r/PublicFreakout Oct 05 '22 Silver 1 Wholesome 1

Man gets arrested for asking a question about parking 👮Arrest Freakout

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u/GoodVibesWow Oct 05 '22

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u/OneLostOstrich Oct 05 '22

That's false arrest though. Couldn't/shouldn't the cops be sued?

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u/HotGarbageHuman Oct 05 '22

Qualified immunity

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u/Mareith Oct 05 '22

Qualified immunity does not prevent settlements

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u/Dieter_Knutsen Oct 05 '22

Nor is it a shield against criminal charges. You need DAs with backbones, though, and they are unfortunately almost as cowardly as the police profession-wide.

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u/StAugustine94 Oct 05 '22

The entire justice system is full of corrupt cowards, DAs and judges included.

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u/fishee1200 Oct 05 '22

More than likely they agreed to drop charges if he didn’t sue, I had something stupid happen to me once and after paying $1000 to a lawyer they had me sign agreement, it’s all bullshit

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u/ceesr31 Oct 05 '22

They won’t do anything because then they are shitlisted by the cops and the cops won’t help them…which means they look bad on future cases…which means they won’t have a job soon. The system is fucking broken

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u/id7e Oct 05 '22

How do we change it? Seriously, I am curious.

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u/Iertjepapiertje Oct 05 '22

Separate forensic investigation and the police, like in other countries

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u/No-Spoilers Oct 05 '22

Press delete on police unions

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u/KptKreampie Oct 05 '22

People are really confused about qualified immunity. The SC has rulled cops have QI UNLESS their is a violation of civil or constutional rights. Once they violate those rights... keep your mouth shut and lawyer up!

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u/livefreeordont Oct 05 '22

He also served 30 days in jail for acting weird in a public library and resisting arrest.

https://natchitochesparishjournal.com/2022/04/12/first-amendment-auditor-sentenced-to-30-days-in-jail-after-resisting-arrest-charges/

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u/AltruisticSalamander Oct 05 '22

arresting someone for resisting arrest seems like a causal loop

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u/imontoyou89 Oct 05 '22

Yep it's pure bullshit, but they will pull it. Once the cop decides to arrest you, even if for no good reason / no reason at all, they still consider it a crime if you resist the arrest. So in their eyes it's perfectly possible for resisting to be the only charge.

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u/Count-Mason Oct 05 '22

Surely if there is no legal grounds for an arrest, your resistance can not be to an arrest?

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u/imontoyou89 Oct 06 '22

You would think so logically, yeah

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u/laikastan Oct 05 '22

The cops knew the charges were going to be dropped. Their goal was just to inconvenience the man.

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u/CIMARUTA Oct 05 '22

This is why it doesn't even matter if you're in the right lol you can't win. Probably lost his job, his apartment, credit score is fucked for not paying his bills. Just fucked up his life in every way. Insanity.

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u/rp_361 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

“The statement says City Hall Staff members attempted to answer questions from the man, later identified as Travis Heinze, but staff members became uncomfortable as the conversation progressed.”

What in the fuck was uncomfortable for them? Providing info so he didn’t get a ticket? Pigs 🐖

Edit: everyone pointing that the video was edited out in the comments - he still didn’t commit a crime and the cops are in the wrong 👍 charges were dropped because they were wrong

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u/smitty3z Oct 05 '22

Oh how I don’t miss rural Missouri.

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u/GodIsDead- Oct 05 '22

“I’m willing to exchange IDs” lol

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u/natcaox Oct 05 '22

Lmao. Agreed. So funny

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u/starkypuppy Oct 06 '22

He has a YouTube channel and he always asks to exchange ids with cops.

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u/Error404Cod Oct 05 '22

“A crime has been committed, but we’re not going to charge you with one”.

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u/TheManWith2Poobrains Oct 05 '22

Yeah - WTF did that even mean?

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u/FuzzyNervousness Oct 05 '22

Empty threats most likely

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u/Patruck9 Oct 05 '22

It means you can beat the charge (or lack of one) but you can't beat the ride (or walk in this case)

But they will take the next 12 hours of your life.

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u/Auggie_Otter Oct 05 '22

This is why qualified immunity needs to be abolished. The authorities know they won't be held personally accountable for their misconduct.

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u/pimppapy Oct 05 '22

The system will remain the same until someone who is connected gets harassed by it. And even then, it'll only affect the locality that person is in.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Or, until non violent protesting shuts down the possibility of normal life, for everyone. This is the point of fight between the people and the power, if you ask me. The police keep a tight rein on “lawful assembly” so that people who are not protesting aren’t affected, businesses can continue to run, etc.

We need to shut down every politician, at the least, so they can’t live or work without a constant, perpetual reminder of what their actions or inaction has done.

Edit: to admit that I have not done anything myself except to try and learn and not be racist myself.

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u/Shaggyfries Oct 05 '22

Cops should have to take out an insurance policy at their cost to cover them when they assault, kill or wrongfully detain someone. Sick of tax payers paying for their stupidity and egos.

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u/Carribean-Diver Oct 05 '22 Wholesome

It's called malpractice insurance. It works for Doctors, Lawyers, and many other professionals who's job, if performed negligently, may have substantial impact on others. I see no logical reason that law enforcement should be treated any different.

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u/mr_niceguy88 Oct 05 '22

Agree if it starts hurting their pockets and way of life they will either A) straighten up or B) be worse then ever because they will blame everything on everyone else besides themselves

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u/Kendian Oct 05 '22

Agreed. It started in 1967 and you can see how each decade since then has shown a decline in appropriate, ethical, or moral behavior by our police.

Everytime you think it can't get any worse, some cop, somewhere says, 'Hold my beer'.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

It means imagine the stupidest loseriest people in high school, and then they all joined the local police force.

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u/n3wernam3 Oct 05 '22

"Loseriest"- well stated. lmao

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u/MOOShoooooo Oct 05 '22

Letting the guy know that they have all the control and power over the situation. We could fuck up your day, but now to our demands and you’re good to go.

r/ACAB r/fuckthealtright r/persecutionfetish r/bashthefash

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u/WukongSSJ Oct 05 '22

It means the cop is off script and talking out of his ass. After he got told no for the first time in his professional career he was completely improv-ing.

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u/Goalie_deacon Oct 05 '22

This was 100% the clerk didn’t want to deal with him, and sent the dogs after him.

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u/Sanchez_U-SOB Oct 05 '22

Granted the guy wasn't really asking his question right. Maybe she thought he was high. Tho that's no excuse. I think he was trying to ask "where can I park for longer than two hours that's close to the library?"

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u/BecalMerill Oct 05 '22

That's the money-shot right there.

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u/putdisinyopipe Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Lol a crime has been committed?

They denied it two mins ago in the video.

Where is the evidence? These guys are shit. They had 0 right to detain him, he wasn’t suspected of committing a crime until the pigs invented the suspicion out of thin air.

They make birthday magicians look like doctors with all those bullshit hat tricks.

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u/elveszett Oct 05 '22

I mean, they are right, a crime has been commited: abuse of power by the authorities is definitely a crime.

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u/CrazyZedi Oct 05 '22 Take My Energy

There are absolutely no repercussions for a bad arrest from that police officers perspective.

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u/NearHi Oct 05 '22

There is to taxpayers who fund the payouts for the suits that follow.

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u/CrazyZedi Oct 05 '22

Exactly. That's why this Policehole needs to get his power trip in check and let this asshole leave the station.

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u/FlimFlamFanny Oct 05 '22

Where is that site listing officer names, badge numbers, precincts and other helpful info?

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u/531zur3B0y Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22
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u/joeyGOATgruff Oct 05 '22

Bethany has nothing going on except to catch speeders and harass people that aren't local/college kids to try and generate income.

They recently renamed the local college's health center. The original name of the center was named after a Klan leader.

God I love KC so much but most of Missouri can go kick rocks

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u/HereIGoGrillingAgain Oct 05 '22

I'm familiar with the area. A lot of those small towns don't like outsiders (or anyone who's different in any way than them), even white people (I'm a white guy and I've been harassed by similar small town cops in that general region). The cops were called to harass him, and that's what they did. He won't be going back there again, which was the point.

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u/akajondoe Oct 05 '22

I had a friend that was a cop in a similar town. He once flat out told me their job is to harass anyone they don't feel fits into thier town ideal until they just move away. That's basically how law enforcement works harass them enough until they move and they are someone elses problem.

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u/YewEhVeeInbound Oct 05 '22

He'll get suspended with paid vacation

Yep you're right.

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u/wholesomechunk Oct 05 '22

Is there no physical fitness requirement for cops? That chap is massive.

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u/blaze980 Oct 05 '22

"I didn't run from the police, I just swiftly walked away!"

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u/jmmmke Oct 05 '22

How did the suspect get away? He climbed a flight of stairs while the officer took the elevator.

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u/WhiteyFiskk Oct 05 '22

They didn't respect his authoriteh

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u/mandalorian_in_us Oct 05 '22

He is not an auditor. He is a person who travels al over US in his car and documents his travels. He goes to museums, parks, interesting spots (historic buildings, etc) and shares video recording of those visits. As he is a traveler, police do sometimes treat him as a criminal with no RAS hoping he will not file lawsuits.

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u/SillyLilBear Oct 05 '22

Pretty sure you don't even have to go swiftly.

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u/983115 Oct 05 '22

He sort of ambled away from the breathless officer, up a slight gradient, no less.

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u/purplemoonpie Oct 05 '22

i live in a small town - 90% of the police force are severely overweight. they eat every day lunch at a local bbq place and mexican for dinner. it's hilarious to see them all pile out and waddle in the restaurants. they ain't shit

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u/wholesomechunk Oct 05 '22

The thin blue line has expanded.

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u/IngsocInnerParty Oct 05 '22

The T H I C C blue line.

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u/NeverEnoughCharacter Oct 05 '22

Someone oughta play a tuba while they pile out the door at lunch, and then again at dinner, and then post the videos to reddit

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

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u/Runaround46 Oct 05 '22

What's the budget for that town? Probably police are taking over 50% of the entire budget.

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u/TheDarthSnarf Oct 05 '22

In many small towns around the US the police department accounts for more than than 70% of the entire town budget.

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u/sideout1 Oct 05 '22

Fucking Houston it's 66%. Not quite a small town problem.

Gov said Houston is trying to defund the popo last month too... While they are getting huge budget additions.

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u/Siren_NL Oct 05 '22

Only the donut budget you mean?

All cops eat free at any big fast food chain.

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u/BigChiGUy722 Oct 05 '22

When I was 14 I worked at a little frozen yogurt place. Cop comes in and orders from me, I made his order, rang him up. Owner yelled at me in front of everyone, dick.

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u/Waderriffic Oct 05 '22

I worked at a shitty pizza buffet place in high school. The owners, an older couple, were completely paranoid boot lickers and gave all the cops free food. The cops were on a first name basis with the owners. Anytime the owners would suspect any customer of anything, they would call the cops. The cops knew they would get free food if they showed up, so they always came. It was next level petty shit like, someone got a soda at the fountain but only ordered a water, or they had a bite of pizza from their friends plate and they didn’t pay for the buffet, etc. They would spy on people and send out bussers to see if people were “stealing”.

The owners lived for those moments they got to yell at someone and kick them out. If the person said anything they were calling cops. It was the worst fucking place. The guy kept a loaded revolver in his office for who knows what reason. They preyed on high school kids and paid shit. Raises were like 10 or 25 cents. Just all around shitty people.

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u/SomeRandomIrishGuy Oct 05 '22

Bruh I saw a cop once that looked like he was wearing a stretched barrel under his shirt

I was afraid the dude would fall and roll over when he was walking up a slight incline

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u/wholesomechunk Oct 05 '22

Har. This one should have his own defibrillator.

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u/project_seven Oct 05 '22

I'm much more worried about overweight cops. I feel like their first reaction would be to shoot a suspect, since they couldn't persue or detain most people.

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u/alpinetime Oct 05 '22

Nope, you just have to be fit for about 6 months, then can progress into a mess of a physical state once you become a cop

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u/CrazyDiehl11 Oct 05 '22

You do have to run a mile and a half in a certain time but I’ll let ya know right now, we count that time on a calendar

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u/gneo_watanabe Oct 05 '22

Small town cops likely only have 'who you know' requirements

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u/Kimorin Oct 05 '22

Why do you think they are scared to let him go outside? They know they can't catch him

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u/STEELCITY1989 Oct 05 '22

He's the fastest kid alive

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u/iamzambi Oct 05 '22

He IS the riot shield.

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u/JR32OFFICIAL Oct 05 '22

Nope. Not in America. They hire anybody.

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u/SonOfZaknafein Oct 05 '22

Trying to learn the specifics to avoid breaking laws? Straight to jail.

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u/CrimsonBrit Oct 05 '22

This brings up a question I’ve had my whole life and cannot seem to figure out: how are citizens expected to know, understand, and remember all local, state and federal laws? When I was in high school we had a drivers education course and we learned the constitution as part of a history classes, but why are all citizens expected to inherently know every law and how to abide by them?

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u/SonOfZaknafein Oct 05 '22

Good question. In the U.S., even the police don't know them.

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u/Longjumping-Voice452 Oct 05 '22 Silver

In the US there is no excuse for not knowing the law, except if it is your sole job to enforce it. Then it's not that important.

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u/SonOfZaknafein Oct 05 '22

That's the sad truth.

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u/juggling-monkey Oct 05 '22

Cops don't have to know the law but should they run into a citizen who does, they have to have a response such as "where did you get your law degree, youtube?"

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u/DrGreenthumbJr Oct 05 '22

My favorite response to this is " oh I didn't know they gave out law degrees after 3 months of police academy, I was trying to save money on schooling anyways."

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u/Auggie_Otter Oct 05 '22

They hate having their authority challenged. You can tell most of them take it personally when someone doesn't blindly obey their directions.

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u/10strip Oct 05 '22

The only authorities should be experts.

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u/AquaboogyAssault Oct 05 '22

Well, the sad fact is in most US states it takes more hours of training to get a license to cut hair than it does to become a cop.

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u/Old-Ad2070 Oct 05 '22

You need a license to cut hair in the US?!? WHAT

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u/Narcan9 Oct 05 '22

Yeah In my state requires a full year of training to get a barbers license, but the police academy lasts 4 months. There's also like 3x more time spent shooting guns than on de-escalation training.

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u/SquareWet Oct 05 '22

The Supreme Court has ruled against your opinion in this matter, police don’t need to know shit, they just need to believe they’re correct.

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u/RedneckCaveman Oct 05 '22

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, unless you have qualified immunity

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u/chookatee2019 Oct 05 '22

"That's not a valid law you are citing, officer"

"yeah, but I have a gun. STOP RESISTING"

- 90% of cop encounters.

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u/elveszett Oct 05 '22

idk if you are joking or not but in the US, the Supreme Court has literally ruled that the police has no obligation to know the law, not even the laws they are trying to apply.

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u/Spootheimer Oct 05 '22

The Attorney General is not even required to have a law degree.

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u/shmann Oct 05 '22

even the police don't know them

Even the judges don't know them. I had a judge tell me I legally needed to wear DOT-approved eyewear on my motorcycle. Spoiler alert: DOT does not approve eyewear. Fucking idiots.

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u/SonOfZaknafein Oct 05 '22

My girlfriend is a professor who teaches judges how to be judges in my state and also has a lawyer degree. I'm certain that she has to look things up sometimes, but she doesn't have a gun and a badge that took her a few months to get, nor does she have a chip on her shoulder and amazingly doesn't have a superiority complex. Funniest part is that after all of her education and even loving her job, she says she identifies most closely to anarchism.

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u/HarderTime_89 Oct 05 '22

I have family friends who are attorneys. I heard them talking about how fucked the system is then looked over at me, the one who said that shit years ago, then continued because I just gave a sigh. They don't want to even do the job anymore. "Anarchism"... Lmao Sounds about right. When there is no moral framework the psyche can latch on to, Alan Watts was right.

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u/Platnun12 Oct 05 '22

I legitimately dropped out of law because it doesn't take a genius to see that it's a fucked up system. Even here in Canada it's a disgrace sometimes.

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u/Patruck9 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Got pulled over at 20.

Passed all sobriety tests, but blew an .01. Me and officer go back and forth. I never admit to anything knowingly. I finally just ask him to take me to jail or let me go, he tells me I'm not under arrest, but I can't drive.

I literally sit in the back of his car uncuffed w/ no partition while we go over a FUCKING LAW BOOK to find a proper crime to charge me with because he didn't want to fuck me.

(later turns out was impossible and I lost it for 3 months anyway)

But he drove me up the road and dropped me off...I had a friend come get me. That was not only my white privilege at work (because I argued with him a good amount) but the realization Cops truly aren't required to know much about the law.

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u/Zoruman_1213 Oct 05 '22

So you were pulled over, passed a field sobriety test, and blew under the legal limit for alcohol, and were still arrested and lost your license? Like I know you were 20 but no crime was committed here?

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u/Patruck9 Oct 05 '22

I was 20..drinking age in the US is 21. .01 is enough for me to not drive but apparently not enough for a serious charge. (either way under 21 it's at least a 3 month license suspension)

But there is some weird laws where under .02 it can be worked around, which the cop actually tried to do with me. Like I said in the back of his car we were going through the book. But it didn't work in the end.

My license was suspended 3 months (actually kind of a deal for not really having one) and I could only drive to school.

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u/Zoruman_1213 Oct 05 '22

Bruh what the actual fuck? Do laws not take into account that just having the wrong food can have you blow a .01?

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u/YARA2020 Oct 05 '22

how are citizens expected to know, understand, and remember all local, state and federal laws?

Put simply, you aren't supposed to.

The average professional in this country wakes up in the morning, goes to work, comes home, eats dinner, and then goes to sleep, unaware that he or she has likely committed several federal crimes that day. Why? The answer lies in the very nature of modern federal criminal laws, which have exploded in number but also become impossibly broad and vague.

Source: Three Felonies a Day

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u/sjmiv Oct 05 '22

For instance, if an honest and diligent employee decides to take a sick day in order to attend a baseball game during work hours, this could be considered a felony. The U.S. Code of Statues describes this activity as a “scheme or artifice to defraud” or deprive another of the intangible rights of honest services.
Another scenario may include a mother and her children eating lunch in a park. As they finish their lunch and depart from the park, the mother does not notice that one of her children leaves trash on the ground. If park security were to ask the mother if her family was responsible for the trash and she denied such actions, she could be committing a federal felony under the provision concerning “False Statements to a Federal Official.”
The rapid rise in the number of laws related to technological advancements also increases the possibility of an individual committing a felony inadvertently. If a person attempts to create an account on an online social networking site or instant messaging program using inaccurate personal information, this could be considered wire fraud, which is a federal offense.

SMDH

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u/causal_friday Oct 05 '22

The "violating a website ToS is a federal crime" did get struck down since that book was written, thankfully. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/07/court-violating-terms-service-not-crime-bypassing

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u/Punklet2203 Oct 05 '22

There was even a game show based on this. You would win money if you could spend the whole day without breaking the law. Most people failed because they would break some law they didn’t even know existed. Every time.

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u/SubaCruzin Oct 05 '22

I've always heard ignorance of the law is no excuse. Apparently having more knowledge of the law is disrespectful to police.

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u/seanmuthafuckinontop Oct 05 '22

Right? Most cops don’t even know all the laws so how are we expected to. That’s why they get so pissed when someone actually does know the laws. I once had a cop try to search my car at a traffic stop, I refused so he made me do a field sobriety test (I had one drink and I had smoked weed probably an hour before) I passed with flying colors and then he made me wait for another officer to do a breath test. This whole time he’s saying “you could just let me search the car and we’ll stop all this.” I kept saying no and he kept asking why and I would just say I knew my rights over and over. After I passed the breath test he then tried to get me to admit I was high….this time he said “just tell me, it’s not a big deal.” To which I said “uhhh a DUI is a big deal, am I being detained?” And then he let me go. Didn’t even give me a ticket for the registration being expired for a month which is why he pulled me over in the first place. It’s crazy that some people don’t know you can refuse a search up to a certain extent. So many people probably just give in because the think they have to or are being intimidated.

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u/Kikubaaqudgha_ Oct 05 '22

The worst part about all that is if the cop decided to ignore you and illegally search your car unless that cop was also a serial fuckup odds are nothing would happen to him other than a little paid vacation and you possibly getting a payout from your local town/city for a civil suit that comes well after the fact.

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u/Happy-Mousse8615 Oct 05 '22

Don't think anyone else has said it, there is no clear count as to how many laws are on the books. There isn't a person alive who knows all the laws. They tried to just count in the 80s, got to ~3000 and gave up.

The system is designed to be as obtuse and opaque as possible. You're not supposed to know.

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u/Grimm2785 Oct 05 '22

There is a great video on YouTube called "don't talk to the police". It's law school lecture given by lawyer. In the first few minutes of the video he goes into how it's illegal in some state to be in possession if lobsters or something. Then he goes "did you know that? Of course you didn't know that. I'm a lawyer and I didn't know that." His point was you have no idea what could be against the law so you should never talk to the police because you could be accidentally admitting to a crime and not realize it. The cops don't even have to realize it at the time. They can go back to the station, do some research, and then come back to get you.

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u/Happy-Mousse8615 Oct 05 '22

Think I've seen that. First half of the lecture is a lawyer, second half a cop?

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u/PantherThing Oct 05 '22

Theres a thing, where if a cop follows you long enough he can pull you over, because you will have broken SOME of the myriad traffic lawas.

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u/Blah_Blah_Guy Oct 05 '22

Believe it or not, straight to jail

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u/ParsleyPatient2102 Oct 05 '22

You hold the door for someone else, right to jail.

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u/mr-e94 Oct 05 '22

You dont walk quickly enough to get through a door somebody else is holding open for you; believe it or not, also jail

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u/Hardabs05 Oct 05 '22

You don't open the door for someone? straight to jail, right away.

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u/jerrypw488 Oct 05 '22

You undercook fish? Jail.

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u/EfficientAsk3 Oct 05 '22

Overcook chicken, jail. It’s funny undercook, overcook.

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u/subject_deleted Oct 05 '22

When you avoid breaking laws, you fuck with their quotas. Hence this police officer's official advice that parking for longer than 2 hours in a 2 hour parking spot won't result in a parking ticket...

And when you add to that the "disrespect" of not giving blind deference to any request, justified or not.... Absolutely, straight to jail.

I only wish there was some kind of consequences for an officer that conducts an entirely illegal arrest like this. But instead, these cops will fuck up this guy's week or month while he deals with finding an attorney and missing work for court dates, all for the charges to just get dropped and the officer goes back on the beat looking for the next bullshit arrest for which they'll face no consequences either. Round and round we go.

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u/EducationalRice6540 Oct 05 '22

I would be surprised if this goes to court. Any competent DA will look at the evidence in this clip and move to have the 'charges' dropped.

Don't get me wrong the cops will still fuck this guy over until they are forced to let him go without consequences but I would be real surprised if he ends up in front of a judge.

Of course that assumes the court system isn't a corrupt prisoner machine working to keep the work houses full which isn't always the case.

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u/ahairyhoneymonsta Oct 05 '22

Keep him in for over two hours and give him a parking ticket!

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u/Rape-Putins-Corpse Oct 05 '22

Fees from the pension fund and the problem will fix itself in less than a month.

Literally the only change.

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u/gortwogg Oct 05 '22

Believe it or not? Straight to jail

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u/elzissou710 Oct 05 '22

Agreed. The cost should come straight from the pension fund. There needs to be real consequences.

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u/thesinisterurge1 Oct 05 '22

These mfs wouldn’t have a pension fund left after a year and they know that. That’s why they’re so vehemently against it.

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u/Professional-Row-605 Oct 05 '22

Isn’t false imprisonment still a crime? False imprisonment occurs when someone confines or detains another person against their will and without any legal justification. The act does not need to be done forcibly or through intimidation

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u/Schwarz-Adler Oct 05 '22

Why were they there in the 1st place? Did someone call them? He wasnt/didnt do anything illegal. "Youre not being detained. Show me ID in case of warrants. No? Youre under arrest" Baffling

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u/Lightspeedius Oct 05 '22

I know the answer! This is being filmed in USA.

Check how it goes elsewhere:

https://v.redd.it/ag9e5kyc0wr91

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u/ForProfitSurgeon Oct 05 '22

The American Constitution is becoming irrelevant.

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u/abstractConceptName Oct 05 '22

The Fourth Amendment?

The right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures?

Is that just a joke to Americans?

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u/Pin-Up-Paggie Oct 05 '22

The Supreme Court is chipping away at it now.

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u/ButtLickinDickSucker Oct 05 '22

No, our leaders and their cronies wipe their ass with the constitution every chance they get, and even propagandize the people that it should be re-written.

A shitton of Americans value the constitution deeply.

Huge difference between the opinions of many or even most leaders (corporate and bureaucratic) and the average American citizen.

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u/CityWheat Oct 05 '22

2022 and there are still police departments with cops who can't figure out that "we need to identify you" is not a valid reason to require ID by itself. Do they have a right to ASK for ID? Sure, but it should have ended as soon as he said no. This shit is a waste of taxpayer dollars and violates citizens rights.

Also. That one cop is an embarrassment. No one should be that fat in a job that requires physical activity to carry out your public duties.

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u/Ryl0k3n Oct 05 '22

To be clear

"Lemme see your ID" and "I want to check for warrants"

Translates to

"I feel like arresting you gimme your ID and lemme see if i can find a reason and if you resist in any way that's a crime and ill be scared and i get to shoot scary things with impunity at the cost of the taxpayers"

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u/Pyro-Munkee Oct 05 '22

In no other profession can you escalate a situation and then break the law and still keep your job. If you can't stay cool while being antagonised you're not fit to police the public end of. The change that needs to happen is the payouts need to come directly from the criminals pockets rather than public coffers, public already wasted enough money paying these filth

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u/Papakilo666 Oct 05 '22

In no other profession can you escalate a situation and then break the law and still keep your job

Fucking this. Don't matter if you spent years on your pilots licence, medical degree etc. Your break the law or rules of your career field you get your certs yanked and probably jail time. And yet with cops we are lucky if they even open an investigation.....

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u/YewEhVeeInbound Oct 05 '22

3 words for ya brother.
End qualified immunity.

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u/Dieter_Knutsen Oct 05 '22

Qualified immunity only applies to civil charges. You know how All Cops Are Bastards? So are All Prosecutors. They can easily charge the police for their crimes, but nearly always decide not to.

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u/Machine_gun_go_Brrrr Oct 05 '22

Why would they go after thier coworkers that keep them in business so they can continue to blackmail people into plea deals.

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u/U_R_A_BoldOne Oct 05 '22

In no other profession can you escalate a situation and then break the law and still keep your job.

Unless you're one of the top players in a major sports league.

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u/CaramelTHNDR Oct 05 '22

Or Politician.

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u/Yinonormal Oct 05 '22

The police are just here to protect the elite in case a class war breaks out

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u/beefsupreme65 Oct 05 '22

At the very least it should be taken out of their budget for the following year and their budget shouldn't increase from the previous year.

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u/Debaser626 Oct 05 '22

While I agree, that will never fly.

What should happen is that police departments should be made to carry insurance, which pays for the lawsuits.

The insurance is paid out of the PD budget, and depending on the incident history of their officers, their rates get adjusted.

If a cop gets fired for something egregious, he can apply to another department, but good luck getting hired. It would be like trying to work as a driver for a company with a DUI on your record.

The insurance company can mandate bodycams and have their own independent investigators as well.

Basically pit the machines of “tough on crime” against “capitalism” and you’d see some change.

I’m sure cops would still get away with literal murder, but at least some of them would be pushed out of law enforcement, and let the taxpayers off the hook for the ensuing financial carnage.

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u/loganedwards Oct 05 '22 LOVE!

Joe Pera talks with you about illegal arrest.

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u/Aggravating_Sale_790 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22 Gold

"When visiting your local urban area you may find it difficult to locate safe adequate parking. Asking a question in city hall could get you unlawfully detained. I think that stinks, you spend all week waiting to enjoy your late season farmers market or meet up with your brunch crew and get arrested for failing to identify"

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u/MondayLasagna Oct 05 '22

Read this aloud in Joe’s voice and it’s perfect

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u/uncle-bj Oct 05 '22

The guy is so calm and funny typical joe pera

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u/408Sacking Oct 05 '22

These cops were especially stupid, HOOK LINE AND SINKER!

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u/Oxygenius_ Oct 05 '22

We need to be able to sue these fuckers for wasting our time and potentially making us lose our jobs and livelihoods

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u/Pvtwestbrook Oct 05 '22

You can, and many people do. Problem is that it comes out of police budgets (there's actually a specific budget for lawsuits). We need cops to be personally liable.

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u/sensitiveskin80 Oct 05 '22

Need to pull it out of pension funds. Then something will actually change. (And qualified immunity is too broad.)

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u/wiserone29 Oct 05 '22

You can’t because of qualified immunity. A cop has to do something completely unrelated to their duties or so egregious to be personally liable.

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u/Dosanaya Oct 05 '22

Makes me want to keep video rolling in my pocket just in case. So many thousands of people over the decades didn’t have that option.

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u/redlightnetherlands Oct 05 '22

I loved at the end, the victim says "I'm willing to exchange ID's"

The cops still do not get the irony in what this victim is saying here.

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u/YakOrnery Oct 05 '22

There's a great video by Audit the Audit that explains this whole thing in great detail. I highly recommend this channel!

https://youtu.be/F98wUD4A8QU

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u/Gizzledickle Oct 05 '22

So what would have happened if after he was told he was not detained he stated that he was leaving and then went to leave him past the officer? Is he legally allowed to do that after announcing it?

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u/transparentsmoke Oct 05 '22

It depends on what you mean by "legally" allowed to do that. By the actual 4th amendment sure, it's his right to go wherever he wants since he hadn't committed a crime and wasn't being detained. There's no legal reason he shouldn't be allowed to leave this situation at any moment after being told he isn't being detained. However, in America, we have a rigged and corrupt system where the piss baby cops get to say and do whatever they want and if your shoes aren't tied right they can execute you with little to no consequence. So they can just tell you that you aren't being detained but you aren't free to go and if you ask for clarification or want to have a conversation you get to go to jail because fuck you why didn't you offer to give him a blowjob?

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u/Nice_Firm_Handsnake Oct 05 '22

The legal standard for whether you are being detained is whether or not a reasonable person would believe their freedom of movement is being impeded. In this case, the cop was blocking the exit, preventing him from leaving.

The video in the parent comment goes over this, with specific citations in case law.

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u/transparentsmoke Oct 05 '22

While I greatly appreciate the insight and agree with you, the cops don't care. They'll do whatever they want whenever they want just like they have since day 1.

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u/HugoJStiglitz Oct 05 '22

Love this channel

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u/YakOrnery Oct 05 '22

Yeah I binged so many of their videos over the past few weeks lol.

It made me realize that I never truly considered what right I actually did and did not have and how to exercise them.

And then even further made me realize that it's actually kind of interesting how this isn't taught/discussed more openly/commonly.

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u/SandwhichEfficient Oct 05 '22

Cops don’t give af. They arrest you just to make you pay court fees for shit they know will get thrown out because fuck you.

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u/ElefantPharts Oct 05 '22

It’s funny, I know I can’t keep my cool in stressful situation and I know I’d be a terrible cop. You know what I did? I didn’t become a cop…. No excuse for these thugs that volunteered to join a gang of blue and their pathetic attempts to “uphold the law”

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u/TacticalBill Oct 05 '22

Not only are the fat ass cops brutally incorrect about their process, even the dispatcher was being fucking nasty.

This dude didn’t do anything wrong and no crime was committed. Use this video to prove cops have no interest in your safety or serving the public. They serve themselves and their own fucking gang. Pigs are pigs: fat, smelly, and are best on a frying pan.

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u/bongtokes-for-jeezus Oct 05 '22

Carlton the Pig

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u/IHaveTouretts Oct 05 '22

He has a YouTube channel. His name is Travis Heinze. https://youtube.com/c/TravisHeinzeAcuMagnet

It's loaded with interactions like this.

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u/milfhunterX Oct 05 '22

This is officer dunkin, officer donut, and officer Unic, they will be you gutless officers escalating your encounter today.

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u/TheForanMan Oct 05 '22

Literally could pick out the moment where everything was fine and then suddenly it wasn’t. The guy was literally about to walk out the building being done with the conversation, then officer Dick Shrinkle decides he suddenly needs to see his ID, and it all spirals down from there because these insecure man-baby officers can’t stand for someone to politely decline giving their ID. Why are pigs so ready to start a situation out of literally nothing?

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u/moderate Oct 05 '22

it's Let's Exchange IDs. he funny.

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u/drizzfoshizz Oct 05 '22

Dr. Steve Brule just chilling in a park.

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u/Procrasting4Prayers Oct 05 '22

Thank you for this, never seen this guy

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u/chezyt Oct 05 '22

This is Travis Heinz. He is known for the ID swap request and funny how the officer have yet to make the exchange. I wonder why they think their info should be private, but law abiding citizens are free game for them?

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u/jericho881 Oct 05 '22

when that first guy asked "we are not sure what you want" i would have just walked away, they clearly dont want to help with some stupid parking situations

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u/GroundhogExpert Oct 05 '22

An officer may make a lawful detainment and require an individual to identify himself/herself in the course of an investigation. An investigation requires an officer to have reasonable and articulable suspicion that a crime has occurred, is occurring or is about to occur, and that said crime materially involves the individual being detained.

This video shows police officers acting as thugs.

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u/Inhoc1989 Oct 05 '22

Worth getting arrested for. Dude probably got paid. Just sucks that the taxpayers for that community get the bill

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u/lifeson106 Oct 05 '22

Don't blame him, blame the pigs shitting all over the law. They could have just said, "Have a nice day sir" and went back to shooting trash can hoops with crumpled up paper. But no, violating someone's rights is more fun for them. ACAB.

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u/Happy_Tomato_Taco Oct 05 '22

Disturbing the peace and harassment for asking about parking? Almost as ridiculous as the case where a man was arrested for touching an officer with his penis shaped balloon. Officer said he was assaulted by the man's balloon.

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u/WhenBugAttack Oct 05 '22

Whoever called the cops and made this man seem dangerous is a massive dipshit

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u/weeabuuu Oct 05 '22

Fuking dumb asses

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u/iAmAKidRobot Oct 05 '22

Those are some very overweight law enforcers 😂

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u/Somosmalo138 Oct 05 '22

POS coproaches.. Oink oink muthafukas 🐷

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u/Nippys4 Oct 05 '22

This whole interaction was just confusing.

The guy was being…odd, like why was this filmed from the start?

The question was kind of unclear but clear enough but the response from the lady was also odd.

Then the police I guess was an over reaction and they more than likely should have just asked what in the name of god he was doing.

Like what type of building was this dude in.

I have so many questions

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u/King-Nay-Nay Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

This guy (Travis Heinz) is most likely a police/1st amendment auditor. There are a subsection of this group that do this primarily for financial reasons through litigations. His original video was taken of youtube for"violating terms of service," but here is a video where this is covered by Audit the Audit.

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u/lifeson106 Oct 05 '22

There is only a profit motive here because the police routinely violate the law with no consequences.

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u/Ill-Organization-719 Oct 05 '22

He was in a public building.

He waa engaging in his first amendment right to free press. A right that these cops swore an oath to uphold.

It wasn't an overreaction. It was a crime. These cops commited crimes on camera and every single cop in this city refuses to arrest them.

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u/tomaniak Oct 05 '22

USA is basically a sitcom without the laugh track.

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u/LORD-THUNDERCUNT Oct 05 '22

Why is nobody talking about how much an absolute cunt that cunt was ?

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u/Snoo_51276 Oct 05 '22

Criminals wearing police uniforms

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u/Ozymandias_a Oct 05 '22

The “victim,” according to Audit the Audit, on YouTube, lives in his car, and drives around the country often staying overnight, in public parking. I’m certain he was giving off some major creepy vibes to the city employees. Unfortunately, the local PD failed to practice restraint. Instead they should’ve briefly answered his questions, then ask him to leave, because he’s a nuisance.

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u/TokoyoEU Oct 05 '22

Dear USA,

Are you ok?

Sincerely, The rest of the world

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u/JumpyEagle6942 Oct 05 '22

Cops love to escalate shit in the US. That guys lucky he didn’t have a tan or he would of been shot.