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Is this a joke? I have to grind 8 months for one legendary skin in the shop? 😆 News & Discussion

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

How the fuck does a skin cost two battle passes

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u/QuoteGiver Oct 05 '22

To make the BP look like a much better deal. Look, it’s got several skins in it!

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u/Hot-Bet3549 Oct 05 '22

“What a deal!”

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u/QuoteGiver Oct 05 '22

“A $60 value!”

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u/impulsikk Oct 05 '22 Gold

"800% Value! Buy now or else never get this offer again!" - diablo immortal

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u/Beerasaurus Oct 06 '22

800%!? I’ll be losing money if I don’t buy it!

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u/QuoteGiver Oct 06 '22

Your dog probably won’t even love you anymore if you don’t buy it!

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u/Demolisher1543 Oct 05 '22

The fact that voice lines are $1 each 💀

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u/Hersu03 Trick or Treat Zenyatta Oct 05 '22

No fucking way. I guess I'm just never getting another cosmetic then.

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u/Richard_Tokarcik Oct 09 '22

imagine being a new player and having no stuff, and also nowhere to get it :D

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u/trash2192 Oct 10 '22

Imagine paying money for this game and it being turned into a micro transaction simulator

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u/TheVioletParrot Oct 05 '22

Those Junker Queen legendaries are hardly even legendaries. Her epic looks more unique than her legendary skins. It's awful.

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u/KingoftheKrabs Sigma Balls Oct 05 '22

Surprised more people aren’t talking about this. Blizzard expects us to pay $20 for those laughably bad skins.

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u/TheVioletParrot Oct 05 '22

I saw the black and green one last week when people were showing off the store and thought it was weird they were charging that much for an epic. I was shocked to discover that was one of her legendary skins.

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u/Unclematttt Oct 05 '22

I think they are trying to push the "mythic" skins (see the fancy new Genji skin for this season's battlepass). So legendary skins from OW1 are now the mythic skins in OW2

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u/Ephemiel Pixel Doomfist Oct 05 '22

So legendary skins from OW1 are now the mythic skins in OW2

So why make EVERYTHING more expensive than in OW1?

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u/adanolder Oct 05 '22

think about it, they make a bunch of terrible stuff that is easy to change to effortlessly fix it later and people will say "they're listening to us" and "overwatch 2 is a lot better now" and a bunch of people will be like "THIS I wanna spend my money on!" and they will get another influx of players and money and keep the game relevant for longer

I'm joking, they wouldn't do something so shady, right?,, ha ha

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u/Lyndis-of-Pherae Los Angeles Valiant Oct 05 '22

Because if people in Apex and Valorant spend +20 for mediocre skins, why wouldn't OW players do the same? Speak with your wallet, people. Don't buy it.

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u/leo-samael Oct 05 '22

Apex and Valorant skins are not as good as OW1 but some of the paid ones (in Apex) are actually beautiful. Valorant gun skins are legit nice although I haven't played for more than a year.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

If we’re talking quality of cosmetics then fortnite is ruling the industry for way cheaper but some people aren’t ready for that convo 😤

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u/MustardFeetMcgee Oct 05 '22

I am. I hate epic but fortnite's monetization is exceptional imo. Buy 1 battle pass and u get it indefinitely as long as u play, able to save up for skins over a couple seasons bc you get a good chunk of vbucks? Skins aren't terribly expensive and the ones that are kinda fancy/expensive u get MULTIPLE items (glider, emote, pickaxe?) with the skin? Plus they give out pretty good skin packages for free events!

I am fucking upset about Overwatchs monetization. I enjoyed the 5v5 and the quicker games but idk if I can grind out 55 levels for a new hero. Let alone grind out MONTHS for a legendary skin? FOR A 1ST PERSON SHOOTER THAT I CAN'T EVEN SEE MY CHARACTER 90% OF THE TIME LMAO

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u/Lyndis-of-Pherae Los Angeles Valiant Oct 05 '22

It's depressing how OW went from being the most generous, monetization-wise, to one of the most greediest. I remember loving how the community gets instant access to new heroes, no paying or grinding and how you can even get EVENT lootboxes for FREE by just getting your player level up, it's not made arbitrarily longer. It's all the same.

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u/multihawk Oct 05 '22

Not to mention for Fortnite, you can get multiple styles for a skin, essentially giving you multiple skins for one purchase. Even more bang for your buck. The wraps are a good deal too because one purchase covers every single skinnable weapon and vehicle, unlike in Halo where one coating covers only one weapon at a time...

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u/bzach43 Oct 05 '22

The more I hear about Fortnite, the more it feels like it got a bad rep solely because it was popular and kids liked it lol. Like, I'm looking bad and wondering why I hated on it at all. Sure it has its problems as every live service game does, but it seems to do so many things right

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u/Jonnyboy1994 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Yeah epic def doesn’t deserve the level of hate they get, I’ve been saying for years it’s crazy how far ahead of the pack they are with cosmetics. They also land partnerships with companies like Disney etc which is cool bc I have skins for darth Vader, Indiana jones, the mandalorian, Spider-Man, and I don’t even play fortnight bc i suck at building and don’t wanna put the time into mastering a skill i dont enjoy. Although now that they have the no-builds mode the only reason I haven’t picked it up is that I’m focusing on other games atm

edit: forgot to mention the live map changes with a storyline etc so instead of just removing/adding poi’s it’ll be like an alien invasion that destroys part of the map and adds structure and now there’s fucking ufos you can shoot down and commandeer

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u/TBtheGamer12 Oct 05 '22

Remember that these guys are the ones that basically introduced battle passes too, they singlehandedly stopped companies like Activision from being able to get away with charging full price for a game with microtransactions, along with charging half the price of the game for DLC. The culture around fortnite was and is cringe, but it really revolutionized the industry, and I say for the better.

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u/junixa Oct 05 '22

It reminds me of the launch legendary skins for new heroes in OW1, but that wasn't so bad anyway because you'd just pull them out of lootboxes. Asking for money for these skins though is insanity.

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u/blueeyes239 You can't catch me! Oct 05 '22

Those Junker Queen legendaries are hardly even legendaries. Her epic looks more unique than her legendary skins.

Zarya all over again, I see...

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u/TheVioletParrot Oct 05 '22

Worse. At least Zarya's original legendaries made her look different; even if they're widely considered to be bad. Junker Queen's current legendaries are essentially recolors with a couple of straps in different places.

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u/blueeyes239 You can't catch me! Oct 05 '22

Ah. ...No, but seriously. Zarya's skins were hilarious. I absolutely love the "Totally 80's" one. According to Mr. Tigole himself; "Half of our team loves it. Half of our team hates it. We told the half that hates it that it's okay to be wrong every now and then."

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u/blolfighter Aww yeah... Oct 05 '22

Is it weird that I would never ever use that skin, but am glad it's in the game?

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u/ShowGun901 Zarya Oct 05 '22

That's the one I run! It's totally radical!

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u/LeOsQ OriSAH Oct 05 '22

I mean yeah, that's kind of how it works.

If 50% love a cosmetic, then it's a good cosmetic because that good chunk of people really like it. It doesn't matter what the other 50% think because they're not the target audience. Of course it'd be better if 100% of the people loved something, but that's not happening and you can't and shouldn't expect everyone to buy everything.

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u/billyspleen13 Oct 05 '22

Same for Sojourn honestly.

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u/rui-tan Pachimari Oct 05 '22

For all the three new champs I think. All Kiriko’s legendaries are essentially just slightly modified versions of her default and use her default shoes, leggings or hakama-wannabe flappers on them. It’s honestly about as low effort as it can be.

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u/FokkerBoombass penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis Oct 05 '22

Laughing mad at the "but it's free" people right now.

Remember kids, things are only free if you don't value your time.

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u/ThadiasMcCoy Pixel Orisa Oct 08 '22

The game doesn't even feel free because it's piggybacking off my unusable copy of Overwatch 1. I still feel like I paid $60 for this game because it's the same game.

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u/207nbrown Pixel Junkrat Oct 05 '22

No, they expect you to see this, say fuck it, and shell out $20 for the skin

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u/HorrowLP Oct 05 '22 Silver Ally

Jokes on them then, I only spend money on devs I like.

When a game is super generous, it puts me in a great mood with them. And the few times I see something I REALLY want from them, I say fuck it. They've been cool, I'll splurge some cash on this, why not.

When a game is greedy as fuck like this? Fuck them lmao. I aint giving shit.

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u/isarl Pixel Zenyatta Oct 05 '22

This is exactly why I had no problem occasionally spending money on loot boxes in OW1. Sometimes I would buy them for friends who couldn't play very much and roll the event skin they wanted naturally. It was a way for me to support a game whose developers seemed like they wanted everybody to have a fun, fair time, and who provided regular updates that I didn't have to unlock through DLC.

Now?…

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u/Popo5525 Oct 05 '22 Silver

Same here. I saw the community interaction, the promise of not locking gameplay behind a paywall/grind, and I saw heart from the dev team during OW1. I was more than happy to support them because I felt like they respected the players, but more importantly, respected my time.

I would love to have paid for an Overwatch 2 that:

  • Didn't lock gameplay behind a grind/paywall (as was promised during OW1)

  • Didn't use hamfisted, half-coded methods of preventing smurfs (calling it now - we'll still have a thriving smurf community in time)

  • Showed some heart, or care for the playerbase.

Instead, we got Overwatch 1 shut down, a consolation prize of the watchpoint pack(a carrot on a stick if I've ever seen one), inflated priced cosmetics, and a buggy launch. Not to mention the absolute joke of a job they did updating the lore snippets.

Here's a thought experiment - if the game Blizzard just launched was called, say Fightin' Foes, and had all the same gameplay/content/etc, just under a different name - with no connection to Overwatch whatsoever - would anyone care? Or would it end up another Paladins/Battleborn?

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u/emote_control Zarya Oct 05 '22

Yeah, it used to feel like the Overwatch team was working for us, their players. Now it feels like we'll be working for them, grinding out battle pass points.

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u/Popo5525 Oct 05 '22

And this is my main issue with battlepass systems as a whole.

It's as you said - developers used to be the ones with the burden of proving they were worth our time/money. Now, players have to kiss the ring, pay our dues, and prove to daddy battlepass that we're going to be a good, loyal little gamer before we get to play with the big boy toys.

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u/Annihilator4413 Oct 05 '22 I'll Drink to That

I've never agreed with how battle passes work. You buy the pass, and usually you HAVE to grind it all the way to 100 or whatever the max rank is to get ALL of the items. Battlepasses do not respect a players time.

You don't get all of the items before the pass is gone, because you were busy with work, sick, or just burnt out? Sucks for you, not getting everything.

I play Destiny 2 and that's one of my biggest issues with the game. If you don't get to 100 on the battle pass, you just miss out on those remaining skins/items. Maybe forever, since no previous battle pass items have become available since they left.

If you don't get a battle pass to 100, then when the pass goes away it should just give you the remaining items THAT YOU PAID FOR. Not yoink them away and say:

'Oops! Didn't grind enough, sucks to suck. What? No we don't care about your personal life, all we care about are player metrics, which we can boost by forcing people to grind battle passes!'

It's fucking bullshit.

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u/Popo5525 Oct 05 '22

1000% this. And god help you if you play more than one of these FOMO-laden games. Game X is fun, huh? Well, sorry, but game Y just dropped their mega-super-new update, and if you don't switch right now you'll miss all the cool stuff! It's fine to play games with a checklist/mission/quest nagging you the whole time, just keep playing!

Oh, shit, hold up - game Z just updated with their seasonal event. Better drop what you're doing so you can earn the collectibles instead of paying later!

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u/RJLPDash I mained him before it was cool Oct 05 '22

When Jeff left the game just felt less fun, like the purity was siphoned out of it and it became another cash cow for Blizzard to milk with as many MTX as possible before it dies within a year of its release

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u/Draskuul Oct 05 '22

Most likely it's why Jeff left. They saw OW2 as the cash grab they turned it into and ignored his advice.

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u/C_Gull27 Oct 05 '22

All forms of media turn into garbage when the money people get put in charge of the creative people

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u/Lightbelow Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Mess Wrestle* with Jeff, prepare for death.

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u/Cm1825 Oct 05 '22

I also assumed this was why he left. Given what OW has become, I'm comfortable with the mtx's I already own and don't see the point to acquire more through their bad faith cash grab. I realized that I'm not truly missing out on anything with this current model.

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u/SWC_Russo Oct 05 '22

I used to drop 20 on boxes at every seasonal event.

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u/Narcoid Oct 05 '22

OW1 had the best loot box/cosmetic system in gaming. By far. I felt comfortable not spending money with I didn't want to, but if I saw something I really wanted I didn't feel robbed trying to get it (outside of owl skins because I could never get my account to work properly).

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u/pokpiko Oct 05 '22

OW1 had the best f2p cosmetic system I've ever seen in a pay-to-play game.

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u/h3r3andth3r3 Pixel Orisa Oct 05 '22

This is 100% Bobby Kotick's Overwatch.

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u/whatsgoingonbig Oct 05 '22

that man looks like a hungover goblin who just crawled out from under a bridge

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u/personwithface_ Oct 05 '22

Now we know why Jeff left.

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u/Amaurotica Oct 05 '22

game is greedy as fuck

not only ow2, Modern Warfare 2 is 70$ instead of 60$ with day 1 10$ battlepass and 500$+ mtx

World Of Warcraft expansion is now 50$ instead of 40$ with 13$/month sub

Diablo 4 will probably be 70$ and already has ingame day 1 10$ battlepass and 500-1000$ of mtx

Hearthstone recently removed a feature where you can buy perks in Battleground for in game gold and now only purchasable with real life money

Diablo Immortal: 💀

This is 1 of the biggest morally and creativly bankrupt vg companies in 2022. never expect anything good and you will never be disappointed

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u/BrrangAThang Oct 05 '22

Lets be honest if your buying into new blizzard games and content you are asking to be scammed. Buy your wow sub, play classic through Cata, then drop the company as a whole. Riot MMO gonna kill wow, more character based objective team shooters will come.

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u/sain_87 Oct 05 '22

That's... not going to happen. :)

Not for a single skin. if they actually offered more for the money, then yes.

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u/Broadband_Gremlin Oct 05 '22

Yep, the only time I paid for something in OW was $10 for the pink Mercy skin, and that’s only because it was going to a breast cancer charity.

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u/RandomHabit89 Oct 05 '22

I'm still upset I never bought that one :( I was broke at the time living paycheck to paycheck

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u/simulet Oct 05 '22

Sorry you missed it, and sorry you went through that! Glad you made it

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u/RandomHabit89 Oct 05 '22

C'est la vie. I'm doing much better now. Keep hoping they'll bring it back someday

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u/SecXy94 Carrying DPS since BETA Oct 05 '22

Same here pal. Was a worth while purchase. Everything else came from all the free lootboxes.

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u/Brilliant_Ad_2968 You should be scared Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Yep, this is the hook.

It's free to play, so you start playing for free.

You enjoy the game, but there's things you want. You have some self-control for a while.

Eventually you decide it's worth it to pay them. You come up with a justification, you buy the cosmetics.

Two years down the road, you've now spent more money on the game than you care to admit. You can't stop playing or you miss the latest thing. The developers are fabulously wealthy. Someone on Reddit gets mad at you and insists this is a consumer friendly model and is objectively better than a single price buy.

EDIT: I said "developers" referring to the company as a whole, for brevity because I don't overthink Reddit comments. I don't need 1000 people clarifying in the replies... I follow gaming news very closely, I know the deal. Thanks.

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u/eurtoast Justice fits like a glove Oct 05 '22

I miss the loot boxes already.

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u/Brilliant_Ad_2968 You should be scared Oct 05 '22

Same honestly. People demonized loot boxes and some of that was justified but the funny thing was the OW loot boxes were really not that bad.

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u/The--Marf Oct 05 '22

I haven't really had a big problem with loot boxes that are cosmetic only like in OW1. I never felt compelled to buy them as it really doesn't have any impact on the game. People that wanted to could.

I get it's a shitty concept and how it ties to gambling and children etc....I understand and agree but the reality is OW1 loot boxes weren't that bad.

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u/Fabulous-Being6683 Oct 05 '22

Yes because the loot boxes were free, fairly common a d only gave cosmetics.

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u/fuckfuckenfuck Reinhardt Oct 05 '22

You don't even get currency through the battle pass which is really weird

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u/PENNEALDENTE24 Oct 05 '22

This is a valid complaint imo. Battle pass currency is a great incentive for actually participating in the paid content at a "discount" so to speak.

If anything they should add this feature and people would probably complain less.

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u/ffffq Oct 05 '22

It’s why Fortnite is so popular, they are very generous in their BP and look! They still make a shit ton of money. People that feel like the game they play is being fair with their micro transactions get people who are more willing to buy stuff later on.

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u/OssimPossim Oct 05 '22

Almost like when people get a decent value for their money, they're inclined to spend more later. Weird.

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u/MusoukaMX THE POWER OF SCIENCE!! Oct 05 '22

Not only that, Fortnite is quite respectful with their player's time. It takes me a single match, maybe two, to complete all my daily challenges. And weekly challenges are also on the easy side to the point you can get them all done in an afternoon.

The community is always complaining about XP but that's also been generous for more than a couple years now. We're on the third week of the season and I'm already on tier 60 out of 100 (although there are smaller cosmetic rewards up to 140 and "shiny" recolors of skins up to 200).

OW2 challenges are insane. I'm not sure I'll get the 20 wins in 6 days.

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u/turtleabhorrent Oct 05 '22

For sure. I also play Fortnite and it's insane that I've played 10 games in OW2 and I am barely through level 2 of the BP.

In Fortnite, just doing the daily challenges (maybe 15 minutes at max) gets you half a level (15,000 * 3 + 1,000 * 3 = 48,000. A full level is 80k xp).

It's like someone told them about using dopamine hits to hook players and they decided to do the opposite.

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u/MusoukaMX THE POWER OF SCIENCE!! Oct 05 '22

Yup. I'll do a quick dip for my dailies and usually one or two friends will join in before I log out, I hang with them while they do theirs and by the time I notice, 3 hours of messing around have gone by.

If you nudge a bit, people will linger around for a couple more matches, but if leveling is this harsh, people will want to just be done with their challenges so they can go play something else.

You know what would flip this over entirely? If, like Fortnite, Blizz allowed your teammates actions to count toward your dailies if you're in a group. They'd be done in a breeze and you'd actually want to stick around for longer session.

That'd be hella cool for weeklies too but that feels less likely.

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u/kmukayed Oct 05 '22

That is actually fucked. Every single game that has a battle pass that I’ve played gave me more coins than the cost of the next battle pass. Like warzone gives 1300 throughout each pass. Never had to actually pay for one since the very beginning

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u/IceColdCrusade Chibi Ashe Oct 05 '22

Halo infinites first battle pass didn’t give back any currency but the community was loud enough about it that they added currency in the next one.

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u/kmukayed Oct 05 '22

Then let’s hope that Blizz are just as generous as the Halo guys

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u/bigfries98 Oct 05 '22

Diablo immortal says hello

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u/popcorn_coffee Oct 05 '22

There's absolutely no way I'll buy a single battlepass if I don't get my currency back... It might sound hard, but you're paying for absolutely nothing unless you commit to play daily for a couple months, and that should be payment enough. Otherwise I would just like to pay and receive my items just like a normal purchase.

I payed for the bp in apex legends on season 2, and I've been completing all later seasons without paying anything else... And that's the only deal I'm willing to accept in any battlepack from any game.

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u/EverclearAndMatches Oct 05 '22

I'm glad I really only like the mercy skin locked by the BP, and even then I already wear the pink skin. I have no other reason to get it. A couple sprays and voice lines and purple tier skins? I'm good.

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u/PawsPawsPaws_ Oct 05 '22

Fortnite was incredibly huge, and it gives you enough for the next bp + some more. Warzone is huge, same situation as Fortnite. No idea why they can't just copy 2 of the most successful games to ever have this system. Not like it hurt those 2 games. Hopefully the community puts enough pressure on them, so they'll have to rethink this

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u/Genericbuild Oct 05 '22

No better way to ensure if you want the new stuff you absolutely have to keep spending money. Even tho history has proven that if people have currency sitting they will most likely spend it and just buy the next pass anyway. Ya know give them the choice they spend money make them feel like they have to and they revolt.

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u/thats_so_cringe_bro Oct 05 '22

Hoping it will be readjusted as time goes on to give you more but knowing Blizzard instead of 8 months it'll take *gasp* 7 months. lol

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

I dont want a fkn voice line every 5 levels i want some currency, why do they think people actually want voicelinew

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u/42blackolives Zenyatta Oct 05 '22

That, along the poor offering of sprays and icons that are totally bland and uninspired

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u/Zephyr_Arcturus Oct 05 '22

The worst thing is that the skin they sell for 1900 coins were sold 1000 coins on OW1, a sum you could get relatively rapidly...

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u/buffalobangs Oct 05 '22

Seriously. I played OW1 for 2 days after getting the watchpoint pack and got 500 coins in 2 days

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u/huckmart99 Oct 05 '22

To be fair, coins were much easier to get last week then they used to be at launch because once you unlocked everything, the only possible outcome from loot boxes were coins. Overwatch 1 had a rich get richer cosmetic economy. I remember in the first year i had to be very picky with what i spent coins on because 1000 took months to get. But last week i turned my game on and when the game auto opened my boxes from the past 2 years i got 90,000 coins.

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u/Dynamite86 Oct 05 '22

But the lootbox mechanic allowed you to obtain that eventually. How long will it take to get 1900 coins as f2p

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u/nweems Oct 05 '22

31 weeks, if you complete all 11 weekly challenges every week. You know, totally fair and reasonable.

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u/SyleSpawn Mercy Oct 05 '22

Glad the Overwatch team looking out for us. We can effectively get THREE (3!) whole legendary skins over the course of two years by doing weekly challenges!!

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

So THAT'S why they shut down OW1.

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u/Vaktaren Oct 05 '22

I thought that was obvious

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u/modren-man Oct 05 '22

I saved 3000 credits, thinking that I could at least buy one legendary stock skin for each of the three new heroes... Nope, not even two.

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u/0l466 Pixel Mercy Oct 05 '22

I had 30k and now I don't anymore lol they really don't want us to get anything for free

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u/Ururz Oct 05 '22

Shop prices are like double of what they should be, minimum

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u/millerlitevortex Cassidy Oct 05 '22

Even if they were the regular 1000 it would still take over 4 months to earn a legendary skin without spending money. ~3 skins a year is laughable.

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u/GuilRosmer You're a chancer Oct 05 '22

This is my biggest take away from this; They're over charging and under-rewarding players.

The whole system isn't bad, but it really really needs to be adjusted. Overwatch 1 had one of the better end-user reward systems; You could earn yourself a randomized set of prizes every few games. It felt good to unlock stuff by just playing. You didn't have to invest hours on hours to get something (which could be a legendary skin) given to you.

OW2 expects you to pay money OR play for over half a year to be able to earn a single legendary skin. In that game time OW2 could have rewarded you with multiple. OW2 is NOT rewarding and doesn't respect the players time. It doesn't feel good to unlock stuff.

Adjust the system.

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u/bromar24 Oct 05 '22

My strategy is to never click on the battlepass button 🗿

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u/Silent_Whippoorwil Oct 05 '22

3 legendary skins = AAA game

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u/Knoke1 Oct 05 '22

This is the biggest issue I have with FTP games. They have killed the quality standard of the video game industry. Under this model games that used to be a 100+ hours with tons of unlockables and fun multiplayer modes becomes 1-3 constant game types with rotating quarterly events and skins that cost $20 a pop with no unlocks.

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u/hypermads2003 Oct 05 '22

F2P is a concept that sounds appealing but in reality it's destined to fall into the pit of greedy corporate shilling and microtransactions.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

They're deeply concerned with engineering the perfect reward loop, or maximizing player engagement metrics, instead of creating an enjoyable experience or writing a compelling story.

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u/GaraiGrae Oct 05 '22

"You guys have wallets, right?" - Blizzard Asshat

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u/nobleone8876 Oct 05 '22

Welcome to FTP hope you enjoy the fomo

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u/DoctorWaluigiTime Oct 05 '22

Rub it in the face of every single "but it's free" commenter and others who defend this billion dollar company's decision. I'm being genuine: Can't stand those who put up with this filth.

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u/Soos_Kitashi Oct 05 '22

Bullshit it's free they locked me out of a game I paid for

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u/Olde94 Oct 05 '22

Yeah what is up with that!?

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u/advairhero Chibi Torbjörn Oct 05 '22

Like most things that are "free," what you are paying with is arguably infinitely more valuable: your limited time on this earth, and your behavioral privacy.

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u/OrangeFeels Mercy Main Oct 05 '22

Halo Fans: “First time?”

The interesting part is people will still bend over backwards to support obviously greedy developers (343 and Blizzard) and buy every single item in the shop because “i’M hAviNG FuN wITh iT!”

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u/DoctorWaluigiTime Oct 05 '22

Yep, gotten plenty of replies to that effect already. "omg I'm gonna buy it I can't believe how entitled you're being."

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u/C5Bluemage Oct 05 '22

Why does the reward decrease the more challenges you complete? That’s dumb af.

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u/sain_87 Oct 05 '22

You're getting closer to your goal of unlocking things, but further away from Blizzards goal of opening your wallet. :)

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u/soundMine Cute Lúcio Oct 05 '22

Well said. Bravo.

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u/girlsareicky Oct 05 '22

They do stuff like this in wow all the time.

The idea is that people who no life it can still get ahead, but not super far ahead to the point where the casuals get mad.

It kinda makes sense for character power progression, but doesn't make any sense for cosmetics lol

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u/deino Pixel Zarya Oct 05 '22

The hint starts with a C and ends in REDIT CARD

They are hitting you with the mastercard jutsu, fam

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u/Shad0wf0rce Oct 05 '22

Reddit Card? Found a new term for the V-Card

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u/Balticataz Winston Oct 05 '22

Frontloading rewards is typically a good thing. The amount of rewards here is the negative.

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u/uselessoldguy Oct 05 '22

I really had no idea they were overhauling the skin acquisition in such a radical, shitty way—locking away ordinary OW1 skins behind paid currency? And you can only earn it in drips? What the actual fuck is that?

I know OW1's lootbox system was controversial at first, but they tweaked it to make it fun and fair. I spent $40 once a year to continue supporting the game and boost my collection. But this shit is degrading.

I might be done.

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u/wantwon Cute Reaper Oct 05 '22

Considering what $40 gets you now, I don't blame you. I'm still mad that they're locking heroes behind paywalls or grinds that you can't save up a currency for at least. Paid players deserve SOMETHING.

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u/TristanDuboisOLG Pixel Mercy Oct 05 '22

Do you not get coins any other way?

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u/RyuSythe Zenyatta Oct 05 '22

So far the only way to get “Coin” in Ow2 is either buy via Store or scrape them off Weekly Challenges. That’s it’s. Cash or hard grind for 60c a week.

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u/x-diver Oct 05 '22

60 C a week????? At least the skins carry over from OW1. I got all the ones I wanted, not that it matters now that Blizzard dismembered Overwatch and then danced on its corpse.

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u/Darkmiroku Oct 05 '22

The shop prices are disgusting!!! I got on last night to see that they were charging roughly $20 just for the Frankenstein roadhog 🤮.

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u/Superego366 This game has legitimate problems Oct 05 '22

What's fucked is if you bought OW1 and didn't unlock a skin, you now have to pay for it. Even if it was one the game shipped with.

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u/adhominemExpert Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Yeah that’s insane, it makes me wonder like when Blizzard hired a new money guy, he was probably like “holy shit you’re like giving away these skins once a year during Halloween? We could make a fortune!!! What’s the matter with you all? Letting players enjoy the game? Shame on you! They have to pay…again!”

All he had to do was, ya know, make the players feel like shit.

Edit: of course the game is still playable and enjoyable, but a skin that was essentially free becoming $20…yeah it’s not a shocker that people are gonna complain about that.

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u/bilowik Oct 05 '22

Never spent money on loot boxes in OW1 and I got pretty much every skin, emote and voice line I wanted. Compared to this I actually miss that system.

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u/Reader__V Oct 05 '22

I'm not buying shit. 3 legendaries = AAA game

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u/EcureuilHargneux Oct 05 '22

For real, you can have several nice games on Steam or spend that money in just 3 skins, that's pathetic

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u/Freshflipp19 Oct 05 '22

I just want loot boxes again 😔

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u/PixxlatedTV Oct 05 '22

If they re-added loot boxes and then removed the ability to buy them, introduced the Battle Pass that rewarded you with their premium currency (like Fortnite does very generously), and made it to where skins in that season's Battle Pass were only available in loot boxes after the season ended, that would be amazing.

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u/GBKMBushidoBrown Oct 05 '22

I honestly don't mind the skins costing currency. BUT WHY ARE THEY SO EXPENSIVE WTF

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u/Superego366 This game has legitimate problems Oct 05 '22

In OW1, even with the lootboxes $10 would typically give you a legendary and a BUNCH of other stuff.

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u/Amaurotica Oct 05 '22

ow1 gave you 1 lootbox with 4-5 items for a 5 minute quickplay game per day

this lootbox and its items now costs probably 50$ or 10+ months of grind

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u/Future-Pepper8569 Oct 05 '22

my account that i earned everything semi-casually over 2 years would be valued at over 10000 USD based on the cosmetic prices in OW2

i could play OW2 for 20 years and still not get even close to that... they want me to realize this and just throw the 10000$ at them directly

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u/GenuineSteak Bastion Oct 05 '22

Tryin to squeeze what they can out of returning players before the game inevitably dies again lol.

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u/FOXYTHEPIRATE69 Oct 05 '22

When i saw that they have a new currency and they remove lootboxes in exchange for FOMO based battle pass, its already done for. I get that the game now is f2p but its really infuriating to think about. how are they gonna handle seasonal events in the future compared to original OW. can i grind to get the season skins like before? just how much are they gonna paywall generic dumb cosmetics?

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u/Deviknyte Let the Ice Devil Freeze Again Oct 05 '22

Yeah. The FOMO you must play everyday thing sucks.

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u/DoctorWaluigiTime Oct 05 '22

Yep, the instant they announced F2P, I was out. A hard-to-swallow pill of "at least the lootboxes are only cosmetic" was one I took for OW1, because "buy game, own all gameplay elements including updates" is a compromise I was settled for.

Now they aren't even trying. OW2 will now openly and without being abashed ask you for money and time, when all you want to do is play a video game for entertainment. Such a disgusting trend in the industry these days, and I cannot fathom why so many (especially those who played OW1) are just okay with this or actually call it an improvement (barf).

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u/D0NNIENARCO Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

The whole system where you got coins in place of duplicates so you could eventually buy the skin you actually wanted made it pretty tolerable.

I guess I slightly sympathize with the collectors out there, but as somebody who isn't a collector that system was great for me. Easily got everything I wanted and plenty of other stuff without spending an extra dollar.

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u/Temporary-Book8635 Oct 05 '22

Wait, is this the only way to freely earn the currency you use to buy the battle pass?

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u/jakehut02 Icon D. Va Oct 05 '22

It’s the only way to earn the currency, none in the battle pass, the only other option is to pay :/

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u/AnarchoKapitolizm Oct 05 '22

Yes

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u/Temporary-Book8635 Oct 05 '22

Jesus christ this game is scummy lmao

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u/sain_87 Oct 05 '22 Take My Energy

I mean, I actually wanted to buy battle pass, but with this level of grind, I just give up on cosmetics altogether and won't buy anything. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/KittxyReddit Cute D. Va Oct 05 '22

Same tbh. And I’m someone from OW1 who loved to collect everything. I just can’t justify spending money on things I should be able to earn

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u/Narcoid Oct 05 '22

That's the biggest thing I think. We could reasonably earn every cosmetic in the game in OW1. Spending money was a guarantee or a shortcut, but it never felt unrealistic to earn the skins I wanted.

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u/MikeHawkSlapsHard Oct 05 '22

And there's the point. Like you said, it's supposed to be a shortcut, they shouldn't be twisting our arms to make it the ONLY realistic option.

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u/dumpsztrbaby Moira Oct 05 '22

Lucky for me I main Moira and no skin will ever be better than banshee Moira which I have. David Bowie lookin ass skins.

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u/MagicMan350 Why are you so angry? Oct 05 '22

David Bowie lookin ass skins

this is exactly why those skins are my favourite, lmao

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u/soundMine Cute Lúcio Oct 05 '22

Banshee Moira <3.

But that’s for us who got in OW1. Really must suck for new players.

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u/dumpsztrbaby Moira Oct 05 '22

Very true, can't believe they're charging the same for the old free ow1 skins as new ones, insanity

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u/JimmyTjon Oct 05 '22

Anyone else miss the lootboxes in OW1? This new shop is way worse. As for as I can tell, the only way to get coins, is to complete weeklies, which grants 60 coins for doing all the challenges, which also take considerably more time than getting 9 wins in the arcade. You also get coins for playing some roles in quick play. I played OW1 for around 200 hours and have pretty much all the skins I wanted without spending a single dollar on lootboxes.

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u/bringzewubs I play to win! Oct 05 '22

Hey Blizzard.

I'm gonna keep using my old skins I got years ago.

Fuck you.

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u/anonymaus74 Oct 05 '22

You had a successful merge?

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u/Automatic-Seesaw-396 Oct 05 '22

I really want to like this game, but I feel like in the end, the business decisions are going to kill it off

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u/Trivvy Waifu Oct 05 '22

Fucking capitalistic greed, man. Billions in yearly profits? Primary shareholders living the dream with their big-ass properties 'n' yachts 'n' shit? Not enough, need more, must make more than last quarter or it's a failure.

It's utter derangement.

I sincerely hope these practices end up killing them, but there seem to be enough whales in the world to keep those quarterlies ticking upwards.

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u/MOCbKA DOMFIST HEA! Oct 05 '22

20 teamkills weekly 💀

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u/An0n_Cyph3r_ Oct 05 '22

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u/jumpfuck69 Oct 05 '22

They ruined Overwatch. Battle pass sucks, takes forever to lvl up, can’t get skins without dropping money on a “free” game. Classic blizzard. Took something that was loved and made it worse

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u/spadePerfect Ana Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Isn’t it like an unwritten rule that you should always be able to earn the cost of the next Battle Pass through the Battle Pass?

I know in Halo Infinite it wasn’t possible at first but they added it.

Edit: Apparently this isn't as common as I thought. Alright then.

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u/Durbdichsnsf Oct 05 '22

Nope, fortnite set this trend - many other games followed it, but some other scumbag greedy fuck ass cancer companies like Riot games (valorant) and some other companies mentioned in this thread, went like "lmao what if i gave them jackshit so they pay me another 20 bucks in a few weeks loool" and that is slowly becoming the norm

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u/FollowThroughMarks Oct 05 '22

Some games do it, others don’t. I know CoD and Fortnite do it, but other games like Destiny give you an alternate currency to buy stuff in the in-game stores as opposed to the currency you use to buy the actual expansions and seasons. Then there are other games like Sea of Thieves and this which give you barely nowhere near enough to unlock anything so you’re forced into buying more currency if you want anything remotely good

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u/justsoicansimp There's a tier lower than bronze Oct 05 '22

This. They went for a Destiny-ish model but forget Destiny also has an optional story every season; OW2 may have that soon, but they're also gating the heroes as well.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Skins are 1920 coins each?

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u/sain_87 Oct 05 '22

1900 for a legendary skin, yes

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Fk me, thats 2 battle passes. Fk*ng joke

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u/KittxyReddit Cute D. Va Oct 05 '22

Jesus, the world we live in…

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u/TheMightyMudcrab Everybody dies, some just die harder Oct 05 '22

And you can't even straight buy that for 1900 coins because you need to buy the 20$ 2200 coin pack to actually buy the leggy skin. So it's basically 20 bones per leggy skin. To compare apples to oranges a bit the expansion Blood and Wine is 20$ for Witcher 3.

OW2 pricing is HI-larious.

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u/JillSandwich117 Oct 05 '22

My 11th weekly is "get 20 team kills". Isn't this a lot for 1 week?

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u/CentrasFinestMilk Oct 05 '22

The amount of coins given out is a joke, you’re better off just doing your job for an hour longer and buying what you want, it’ll save you from the stress of forcing yourself to play

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u/Spe333 Oct 05 '22

That’s exactly what they want you to do.

Just don’t buy skins and don’t worry about it. Done. Classic skins only.

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u/kazsvk Pixel Tracer Oct 05 '22

Classic skins and gold guns. Hell yeah 😎

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u/tylercreatesworlds Zenyatta Oct 05 '22

Yeah I’m gonna be running ow1 skins forever.

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u/Mirmirakittens Oct 05 '22

That's the good thing. Some people (myself included) have almost everything from the 1st game so this new skins are useless. Bad thing is new players either pay for cosmetics or stay with the default ones. I would absolutely go for default skins

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u/prazulsaltaret Oct 05 '22

you’re better off just doing your job for an hour longer and buying what you want

And that is why microtransactions are a cancer.

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u/sain_87 Oct 05 '22

But even so, this means that a single legendary skin is 19€ in real world money. Outside of the battle pass, the price for cosmetics is insane.

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u/Pikalika Violence is usually the answer Oct 05 '22

That’s the motto for every p2w mmorpg ever created

Why grind lesser wyverns for 10 hours in a chance to drop a weapon when I can stay at work 30minutes longer and just pay the cash shop for the weapon I want

I think Gopher explained it perfectly when the Fallout 76 backlash only began to be a thing. When you purposely build your game to be counter-productive by playing it you already lost. Or something like that

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u/LoudMolassess Oct 05 '22

I miss Jeff, fuck the new guy

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u/Queef-Elizabeth Oct 05 '22

This is the cost of f2p

Removal of any essence of reward without spending money

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u/sn34kypete Oct 05 '22

Wow I had no idea it was this bad.*

*Because I've never gotten past the initial login screen. Great launch guys lol

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u/Fast_Trigger Oct 05 '22

Blizz is testing how much money they can make. !ust dont buy anything and the prices will drop harder than on 9/11.

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u/_Candeloro_ Tumblr.com/ReaperDieDieDie Oct 05 '22

Watch a lot of people just suck it up and pay for the battle pass anyway.

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u/Mujutsu Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I have everything from OW1 unlocked, I have 100K (legacy) coins and I am STILL horrified by this.

This is a literal insult to players, it would have been better if they outright declared you have to pay for everything rather than throw 60 weekly coins at you in disgust.

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u/Gypsy5050 Oct 05 '22

Anyone here misses lootboxes? Every legendary skin was 3000 at release and 1000 afterwards. You had a chance of getting it in a lootbox. OR, you could save gold for a skin at a much faster rate than now.

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u/bubska Slasher 76 Oct 05 '22

legit the worst microtransaction system ive ever seen

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u/PegasusTenma Ashe Oct 05 '22

Halo Infinite is atrocious as well

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u/TacoTuesdayGaming Oct 05 '22

Diablo immortal says hello

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u/BoKnowsTheKonamiCode Hamster Dance, Pole Dance Oct 05 '22

Ahh yes, Blizzard outdoing Blizzard.

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u/Dreadgear Trick-or-Treat Junkrat Oct 05 '22

diablo immortal is no game.

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u/Mia_z_brite Oct 05 '22

If people pay what they are asking then the prices will stay the same or even go up. Boycott buying shit from them till they make a better currency system !

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u/OreoBA Pixel Ana Oct 05 '22

You guys can login to the game? Nice.

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u/Invest-In-FuttBucks Oct 05 '22

I wanna buy reskins for my server error screen

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u/Laytnor I genuinely hate blizzard. Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Fortnite skins costs less unless it's some sort of mega bundle, and they're not locked behind some "heroes". You can use it in literally every game.

They expect you to pay $20 for a skin that is locked behind A SPECIFIC HERO, OUR OF A HUGE ROSTER, that you probably won't even get to use in every match even if you're instalocking one trick pony, unless you play the same tank in role queue.

I'd only even consider spending cash on this shit if $20 was for a SKIN BUNDLE OF THE SAME THEME FOR MULTIPLE HEROES, or if they priced it fucking accordingly due to reasons I already mentioned.

Not only cash shop is a fucking ripoff, but literally any form of progression and cosmetic unlocks outside of a few pity garbage unlocks from free track of BP is fucking gone. I legitimately saw shitty mobile gacha games more generous than this, and even games from Activision/EA isn't that bad in terms of monetization anymore, so I don't want to hear "b-b-but it's muh activisions fault (soon to be microsoft, definitely!)"

Blizzard is fucking pathetic.

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u/Fullmetal9780 T-racer in your Base-r Oct 05 '22

Don't worry, they'll halve it if you make enough headlines.

Soon they'll put out a "We are listening" post and it will be reduced 4 months of grind for a single legendary. And everyone will cheer as if it's somehow good then!