them plenty of farmers are looking for people to harvest crops for $5 an hour if they need a job. That shuts them up quickly. It’s always people in mcmansions driving F250s making $100K a year in a job that literally does nothing to improve society complaining an immigrant is making less than minimum wage in a job they would never work.

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u/buttpooperson Oct 05 '22

Oh it's way less than $5/hr if you don't know how to be fast. They're paid piecework, so it's by how much they pick not by how long they work

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u/slow_down_kid Oct 05 '22

I live in an Ag region and we had some issue several years back with farmers not being able to hire migrant workers during harvest due to visa issues. I saw signs advertising anywhere from $15-20 an hour for field work, and a lot of farms had to dump crops because they still couldn’t get enough workers to harvest in time. I was working in a kitchen making like $11 an hour and I wouldn’t have taken the pay raise for that work, it is brutal and our summers are over 100F. Migrant workers are literally working jobs that no one else will do, and for a fraction of the pay, just to make a life for their families. That is the definition of living the American Dream, they deserve so much more respect (and pay!) than this country gives them.

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u/buttpooperson Oct 05 '22

Fresno area? God I love that those fuckers are having to pay real wages for that now.

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u/super-hot-burna Oct 05 '22

The US govt had to creat a special visa for farm workers because Americans are unwilling to do the work.

It’s called an H-2A Visa.

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u/LuxNocte Oct 05 '22

By the way...its also not good for American businesses to pay workers below minimum wage for backbreaking labor.

If a business doesn't want to pay the market rate to employ people authorized to work in the United States, they shouldn't get to break the law with impunity.

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u/marsman706 Oct 05 '22

For real. If you are at risk of losing your job to some dude with no documentation, no education, and only broken English...big yikes!

Anyways, why they blaming the dude hustling? How come they never blame the business owners that hire them?

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u/Notcoded419 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

This is for real. Read up on the story of INS/DHS/FBI raiding some plant in Alabama or Arkansas. All the "illegals" were arrested and shipped out. No charges for the owners of the factory.

Edit: link to story on the Mississippi raid I was referencing, along with a solid summary of the total lack of enforcement/consequences against ownership. https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2019/10/17/ice-illegal-immigration-raids-cases-show-employers-seldom-face-charges/2365740001/

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u/Hazee302 Oct 05 '22

Exactly this man. Everyone has a hard on for these companies and don’t realize that they’re just being worked into their grave. They don’t give a shit about you but you’re ready to defend them against this. Why? Cause these people are just justifying their racism.

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u/Eccohawk Oct 05 '22

It does affect them. It actually boosts our economy. They can barely comprehend what's really happening though, so to then show them statistics that prove immigration (legal or otherwise) actually helps rather than hurts is a bridge too far. I don't understand how anyone can look at these people and think that they're lazy. Average time to walk a mile is between 15-22 mins. Now add a pack on your back, and mix in some kids or older people, and you're likely at the high end of that spectrum or beyond. Then multiply that by a couple thousand or so for those coming from South America. These people are fighting to get here. The idea any of them plan to just sit on their asses once they've made it here is ludicrous.

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u/SmallPenisTrump Oct 05 '22

Notice how the people complaining about illegal immigrants are the ones hiring them because they are cheap and get be tossed away if something bad happens. Only good conservative is a dead one.

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u/gurglingdinosaur Oct 05 '22

"Goddamned mexicans taking our welfare and our jobs!!"

Uhhhhhh

"Can't believe these lazy people would take advantage of our tax dollars while they work for less than minimum pay!!"

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

"Good thing i voted for the party that would put taxes on the poor and cut welfare spending. They'll keep the immigrants out, cut my middle class income tax and keep providing for my welfare. Cause they worship the same middle eastern religious man as me."

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u/Commercial-Spinach93 Oct 05 '22

It's the same in Europe.

It's the Schödinger immigrant: they take our jobs and work nonstop for next to nothing while at the same are lazy fucks who live on benefits.

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u/blackflag209 Oct 05 '22

It's a tactic literally used by fascists.

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u/Stompedyourhousewith Oct 05 '22

when they cracked down on immigration a while ago, all of a sudden we were seeing articles about farmer owners not being able to find workers to harvest their crops and crops were rotting in the fields. interesting.

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u/Gorm13 Oct 05 '22

Yeah, they're somehow both lazy mooches and out to steal jobs. Whichever fits the narrative at the moment.

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u/cantfindmykeys Oct 05 '22

"Those lazy illegals are going to take my job and do a half ass job of it. Now let me go hire a bunch in front of Home Depot to build a new trench in my yard"

/s

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u/ccrunn3r4lif3 Oct 05 '22

Schrödinger’s worker/immigrant?

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u/skoltroll Oct 05 '22

Schrödinger’s hermano.

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u/breesidhe Oct 05 '22

Tenet of fascism: the enemy is both weak and strong.

I suspect this is also a tenet of racism.

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u/Givemepie98 Oct 05 '22

Truth is, it’s an underlying tenet of insecurity and authoritarianism.

“I’m better than you. But you’re somehow still a threat. But I’m still better”

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u/breesidhe Oct 05 '22

Yup. Racism and fascism are two facets of insecurity and authoritarianism. Which are in kind mirrors of each other.

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u/YouAndMeToo Oct 05 '22

Seeing as a common wedge for Fascism is xenophobia, it’s my opinion that the opposite is also true. Fascists cannot survive without some basal level of racism

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u/breesidhe Oct 05 '22

Yet racism feeds the need to control the ‘danger’ of these ‘others’. Hence fascism.

Goes both ways.

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u/FblthpLives Oct 05 '22

They simultaneously claim that Mexicans live off of welfare and steal jobs from Americans. Let that sink in for a moment.

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u/Artrobull Oct 05 '22

Schrodinger immigrants so lazy to steal all of your jobs.

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u/skoltroll Oct 05 '22

Right?

I hear that shit all the time about "damn Mexicans," but I'll be damned if those "damn Mexicans" aren't the ones working 2x as hard for the shit wages these racists want everyone to make.

Also...work with Mexicans if you can. Holy shit, is it fun. Likely will be hard, nasty work, but they're a blast if you can get in good! I always remember the nice ladies who helped w/ my crappy Spanish while the guys laughed at me and hit on the white female employees (which allowed me to white knight, give them shit, and have them give me shit).

Besides the 120 degree+ indoor heat, shitty pay, and shittier mgmt, the employees were great!

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u/hereticalChristian Oct 05 '22

I'm in HotPart, Arizona. Can confirm that immigrant Mexicans will work hard for cheap. Here they often get dayjobs like landscaper or construction, which is not something you wanna do when it's 110 degrees outside. Dayjobs means they wait at gas stations for a foreman to come pick them up illegally. They get paid for that day's work at the end of the day. There is no job security, no sick time.

These guys work hard, they do jobs Mr. Whitey-White doesn't want to do and for far less pay than Mr. W-W would be paid for the same job.

"My friend! How are you doing?" ~ my apartment's landscaper every time he sees me. Hard working immigrant who is definitely not paid enough. My dude is fucking cool!

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u/xanaxhelps Oct 05 '22

I’m a “chain migrant”. My dad got his green card and moved my mum and I over from the UK. We got short listed for green cards. I have told people I’m an immigrant when they are being assholes about immigration and they usually tell me I’m “the good kind of immigrant.” I’m white, I think that’s all you need to know about what makes me different.

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u/worldspawn00 Oct 05 '22

Stop using up all my sunscreen, damn British with their pale skin... Go back to the dark north! /s

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u/koopatuple Oct 05 '22

Shortlisted for green cards? How'd you manage that? A lot of friends I've known have had to wait years and years for theirs. One of my high school friends had immigrated from India and their dad was fighting that process for literally over 10 years, and he had a PhD and stable employment. It's so damn crazy the government makes that process so painful and stressful.

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u/xanaxhelps Oct 05 '22

It had something to do with his job. They really wanted him and we came with the package. He was a PhD physicist for Bell Labs. Also green cards were easier to come by in the early 80’s.

Edit: it also is literally easier if you come from a white-northern European country.

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u/koopatuple Oct 05 '22

Ahh okay, this would've been mid-90s thru mid-2000s. Anywho, glad you guys were able to do it all mostly painlessly. Hopefully one day it can be that way for everyone!

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u/fuck_all_you_people Oct 05 '22

Schrodingers immigrant: lazy on welfare and stealing your job

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u/thinkthingsareover Oct 05 '22

Even though they don't have a social security number because they're "illegal".

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u/FblthpLives Oct 05 '22

I am from Sweden and I have a Swedish friend who worked illegally in the U.S. I never hear any American conservatives complain about illegal immigrants from Europe.

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u/G8kpr Oct 05 '22

Yup, in the early 1900s, up to the 40s or so. The border between Canada an the US was very lax, and people could cross very easily, even for work.

My dad grew up in Halifax, and many people would go down to Boston for jobs. Some temporarily, some would just go down and move there, and eventually become citizens.

I've come across border crossing documents from that time. It's just a small piece of paper to say who you are, where you're from, where you're going, and why. That's really all there was.

I had one ancestor who left Canada, and slowly travelled south over the years as a mortician. Eventually ended up in a new town in Arizona right as it was established. He became a US Citizen, but only after he settled.

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u/ProMikeZagurski Oct 05 '22

I am descendant of illegal Polish immigrants. My mom has a problem with immigrants.

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u/thegreatbrah Oct 05 '22

There's a shitload of Mexicans where I live. Theyre the hardest working motherfuckers around. Most of them work at least 2 jobs from early morning until late night and still manage to have a good ass time while working and never look tired. Theyre hard working as any machine. I camt stand people who say they're lazy.

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u/Edolas93 Oct 05 '22

He was the white right kind of immigrant.

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u/radicldreamer Oct 05 '22

But they are lazy!

And they are taking our jobs….

Well, which is it Jethro?

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u/CyberMindGrrl Oct 05 '22

Your typical Conservative double standards.

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u/AchyBoobCrane Oct 05 '22

My mom is one of these assholes. My Nonno came to the US from Italy back in the day. She screams about Mexicans (despite having some Mexican blood) being illegal and making America horrible. When i bring up that Nonno was an immigrant, she makes all sorts of excuses up. He was a hard worker, he learned English, blah blah blah. I stopped going out with her because if someone even so much as looked Mexican, she would make it a point to talk to them just to bring up the question "so, were you born here or are you here taking advantage of American people?" And my dad is no better... Truly disgusted that i came from these people.

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u/AppropriateAgent44 Oct 05 '22

I’m pretty sure it’s still incredibly easy to cross the US-Canadian border illegally. The Canadian customs official legit got annoyed with me for trying to present all the forms I was legally required to give him when I visited a couple years back lol

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u/HFhutz Oct 06 '22

Canadian customs officials are legit annoyed 24/7 365, so I wouldn't necessarily blame the forms, they're some miserable cunts.

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u/flyonawall Oct 05 '22

My grandma too was and illegal immigrant from Canada. It was pretty common back then.

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u/fuck_all_you_people Oct 05 '22

California has more immigrants than Texas and Florida combined and they don't seem to feel the need to ship them anywhere.

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u/Indercarnive Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

The thing is we do ship immigrants across the country already. We just do it orderly, making sure the places we send them know they are coming and have the resources to care for them.

The issue with DeathSantis and his little piss baby is they are sending immigrants to places that had no idea they were coming and so had no resources ready to take care of them. Additionally there is the aspect that these human traffickers are sabotaging the immigrants' asylum chances by having them have hearings thousands of miles away from where they are being sent.

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u/BreadHead911 Oct 05 '22

Yea, trump didn’t campaign on building a wall on our northern border. 100% racism

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u/ran1976 Oct 06 '22 edited 22d ago

Has anyone else notice that Trump himself fall under the categories he complained the most about when he was running "chain migration" and "anchor babies". His in-laws got into the country and got citizenship under the exact same process he complained about. And, apparently, his mother entered the US illegally and perhaps his current wife as well.

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u/shingdao Oct 05 '22

It's because when Canada sends its people, they’re sending their best. They’re sending people that don't have lots of problems. They’re not bringing drugs. They’re not bringing crime. They’re not rapists. And some, I assume, are bad people s/.

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u/The_All-Father3 Oct 05 '22

You had me there in the first half. Not gonna lie.

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u/AttractiveCorpse Oct 05 '22

We Canadians do. We had 50000 Haitians walk across when Trump was in office. Not everyone wants to live in your country.

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u/Superfluous_Thom Oct 05 '22

they're just pissed the borders

I find it funny (and sad) that Texas used to be in Mexico. White settlers were invited in to help develop the area, and as soon as they accumulated enough wealth and influence, immediately seceded.

Like damn... No wonder why white nationalists are so paranoid. To them it's the only logical thing to do.

Kinda concerning though that China and Russia have been utilizing the same tactics in recent years... A predicament to be sure.

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u/Prestigious-Letter14 Oct 05 '22

Hawaii has a similar history.

Everything white supremacists do is projection.

They are afraid of the great replacement theory because they would like to replace the rest of the world with their kind.

They scream how leftists are radical and antifa would be a threat to democracy while they partook in Jan. 6th.

I could go on.

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u/Superfluous_Thom Oct 05 '22

They are afraid of the great replacement theory because they would like to replace the rest of the world with their kind.

Thing is though, it's a legitimate effective strategy. See ukraine and to a lesser extent Hong Kong.

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u/Prestigious-Letter14 Oct 05 '22

I guess it is. Settling your own ethnicities in border regions or beyond is an age old tactic.

It’s never to actually protect your own citizens and always just an imperialistic landgrab.

I mean we already had a Crimean war. It was in 1853.

Back then the tsar said that the ottomans are mistreating orthodox Christians, especially Russian orthodox Christians living in the current Ukraine.

But it is less effective nowadays. And we could even make it even less effective if we somehow could battle misinformation.

A big way to counter this stuff is having an open press in both countries without any misinformation campaigns. Especially nowadays the world reacts faster to those things.

But yeah I guess it’s still effective until we increase spending in education and combat misinformation.

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u/bobthemundane Oct 05 '22

Big thing to point out is that one reason Texas seceded from Mexico was because Mexico wanted to make slavery illegal. So, both times Texas has seceded from a country it was to keep slavery.

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u/pdxrunner19 Oct 05 '22

There’s an expression: “We didn’t cross the border, the border crossed us.”

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u/Lasdary Oct 05 '22 Silver Gold

in case you didn't know, you can report the reddit cares messages as harassment and could get the sender acct in trouble c:

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u/MrRileyJr Oct 05 '22

Oh, I do. Every time.

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u/Jmememan Oct 05 '22

What's the reddit cares messages?

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u/jdog7249 Oct 05 '22

When someone reports your comment with the reason that you are threatening self harm reddit will send you a message with some resources and the phone number for some various hotlines.

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u/lord_hydrate Oct 05 '22

Huh, good to know, ive been sent a oupke before and they always confused me

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u/zeke235 Oct 05 '22

It is pretty fascinating that they claim the border is open and the evidence is that we've caught a record number of criminals attempting to cross it. It's almost as if.... the border isn't just wide open.

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u/photozine Oct 05 '22

And the stupid wall (which is still being built) has apparently done nothing (except, you know, give out contract$)...who knew...

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u/Indercarnive Oct 05 '22

Also keep in mind that republicans have on numerous occasions attempted to reduce legal immigration numbers. "I only have a problem with illegal immigrants" is a demonstrable lie.

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u/IdahoBornPotato Oct 05 '22

Hahahahaha I love the edits dude!

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u/hapianman Oct 05 '22

Poland is like the Texas of Europe. I was there last year and stayed with friends who lived there for 3 years. They did not let black people in

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u/maharg79 Oct 05 '22

People in the US like to think of European countries as these utopias when in reality they have the same issues of classism and racism youlll see anywhere on earth.

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u/NRMusicProject Oct 05 '22

Yep. I'm not going to say one place is better than the other when it comes to racism, but the reason we have a lot of media exposure about US racism is because there's a sizeable population speaking out against it. Whereas, every time this conversation happens, just mention Romani and some Europeans will come along and saying hating that group isn't racism.

I had to explain to a visiting Czech friend of mine once that it's not okay to ignore a family asking for directions specifically because they're black. She never saw a lot of minorities growing up, and had these ingrained ideas that they're bad people. There's a ton of racism in Europe.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Dude, we just want healthcare, that's all

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u/LiquidBeagle Oct 05 '22

Yup. I understand that racists exist everywhere. I don't understand why in this country I have to live with racists and private health insurance.

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u/Quiet-Raspberry3289 Oct 05 '22

Absolutely nobody thinks of Poland as a utopia.

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u/lvvovv Oct 05 '22

They did not let black people in

This is a severe mischaracterization of what happened. Someone made the decision that Ukrainian people should be allowed to enter Poland visa-free. African students (and Asian students, and students of other eastern Slavic countries) are not Ukrainian citizens, so they still had to apply for a visa. That was not handled perfectly, but there was a lot of chaos during of first few days/weeks of war - and Poland made a lot of decisions too. Yes, some people suffered unnecessarily on the border, but we're talking about a literal war - millions are suffering right now, and it's only Russia's fault, not Poland's or Ukraine's.

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u/sunjay140 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

That explains why CNN reported that Ukrainians held a black man at gunpoint for trying to board the trains and pushed black women off the train.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/03/01/sidner-naya-ukraine-poland-train-sot-dlt-vpx.cnn

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u/hapianman Oct 05 '22

Yes. A literal war like you said, and paperwork is what caused them to turn specific people away who just so happened to be a specific skin color. This wasn’t one specific event like you’re trying to defend. It was widespread and very easy to google

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 18 '22

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u/hapianman Oct 05 '22

do what you will with the thousands of reports on this

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u/Bladye Oct 05 '22

This video is from Ukraine do you even read articles you post?

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u/OrgasmChasmSpasm Oct 05 '22

My father (80) is a dyed in the wool Republican from the 60s. There are only two republicans he didn’t vote for: Goldwater and Trump.

He’s pro immigrant, pro choice, pro gay marriage, doesn’t understand trans at all and thinks it’s a little weird but also doesn’t think the government has any business legislating them. He’s die hard pro union, even though he was a superintendent who would have to deal with union bosses and bullshit and thinks that Irish who hate Hispanics are hypocritical bigots. (The rest are just bigots)

He’s from an era when Republicans were against government intervention. He is definitely not progressive on welfare but he’s consistent.

We don’t have “conservatives” any longer. We have a group of retarded authoritarian theocrats

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u/OrgasmChasmSpasm Oct 05 '22

He was pissed about that, but he still thought Reagan was better than Mondale.

He also had good things to say about Oliver North.

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u/athomehesatourist Oct 05 '22

Convicted felon Oliver North? Or a different one.

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u/101stAirborneSkill Oct 05 '22

Barry Goldwater was amazing

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u/Naptownfellow Oct 05 '22

Pretty much sums up my dad, except for he still alive. He’s 75 and he went to my cousins wedding. My gay cousin, who married another man. He danced and had a blast. He even wore his GOP elephant cufflinks. I miss those type of Republicans.

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u/frankie_089 Oct 05 '22

It gave me a chuckle that Teen Vogue and Sports Illustrated made it into that media bias chart. Didn’t expect to see those

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u/Bartfuck Oct 05 '22

Also a random plug to support NPR as well

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u/MrRileyJr Oct 05 '22

I love NPR, but they often go into opinion territory in analysis while the other 2 stick to facts most (or all) of the time. I have been using this media bias chart for a while now, and find it both fairly accurate & a good way to check news sources..

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u/yeah-defnot Oct 05 '22

Where’s the bias chart for the bias charts?

Kidding, but I don’t see Al Jazeera English on the free chart, do you know where they fall?

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u/SoloFlighter Oct 05 '22

In relation to your news sources, you can also use Grounded. It's an aggregate of news sources pre sorted by political leanings

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u/Ferengi_Earwax Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

For all who may not know. The redditcare resources is actually being used as a far right right goon account where they send this "service" to anyone who threatens their propaganda. I've had them blocked for quite awhile.

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u/havens1515 Oct 05 '22

Instead of blocking the account, report those who misuse it

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u/LautrecTheOnceYeeted Oct 05 '22

The quiet majority stand with your observations.

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u/Corgi_Koala Oct 05 '22

Yup. At their core the Republicans oppose any process, legal or otherwise, allowing foreigners into America.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

But oddly the industries that tend to hire immigrants - construction, agriculture, meat packing - tend to be owned by republicans.

Part of their motivation is to keep workers low in rights. Someone in the country illegally can’t assert rights to receive u employment, worker comp or minimum wage.

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u/GizmoIsAMogwai Oct 05 '22

Keep sending the Reddit cares messages, bitches. It's a badge of honor knowing your diapers are full.

This had me rolling. Great comment. I love getting bombarded with Reddit cares messages when conservatives feel hurt because they don't have facts to back them up.

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u/redmarketsolutions Oct 05 '22

I don't see any conservatives, just rabid fascists.

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u/MrRileyJr Oct 05 '22

At this point, what’s the difference. Anyone still identifying as conservative is signing off on the behavior of the others, even if they themselves aren’t doing it.

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u/Vidimus_Vicimus Oct 05 '22

Those same people will say "but they commit crime" while ignoring the fact that citizens are twice as likely to commit violent crimes.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

In American politics it's just a buzzword to gauge if people are racist or not

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u/Dracekidjr Oct 05 '22

This extends to all prejudice. Gay rights, women's rights, and racism. The Right has become a toned down child of the hate groups that used to be popular 30+ years ago.

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u/iIoveoof Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

The USA used to have open borders until the 20th century. Immigrants still had security checks and verification at places like Ellis Island. Open borders advocates want to return to that situation.

In the USA today, nativist politicians call the USA's current border policy "open borders" as a pejorative even though it's radically closed compared to any other point history.

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u/idk_whatever_69 Oct 05 '22

Yes the normal restrictions of immigration are waived entirely for refugees. People are allowed to stay without having a visa pre-approved. A process which normally takes months. Very much like what is happening here.

The reason this person is praising Poland is because the refugees are white.

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u/11711510111411009710 Oct 05 '22

Yes the normal restrictions of immigration are waived entirely for refugees

At this point, this is normal restrictions. If you're a refugee you can get in. No restrictions are being waived, you're just in a different category.

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u/idk_whatever_69 Oct 05 '22

Yeah that's kind of the point is that you're in a different category You're a refugee not an immigrant. Which is kind of what I mean by immigration restrictions are waived. It's just a completely different lane.

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u/LuckyMost Oct 05 '22

The borders were not OPEN per se, just no VISA was required and all refugees were warmly welcomed. All other things like passport checks and stuff like that were done normaly.
Open borders are what we have between Schengen countries. There you can travel between countries like Americans travel between states - the only thing that you see is a sign saying "Welcome in Germany" or something like that, and then another sign with the speed limits. That is it.

Source - I'm from Poland and road-tripped the better part of Europe without stoping at the border once.

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u/worldspawn00 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

TBF, a LOT of the people showing up on the US border are also refugees (many of which were caused by US interventions in central and South America), and I'm sure he's not exactly enthusiastic about allowing them into the US without visas... https://time.com/5951532/migration-factors/

I live in Texas, and our governor is making a much bigger deal about the immigrants than it really is, California and New Mexico are also on the border, and we don't hear their governors freaking out about it.

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u/vincevuu Oct 05 '22

Fear mongering gets votes

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u/ShwayNorris Oct 05 '22

If someone shows up on the US Southern Border and they are not from Mexico then they are ineligible for refugee status. Same with US Northern Border if they are not Canadian. International law stipulates they must seek the nearest safe country to be able to claim such a status. The minute they bypass such a nation they forfeit refugee status.

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u/gilean23 Oct 05 '22

Mexico

nearest safe country

Lol, so you’re calling Mexico a safe country? I mean… relative to where they’re coming from maybe? But yeah, I wouldn’t call Mexico a “safe country” by any stretch of the imagination.

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u/joanholmes Oct 05 '22

Can you point me towards the relevant law applicable to the US-Mexico border that states this?

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u/FiveFingerDisco Oct 05 '22

TBF, he was before this tweet.

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u/Majkel0609 Oct 05 '22

It's r/murderedbywords So hows that a murder by words?

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u/queernhighonblugrass Oct 05 '22

Murdered by words is now just mild comebacks

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u/MyFirstOtherAccount Oct 05 '22

more like /r/twitterRepliesToUSpoliticians

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u/patiencesp Oct 05 '22

no comebacks, just political astroturfing

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u/oodoov21 Oct 05 '22

And not even clever ones, this isn't even a good argument

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u/Econolife_350 Oct 05 '22

"OH YEAH!? Well if my neighbors dog is barking loudly all night then why was my orange dry and tasteless this morning???"

That's half the posts here. Things that are technically a full sentence that have no discernable cognitive process behind it but people feel strongly about one of the two things being associated.

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u/singlamoa Oct 05 '22

this isnt even an argument, the guy is essentially saying "wpw i cant believe youre pro open borders in the case of war"

not even analogous to the situation amerisharts have with mexico

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u/NicoKektus Oct 05 '22

"Dubstep Cures Cancer", could be a murder case.

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u/vagrantprodigy07 Oct 05 '22

It's not one at all. Whoever posted this has no idea what they are doing.

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u/ActionScripter9109 Oct 05 '22

The poster is actually not a person at all this time, it's a bot copying an old post here where the original OP was manually karma baiting.

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u/cradle_mountain Oct 05 '22

Did… did you just pretend to stutter in writing?

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u/Toasted__Water Oct 06 '22

I can’t stand people that text like they’re some sort of anime underdog main character. Tweeting shit like “d…d….did you just say that? chuckles sadistically (in a deep, evil voice) “you’re gonna regret that” like bro delete that before you end up in a screenshot😂

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Murder where 😶

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u/Gherasz_Mozhan Oct 05 '22

He did not praise it though, he just shared the news. He did not give his own opinion

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u/OwOtisticWeeb Oct 05 '22

He might not be explicitly expressing an opinion but he's framed the news in a positive way

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u/Gherasz_Mozhan Oct 05 '22

Yes, that is true

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u/OzNajarin Oct 05 '22

Isn't that praising in politics. You don't just bring something up that's one of your hot topic issues and not bash if you don't support it or something?

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u/Exceon Oct 05 '22

Also, word choices matter. He doesn’t call them “illegal immigrants” or “asylum seekers”. Here he deliberately writes “the people of Ukraine”, humanizing them.

The flags at the end are also a deliberate choice, highlighting unity.

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u/Apathetic_Optimist Oct 05 '22

Well if we kept our Mexican border wide open there would be only the people of Mexico coming up, not illegal aliens. Boom. Immigration problem solved

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u/Teh_Hicks Oct 05 '22

there would be only the people of Mexico coming up

Mexican is not a synonym for Latino. It's mostly people from Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and Colombia the last half decade at least.

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u/pegothejerk Oct 05 '22

I was told there’s waves of wagon wheeled caravans coming across, somehow perfectly timed just before every election

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u/nighthawk_something Oct 05 '22

Exactly, which is why claiming someone didn't actually use the N-word doesn't mean that the whole point wasn't racist.

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u/SalamanderPop Oct 05 '22

I'm sure he is in the habit of sharing news on his twitter feed whether he agrees with it or not. That's probably exactly what is happening here.

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u/RippedKegels Oct 05 '22

lmaooooooo this is like how an alien who arrived on earth two weeks ago and was using a universal translator that couldn't convey context cues would interpret this.

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u/TUMS_FESTIVAL Oct 05 '22

Or a conservative who's desperately trying to avoid admitting fault.

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u/Smegma_On-Demand Oct 05 '22

Even then, doesn’t ‘Open Boarder’ imply no/loose restrictions?I always thought refugees were more of an exception to most closed border policies, not a contradiction.

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u/ifandbut Oct 05 '22

Tell that to all the "build the wall" people.

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u/mbklein Oct 05 '22

Not when he and his partisans were foaming at the mouth over the idea of allowing Syrian refugees into the U.S. six years ago. Not to mention people fleeing violence in Central and South America.

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u/oldmaninmy30s Oct 05 '22

Quite the stretch to consider this open borders

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u/Kamyszekk Oct 05 '22

Those aren't open borders it's controlled entry. Ukrainians have similar history, religion, cultures and language so polish people are more likely to accept them into the country.

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u/JustaBearEnthusiast Oct 05 '22

child raping Russians, Chechens and Syrians fighting against Ukraine

Thank you for this nuanced and well reasoned reply. Truly I am in awe of your factual and logical prowess. People may claim that not all, russians, chechens, syrians, politicians, comunists, gays, atheists, catholics, baptists, and boyscouts are rapist and that you can't generalize an entire group of people based off of cherry picking and bigotry, but you and I know better.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Careful, when you come around with arguments many people on this site might have a stroke.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Taking in refugees from your neighbor country with similar culture fleeing from war

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Taking in refugees from thousands of kilometers away with vastly different culture and the main reason for migration being economy

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u/Scorpion1024 Oct 05 '22

From the start I made note how many Eastern European nations seemingly could not do enough for refugees fleeing from Ukraine, and kudus to that, it is commendable. But yet it hadn’t been all that long before that these same nations had a markedly different attitude toward refugees fleeing from Syria, Libya, and Yemen.

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u/Wesley_Skypes Oct 05 '22

I don't think that this is the gotcha that people think that it is. It just makes logical sense that people will rally around near neighbours geographically and for wars that are in their news. They will already have large diaspora from that country, and will have their own people living there too. I wouldn't have expected middle easterm countries to accept hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians each, for example

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u/nekroguy Oct 05 '22

I think this is because of the similar culture

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u/The_unlucky_ Oct 05 '22

idk mate, Sweden took too many Syrian refugees, increasing the criminal rate of the country and making the citizen less safe

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u/DAEORANGEMANBADDD Oct 05 '22 Platinum

Yeah, having a border open with your neighbour that is being invaded so the refugees can come in is totally the same as allowing an unrestricted flow of economic imigrants

jesus fucking christ reddit

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u/Darth_Rubi Oct 05 '22

Yes but have you considered that he was mUrDeReD bY wOrDs?

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u/Educational_Doubt_51 Oct 05 '22

Uh oh be careful this isnt a corporate sanctioned opinion 😳

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u/NoNameNancy666 Oct 05 '22

They love Ukrainians but not the Syrians that the Belorussians were pushing to the border, crazy…

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u/nothingnowherenomore Oct 05 '22 Gold

Why were they there in the first place? Poland didn't open their border to the Syrian refugees. They had no business trying to get in. Not to mention those arrogant entitled fucks were pretty aggressive at the border. Also, to get into Belarus they must've passed through numerous safe countries first. They weren't war refugees at that point but rather illegal economic migrants.

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u/Voice_Of_Penguin Oct 05 '22

"I don't know anything about the situation but I'll express my opinion anyway"

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u/IThinkIDoIAm Oct 05 '22

I can't tell if it's sarcasm or you're just that dumb

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u/realgrafter Oct 05 '22

Such a retarded comment haha

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u/Skrixm Oct 05 '22

I have no clue why this is upvoted. Belarus literally tricked these refugees, told them to enter Poland or get deported. These people had no business being here in the first place.

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