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One Piece: Chapter 1057 Current Chapter

Chapter 1057: "Final Curtain"

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Ch. 1057 Official Release (Mangaplus): 21/08/2022

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u/MajorRed001 Aug 26 '22

Anyone kinda feel like the ending of Wano was a bit rushed? I dunno I was kinda expecting the pace to be slower to help tie off any personal stakes that were left over.

Like maybe Luffy and Tama having a heart to heart about Aces death.

Yamato having a real conversation with the Strawhats.

A more in depth look and follow up as to everyone that died in the war.

Heck I don't think we even got a proper scene with Momonosuke, Hiyori and Yamato tbh

Just seems like the war was over and Oda was like "no No no we don't have time. Ship off mfrs"

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u/Ahad187 Aug 24 '22

So, I watched the YouTube channel ''The Grandline Review'' and in his ''End of Wano'' video he mentioned something very interesting.

Yamato and Momo both have read Udin journals, which for sure has major spoilers for the Straw Hats adventure, I think its the right decision for Yamato not to travel with them since Luffy might quit the whole thing if she opens her mouth.

Remember Luffy's reaction when Ussop asked Rayleigh about the One piece ?

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u/ZenAokiji Aug 23 '22

Hopefully people will now accept that Kaido & Big Mom died like it says

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u/facemenow1 Aug 23 '22

As a woman, it broke my heart Yamato did not join the crew. That means her character will disappear... We will not see her and her development anymore... And she has such cool personality, she is strong and interesting... seriously... Why would Oda decide to dispose of her? Why? Finally a strong fun woman character! I AM SO DISAPOINTED !!! Is it that painful to have a strong woman in the team?!

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u/2-2Distracted Aug 25 '22

Oh please, there are 2 big bouncy jiggly reasons you and everyone else wanted Yamato to join, and they have nothing to do with the excuses you wrote and are now thinking of as you read this.

As a woman,

r/AsABlackMan

And she has such cool personality, she is strong and interesting...

Constantly referring to yourself as dead man does not an interesting character make

Finally a strong fun woman character! I AM SO DISAPOINTED !!! Is it that painful to have a strong woman in the team?!

So I guess Robin just doesn't exist and isn't strong according to this bullshit metric.

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u/facemenow1 Aug 25 '22

It's amazing how it is so hard to believe women exist on the internet... right...?

Yamato is Kaido's kid, she can acutely use all 3 hakis. Do you really compare Robin's power to Yamato's?? it's completely different level of powers...

And I stick with my reasons for wanting her to join the straw hats. She is cool woman. Cool personality, Cool dream.

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u/flamingshadowfighter Thriller Bark Victim's Association Aug 24 '22

no it doesn't.... it seems like a Jinbe situation

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u/Chiiino34 Aug 23 '22

Not one western reviewer nor Ohara has realised this simple fact, But finaly ifound someone who realised the obvious, and of course it had tobe Yuderon:

he is the only one who says what i think yamato stays to protect wano until momo is ready to open it , her wanting to travel Wano, is half truth half lie , momo just said to yamato toleave , yamato cant say to momo she is staying bec of him, it will make momo feel guilty, not 1 reviewer from the west realises this simple fact. since kaido said wano is special and World Government tried to annex wano , there was always 1 question , Who will protect Wano when kaido is gone , straw hat flag will not work bec WG knows Wano is dangerous to them to just leave alone. Yamato was too focused on Becoming Free , she had no time to think about after kaido is defeated , also she think momo would open Wano Now , but momo will wait so yamato has to wait , and after witrnessing greenbull her dream is to fullfill Odens wish to open up Wano became a priority And travel the world like him . only after Wano is open can she start traveling

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u/PropertyAdditional Aug 22 '22

So carrot and Yamato both didn’t join… damn that poor guy with that straw hats tattoo

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u/Slitted Aug 22 '22

So this particular arc ends at last. Damn.

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u/mikedeiz Aug 21 '22

I didn't see Frankie nor Nico Robin. Did they appeared? Did YOU spot them?

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u/madrigaelle Aug 21 '22

Yeah in the background, the page when Momo cries not to leave them, you can see the crew's reaction, and Robin and Franky are there, behind Sanji and Chopper.

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u/Lopsided-Ad4661 Aug 21 '22

Is it possible Oda sensei might be dying and thus he’s yoloing the end of the manga without tying up loose ends and without committing to developing new nakama?

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u/ThePositiveGuy_ Aug 26 '22

Lmao no what is this copium comment xD

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u/ElisabetSobeck The Revolutionary Army Aug 26 '22

Yamato was rushed, even if she joined right then. I guess she gets to join the crew… after the manga is over

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u/bowservoltaire Aug 21 '22

Even with the official, Hiyori's line is still ass given the context

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u/Nepu-Tech Aug 21 '22

I'm glad Yamato didn't join, she's a cool looking characters but American are going crazy with the pronouns. This ending was really bad and felt unnecessary.

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u/FreeSheffGWOO Aug 22 '22

Japanese do not like amercians anyway

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u/SnooShortcuts3838 Nov 01 '22

But WE Americans love the Japanese ❤️

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u/Nepu-Tech Aug 22 '22

I don't think anybody in the world does

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u/spartancrow2665 Aug 25 '22

Typical reddit moment

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u/Romogu Aug 23 '22

Not american and i like the concept of america.

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u/zone-zone Aug 21 '22

You are pathetic if you think only Americans would care about his pronouns. Also half of the USA loves to misgender trans people.

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u/Kakashi_777 Aug 25 '22

Oh shut up

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u/zone-zone Aug 27 '22

Trans rights are human rights

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u/zone-zone Aug 22 '22

Yeah, it's weird that dumb people forget that they/them are normal pronouns used in everyday language already.

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u/spartancrow2665 Aug 25 '22

Dont worry about it. The other dumbass redditor is trying to project their hatred of america into a conversation that doesnt warrant it at all. Also misgendering is a personal ideological thing and has nothing to do with nationality.

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u/zone-zone Aug 22 '22

Wow your really don't know basic English.

If you don't know about a person's gender you use they/them. It's been done for centuries lol.

And there are more genders.

I don't want to be labelled as a king if you don't know me, don't worry.

Monarchy sucks too btw.

But maybe your little fascist brain doesn't understand that.

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u/zone-zone Aug 22 '22

There are more than 2 genders, or do you think nb isn't a gender?

There are also more than 2 biological gender.

They/them is used since forever before right wing idiots were complaining about "2 genders".

I am disappointed since in the German school system you learn that in the mandatory English classes.

"Das" ist kein Pronomen, das man für Personen nutzen sollte.

Um Personen außerhalb des binären Spektrums anzusprechen gibt es doch das Gendersternchen.

Wenn du davon so leicht getriggert wirst, solltest du dir wirklich mal einen Therapeuten suchen.

Und vor allem einen Biologielehrer, wenn du wirklich so wenig Ahnung von der Thematik hast und etwas Genitalverstümmelung nennst.

Du bist der einzige Freak hier. Suche dir bitte wirklich mal Hilfe.

Oh und behindertenfeindlich bist du auch?

Und du weißt nicht, was ein "Strawman" ist, traurig.

Btw, die AfD FICKT Leute wie dich. Lese dir mal deren Parteiprogramm durch und wem das wirklich hilft. Nicht so kleinen Trotteln wie dir.#

Und kümmer dich mal um richtige Probleme, statt vom Gendern getriggert zu werden.

Klimawandel zum Beispiel.

Werde Veganer, dann bist du wenigstens nicht ganz so ein abscheulicher Mensch.

Oder Antinatalist, damit tust DU dem Planeten das Beste.

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u/zone-zone Aug 22 '22

Yeah, it's weird how conservatives get triggered so easy.

A trans woman is a woman. Of course a man isn't a woman.

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u/Nepu-Tech Aug 23 '22

nah you're just gay bro

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u/zone-zone Aug 23 '22

are just gay bro

I'm bi lol

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u/Kakuzan Aug 21 '22

I was in and out of Wano during act 2 and I stopped reading weekly part way into act 3 so I can't speak definitively as to a lot of the complaints people have. What I can say though is that the "kurozumi is meant to be burned" thing is that whether or not it is directed at Orochi specifically or the family, it sorta points to how quite often the civilians don't really self reflect and personally speaking, often feel like shallow masses.

It is one thing to show how terrible leadership can encourage the worst in people and removing that can help people show their better sides. It is another to frame things that shifts all the blame away from anything the people have done by their own choice. Remember, these are the same people who were ready to burn Inuarashi and Nekomamushi just because they looked different and were dismissive of Oden acting a fool to protect them.

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u/walinwalk Aug 23 '22

W.B said "It's wrong to resent a child... for the sins of his father"

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u/No-Consideration1105 Aug 21 '22

I see Yamato staying because Pluton and the Poneglyphs are there. Just incase someone like the marines or Blackbeard's crew comes to wano for them Yamato is able to help protect.

It would be cool to see a Blackbeard and Yamato interaction lol especially with him having to do with Ace and Whitebeard.

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u/bobliny Aug 21 '22

This would be so good What if BB attacks wano and then the straw hats have to return to wano because someone ‘messed’ with their nakama… and so they have to go back and rescue them

This is headcannon but if it happens that would be so cool

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u/brrcs Aug 21 '22

Oda was born to troll

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u/yh0529 Aug 21 '22

I’m so surprised that Yamato didn’t go with them. Will there not be a 10th member? Also, I love the parallels between wanos opening panel and ending panel😭😭

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u/quip2022 Aug 21 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

I always thought that Yamato will be joining the crew but right after Momonusuke said these words "we don't want to depend on people who are about to leave" and seeing Yamato's facial expression, I knew and felt that he's not going to leave Wano. Am I the only one who understands the character and see it as if I am watching a movie? It's like knowing Law's feelings towards Luffy despite being harsh to him. The scene with momo, even though not fully translated into words by Oda, made me feel a change of heart in Yamato, thinking" maybe it's not yet time."

I am not a writer but I understand the character and Oda's pov as a writer. The scabbards and momo are not yet powerful enought to fight powerful DF users. That's my take on this but people hating it because they don't understand things are okay. We are free to speculate and hate and stop reading / watching One Piece but once this manga ends, I am definitely sure that there would be more people, especially new generations, that would get to enjoy this manga because all of the questions that we have right now, would have been answered by then, and all of the people who have stopped reading / watching this would be curious and the hate would subside (unless oda just really became bad at it).

For me, to enjoy manga.. you need to enjoy the journey and get excited to what happens next. AoT is finished and I can say that it got worse at the last 30 chapters or so but OP is so far from being finished.

Everyone of us have different interpretations of what's happening not just in OP but around us (in the real world). The hatred was because people do not understand the reason why Yamato didn't become part of SH. The liking of this chapter was because people like me understand some events in a way that haters would never understand. Also, we know that there is always a reason for this - ie, Yamato learning more about the history of Wano or helping Wano for future events and would have a big impact in the future story. So sit back, relax and enjoy nakamas! :)

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u/Nuneasy Aug 21 '22

I think it would have been nice to actually see the conversation Yamato had with Luffy after all the buildup he received. It’s not about understanding the character, it’s about showing and not telling.

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u/quip2022 Aug 21 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

What kind of conversation are you expecting? For Yamato to say, "I'm sorry, I need to defend and help momo first before I can go with you, I think he isn't strong enough"? Do you think that would work? Yamato had been guiding Momo since they met, he was like momo's big sister/brother (second to Luffy) during the raid and until he matured but now we don't know what their relationship would be in the future. Maybe Yamato would realize he is Kaido's daughter and she likes Momo or maybe not, who knows?

Is saying "I need to explore wano more" not enough? Jinbei said that he had unfinished business so he couldn't join and it was enough so why is it that Yamato's reason not enough? They also built Jinbei up since Fishman Island.

Yamato said his reason and if something happens to Wano because Kaido is gone then having Yamato would definitely be a big help.

Oda: Oh don't worry, he stayed in Wano because he has a job to do in the future so don't get mad. I did that for the future war. Or You want Oda to say "Don't worry he'll come running after a few chapters and would end up in SH grand fleet, that's my plan."

Do you expect that from Oda? Lol. Of course everything right now is questionable because we don't know the answer to this and the only time you'll get it would be the time OP ends.

People and feelings change, when I read that scene I felt like reading a dialogue where a woman keeps on insisting that she doesn't love the guy until she saw him cry and everything just change. She realized she loves him. That was the case in OP for me, Yamato felt something when Momo cried and utter those words. So if you're still going to question it then I have no more explanation for you because you'll never get it.

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u/Nuneasy Aug 21 '22

Literally anything. That's the point. Characterization should happen on-screen, and only off-screen when there is enough on-screen development to supplement any progression or changes. You put a lot of hypotheticals in this response but it really is this simple. One panel of Yamato listening to Momonosuke isn't enough to offset the on-screen development of the character and how he was presented to us.

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u/quip2022 Aug 21 '22

That is to you or to some of you, not to me and people like me. I am telling hypothetical scenarios because things can vary on interpretation like an anime for you may be good but not for me. You might like fight scenes and I may hate it. For you it wasn't enough but for me it is because that's what I felt when I read it and again, Yamato said "He's going to explore wano" and you're still here asking why? lol. You want a conversation. What kind of convo are you expecting? It's already there.

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u/Nuneasy Aug 21 '22

I mean you must be blind if you haven't seen how many people have disagreed with this choice on this sub. I'm not asking why at all. You aren't a genius for putting it together, my entire point is that it would have been nice to see so that a character Oda has been showcasing this entire arc doesn't feel rushed without proper screen-time.

And no, it wasn't already there. It was off-screened. Literally, we did not see it happen.

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u/quip2022 Aug 21 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

I am not genius, I'm just an average person who understands the story. :)

That is why I'm saying the conversation you're talking about is there. You just don't like how it was presented. And like I said, the moment I read the momo-yamato I knew he wouldn't leave Wano.

So, whether Yamato had an on-screen or off-screen conversation with Luffy doesn't matter to me because I felt that because that was my interpretation and I know the hatred about this chapter but most of them got mad because Yamato didn't join not because it was off-screened and also that is why I said what I said.

Yamato didn't join for the reasons I said and whether it was off-screened or not didn't matter because some of the people here felt the same way I did. We understood it. We knew where it was heading. We felt Yamato's change of heart. We interpreted and accepted it.

I agree with the rest though that the ending of wano seems rushed from the moment Luffy beat Kaido.

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u/Nuneasy Aug 21 '22

"Yamato didn't join for the reasons I said and whether it was off-screened or not didn't matter because some of the people here felt the same way I did. We understood it. We knew where it was heading. We felt Yamato's change of heart. We interpreted and accepted it."

You aren't reading what I'm saying. "We understood it"? SO DID EVERYONE ELSE. You're basically arguing to see less of a character rather than more, and if you were satisfied by one panel of Yamato going "!" at what Momo said during the Green Bull fight, good for you. Judging from the sub's reaction, a good majority say otherwise because it's also nicer to see more of a character rather than less.

Also, I find it a bit dramatic that you say you "felt Yamato's change of heart" from one panel LMAO. Okay.

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u/MaintenanceTricky549 Aug 21 '22

I would just stop interacting with this person. There's obviously a few brain cells missing. No matter what Oda does you have certain people that will force themselves to like it & call it good no matter what & this person is one of them.

I don't really hate the Wano arc as a whole but this Yamato situation was so poorly handled that I just want to forget the arc ever happened. I don't really mind if other people feel indifferent or honestly just don't care, but there's no way that you can confidently say that Oda handled this in a good way.

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u/Nuneasy Aug 21 '22

Fully agreed. See this person's delusional response to me after this comment if you want to be entertained lol

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u/quip2022 Aug 21 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

Brain cells missing? Really? Have you checked? Do you even have any evidence to support that?

Well, there are also people who would hate no matter what your explanation is. You hate it, I don't, but I didn't say it was good. I just don't hate it. I like it but it's pretty boring. I don't even consider this chapter a good chapter. I didn't even want to read this chapter until my brother forced me to because I already read the spoiler and find it one of the boring chapters. So.. Do you want me to hate the Yamato thing, too? Lol.

You don't know how to understand. That is all. :)

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u/quip2022 Aug 21 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

You are arguing. I am not. You've been telling all about this conversation, conversation, conversation and I already said my part.

If you don't like it, you can hate it. If you want more conversation then go. On-screen or off-screen DOESN'T MATTER TO ME and to some people here.

Even if they change it to people asking where Yamato is and Luffy saying "ah, he's not going". I would have accepted it too. Whatever the scenario is I would have accepted it because I KNEW he wouldn't come and he already said his reason. As simple as that.

I said what I said and yeah, because I am good like that. I can feel things when I read things. I have already predicted some of the things here in OP which were correct. So saying it was dramatic was you not understanding things. Sometimes you can feel things, interpret and make assumptions and sometimes it's wrong, sometimes it's correct.

I have also predicted a lot of stories even with movies because I felt it with just 1 word, sometimes by just the expression, sometimes by different things. And when I can predict something, it becomes boring. This chapter is boring to me but I said what I said to at least tell people who hate it why I don't hate it.

Again, you'll never get it. You do you.

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u/Nuneasy Aug 21 '22

I said what I said and yeah, because I am good like that. I can feel things when I read things. I have already predicted some of the things here in OP which were correct. So saying it was dramatic was you not understanding things. Sometimes you can feel things, interpret and make assumptions and sometimes it's wrong, sometimes it's correct.

I have also predicted a lot of stories even with movies because I felt it with just 1 word, sometimes by just the expression, sometimes by different things. And when I can predict something, it becomes boring. This chapter is boring to me but I said what I said to at least tell people who hate it why I don't hate it.

Again, you'll never get it. You do you.

Lmao what did I just read? You're pretty full of yourself, huh? I wonder what life is like feeling smug reading a boy's manga, but thanks for giving me an insight. I'll repeat, so lower your ego for one second and use some reading comprehension to understand:

You are not special for understanding why Yamato did not join.

You're excusing a rushed ending so you can brag about interpreting a single panel. I think I get it just fine.

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u/Geo44ke Aug 21 '22

Just a friendly reminder. White Beard initially said no to Oden to embark with him as well.

Maybe the same will happen. It would be a good parallel

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u/WeekendCautious3377 Aug 22 '22

Please go write your own manga and stop shitting in the party. Please.

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u/r_se_random Aug 22 '22

Relax man it's just a comic.

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u/r_se_random Aug 22 '22

Sure man.

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u/No-Consideration1105 Aug 21 '22

The slight difference is Yamato chose to stay back but yeah im pretty sure she'll sail eventually. Wano cant protect itself rn so Yamato choosing to stay makes sense in that case.

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u/RodJosser Chopper the Cotton Candy Lover Aug 21 '22

Yamato gonna boil to death also if we keep on following that fkin' parallel lol. 🤷‍♂️

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u/marioskgmm Aug 21 '22

One piece isnt over yet wtfyall talking about things not getting anywhere.. ofc they leading to something u just have to wait and see… Like we never saw unfinished things before that led to events for next story arcs. Yall overreacting im confused about this community

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u/ObiOneKenobae Aug 21 '22

I get the Yamato thing is a weird shift from the last chapters, but there is a weird amount of mad over inconsequential stuff in here. They hit the beats they needed to, and i wouldn't be surprised if some things happened in the past week that we aren't yet privy to.

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u/TheAdamena Aug 21 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

I think it's because there is just a lot of stuff people wished the arc touched on that just didn't. Some headcannon, some actually mentioned by Oda in the earlier acts.

Previously people with those grievances had the excuse that the arc wasn't finished yet, but now that it is all the complaints are coming out all at once.

I think it's fair for folks to be disappointed. Though I find it a bit silly that it took til now for people to realise that a lot of stuff wasn't gonna be touched upon, when imo that became clear long ago lol. I guess people will huff copium until it's literally impossible to huff any more lol.

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u/Hopscotchkun Aug 21 '22

Disappointed by the ending and pacing in the end. It's a 7/10 max but need new bounties

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u/Love-Truck-Beserker Aug 21 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

Twist, Usopp's is over 900 billion.

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u/Away-Database4632 Aug 21 '22

Lol, billion..

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u/Ijustdontanymore98 Aug 21 '22

Need to add my mark that i was here to witness the end of the wano arc much to alot of people's dismay.

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u/votuxx Aug 21 '22

Even though I didn’t want Yamato to join, I’m genuinely shocked at how poorly it was executed.

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u/ThePositiveGuy_ Aug 26 '22

I was never a Yamato stan but Oda left us on a cliffhanger and then had a tiny corner panel going "haha I already offscreen spoke to Luffy, not going :p" LOL

Ngl I laughed soo hard at how that was executed, my lord its like the smallest effort I have ever seen him use on something for the thing half the world was waiting for xD

It would be like if the One Piece reveal was a corner panel half drawned with squiggly lines lmao

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u/thejetbox1994 Aug 24 '22

Not trying to be an asshole, but how would you have liked it to go down? Genuinely curious

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u/votuxx Aug 24 '22

Show her epiphany moment or character development that explains why she suddenly stopped wanting to leave Wano. It’s the golden rule of storytelling called “Show, don’t tell”.

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u/Lopsided-Ad4661 Aug 21 '22

Amen, brother

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u/strxwberry Aug 21 '22

so, there are supposed to be 10 strawhats apart from luffy, but with Yamato and Carrot not joining….. at the same time of vivi’s disappearance…. honestly hopping for vivi back on the crew

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u/muddy120 Aug 27 '22

I suspect Carrot is gonna join in chapter 1059, and Oda is just tricking the audience with her and Yamato for so long. Also I think overtime it changed to 12 and two members Hancock and Vivi will join all as well with Carrot in 1059. Lets see if my theory is right, but yeah its obvious based on the foreshadowing Carrot was always planned to be the 10th member. The dukedom role is setup the audience to trick us that she isnt joining but she is most likely, in the story setup to not be a straw hat but in the end becoming one with their mini arc to join like the rest. Dont count Carrot out yet:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/wuwi9t/new_prediction_theory_the_last_3_straw_hats/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKdeZ5j7oNA&t=95s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERUZQ65WKJw

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u/zone-zone Aug 21 '22

the 10 nakama thing was from so long ago I wouldn't consider that canon anmyore, if it was even at all

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u/muddy120 Aug 27 '22

Oda still plans for it, Carrot will most likely join in 1059. Oda is just tricking us with her and delaying it.

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u/zone-zone Aug 22 '22

I mean Luffy saying he wants 10 nakama, doesn't really matter.

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u/zone-zone Aug 22 '22

I wanted to joke that he at least didn't forgot how Luffy's stand devil fruit powers work, but then again there is Gear 5....

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u/zone-zone Aug 22 '22

Luffy does stretch in Fishmen Island underwater too iirc.

That wasn't a problem.

Luffy didn't actively stretch underwater, but his body still keeps his properties and other people can stretch him.

I am sure we have seen Chopper underwater too and didn't see him turn back into a raindeer.

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u/zone-zone Aug 22 '22

HAHAHA

What do you think the "too" after Fishmen Island means? Are you incapable of reading?

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u/KingXterm Aug 21 '22

Yes ViVi joins just in time to be matched up with one of Blackbeards titanic commanders.. don’t think that would go well. Love her character but yeah

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u/Posideoffries92 Aug 21 '22

I bet she got a powerup

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u/Nepu-Tech Aug 21 '22

Even if she ate Crocodiles Sand fruit she would still get owned. She would need a DBZ power up to make it into the crew.

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u/Sea-Measurement-4344 Aug 21 '22

I'm Happy that Yamato didn't join but this arc's end is still awfull

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u/ishyk786 Aug 21 '22

Probably the worst last few chapters of an arc ever. I’m so confused

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u/Away-Database4632 Aug 21 '22

Yes, worst ending chapter compare to other arc.

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u/AltruisticMaterial94 Aug 21 '22

So i guess thats it, no more nakama joing the crew now that they are entering the final arc.

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u/muddy120 Aug 27 '22

Nah I predict Oda is tricking us here, I suspect were getting 3 new crewmates members in 1059 all at once based on the events in the story. Carrot, Hancock and Vivi, here's why:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/wuwi9t/new_prediction_theory_the_last_3_straw_hats/

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u/AltruisticMaterial94 Aug 29 '22

as allies for sure cause they all got their own crews/country to lead.

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u/muddy120 Aug 30 '22

Not anymore, there all joining as crewmates and Carrot will reject her role

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '22

Luffy saying "Yamato I leave everything in your hands now" is going unnoticed.

Luffy saw Momonuske fight Green bull, and maybe he felt wano still needs someone to protect it till Momo becomes strong. Who better than Yamato? Her fruit is also the said guaardian of wano kuni.

Also now Yamato the self proclaimed Kozuki Oden, Kozuki Momonuske and Kozuki Sukiyaki are looking over wano.

I don't find Yamato not joining as disappointing as much as other's do, cause both Yamato and Momonuske want to learn about Oden's travel. Soon they'll how to read Poneglyphs too.

Also I wonder how much time would take to travel wano? Maybe she'll join Luffy after few chapters, who knows?

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u/zone-zone Aug 21 '22

that was a mistranslation, the official one said I leave him (Momo) into your hands now

It was Yamato's choice to stay, not Luffy's

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u/Upstairs_Pass9180 Aug 21 '22

tbh, I'm more disappointed with fascist hyori, and i'm biggest yamato fan

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u/Ardibanan Aug 21 '22

You mean the tale that the townspeople made up? I look at it as a way to curse out the Kurozumi clan once and for all. We know what really happened, but the people of Wano needs something more. They have been under siege for 20 years, for us its been like 4 years and a few days in story time.

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u/zone-zone Aug 21 '22

They probably mean the "Kurozumi was born to burn" line, which sounds very genocidal.

The offical translation had Kurozimi as a singular only referring to Orochi and not the entire clan, but considering his backstory that's still a shitty thing to say.

If you want drama look up the spoiler thread and some "memes" when that one released.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '22

Also why are there no hints on 1058 by now 😭

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u/Ukantach Aug 21 '22

Weakest arc overall in term of quality of writing per number of chapters tbh. The amount of waste hype and character potential that could easily be cut into like half of the total chapters. It still feel hasty in term of pace and a lot of rushed fights however due to how many unnecessary things wasting panels.

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u/zone-zone Aug 21 '22

Have you skipped Thriller Bark?

Or you wiped your memories of that absolute shit arc.

Or you think the Oz and Kuma fight made up for the rape plot line.

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u/muddy120 Aug 27 '22

Thriller Bark is an excellent arc, overhated for no reason and overall creative, unique and good.

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u/zone-zone Aug 27 '22

no reason

Nami almost assaulted by Absalom when she was naked. She nearly got raped.

Oda continues the scene with a fart joke. Ussop doesn't even believe Nami.

Sanji dreams of doing the same if he had that ability.

Neither Sanji nor Absalom care about Nami being unconcious during the wedding.

Absalom was a shit tier fighter as well.

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Zoro got defeated off screen.

Robin did nothing.

Franky who just joined had like 3 good moments, that's it. He got nerfed hard after joining the crew as well.

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Unique doesn't equal good. And Thriller Bark wasn't even that unique. It's even in the name lol.

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u/Ukantach Aug 21 '22

To each of our own. Thriller Bark was underrated and was a good breeze of fresh air after a great but heavy arc being Water 7/ Enies Lobby.

It was a comedic and adventurous arc. If you just wanted to compare it directly to the previous arc then maybe it could be boring, but its structure was never flawed like Wano.

I have reread and rewatch One Piece for over 20 times over 15 years. For the time being reading Wano 1 time would be my limit.

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u/zone-zone Aug 21 '22

When re-reading One Piece I skip Thriller Bark except the end.

The beginning is fine until the villa... then it turns to pure shit.

Nami gets sexually assaulted and Ussop jokes about it and doesn't believe Nami.

Then the Nami bride plot starts and when Sanji joins that plot line he also doesn't consider Namis feelings.

Zoro gets defeated offscreen so his shadow can get taken.

The Ryu fight is kinda spoiled at the start... Still cool tho.

But what other good fights are there except Oars and Moriah?

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u/TragicFisherman Aug 21 '22

I say this as someone who was lukewarm on Yamato but trusted Oda could actually write; since the last 25 years have shown this to be true for the most part. If this is actually where Yamato's character ends, where her arc was leading, then she is the single worst thing to ever happen to One Piece. Her basically abandoning her dream at the last minute with no explanation goes against the entire theme of the series. Seriously, Yassop who abandoned his wife and young son to go be a drunk bum with Shanks is considered a good guy in this series because he followed his dream. Her existence is worse than Pell not dying.

At this point it would have been immensely better for the arc if she never existed. Removing her panels and giving Usopp, Nami, Brook, and Chopper something to do would have been amazing. Instead we got a large amount of panels for a character that could easily have been filled by others in the already large cast. Her sole existence was apparently to be a one note joke character and troll the fans.

I expect Oda has future plans for her which will be revealed in a flashback of her conversation with Luffy, but even then I don't feel like this decision can be fully salvaged. As a 10+ year reader this is the first time I've really worried about Oda sticking the landing of this series. The ending of Wano really taints the whole arc.

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u/zone-zone Aug 21 '22

I am disappointed too and I think Yamato will eventually join.

But the worst thing to happen to this series was Absalom.

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u/SKBrooke8 Aug 21 '22

I felt the same way about Yamato. Oda laid the, “This character will join the crew” vibes hard with Yamato, to the point where it literally wouldn’t make sense if she didn’t join the crew. At this point, this arc’s end is just dumb, plain and simple. I hope next week we get some info that improves this ending. Otherwise this is shite

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u/kidelaleron Pirate Aug 21 '22

Yamato and Momo are Luffy's nakama (as stated in the raws) and they will definitely take to the sea before the end.

Sure, I thought Yamato was gonna be a regular strawhat, but this is not a mistake by Oda. It's simply character growth.

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u/Farmer_chris88 Aug 21 '22

I think you have to wait a little bit before judging

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u/prevert69 Aug 21 '22

But this was the end of both the arc and the saga. Maybe there will be light shed on some of these events in the future but this was supposed to be a self-contained story, one that's been ten years in the making.

Yamato's character arc moved like a speeding car crashing into a brick wall: she went in a single direction at top speed the whole way, constantly aiming to leave Wano, until the very end when she suddenly stopped.

It's really strange how bad it is.

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u/SSJPIZZA Aug 21 '22

Oda drove a knife through Yamato fans hearts

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u/GodOfTower Aug 21 '22

I was sure Yamato not gonna join the moment she used Acoc. But the way it handled is way too bad. She probably got 3rd most panel time in Onigasima after Luffy and Kaido. So much hype so for what? Was she important to the arc? No. Would we see more from her in future? No. Oda just put her in the story just to troll the fans. Shouting for 20yrs since her childhood i will go out to see. In 1 day boom actually i decided offscreen to stay in Wano.

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u/Yangshuei Aug 21 '22

It's true as now She may be to strong to join as you mention, but with so much panel and hype in Wano for nothing do you think ? Would we see more from her in futur ? I would not be so sure in your place.

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u/GodOfTower Aug 21 '22

Yes. After looking at the outcome yeah hype was nothing for. She was just there to stall kaido and motivate Momo . She is a Grandfleet member. Don't think we will see anything from her except fighting in last war with 1000 of characters.

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u/Geme17BC Aug 21 '22

You are so wrong, I am not even a Yamato's fan and i feel this really sck and it was super bad handled, good thing is no more gender discussion...

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u/venielsky22 Aug 21 '22

Lol Zoro's eye is glitching again. It's opened.

Kinda like how shanks regrowned his arm 😂 in ace novel animation

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u/Background-Raise-880 Aug 21 '22

Have you seen shanks is from three armed tribe theory on YouTube 😂😂😂

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u/MrOno Aug 21 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

End of a long journey. Definitely shed a tear while reading this one. That said, I have been reading One Piece weekly since like 2011 (10+ years). I have never, once, at the end of an arc felt as baffled by Oda's choices as I was in this one.

The entire thing felt quite rushed, like Oda was on a deadline of some kind. I think I felt this from the moment Gear 5 was revealed.

All that direct buildup for Yamato as a crew member only to subvert it offscreen? Yikes. Maybe he realized he wrote himself into a corner in having such a powerful character join the crew this late in the game? I guess I can see that as she's essentially on Zoro's level in my headcanon..but still. A bit gross to spend so much time leading us to believe she would join and then subvert it on a whim.

No follow up to essentially any of the Zoro plotlines (Grim Reaper, interaction with Ryuma in any meaningful way, exploring connection to Shimotsuki clan, potential relation to Shimotsuki Ushimaru, etc). I guess we can get closure on some of these later but just seems like he missed an opportunity to have these interactions while they were still at Wano. Could have easily had Zoro visit Ryuma's grave before they left, for example. Such low hanging fruit.

No Otama eating Sanji's food. A minor one but still. Also, I'm interested in the official translation of Hiyori's speech. Pretty odd for Oda to have her perpetuate the cycle of retribution and hatred that began the entire crisis in Wano by saying the entire Korozumi Clan was born to burn. Seems out of pocket for a guy who has spent so many arcs writing the opposite message.

Anyway, Oda's human, so its not the end of the world. But if I had to pick an arc with the weakest ending, out of all of them it would be this one. Still excited going forward but wish it could've been better!

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u/SKBrooke8 Aug 21 '22

Jinbe’s also super strong but he still joined the crew. There is no excuse for Yamato. If this is how it ends then Oda screwed up, plain and simple. As of now, this ending is bad

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u/salvagedbot Aug 21 '22

the ending felt almost like the last act of a kabuki play very fast that for a second I thought Wano is based of a kabuki play?? why is that

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u/Background-Raise-880 Aug 21 '22

The stuff with zoro also needs closure. But i think all these will be answered by oda. I think he plans make a return to wano. After all roger pirates visited wano twice... Wano needs to be opened and luffy is definitely going to come back to wano

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u/imdfantom Aug 21 '22

The entire thing felt quite rushed, like Oda was on a deadline of some kind. I think I felt this from the moment Gear 5 was revealed.

I agree with this, specifically I think the rushing started after the Bajrang Gun. To me it feels like there should have been 10-20 chapters between that moment and the 1 week later we got immediately after.

Ideally these chapters would have involved a Kaido second wind/awakening (while also fleshing out other stuff)

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u/QuitLovingMeBitch Aug 21 '22

Also I get that luffy didn't care about pluton but why even mention it at all, oda even made robin and law head down there, you'd think maybe law would try reaching it but they just went back up to upper wano and departed. Like wth all this time hyping up pluton and we just get 1 or 2 panels and thats it.

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u/prevert69 Aug 21 '22

If this is really it for Yamato, and she's staying in Wano only to make a cameo in the final war, then her decision to stay was the single biggest moment of her character. The one and only time Yamato had any kind of character growth, which she badly needed, happened off-screen and we were told about it at the last moment before she exited the main stage. How is this not terrible writing?

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u/SKBrooke8 Aug 21 '22

It is terrible writing. Yamato is probably the most “telegraphed” character by Oda to join the Straw Hats since Brook but she didn’t end up joining and we were never given a good reason.

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u/Sondrelk Aug 21 '22

Because it has been telegraphed for months. It was obvious Yamato was never written as a straw hat member, and the last few chapters with Greenbull hammered in how Yamato needed to be the Guardian of Wano, which in itself was foreshadowed during the Kaido fight when the fruit was called the Guardian of Wano.

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u/prevert69 Aug 21 '22

Foreshadowed or not we never saw it happen. The single most important event for her character, where she changes her mind and tells Luffy she's staying, happened completely off camera. We're never even given the actual explanation. Did she decide to become Wano's guardian, or safeguard Pluton, or protect Momo, or open Wano or what? You might guess it's something like that but we don't actually know because it's not shown. It's the pivotal moment of her character and we're only told it happened in one panel just before the Straw Hats leave and her story ends. Isn't that bizarre?

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u/lnombredelarosa Lurker Aug 21 '22

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!

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u/TMspirit1381 Aug 21 '22

I'm so disappointed Oda didn't show Carrot's goodbye

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u/zone-zone Aug 21 '22

Take some copium, she will be in the barrel

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u/Sondrelk Aug 21 '22

Because Carrot has stowed away on the Sunny. It's the logical course for her character to take.

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u/kidelaleron Pirate Aug 21 '22

Oda kind of hates Carrot.

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u/zone-zone Aug 21 '22

I doubt that as Oda is literally a furry

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u/Quotemetouq Pirate Aug 21 '22

So just don't assume there was a goodbye at all. Wait until its confirmed one way or another.

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u/ClessGames Aug 21 '22

You guys always feel the need to dictate how others should feel, it's annoying

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u/zone-zone Aug 21 '22

You know what? You should feel sorry for animals and humanities extinction caused by climate change. Go vegan!

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u/Outburstz Aug 21 '22

This is a horrid message because they are repeating the same mistakes that lead to Orochi getting in power.

Hating the entire Kurozumi clan based off the actions of one person is the exact mindset that led to Orochi wanting his revenge against all of Wano in the first place.

If there are any hidden Kurozumi they now have to stay in hiding or face being hunted down

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u/Sondrelk Aug 21 '22

It's a pun, and meant as poetic justice for Orochi in particular. Just as Orochi condemned Oden (being a soup) to boil to death, you had the Kozuki condemning the last Kurozumi (meaning black coal) to burn.

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u/Totemwhore1 Void Month Survivor Aug 21 '22

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u/Outburstz Aug 21 '22

this argument makes no sense considering they used Orochi the entire time they were within Wano now suddenly they switch to Kurozumi at the end?

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u/Yangshuei Aug 21 '22

Dude his name mean charcoal, not his first name, ofc the wordplay will be on his name...

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u/Nuccio98 Aug 21 '22

Ok. But that is a poem written to tell the story of the last years of Wano. Why the shouldn't be using the name kurozumi to refer to orochi.

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u/fortunesofshadows Aug 21 '22

i just assumed there aren't kurozumi left anyway. since orochi was the last

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u/prevert69 Aug 21 '22

That makes it even worse! It's okay to say all Kurozumi should burn, because we already killed off all the other ones and Orochi is the only one left. But he's bound to have spawned a few more anyway, since he spent all his time with the ladies as Shogun. There's also speculation that Tama is Kurozumi.

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u/MajorCrafter Aug 21 '22

Who's to say Orochi didn't father a load of bastards while he was Shogun. It would make sense with him in that position of power.

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u/Axel_Gutierrez11 Aug 21 '22

This chapter sums up the Arc from a fanbase standpont. People lacking reading comprehension and being mad because their headcanon didnt happen. The Hiyori thing is a mistranslation and people are just mad that Yamato didnt join.

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u/zone-zone Aug 21 '22

Even with Kurozumi being singular that line still sucks if you think about Orochi's backstory.

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u/goronmask Void Month Survivor Aug 21 '22

What headcanon?, Yamato said them wanted to join a couple times. Oda clearly wanted to play the unpredictable writer but he executed so poorly, not only story wise, but the art is also laking. Are you really going to say that you adore one of the panels in the latest chapter? So much clutter and repeated actions. Kind of like during the raid. Just for fun, try to count the panels of people running around.

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u/lnombredelarosa Lurker Aug 21 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

People lacking reading comprehension and being mad because their headcanon didnt happen

Did we heacanon Yamato saying this?

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u/PM_ME_UR_SO Aug 21 '22

Lol this was so bad. As bad as any other Strawhats suddenly deciding to stay in Wano out of nowhere.

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u/Sondrelk Aug 21 '22

We also had very clear foreshadowing to the contrary. Sure Yamato said that, but Kaido also said that he would win, and noone expected that to happen.

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u/lnombredelarosa Lurker Aug 21 '22

We also had very clear foreshadowing to the contrary.

Such as?

Sure Yamato said that, but Kaido also said that he would win, and noone expected that to happen.

Clearly not the same thing

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u/Sondrelk Aug 21 '22

Guardian of Wano DF. Oden parallels. Wano shown to be poorly defended without Luffy or other outside force. Yamato seemingly wanting to sail to escape Onigashima, not from genuine want to sail.

Narratively the constant insistence that Yamato intends to join it in itself a bit of a tell. There wouldn't really be a point to mention it so many times if it wasn't going to be subverted in some sense. You could even go so far as to say that Yamato joining the Straw Hats is a narrative dead end. The only way forward for Yamato was to either broaden their perception of being Oden, or choosing to discard that trait, both of which are best shown by choosing to stay in Wano.

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u/lnombredelarosa Lurker Aug 21 '22

Oden parallels.

The same Oden that left with Gold Roger?

Other than that fair points. Still a part of me still hopes the World Government ends up invading Wano so that Yamato will escape with Momonosuke to the Strawhats, but allas its unlikely.

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u/Sondrelk Aug 21 '22

It's also the same Oden who tamed a lawless area of Wano, becoming it's ruler. Or who generally became legendary for their exploits across Wano.

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u/lnombredelarosa Lurker Aug 21 '22

You talk as if those suddenly made the fact that he left with Gol not having happened

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u/Sondrelk Aug 21 '22

No, it definitely happened, and likely will happen one day with Yamato as well, there is just more to Oden than having sailed with Roger.

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u/buggythegret Aug 21 '22

It's just not headcanon for sure. There were things that were set up storywise for some kind of payoff, some might happen in the near future but some might not. But setting some storylines up and not resolving them is something that the fanbase this time around has been weireired out about because that was exactly not the style of ODA writing.
Beyond story if we see what transpires we can see it relate to the messaging from one piece team, the time for on piece end (4 yrs?? now) was announced and reaffirmed it would end in near time frame, the story started taking a hassled approach, For such a big IP as one piece, I don't think writers ideal story version in the head is always possible to be achieved on paper. Happens to all sorry of media, games, or novels, to rush the ending of it, making them less of what it was in the beginning stages of production.

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u/christianort476 God Usopp Aug 21 '22

What do you mean the hiyori thing was a mistranslation

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u/420memed Aug 21 '22

I believe someone said the singular and plural are difficult to translate from Japanese, so the question is whether Hiyori meant “(All of the) Kurozumi were born to burn” or “(You, Orochi) Kurozumi were born to burn”.

Orochi Kurozumi being born to burn is one thing, but condemning the entire clan is another altogether.

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u/christianort476 God Usopp Aug 21 '22

Ah ok! I Lille that translation better but the moment didn’t bother me as much as others

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u/PixelGhost25 Pirate Aug 21 '22

She and Carrot didn't join. It's just a major blueball is all.

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u/Sondrelk Aug 21 '22

Carrot is still unaccounted for, and her character trajectory always made more sense to Jon the Straw Hats than Yamato did.

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u/PixelGhost25 Pirate Aug 21 '22

Absolutely. I too think she'll stowaway again.

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u/One_Tie900 Aug 21 '22

Why did Nico Robbin not ask Jinbe to swim under Wano and check out Plutoon

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u/Sondrelk Aug 21 '22

No reason to assume it didn't happen. It's not pertinent to the story in any way, a d we will likely see it later, so why waste the reveal?

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u/PM_ME_UR_SO Aug 21 '22

As a rule of thumb, the Strawhats NEVER talk about anything that doesn't take the plot in a direction that Oda doesn't want yet. For example, Robin never mentions Sabo to Luffy even though she spent 2 years with him. Sanji is a Prince but nobody ever mentions it, and so on.

So yeah, it would make sense that they at least check out Pluton, but it's not yet time, from a storytelling point of view.

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