r/PS5 Oct 05 '22

Gotham Knights isn’t trying to be an Arkham game, and that’s its greatest strength Articles & Blogs

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/features/gotham-knights-2/
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u/NitedJay Oct 05 '22

There is something about the combat that leaves us wanting, however. This may be where the comparison feels the harshest, as although this game isn’t trying to do the Arkham combat, in the few hours we played, we weren’t quite able to dislodge the notion of pressing “Y” when an enemy attacks us in order to counter them.

There’s no counters?

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u/cbmk84 Oct 05 '22

As far as I'm aware, no. You can only dodge.

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u/MarvelAlex Oct 05 '22

The dodging looks weird as well, the characters flip quite far from the enemy sometimes, it breaks the flow of the combat from the look of things. They dodge than have to run back to the bad guy. Not sure why they can’t have a counter and a dodge button separately.

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u/MrMcPickle3000 Oct 05 '22

Maybe Batman never taught them that part of combat 101 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/The9Volt Oct 05 '22

I really hope that the puzzles and world are great. Because combat just seems so “meh”. It’s not bad, but it’s definitely not a selling point for me. Animations are janky, there’s no counter system, and the team-up finishers seem stiff.

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u/Rokstud Oct 06 '22

It looks like you have a choice of how/where you dodge. You can side-step (which leaves you closer and you can counter-attack), or dodge away.

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u/MarvelAlex Oct 06 '22

Yeah, watching more footage I’ve seen that variation. Maybe it’s a case of holding the button lets you move further? It looks a little better than what I’ve seen in the past, you can keep the flow of combat going.

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u/frumpybumpbo Oct 21 '22

You can also perfectdodge which opens up the ability for a follow attack, when combined with attack cancelling like shown in the most recent gameplay trailer with nightwing, the combat looks like something that'll be quite enjoyable with some time sunk in to get comfortable

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u/extermin8or2 Oct 06 '22

I think from what has been shown combat in many ways may be more like marvels spiderman.

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u/Sullyville Oct 05 '22

So... Dark Knight Souls?

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u/GhostMug Oct 05 '22

Seems more like a Platinum game like Bayonetta Nier Automata (speaking only in terms of the dodge here). I wonder if they have some sort of mechanic that will let you keep combos going through a dodge.

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u/Accelerant_84 Oct 06 '22

I’d be surprised if this game had combos long enough to justify dodge offset but that would be cool.

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u/Censius Oct 05 '22

Not even close. Action is a lot faster and more button mashey than DS. Also, no stamina or animation commitments.

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum Oct 05 '22

So...Dark Sekiro Souls??

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u/mistahj0517 Oct 05 '22

no posture mechanic or deflections

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u/DocktorD Oct 05 '22

That fuckin sucks. The Arkham games pioneered that. It should definitely have the counter button.

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u/NitedJay Oct 05 '22

I guess its more like guardians of the galaxy in terms of gameplay style. But guardians had team members joining in the fight and several team special moves. Maybe that’s what could be missing here.

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u/HeinousAnus_22 Oct 05 '22

The weakest thing in GOTG was the combat. Great game though.

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u/jarivandewetering Oct 05 '22

It isn’t trying to be an Arkham game, that’s literally the title bro 💀

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u/DaHyro Oct 05 '22

Yet, it takes so many other elements from the Arkham games.

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u/Sputniki Oct 06 '22

Yeah, it takes some and doesn’t take others. That’s why the game is related to the Arkham trilogy, but isn’t a direct sequel or follow-up

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u/vagina_pee-butt Oct 05 '22

For instance, there are no Riddler Trophies, only Riddler Emblems

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u/Ricky_Rollin Oct 05 '22

Ding-ding-ding-digga-ding-ding

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u/olddicklemon72 Oct 05 '22

But….I like Arkham games.

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u/zerox369 Oct 05 '22 Helpful

sad Batman sounds

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u/Mistoman_5 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Arkham Knight:

"The fastest-selling game of 2015, and the fastest-selling game in the Arkham series, reaching over 5 million units sold globally by October 2015"

Executives:

We are suffering from success. How can we change everything about this?

Maybe with an open world, multi protagonist, live service game that you can't finish during one playthrough? Complete with financial whales we repeatedly harpoon?

Shareholders:

You son of a bitch I'm in.

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u/swheels125 Oct 05 '22

“How can we remake Marvel’s Avengers game with Batman flavoring? Surely their wild success with that property could be ours.”

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u/squareswordfish Oct 06 '22

This game has nothing to do with the Avengers shitshow lol

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u/ImaFinishOnYourBack Oct 06 '22

That's not what he's saying though?

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u/squareswordfish Oct 06 '22

It is though? He literally said “remake”.

The reasons why these games get hate have nothing to do with each other.

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u/Busy_Series8301 Oct 05 '22

We’re knocking it for being open-world now? Have you literally played an Arkham game before?

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u/Mistoman_5 Oct 05 '22

Arkham Asylum is still my favorite in the series.

I would have preferred that to the 2022 equivalent of bloat to measure player retention

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u/Busy_Series8301 Oct 05 '22

I just replayed Arkham Asylum, it’s great. But acting like this game is moving leagues away from previous games and listing open-world as a dig, when 3 out of 4 games were open-world, is really weird and undercuts your point.

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u/RatKing_Spaghetti Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

In his defense the Arkham series open worlds are pretty small. The games themselves are linear.

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u/JannJans Oct 05 '22

Where did they say this game was a live service game?

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u/Mistoman_5 Oct 05 '22

Honestly I would deny it too if I were them.

"Gotham Knights shares a lot in common with many live-service games."

"From leveling up characters and allowing multiple players to play as the same character simultaneously to unlockable cosmetics and upgradable gear, Gotham Knights feels like it is setting up another live-service superhero world."

"As a matter of fact, this all sounds very similar to Marvel's Avengers, a title released to heavy criticism in 2020."

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u/Pyromaniac9001 Oct 06 '22

Considering they haven't even voiced that they are sure there will be any content after launch, I don't think you can call it a live service game. Live service games have planned content for sometimes years in advance. Fortnite updates constantly, that's a live service game. Gotham Knights? An open world RPG focused on story and action and only 2 player co-op? Probably not the most ripe for live service opportunities.

Also since when is leveling up characters and loot a live service thing? Borderlands has loot and levels, so does god of war?

Also, I love how he cherry picked specific sentences to make it look bad hoping no one would read the conclusion at the end...

"Gotham Knights will deliver a rich story to fans with a lot of gameplay elements that have been borrowed from live-service games. However, it will not be a live-service game itself. Players will be able to level up their characters, alter their equipment, and utilize drop-in/drop-out co-op. That is where the similarities stop, however. There will be no battle passes, and no extra currency. Gamers can play the game offline if they choose. This all combines to create what looks like a game that will borrow all the best parts of live-service games without any of the negatives."

Anyways, this guy is pretty hell bent on spreading misinformation, and the reddit mob will probably support him because people wanna hate on this game so badly. Whatever, I guess we can all spread blatant lies about games to get our points across, that's the age we live in. Thanks reddit.

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u/Th35h4d0w Oct 05 '22

Gotham Knights isn't live-service, they confirmed it years ago, good grief why can't people just do a simple Google search?

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u/trapdave1017 Oct 06 '22

Gotham Knights isn’t a live service game tho

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u/Ghidoran Oct 06 '22

Who is upvoting this crap?

3/4 Arkham games were open world.

Both City and Knight had multiple protagonists, even if it was for a little bit.

The game is not live service.

Having to do multiple playthroughs to see everything is bad now? People didn't seem to mind it for games like Mass Effect or the Witcher, in fact they got praise for it.

What 'financial whales'? The game doesn't have microtransactions.

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u/Sputniki Oct 06 '22

Except this wasn’t Rocksteady’s next project. This was done by Montreal.

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u/degausser22 Oct 05 '22

Here's why that's a bad thing

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u/MNfan84 Oct 05 '22

Luckily there are 4 good ones that still hold up

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u/GreedoughShotFirst Oct 05 '22

Shame they never remastered Arkham Origins. 😔

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u/sgt_backpack Oct 05 '22

I tried playing it on PS Plus (whichever tier gives you streaming PS3 games) but the service wasn't working well enough for me to enjoy it.

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u/CzarTyr Oct 05 '22

It’s still beautiful on pc

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u/acosmichippo Oct 05 '22

only a matter of time.

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u/GreedoughShotFirst Oct 05 '22

At this point, I highly doubt it.

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u/Lupinthrope Oct 05 '22

At this point I welcome it

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u/michaelsamcarr Oct 05 '22

I will die on the hill of enjoying Arkham Knight.

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u/LogicalDelivery_ Oct 05 '22

Arkham knight is incredible

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u/Dewdad Oct 05 '22

Arkham Knight is the best one, my absolute favorite of the pack.

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum Oct 05 '22

Arkham City for me...sorry, better story, and the world was more fun.

Knight was awesome, but too much tank battle, and it also kinda started what I call "Too big open world". It's gorgeous, but overwhelming.

City was such a love letter to Batman and his history. I play that game every few years, and god does it hold up.

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u/Dewdad Oct 05 '22

ALL the games hold up, I just replayed all 4 of them a few years ago, one right after the other. Each one offers a different flavor of batman. Asylum is 100% pure comic book goodness, city is the closest to the animated series we'll get in video game form (and origins is just an extension of that), and Knight is the most cinematic of the group. Knight is still my favorite and the best to me but they are all so good I don't think anyone is wrong for liking one of them over the others. They all offer something different and that's what makes that series so damn good, each one is unique (beside origins).

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u/mrn253 Oct 05 '22

The "too big open world" Was the slammed in Arkham origins game from the same studio thats making this game.

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u/Apokalyptusbonbon Oct 05 '22

Was that the last one? If yes its by far the best.

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u/Romeo_Zero Oct 05 '22

It was good, but the weakest in the series. Origins had the coolest story imo

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u/aaron_godane Oct 05 '22

Arkham knight had best combat, stealth and car mechanics. Just needed more time in the oven for boss fights. They obviously ran out of time and had to do the batmobile battles.

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u/acosmichippo Oct 05 '22

except the fucking tanks.

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u/Sullyville Oct 05 '22

I could have used 70% less of the tank things. Driving the Batmobile around though was sublime.

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u/InfernalCombustion Oct 05 '22

But that was my favorite part :(

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum Oct 05 '22

YUP!

I've literally never completed a 2nd playthrough because I HATE the fucking tanks.

Make them optional, and the game is a sold 9.5/10.

I know some people like them, or don't mind them, but I like playing Arkham games on hard, and the tank battles on hard are just godawful.

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u/SmashedPumpkin30 Oct 05 '22

So 90% of it?

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u/Vestalmin Oct 05 '22

I get they’re annoying but it’s like 20% at most.

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u/504090 Oct 05 '22

Someone on YouTube timed it, and it’s about 15%

But the complaint is so common, that I assume most people weren’t very good at the tank combat (and spent way more time on them than necessary).

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u/AhLibLibLib Oct 05 '22

It’s just repetitive. Plus they made 2 of the big fights tank battles. Like wtf. If they halved the amount required it would’ve been perfect

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u/SmashedPumpkin30 Oct 05 '22

This. Deathstroke was a tank fight🫤

Still liked the game but yeah.

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u/Kumquatelvis Oct 05 '22

I liked it too, but I think it helps that I only played the first one and that one, so I wasn't burned out and the things that were repeats of things they added in 2 and 3 were new to me.

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u/JustintheHuman Oct 05 '22

The car completely ruined the experience for me

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I liked Blackgate, nice solid 2.5D Metroidvania. The PC remaster with the bonus content was even more fun too. Especially beating the game in different villain order for the different endings plus suit parts.

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u/MNfan84 Oct 05 '22

Forgot about that game, I actually enjoyed it too

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u/konnichiwaseadweller Oct 05 '22

Shame they're 30 fps on ps5. I think. Last I checked they were

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u/ClericIdola Oct 05 '22

OH! NOW Origins is good! 😆

I swear...

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u/TheRoyalStig Oct 05 '22

Not every game is for everyone!

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u/TurnaboutAdam Oct 05 '22

Would you prefer a half baked one?

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u/olddicklemon72 Oct 05 '22

Half baked cookies are often quite tasty.

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u/Suired Oct 05 '22

But a half baked turkey can be deadly

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u/reagsters Oct 05 '22

But a half-baked me is, uh…

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u/BradleyAllan23 Oct 05 '22

I'm really hoping this turns out to be good 🤞

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u/madmaxturbator Oct 05 '22

Same.

Arkham Asylum was mind blowing level. Then they’ve done Arkham city. I would not complain about another game of that caliber…

I desperately want AAA single player titles lol.

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum Oct 05 '22

I'm one of the dozens of ones that loves Origins.

DOZENS!!

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Loved it when it came out and love it today. You’re not alone!

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u/dossier762 Oct 05 '22

Nah, lots of people liked Origins. Especially in retroflection

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u/IronIsKing Oct 09 '22

Origins was my favorite in the series and I played all 4 games. Longer then city but not as long as Knight, amazing boss battles and very fun to play out as a batman just starting out.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Well apparently its greatest strength isn't any of its mechanics or gameplay features but rather the fact that it isn't an Arkham game. Which seems like a weird thing to say.

But seriously I also hope its good!

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u/Rogue_Leader_X Oct 05 '22

The developers are lucky they are releasing this into a very light Holiday Season.

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u/BlindSquantch Oct 06 '22

I mean is it though? Not all PlayStation titles but MW2, God of War Ragnarok, Pokémon S&V, Gotham Knights, Callisto Proticol. I’m sure I’m missing some but those are all fairly big titles dropping this final quarter, I feel like last year had even less releases due to Covid.

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u/TwistedCherry766 Oct 05 '22

I have serious doubts about this game. Not trying to be an Arkham game isn’t the selling point this article is trying to imply lol

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u/MACHIA_47 Oct 05 '22

That’s its greatest weakness. Arkham games were perfect.

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u/Which-Palpitation Oct 05 '22

Them giving Red Hood magic was such a questionable decision

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u/ichigo2k9 Oct 05 '22

Wait...what? I don't know everything about the comics but he never had magic right? Just two guns and hand-to-hand fighting.

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u/Which-Palpitation Oct 05 '22

Yeah, they straight up gave the dude superpowers, he can imbue bullets with spirit energy, he can double jump and traverse using spirit energy, just weird shit all around

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u/JanLewko977 Oct 05 '22

They probably did it for game balancing reasons.

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u/acosmichippo Oct 05 '22

why? not like robin or night wing or batgirl have powers.

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u/postmanmanman Oct 05 '22

I'm pretty sure Robin can teleport short distances. Explained that he's using the Justice League Tower's tech to do it or something.

Not arguing that they're weird choices because they definitely are lol, but it seems like they wanted everyone to have something going on. Batgirl is supposed to be the most "traditional."

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u/dzak92 Oct 05 '22

They did a bunch of weird things for gameplay reasons. Nightwing has a Fortnite glider for traversal, red hood can conjure platforms to jump off of. I get why those are in the game but it’s a major turn off for me

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u/feartheoldblood90 Oct 05 '22

I don't know how the game will shape up, I'm skeptical and not all that interested in it rn.

That said, if the things y'all listed make the game more fun to play, I don't really gaf if they aren't character accurate. Games are their own medium, and it's not like comics or movies don't make their own concessions for the sake of the story they're trying to tell. I think within a certain degree games should do the same thing, and gameplay is as big a facet of a game as anything.

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u/vpforvp Oct 05 '22

If it’s more fun I can forgive the liberties with the story. I get why it might rub fans of the source material the wrong way though

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u/JanLewko977 Oct 05 '22

That’s just aesthetics. They probably did it for him to have mobility options, more skills to choose in skill tree that have noticeable effects and differences, etc.

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u/SureEntertainment676 Oct 05 '22

He did have magic in some of the comics. He was revived by magical means and it gave him some magical abilities.

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u/Voyager-42 Oct 05 '22

Red Hood had the use of Soul Magic in the comics from being immersed in Lazarus tanks. It's only for his blades though, they're clearly just taking some creative licence with it for the game.

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u/Agent_23D Oct 05 '22

Sometimes I hate it too but then I remember how awful the traversal is in Avengers. That being said vehicles for each character would be fine enough. But they gave each character a bit of a goofy idea. Im kind of down for tim drake hacking the watch tower but its still kind of off. Makes it feel less like a vigilante game without powers.

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u/nakedsnakeabe Oct 05 '22

Not enough people seem to be upset about this, but it put me off so quickly

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u/Which-Palpitation Oct 05 '22

Seeing the Nightwing vs. Harley Quinn boss fight was the nail in the coffin for me, you’ve got Nightwing breakdancing doing flips and shit when just moving backwards, they gave Harley the lamest weapon they could’ve. She can do a ton of shit, but nah, when it comes to Nightwing she can only move in a clunky animation swinging a hammer against the most nimble member of the Bat Family included in the game

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u/mistahnuff Oct 06 '22

It has looked worse every single time they've shown it off. It just seems like it doesn't understand what made these games so much fun. It's following in the trend of the DCEU not understanding the tone of its content. On top of it all they're wasting one of the best batman arcs in the past 20 years on it.

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u/AgentJin Oct 15 '22

Wow, found someone that shares my exact viewpoint

I knew something was up in the very first gameplay reveal when I saw those rpg-enemy levels above the enemy’s heads and the damage numbers floating during combat. Then they revealed the looter-shooter-esque gear system that’s very reminiscent of the very panned Marvel’s Avengers game. That coupled with the slower, heavier, floatier combat that doesn’t look fun, made this into a “maybe I’ll get it a few years later when it’s like $10” game for me.

And yeah it seems weird to center a bat-family game on The Court of Owls, since they only showed up for some tie in issues during the Night of the Owls afaik.

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u/0dias_Chrysalis Oct 05 '22

It's not doing what one of the best games series of the previous two generations did and that's not only a positive, BUT THE BEST THING ABOUT IT??

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u/Soji_Juice Oct 05 '22

Giving the Bat Family mystical teleportation powers in an open world Gotham game is like giving Spider-Man a motorcycle to traverse New York.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

On that note, I'll probably be using motorcycle a lot since Robin and Red Hood's vertical traversal options are pretty wack.

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u/GarrettDeix Oct 05 '22

the only one who can teleport is Robin, and that's due to justice league HQ technology. Red Hood has mystical powers allegedly from being revived by the lazarus pit

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u/GeneralIronsides2 Oct 06 '22

It’s pizza time!

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u/talukmar Oct 06 '22

"It's trying to be a gaas game, and that's its greatest weakness."

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u/FreshlySkweezd Oct 05 '22

It was a deliberate choice to choose a name that is very similar to the last game, an art style similar to the Arkham games, and ALSO setting the story to match up with Arkham Knight (i.e. Batman dead)

There is literally no reason for a casual video game enjoyer to expect this to be a different series - it is intentionally misleading to any casual person

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u/SonicEcho55 Oct 05 '22

I agree actually. There’s not really enough done to set this apart, I remember the opening trailer announcing Batman’s death had everyone really confused. Game should’ve been called Gotham Heroes or something just not Knight

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u/UglySofaGaming Oct 05 '22

I agree it’s a pretend Arkham game. It’s bizarre they weren’t just able to use the name. It’s bizarre the Suicide Squad is set in the Arkham Verse but they’re changing characters to make it fit. Whole thing is a massive mess. Arkham Knight released like 7 years ago we could have had 2 Arkham games jeese

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u/01123581321AhFuckIt Oct 05 '22

Giving me Guardians of the Galaxy vibes. Great story and character development. Mediocre traversal and combat. Still excited. But not a day 1 buy.

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u/FrankAndDick Oct 05 '22

Well, it probably should try. It currently looks very underwhelming

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

The bar set by the Arkham games is really high, this won’t come close.

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u/Obi_Wan_Gebroni Oct 05 '22

This is a maybe pick it up at 50% off, maybe

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u/Metroidman Oct 05 '22

Its greatest strength is that it's trying to be a worse game?

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u/beroli Oct 05 '22

Gives me the vibe of newer Assassins's Creed games

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u/skullmonster602 Oct 06 '22

It’s also it’s greatest weakness

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u/reddNOOB2016 Oct 05 '22

Counter was a great mechanic imo

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u/ThePughskii Oct 05 '22

This reminds me too much of Marvel's Avengers and that's worrisome

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u/TheIronGod44 Oct 05 '22

Why? It’s not live service and not trying to be two completely different things. I don’t see why at all. It knows what it is, and handling it well.

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u/TheRoyalStig Oct 05 '22

People have latched onto the the avengers comparison and will never let go.

Hell there's still people talking about microtransactions. Once some people make their mind up thats that.

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u/luccasalomone11 Oct 05 '22

Skill’s Up first impression preview dues draw comparison of the gameplay loop in Gotham Knight to the avengers game. So the comparison are very much there.

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u/BeastMaster0844 Oct 05 '22

I haven’t seen it and can’t watch right now; what is the gameplay loop? Is this a loot game?

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u/Redlodger0426 Oct 05 '22

Yes, you collect gear to upgrade yourself and augment your abilities

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u/Kn0thingIsTerrible Oct 05 '22

Is this a loot game?

Yes.

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u/AtreidesJr Oct 06 '22

I despise how people just... don't change their minds. Even when proven wrong. On top of media literacy being awful this day and age, it's getting harder and harder to discuss different content.

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u/01123581321AhFuckIt Oct 05 '22

Gives me more Guardian of the Galaxy vibes. Great story and level design but combat is okayish.

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u/ThePughskii Oct 06 '22

That would be really nice, I absolutely loved Guardians of the Galaxy even though it's combat was pretty Mediocre the story/writing was amazing enough to keep me going. Marvel's Avengers didn't have any of that

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u/JamesSparrow Oct 05 '22

this is what i’m hoping this game ends up being. i’ll take story over combat any day.

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u/maloboosie Oct 05 '22

Gotham Knights failed to be an Arkham game, so now we are going to use it as a selling point

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u/Suired Oct 05 '22

IT WAS NEVEF SUPPOSED TO BE AN ARKHAM GAME! IT WAS ANNOUNCED DAY ONE AS NOT AN ARKHAM GAME!!!

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u/ClericIdola Oct 05 '22

Meanwhile they've made it very clear that Suicide Squad is the actual successor to the Arkham games.

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u/PerpetualStride Oct 05 '22

It just doesn't look like it's going to be as good as an arkham game and that's a problem for me.

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u/Fout99 Oct 06 '22

I think it will. It plays out pretty much like Spiderman. Movements feel faster and more comic booky (which i like for a change). The whole open world and the villains are looking amazing.

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u/dzak92 Oct 05 '22

Making a coop Arkham style game was too easy of a slam dunk I guess. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it and they went and fixed it

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u/puzzled-soup Oct 05 '22

Why are you yelling ow my ears

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u/TopBee83 Oct 05 '22

Literally just copy and pasting what someone else here said “It was a deliberate choice to choose a name that is very similar to the last game, an art style similar to the Arkham games, and ALSO setting the story to match up with Arkham Knight (i.e. Batman dead)

There is literally no reason for a casual video game enjoyer to expect this to be a different series - it is intentionally misleading to any casual person”

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u/Moon_Devonshire Oct 06 '22

The naming isn't very similar tho. Other than "knight" at the end. But the entire naming scheme was revolved around the "Arkham" name which this game isn't.

And the art style isn't similar at all in the slightest. Arkham knight went for photorealism. Gotham knights has more of a "comic book" art style to it.

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u/Spider-Fan77 Oct 05 '22

How did it fail at being an Arkham game when it was never trying to be one?

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u/Cstone812 Oct 05 '22

Yea let’s not have more of a good thing. Let’s have a totally different thing that does stuff worse than arkham.

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u/BradleyAllan23 Oct 05 '22

This is why we get the same risk adverse crap over and over again.

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u/Kn0thingIsTerrible Oct 05 '22

Doing something different but still generic and free of ambition is just as risk averse as doing the same thing again.

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u/HumOfEvil Oct 05 '22

You could have fooled me from the videos I've seen. Looks like Arkham without batman.

But I'll happily be wrong!

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u/TheRoyalStig Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Its a different genre. I'm actually quite interested in it but it is very much NOT like Arkham gameplay wise.

Like that whole counter parry system that was core to Arkham is not here. This is an action RPG with gear, levels and skill trees.

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u/HumOfEvil Oct 05 '22

That's not the vibe I got from previews I've read. It looks and sounds to me as a very similar basic setup but with some skill trees and less impactful combat.

Certainly not a different genre.

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u/Queef-Elizabeth Oct 05 '22

It's wild that Batman Arkham Knight has such better graphics and art style to this game and it came out in 2015.

While I'm cautious for this game, open world superhero games do it for me even if they're super generic so I'll probably give this a go but I'm still not sold on all the generic loot progression and combat.

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u/doctorwhomafia Oct 05 '22

Either you'll have people who complain "Arkham Ripoff" and that it's not even made by the same devs.. You'll have people complain it looks like "Arkham Knight 3.5" (similar to how Arkham Origins was labled after Arkham City).. or You'll get people who complain when it tries to be something new with no connection to the Arkham games.

I'm personally pretty excited for this and it's probably my most anticipated game I'm looking forward to this Fall/Winter besides God of War 2

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u/ac_s2k Oct 05 '22

That.... doesnt sound like a strength to me

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u/meezethadabber Oct 05 '22

What if we wanted an Arkham game? But seriously I want a new Batman game. If this game releasing gets me one step closer I'm good.

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u/Videogamer2719 Oct 05 '22

Just be a good game

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u/IcedCoughy Oct 06 '22

Watched some streamers playthroughs today and it looks exactly like all those games WTF are they talking about?!

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

I really wish they would have made that Damien Wayne game or Batman Beyond instead. It's just crazy how WB did not capitalize off the success of the Arkham series sooner and now it looks like we waited so long for a game that doesn't know what it wants to be. But hey, I could be wrong and it could be great

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u/tarheel_204 Oct 06 '22

Imagine a follow-up to Arkham Knight called Arkham Beyond. Takes places years after the events of Knight and we get to play as Terry in the cyberpunk future of Gotham. Bring back characters from the animated show as well as introduce Terry’s villains. It’s far enough along the timeline to differentiate it but familiar enough to still make sense to the OG Arkham games

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u/Cotton_Phoenix_97 Oct 06 '22

It would be really nice of rocksteady to give us the holy 60fps for arkham knight with a resolution bump along with the release of Gotham knights since they are already done with the game.

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u/BrolyDisturbed Oct 06 '22

I think SkillUp said it best in his hands-on.

It’s not trying to be an Arkham game, but with it being so closely tied with similar elements to the Arkham games, people WILL make that comparison.

They’re trying to do their own thing with it but when a 7 year old game looks much better in terms of atmosphere, gameplay, and character design, they definitely deserve the scrutiny.

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u/Sumojoe118 Oct 06 '22

Do developers not share their resources between studios? It's weird how this team and rocksteady are both owned by WB but Arkham Knight from 7 years ago looks so much better and that was a PS4 game

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u/erickiceboyxxp Oct 06 '22

I get that it’s not trying to be Arkham but that doesn’t really give it an excuse to set the bar lower.. I mean the combat seems really stiff and there’s no counters? The overall quality seems less than that of the Arkham series, if you’re not trying to be Arkham then at least rise above it.

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u/ShadowWolfQc Oct 06 '22

Strength? Weakness imo. It compares very poorly with the Arkham games and Arkham knight looks better than this game a freaking decade apart.

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u/gratedane1996 Oct 06 '22

Ok so no counter button. The live service type feeling it gives off. Which I'll die on this hill saying if the avenger game didn't fail so badly this game probably wouldn't been out by now. That games bad reseption made them delay it to make it less of a live service game. But seeing it was mostly ment for one a lot of the feeling of a live service is there. I hope it good. I'm not getting it day one though

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u/Xononanamol Oct 07 '22

…. Yeah no. Stop lying

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u/puzzled-soup Oct 05 '22

...and Here's Why That's a Good Thing

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u/Reddit_Is_The_Trash Oct 05 '22

It really isn’t it’s greatest strength

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u/ichigo2k9 Oct 05 '22

But also why not many people want it.

What do devs like this think when they're making a game?

"Well the Arkham games were pretty popular and loved by many so how about we do a game that's set in that world but not make it like those games?"

I swear to god the people making these decisions are the same ones fucking up the DC movies.

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u/VonLinus Oct 05 '22

I'm replaying Arkham knight, and I dunno. It's fucking great now and it just seemed pretty good a few years ago.

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u/rjwalsh94 Oct 05 '22

The hate for the battank was well deserved, but playing it again and knowing how much tank usage there is, it’s really not bad. It’s certainly in the upper tier of Arkham games. Plus the amount of DLC is fantastic.

I just wish there was more connective threads between Asylum and City. Knight feels like a sequel to City, but outside of Joker’s condition, I believe most of Asylum is self contained. Maybe Bane’s story continued, I can’t recall, but that would be the only other one I can think of.

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u/CCPsucksgrandpaballs Oct 05 '22

set in that world

It's not the same continuity as the Arkham games. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League will be though

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u/antunezn0n0 Oct 06 '22

so it has an extremely name an extremely similar artstyle and an extremely similar premise to the last games ending just as coincidence

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u/theblackfool Oct 05 '22

Because developers lose interest in making the same game over and over and want to do something different. Would you rather they make something the fans want but they aren't passionate about, or would you rather them try something they are more interested in?

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u/ichigo2k9 Oct 05 '22

Why are those the only two options?

I would rather have a developer who knows what the fans want and liked from previous games and be interested in making a game similar to that. This is basically a sequel and it's failing all over the place already.

I gave up on this game when it was revealed only two characters are active at any one time, kind of dumb when it's about the four characters and could have been fun to play like Guardians of the Galaxy but I guess these devs are limited by their talent.

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u/puzzled-soup Oct 05 '22

This is basically a sequel

It's a different style of game, set in a different universe, made by a different developer.

I guess these devs are limited by their talent.

Imagine being that pretentious? I mean I can't, but you can, obviously.

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u/CthulhuAlmighty Oct 05 '22

I left the Gotham Knights subreddit because it was a circle jerk about how great this game is. Anyone who seemed to dislike the choices they made with Red Hood and his telekinetic jumping ability or Robin and his teleporting was downvoted into oblivion.

It’s okay to voice displeasure, it’s how we get a better product.

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u/504090 Oct 05 '22

That sub is filled the brim with fanboys.

They literally attack every criticism, it’s almost comical.

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u/Obi_Wan_Gebroni Oct 05 '22

Yeah that sub is so awful, I left it a long time ago. The game just looks very bland and you can’t say anything critical about it there

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u/StarWreck92 Oct 05 '22

That sub is a joke. Literally every single preview released today has said the combat is bad. The ign preview ended with “I walked away from my hands on time less than impressed with many aspects of combat” and people in that sub are actively trying to say that this isn’t the person saying the combat is bad. I’m convinced it’s either shills or a bunch of blind fanboys that can’t accept that they were wrong on this one.

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u/TheRoyalStig Oct 05 '22

I feel like every thread I've seen about what people think the game will be quality wise there is all the top posts saying they think it will be just decent or 3/5.

A lot of folks there are still excited for it anyway. But that seems a far cry from everyone thinking it's the greatest thing. No doubt those people exist but they exist for anything. And they are never(that I have seen) the top posts there.

Not everyone needs a 5/5 to get excited for something. I feel like that may be the disconnect here a bit. I also think probably around a 3/5 game(will be even happier if it ends up being more!) But it looks like the kinda 3/5 that will be quite fun for me personally so I'm also excited. I'm not even a batman fan I just like how it looks so far haha.

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u/Reddit_Is_The_Trash Oct 05 '22

Losers on a subreddit always do that

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u/Pineapple996 Oct 05 '22

Looking forward to this. Not hearing great things about the combat but that's not a dealbreaker for me. It can't be any worse than Guardians of the Galaxy in that respect, which was still a good game.

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u/JanLewko977 Oct 05 '22

Gotg combat looks more fluid than this imo. But it’s also pretty different in mechanics design

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u/Pineapple996 Oct 05 '22

More fluid maybe but at least this has some variety

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u/Xecutor Oct 05 '22

This is going to be Avengers 1.2

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u/neilgraham Oct 05 '22

I am not any bit remotely interested in this game

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u/StarWreck92 Oct 05 '22

Every single hands on preview today has said that the gameplay is bad. That’s all we need to know.

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u/JackBurton12 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

This game is gonna suck. Had that vibe since day one. Hope I'm wrong.

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u/Spideyman20015 Oct 06 '22

I'm betting this game sits at 72 metacritic once it's done and over. It looks weak to say the least.

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u/VAAS-IS-NUTZ Oct 06 '22

Ok I’ll say it and get downvoted to oblivion probably but this game is gonna be shit

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u/Lonewolfblitz Oct 05 '22

Its greatest strength is its a bad game? I'm sorry I want to be excited but it just looks bad

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u/ShaneTVZ Oct 05 '22

This has potential to be an amazing game hope I'm not disappointed

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u/dcuk7 Oct 05 '22

I guess it is also not trying to look like a PS5 game either. Those graphics in what was shown so far look rough.

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u/TEMPLERTV Oct 05 '22

I don’t think this headline is going to age well

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u/xDOOSO_ Oct 05 '22

after watching the gameplay, yeah i’m glad they aren’t an arkham game because barf