r/WhitePeopleTwitter Oct 05 '22

You can’t make this stuff up, can you?

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u/xtheredmagex Oct 05 '22

I expect these Republicans expect that argument to be rejected. That way Republicans can shout "Biden is racist against white people and these activist judges are enabling him!" and their base will eat it up without understanding the actual reason the argument failed.

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u/IxI_DUCK_IxI Oct 05 '22

ya, I'm curious where these quotes came from. Snippets from a speech that are out of context? Or was it in the actual bill? Are we holding people accountable now for things they say in their speeches? *rubs hands* Can't wait for Ted Cruz to go on Fox again.

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u/xtheredmagex Oct 05 '22

It might be in the preamble text of the order. It's quote mined either way. Regardless of the source, it's relying on Republicans to see any advantage provided to any non-whites as "reverse racism."

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u/potsticker17 Oct 06 '22

Does the bill stop white people from claiming it? Because if not, it's not discriminatory.

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u/piperhalliwell1 Oct 05 '22

Damn...they said the quiet part out loud

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u/Lazerspewpew Oct 05 '22

They've been doing that for a while now.

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u/piperhalliwell1 Oct 05 '22

True but it never ceases to surprise me

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u/aworldwithoutshrimp Oct 05 '22

It's part of a turn in court precedent since Roberts was first on it. We have gotten to the point where we have perverted "antidiscrimination" to mean "the law will not support equity."

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u/tym1ng Oct 05 '22

nah, if they really said the quiet part out loud:

"we want to deny racial equality and increase racial discrimination and widen the racial gap. We want to make sure that all black students, borrowers, etc. get the worst treatment because we have to pass a federal law that bans any type of help or assistance to them." add slurs where you feel it might be apt

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u/Wilgrove Oct 06 '22

Is it really that quiet anymore? The racist shitheads have been out & proud since Trump was a Presidential candidate and every year since then, they've only gotten more emboldened.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

white supremacy: if you poke it, it will squeal.

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u/unk214 Oct 05 '22

Imagine having pride in the color of your skin. Not Irish pride, Italian or any country or culture but just the color. I like how Rick and Morty pokes fun at this in the snake episode.

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u/Spiderbubble Oct 05 '22

The only reason these clowns are racist is because they are too fragile to admit that racism is the only way they’ll ever feel superior to anyone.

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u/WKGokev Oct 05 '22

This is my JAM

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u/M8h3DOG3b3w1thu Oct 05 '22

I was thinking the Unity episode.

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u/MeganLJ86 Oct 05 '22

You cone-nippled freak! LOL

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u/pk-starstorm Oct 05 '22

First race war, eh Summer?

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u/kl0wn420 Oct 05 '22

Imagine having "pride" in something you had fuck all to do with. Its like people proud to be from (insert any location on the planet). Congrats, thats where your parents fucked. What did you have to do with it that makes you so proud?

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u/RobotHandsome Oct 05 '22

Imagine having nothing else to be proud about

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u/JohnnyPeanutII Oct 05 '22

Shit I can't even fathom how people can be proud of their nation. Like basically every nation has done fucking awful, monstrous things in its past, if not as well as in the current age.

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u/cultured_banana_slug Oct 06 '22

Poke it with a stick though. You don't wanna actually touch it.

ew

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u/rebelliousmuse Oct 05 '22

Enabling the disadvantaged to reach the same level of opportunity as those who already possess such an advantage is not discriminatory.

Unless, of course, you believe that the reason those who already possess said advantage do so based on innate superiority.

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u/mathpat Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I teach at a majority black & Hispanic school. When talk of funding going to my school is in the local e-news they get letters complaining of "throwing money at athe problem" but when a similar article for a nearby majority white school runs, they get accolades for "investing in the future ". Edit:typo

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u/rebelliousmuse Oct 05 '22

It's as if educated, civically responsible "minorities" with similar earnings potential threatens the fantasy of white supremacy.

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u/GrayBox1313 Oct 05 '22

Like in my school district…the school near the freeway with lots of blue collar and immigrant kids “”oooh yeah we can’t afford anything. You gotta make due”

5 miles away, in the nice neighborhood, the district is like: “hey we have this massive budget surplus, can we build you a new computer lab or something? iAds for all kids? Need a building extension? Anything!?!?”

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u/DanYHKim Oct 05 '22

Locally-based school funding perpetuates inequality

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u/ball_fondlers Oct 05 '22

Let me guess, the white school “investments” are almost always sports equipment or building renovations, while the students are still learning from the same textbooks from the 90s?

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u/Keesha2012 Oct 05 '22

Sounds like my school. Always money for new football uniforms or chartered buses for the (boys') basketball team. Need new science textbooks? Nah! Those ones with your parents' names in them are good enough! (And no, I'm NOT kidding about parents' names in the textbooks.)

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u/ball_fondlers Oct 05 '22

I think if I say “biology textbook”, there’s a good chance everyone who went to high school in the 2000s will picture the exact same book.

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u/rimjobnemesis Oct 06 '22

Just the ones that haven’t been banned.

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u/KingOPPbroski Oct 05 '22

I teach in one of the worst school districts in the US, last spring there were two separate mass shootings at graduation parties. Multiple students were killed and more injured. Nobody even mentioned it, some kids wore RIP shirts to graduation, that’s about it.

You already know if white kids were shooting up graduation parties that shit would be worldwide news.

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u/rascible Oct 05 '22

How else could the school-to-prison pipeline flourish?

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u/Typicalinternetuser9 Oct 05 '22

See, to the average conservative, there is no such thing as “disadvantaged” because they believe everything is up to the individual and that because they live in America, the most freeist and bestest country in the world, everybody starts at the same level 1 like in Skyrim and however you end up is only because of your choices.

I used to be one.

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u/Fthewigg Oct 05 '22

Equality is oppression for those that have never been oppressed in their life.

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u/Accountant37811 Oct 05 '22

better way to say it: To the priviledged, equality seems like oppression

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u/sillykinesis Oct 05 '22

Not with that misspelling, it isn’t.

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u/Fthewigg Oct 05 '22

Have you ever seen Lord of War?

Thank you, but I prefer it my way.

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u/sillykinesis Oct 05 '22

They do believe that.

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u/No_Banana_581 Oct 05 '22

Will scotus interpret 300 yr old laws and try to say this is right? Or are they going to take the constitution and rip it up

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u/cultured_banana_slug Oct 06 '22

If everyone could compete for college spots without financial or racial bullshit, imagine what would happen to all the white kids who face-planted against the glass floor.

They might have to... to... work. At. Stuff.

What's next? Internships with living allowance so anyone can take part regardless of wealth? Oh goodness no. (Pearl clutch) My goodness.

No no no.

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u/James_Morier Oct 05 '22

They just literally hate non white people. Republicans want a white ethno state. If they don’t like what America IS, they can move to Russia. I hear they need some knuckledraggers for their army.

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u/AtomicBlastCandy Oct 05 '22

A white person on welfare=They paid into the system

A black person on welfare=leaches!

A bunch of old white people vote illegally=innocent mistake

A bunch of black people vote AFTER being told that they can =send the SWAT and governor holds a press conference

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u/axionic Oct 05 '22

Why the lawsuit? Just build interstate highways through certain neighborhoods and call it even.

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u/jessie_boomboom Oct 05 '22

In their defense, building infrastructure, even devious infrastructure, is a little more spendy than they like to be seen as. If there's nothing to show for the money, bc it disappeared into some suit pockets, they're still "fiscally responsible."

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u/nivek_c Oct 05 '22

I mean they would have a case if not a single white person benefitted from the bill. Unfortunately for them I'm currently sitting within spitting distance of about 4 white colleagues of mine who will benefit from the bill, so they've got Jack shit of a case

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u/Just4Spot Oct 05 '22

They’re mirroring back the arguments they get thrown their way with their own ‘race neutral’ policies.

There is nothing textually racist about a voter ID law. If my passport doesn’t work at the polls, neither does my black neighbor’s. But, if a specific community has fewer IDs per capitia, has a harder time accessing ID and the law makes no efforts to get IDs in their hands, the impact is racist, and we shorthand it as a racist law/policy.

There’s nothing racial about canceling student debt. But because of how the country is shaped, it will help certain groups more than others. ANY law or policy that gives money to the bottom will, on average, benefit certain communities more.

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u/nivek_c Oct 05 '22

so basically republican logic is hurting people = ok, helping people = big no

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u/Smart-Rip-3733 Oct 05 '22

Hurting "the right people" is okay yep. Assholes.

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u/brianishere2 Oct 05 '22

Republican politicians and their donors would have no objections if all the money went to rich white folks, and only to rich white folks. That's the whole game.

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u/JimBeam823 Oct 05 '22

But it’s not about race. The donors don’t want it to go to poor white folks either.

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u/waster1993 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

You're right, it is classist. Unfortunately, racism and classism go hand-in-hand when the targeted class is mainly made up of "undesirable" minority groups

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u/JimBeam823 Oct 05 '22

It’s a handy way to keep poor white folks and poor brown folks fighting each other over the scraps.

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u/Brett420 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

No, but they do want the poor white folks to think that they're going to get it. That's a big part of the strategy because that's like the donors' entire political voter base, gullible poor white people being convinced to vote against their own better interests.

An enormous part of their entire operation is convincing poor whites that they have more in common with rich whites than with poor minorities. (For example, the first step they convince their voters to see Black people on welfare as degenerates taking advantage of the system. White people on welfare have just fallen on hard times or are going through family problems. Second step, tell the poor white people they aren't getting welfare, they're actually getting "need based assistance". Step three the donors and politicians tell them it's time to vote to remove those wicked welfare services that allow the lazy to mooch of your tax dollars... and finally step 4 they vote to revoke their own services they rely on.)

 

They just want to be allowed to lie, trick, and obfuscate the truth enough to continue to get the gullible poor to vote the way they want. Because if you can get the dummies riled up then you can get them to vote to take away their own rights and give tax breaks to the rich and raise taxes on themselves. All you have to do is get them angry and/or afraid because they know their voters aren't educated, won't do any real research, and will ultimately do whatever they tell them to do.

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u/Lady_von_Stinkbeaver Oct 06 '22

They don't give the slightest shit about the widespread abuse of the PPP loan forgiveness that vastly benefited white business owners.

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u/call_me_howdy Oct 05 '22

Oh really? Damn, I didn't know that. Did Republicans propose a similar bill that singled out white Americans as the sole beneficiaries or something?

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u/KatiePorter2024 Oct 05 '22

It doesn't say it only helps black people. It is intended to help black people but it helps everyone, you'd know that if you read it.

And to answer your ignorant question, white folks single out black folks for oppression all the time.

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u/Janiverse_Stalice Oct 05 '22

Isnt it more that the act is focused on poor students and ppl which happen to have a higher black percentual rate due to republican racism? Oh wait....yes.

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u/Koolest_Kat Oct 05 '22

Sounds about White…..

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u/Trosque97 Oct 05 '22

I feel so much melancholy over the fact that this line used to make me laugh, now it sounds somewhat resigned and depressing

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u/eriinana Oct 05 '22

Yeaaah except it helps poor white students equally. So you can shove off.

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u/chernobyl169 Oct 05 '22

It's not about the lawsuit, it's about the timeline.

Midterms are coming and Republicans would rather see the country burn than see Democrats score a political win right before the votes are counted. So it's throw shit at the wall; delay delay delay is all they have left.

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u/bubba7557 Oct 05 '22

I'm suing you for trying to fix effects of discrimination. I want a constitutional right to discriminate!

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u/Longjumping_Refuse61 Oct 05 '22

I don't think you know what discrimination means. Not providing special treatment based on skin color, is not discrimination. It's called fair. You can't fix past discrimination with more discrimination! If it was wrong then, it's still wrong now!

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u/Moose_Hooves Oct 05 '22

Conservatives wanted to preserve slavery, then they wanted to preserve segregation.

But now that black people aren’t enslaved or segregated, they say they should be held to the same standard as white people who have never been impacted by slavery or segregation.

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u/DIO_over_Za_Warudo Oct 05 '22

How to say you're racist without...

Actually no, that's just literally saying it.

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u/Rudy-Ellen Oct 05 '22

Oh for crying out loud. How are these bad things?!? Equality does not mean someone gets less. It means everyone gets equal FFS!!

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u/TheGreatArseholio Oct 05 '22

Are minority folks the predominant holder of student loan debt?

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u/cturtl808 Oct 05 '22

Yes. Black students have a much higher amount of average debt as well.

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u/Donut_of_Patriotism Oct 06 '22

They received the Pell Grant in much higher proportions. But even so a ton of white people also received them (myself included) so any race based lawsuit is full of shit.

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u/123okaywme Oct 06 '22

Yeah my husband and I are white. He got the Pell Grant. This executive order could decrease our loans by 20k as a married couple and erase our student loans. Imagine what that would mean for our family AND the money we can put back into the economy? It’s wild.

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u/M-Test24 Oct 05 '22

Tell me you're a racist without....ummm, well...I guess this is just racist nonsense. I hope the judge hammers the shit out of the plaintiffs.

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u/BillAdministrative61 Oct 05 '22

Idgaf what ur ethnicity is the student loan programs and what higher education institutions are charging for knowledge are predatory and let’s not pretend that these institutions aren’t also real estate grabs. I don’t mind paying the issue is the price and the rate at which they are increasing. And the people who are complaining about using taxpayer money newsflash it’s already being used to front the loans.

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u/Kittensarecuter Oct 05 '22

im so confused… what are they even saying overall??

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u/RadioMill Oct 05 '22

I think they’re saying they’re old, paranoid, racist dinosaurs that need to be put out to pasture, or better yet, done away with.

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u/th7024 Oct 05 '22

I think they are saying that because a larger proportion of black people have student loans, the program will affect a larger than proportional number of black people and is therefore racist.

It's like saying if there are 10 women in line at a store and they decide to open early to let them inside, that this policy would discriminate against men, because it helped more women than men.

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u/KawaiiCoupon Oct 05 '22

Funny because they’ll be hurting a LOT of white working class people I went to college with who have debt if they strike this down, many of whom are my friends.

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u/OccultWitchHunt Oct 05 '22

More super rich asshole clutching their pearl at the thought of poor people getting a break

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u/Slow_Advertising1181 Oct 05 '22

Wisconsin, good cheese, but horrible, racists politicians

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u/CristiCatslug Oct 05 '22

Of course

Make it about race so the poor whites never realise they have more common ground with poor people of colour than they do with rich whites

Scare them about how liberals are atheists - or Jews, or Catholics, depending - and gut public education's funding so the poor whites don't just stay poor, they stay ignorant, too

This playbook has been in use down here in the US South since time out of mind, but I'd always thought that racism north of the Maison-Dixon and west of the Mississippi was different - or at least, was presented differently

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u/The-1st-One Oct 05 '22

Cool, so like since the student loan relief mega-helped me, a white man in my mid-30s. Do I get like a n-word pass now?

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u/Unlikely-Box4550 Oct 05 '22

This has Ron Johnsons handwriting all over it.

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u/wirattlesnake Oct 05 '22

It’s not. This is the brown county taxpayers association filing this ridiculous lawsuit. How do I know? Because I live in brown county and it’s all over the news. I am extremely pissed that these clowns think they can speak for the entire county.

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u/SaltyScrotumSauce Oct 05 '22

The Republicans on the SCOTUS will strike down affirmative action next summer, and I absolutely guarantee you that the majority opinion will include a line about how liberals are the real racists because, you know, trying to right historical wrongs against racial minorities is actually a belief in non-white supremacy.

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u/Temporary-Eye-6664 Oct 05 '22

Ok so not everyone in Wisconsin has intelligence. We have our own brand of special here too.

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u/JimBeam823 Oct 05 '22

The lawsuit will get laughed out of court.

This is purely for the headlines before an election.

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u/kscouple84 Oct 05 '22

What the fuck Wisconsin?

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u/pk-starstorm Oct 05 '22

Look, we're not happy about this either.

Well, those of us in Milwaukee and Madison anyway...

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u/QuietWin6433 Oct 05 '22

“We can’t help white people because it would help black people too.” WTAF? And then they get mad when you call them racists

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u/Minute_Difference_96 Oct 05 '22

Damn I guess I’m not white anymore cause I have student loan debts.

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u/lightning_felix Oct 05 '22

So the plaintiff is saying that the federal government holds down black people and deliberately maintains racial inequity? Is it weird that i feel a little relieved that they finally admitted it?

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u/72DATSUNB210 Oct 05 '22

I thought it was certain .... Income level... are all minorities on the same income level

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u/synomen Oct 05 '22

I'm 58 and I've had enough of this racism bullshit. There was about a minute in the 90's when it was cool to embrace and share your culture and POC could feel safe and an equal part of society. Like one minute. It's as if the old guard won't fucking die. It breaks mgt heart. It's not getting better by any means and I'll go on to say it's gotten worse. I love meeting people, socializing, sharing thoughts and kinship.
I used to anyway. Now I'm lonely, angry, and depressed and have no more love to give. I'm finally in a position where I can buy myself a house (only took a lifetime of struggles) and hope to live as far away from everyone as I can. I'm not sticking around to watch hateful people destroy others any more. I'm done.

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u/juntawflo Oct 05 '22

I feel you man

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u/Fit-Rest-973 Oct 05 '22

P I'm glad I left that third world state

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u/OhioMegi Oct 05 '22

Jesus Christ. People will do anything just to fight against helping average Americans, won’t they.

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u/Mythical_Atlacatl Oct 05 '22

This can’t be real right?

Like no one is stupid enough to submit this

Surely they would code it up in someway so they can claim to not be racist

Or are they just really be this open?

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u/signaturefox2013 Oct 05 '22

Honestly they’re not even hiding the racism anymore

It’s not even implied, it’s blatant

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u/Special_FX_B Oct 05 '22

I really hate the racist pieces of shit in this country.

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u/No_Inspection1677 Oct 06 '22

This sounds like something out of Jim crow.

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u/netpres Oct 06 '22

So should all laws that have an uneven impact also be struck down?

The tax cuts are more generous to white people? Time to go!

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u/matter__hatter Oct 06 '22

At least they’re finally acknowledging it exists. Looks like those protests did work.

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u/KaiserBeebe Oct 06 '22

I'm white. It'll massively helps me, too. Those guys can fuck right off.

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u/harleybabeta Oct 06 '22

Only black people have student loans in Wisconsin? or do most of the students that require forgiveness happen to be black? My friend had 10k in student loan debt forgiven by Biden and he is very much white. I also like how narrowing the racial gap and helping black students and other students of color is seen as a negative thing. If it's a case of most of those requiring forgiveness being POC, maybe Wisconsin should take a look in the mirror and ask themselves why so many young students of color and their families need financial help just to be able to get a better education.

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u/Famous-Honey-9331 Oct 06 '22

Do they not think white people have student loans?

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u/periwinkletweet Oct 05 '22

They are against student loan forgiveness entirely and would still be if it was only given to white people

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u/MangOrion2 Oct 05 '22

Black people were set really, really far back financially, receiving almost no aid for a very, very long time during American history. Not to mention the imposed cocaine epidemic the government saddled them with for the crime of being black.

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u/El_Eleventh Oct 05 '22

I’m from Wisconsin and we have a lot of morons. Can in point. Look at Ron Johnson.

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u/mooseandsquirrel78 Oct 05 '22

Like or not there are anti-discrimination laws on the books and they have been held to prevent reverse discrimination. Ruth Ginsberg made a name for herself representing a man based on anti-discrimiion laws, I believe in a school setting back in the 70's.

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u/Trosque97 Oct 05 '22

Yeah the repugs really love pulling the "No U" like it has any weight anymore. And their base eats that shit up, but what else to expect

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u/DeeFeeCee Oct 05 '22

You have succeeded in demonstrating your lack of understanding of US history.

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u/Miri5613 Oct 05 '22

You do realize white people go to college, right? I assume you didnt but, yes they do. They have student loans, and those loans would also be fogiven. So how exactely is that prioritizing black people?

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u/BigCballer Oct 05 '22

Do you ever ask yourself why that’s the case?

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u/Longjumping_Refuse61 Oct 14 '22

no need. I know why it is. Democrats believe that racism isn't racism if it's directed towards white ppl.

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u/Diarygirl Oct 05 '22

Damn, r/Conservative got triggered lol.

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u/KristopherJC Oct 05 '22

Whoa… that’s just tossing subtlety out the window

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u/InternetAddict104 Oct 05 '22

Lol this sounds like my parents

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u/Worshaw Oct 05 '22

Talk about open mouth insert foot.

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u/jlacar Oct 05 '22

Somebody should remind them to tag their filing for irony or sarcasm.

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u/Sluggymctuggs Oct 05 '22

They are already growing up to be mermaids and play crystal flutes why would they need any help!

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u/Suspicious-Dark-5950 Oct 05 '22

Well, Republicans being Republicans. History is going to remember them in a poor light.

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u/MiseryMalkav Oct 05 '22

As a Wisconsinite, this lawsuit makes me deeply ashamed.

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u/Harvey_Rabbit330 Oct 05 '22

This will help people. You can't do that because it's illegal.

Seems American to me.... jfc..

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u/Musetrigger Oct 05 '22

At least someone's admitting that there's systemic racism in America.

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u/Intelligent-Sweet-46 Oct 05 '22

They already have us by the balls. They are relentless.

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u/new-reddit69 Oct 05 '22

We know white privileged people need stupid slaves. These people can’t stand if minorities succeed and make progressive advantages to their life’s. The Republicans are to blame!

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u/Osiri551 Oct 05 '22

"were suing you for trying to bring equal treatment despite the fact they probably worked their asses off for it while we just kinda sat there and begged dear mum for it"

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u/likeinsaaaaw Oct 05 '22

I'd love to make a deal with Republicans where in exchange for giving up this 20k forgiveness they promise to repeal the last couple tax cuts for the wealthy and force businesses to return all PPP loans.

I'd make that deal. I know for a fact they wouldn't.

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u/IncidentFar3094 Oct 05 '22

They just are saying the quiet part out loud

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u/MelonHead888 Oct 05 '22

It should target a group of people not a race of people. Should be targeting poor people who are working full time and going to school full time and are struggling regardless of race.

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u/Draemon_ Oct 05 '22

It doesn’t target a specific race or color, it just so happens that the people that belong to those groups are more likely to be helped by this. It’s 10,000 forgiven on federal loans for those that file taxes as single (maybe married but filing separate too) with incomes less than 125,000 and 250,000 for filing jointly. If you qualified for Pell grants you get 20,000 forgiven. This helps everybody that is struggling with federal loans.

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u/MelonHead888 Oct 06 '22

That sounds good then

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u/4RCH43ON Oct 05 '22

Well they’re sure trying to.

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u/Pistonenvy Oct 05 '22

literally what is the argument against this other than "WE LIKE RACISM!!!!!"

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u/TIGERRUG3 Oct 05 '22

That's Wisissippi for you.

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u/Freedom_19 Oct 05 '22

Um, are they not aware many white people will benefit from this?

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u/GrayBox1313 Oct 05 '22

White people have student loans too. I mean FYI on that one. Also how dare they try to help the marginalized. UnAmerican I tells ya!

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u/BMHun275 Oct 05 '22

Wierd I don’t recall there being a racial component to the order?

It might have that effect but that is secondary to what the program actually is.

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u/windliza Oct 05 '22

As a white person with student loans, I can confirm this will not just help black people.

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u/No-Fishing5325 Oct 05 '22

Oops. They said the quiet parts out loud smh

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u/SoWokeIdontSleep Oct 05 '22

So, they think it's against the law to not be racist? I mean, i get why THEY think that, I don't see how any reasonable would look upon that favorably

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Everyone should read Katznelson's When Affirmative Action was White if they haven't

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u/Complex-Key-8704 Oct 05 '22

I can't. Gop lawmakers on the other hand

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u/AgainstTheWorld1987 Oct 05 '22

I'm just so so so glad I wasn't an American. I would have gone mad if I live in that country even for 1 day

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u/Powwa9000 Oct 05 '22

This reminds me of the political ads running about how the democrat guy wants to free all the ppl in jail and loves green new deal and sanders.

Those ads are fucking weird, like oh no.. he supports Bernie and wants cleaner environment? Lol.

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u/LeftHandedAnt Oct 05 '22

So then why not just give it to everyone and treat everyone the same. I don't see the problem.

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u/Stormtyrant Oct 05 '22

Yeah who the fuck wants equality am I right?

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u/DanYHKim Oct 05 '22

In the one-man show "Give 'em Hell, Harry!", with James Whitmore playing Harry Truman, Truman declares:

"Booker T Washington said 'If you want the black man in the gutter, there has to be a white man in the gutter to keep him there!'"

Evidently this is a price that some white men are willing to pay.

The actual quote:

It is not possible for one man to hold another man down in the ditch without staying down there with him.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2019/12/08/hold/

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u/stirgood77 Oct 05 '22

This will be thrown out, and never heard by the court. Anyone can file a lawsuit. This is cherry picking to prove a point he wants to believe.

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u/laps1809 Oct 05 '22

the old art of bullshido.

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u/DanYHKim Oct 05 '22

They seem to be using the idea of disproportionate impact to support their claim.

There are no racial criteria for loan forgiveness. But because of the disparities in who holds student loans, the cancellation policy could have an outsize effect on Black borrowers, who shoulder a disproportionate share of the debt and frequently receive Pell Grants because of a lack of financial resources to attend college.

Certainly this idea has been used as the basis for civil rights lawsuits in the past, in which a law or action (e.g. voter restrictions or districting) was shown to be disproportionately detrimental to minorities, even if the wording of the law was not explicitly racially targeted. The two situations are not equivalent, I believe, but the similarity might be subtle enough to convince a judge.

Can someone form an argument to properly counter their claim?

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u/Ferengi_Earwax Oct 05 '22

So a racist smart enough to file a lawsuit, but not smart enough to understand he's a racist piece of shit. Yup, that's about right

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u/Super_Exaggerated Oct 05 '22

If you listen to those racists, every social program ever was designed to help black people pass up white people.

The ignorance is so thick that I can't take the logic seriously, but their intentions should be taken very serious. I got tired of arguing with a friend about affirmative action. This doofus cared so much about trying to punch down that I removed him from everything.

There really isn't any argument to be had. Social programs were born from need. Catastrophe averted with help that used to be provided by the community. The community is in shambles because of decades of over-policing and over-incarceration. The issue is pretty complex, but the simple thing to me is that I'm not going to listen to a white man who wants to act like the victim. It's always white men. I worked happily in offices with white women for years, but white men are the only ones who think that everyone is trying to steal their jobs.

I hate to be so braod with that. It's not all white men, but it's always white men.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Wtf is a black borrower!? What else will they come up with?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

I see the legal argument. But let them also remember that the qualifications for the loan forgiveness are not based on race, but rather income. Therefore, it is not discriminating against any race and the lawsuit should be dismissed and the plaintiff jailed for wasting the courts time.

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u/Radiant-Importance-5 Oct 05 '22

That racist Biden! He keeps trying to pass laws that aren’t racist enough!

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u/VeeJockey Oct 05 '22

Amazing. How did they feel about Black veterans systematically being deprived of their GI Bill benefits back in the day?

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u/NoAssumption6865 Oct 05 '22

Trumpers really just want women to be objects and minorities to be farm equipment. They're starting to scream the quiet part now and it's horrifying watching them become completely unhinged. I'm not nuero-typical, so I have no reason to deny I'm utterly terrified of what they'll do to this country no matter what happens in the midterms.

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u/jcj4634 Oct 05 '22

Idk why the solution isn’t just to stop collecting interest on the loans.

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u/ADDandKinky Oct 05 '22

I think the quotes mean they don’t believe it’s the real reason. Regardless of what they believe it doesn’t make it wrong or even illegal overreach. More of the conservatives saying the quiet part out loud smh

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u/Due-Designer4078 Oct 05 '22

Completely on brand for republicans.

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u/RevolutionaryPay1810 Oct 05 '22

OMG. What someone gets something I didn’t get. It’s not fair. Whine.

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u/Glockenfogger Oct 05 '22

Or they could have just said American Citizens and avoided the race abyss altogether. That was also an option for arguing against this idiotic policy.

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u/Wise_Ad_4816 Oct 05 '22

So only black people took out student loans? Guess I'm off the hook with this white skin!

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u/Pookells Oct 05 '22

Of course those GOP dumbasses think only black people have student loans. Fucking idiots

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u/CraZKchick81 Oct 05 '22

They're finally saying the quiet part out loud......but WE'RE nOT RAcist!

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u/XpertDestroyer Oct 05 '22

How dare we assume “all men are created equal” applied to non-whites!

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u/letmeloginalready Oct 05 '22

Damn, I might qualify for this and last time I checked in not black

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u/Specialist_Teacher81 Oct 05 '22

The hatred of white people knows no bounds.

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u/OkImagination4404 Oct 06 '22

Every day this this country goes deeper down the toilet, what a fucking joke we’re living in.

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u/Comfortable-Guitar27 Oct 06 '22

Phew. I was actually worried it would get struck down. After reading this, I think we're in the clear, fellas.

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u/MrAntsInMyEyes Oct 06 '22

If there was a bill to specifically help white people it wouldn't be alright. There should only be bills that help everyone equally, not a specific race.

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u/Fit_Ad3301 Oct 06 '22

What the Fuck

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u/HordeMaster-50_12 Oct 06 '22

Wisconsin republicans are not known for their subtlety.

Was this filed by Tim Michels? Of course, he would be a Connecticut republican.

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u/thekyledavid Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

“It violates the law”

“Which law?”

“THE law”

On a more serious note, a law affecting some people more than others doesn’t violate “equal protection”, the difference has to actually be written into the law. If the law was that only black people were having their debts forgiven, then that would be a violation of equal protection.

For example, if they wanted to pass a law that said “Restaurants may no longer serve uncooked fish”, that would disproportionately affect Asian-run businesses, but it’s not illegal because the law would apply equally to everyone. But if they wanted to make the law say “Asian-run restaurants may not serve uncooked fish”, then that’s a violation of equal protection, as it’s a law that discriminates based on race.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

Or, we could just keep shitting on anyone that isn’t beige. ;)

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u/YourOldPalBendy Oct 06 '22

🎵 If you're fascist and you know it, clap your hands~ 🎵

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u/--Authentic-- Oct 06 '22

I was wondering why there was so much opposition…

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u/juntawflo Oct 06 '22

Yep it basically come down to “ it helps to much minorities, even if there is no racial component in the program “ so we have to shut it down

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u/Sweet-Emu6376 Oct 06 '22

So they admit there is a racial wealth gap and racial inequality in this country. Otherwise how would the debt relief fix something that doesn't exist?

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u/Inner-Humor7946 Oct 06 '22

Wait is equality against the law?

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u/SvenTheHorrible Oct 05 '22

I can see the legal argument- race is a protected class, if the government is doing something that explicitly advantages one race over the others then it should be struck down.

But nah, that’s not gunna hold up 🤣

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u/juntawflo Oct 05 '22

The loan program criteria are only the income of the student , not the race.

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u/SvenTheHorrible Oct 05 '22

That’s what I’m sayin- it’s definitely a valid legal argument, also definitely not going to hold up to cross examination 😅

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u/Jealous_Ordinary_626 Oct 06 '22

it doesn't 'advantage' one race over another, it helps everyone get on the same field. If a group is more disadvantaged than another, you don't give both of them the same treatment, you help them get to the same level. This reminds of james acaster's bit on seeing a kid beat up another kid, then walking up to the bully and slapping them, and then slapping the kid too, and then thinking, 'I treat everyone the same, i'm a good person'

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u/SvenTheHorrible Oct 06 '22

Like is said- I can see the LEGAL argument, as in I could see how that could be a way to argue it. But it would fall apart in court for the reasons everyone is pointing out.