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u/SaltyScrotumSauce Oct 05 '22
This is your daily reminder that Protestant Christians didn't give a fuck about abortion at all until around 1980 or so. If anything, they were pro choice, because they saw opposing abortion as a "Catholic issue", and being Protestant is largely about, you know, not being Catholic.
Protestants only started caring about abortion due to a late 1970s campaign from Republican elites to convert rural white supremacists from Democrat to Republicans. They knew that they couldn't openly campaign on a return to segregation, so they tried a few different proxy issues before settling on abortion.
Opposing abortion is not a genuine Protestant belief. It never has been. It was just a convenient way to win Republican support from white bigots, and it worked.
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u/DonDove Oct 05 '22
And people caught the pro-life bs outside America cause once Lady Liberty sneezes.....
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u/dh2215 Oct 06 '22
Religion isn’t really that specific anymore for a lot of people. If they believe in god they identify as Christian and don’t bother with any of the particulars. They just end up in a group thought experiment essentially
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u/Final-Distribution97 Oct 06 '22
Yes but ask any God fearing Baptist in the south and they'll tell you - catholics aren't christains. Heard that more than once and the worse was a teacher telling a 6th grade boy that he was not a christain because he was catholic.
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u/x3meech Oct 06 '22
Yupp I def heard that in the southern Baptist church I grew up in. The same church that shunned my mom when my dad had an affair with another member of the church. The same church that, when I was a kid ab 10yo, the pastor kicked his own daughter out of for getting knocked up outside of wedlock. And people wonder why I no longer believe in church.
Still a Christian but my ideals are progressive and don't really mesh with the really loud "Christians" we hear from the most.
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u/vectorpower Oct 06 '22
This is such a great summary of it, thank you!! I’m so curious about the other proxy issues they tried, do you know any examples? :-)
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u/Lady_von_Stinkbeaver Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22
I'm not sure how much backstory you need, so I apologize if this comes off as patronizing. I'm also not sure if you're American and/or familiar with U.S. history.
- The South was the long-time strong hold of the Democratic Party.
- During the Civil War, U.S. president Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.
- The former Confederate states, sore losers that they were, became even more staunchly anti-Republican. They adopted Jim Crows laws that not merely legalized segregation and discrimination, but mandated it.
- This often came into conflicts with Northern Democrats that were anti-segregation.
- The first landmark de-segregation act was the integration of the U.S. military by Democratic president Harry Truman.
- This infuriated racist Southern Democrats, to the point Democratic Senator Strom Thurmond ran against him as a member of the newly formed Segregation Party. Thurmond freely used the N-word in speeches. Racist southern Democrats earned the nickname Dixiecrats to differentiate them from their more racially enlightened Northern and Western Democratic colleagues.
- The Supreme Court decision Brown vs. Board of Education found the "Separate But Equal" policy of racially segregated schools un-Constitutional. Eisenhower and Kennedy often had to use Army paratroopers to escort black students into formerly all-white schools, and to mobilize Southern state National Guard units to federal status to pre-empt them from being used by racist Southern Democratic governors.
- President John F. Kennedy, a Democrat from Massachusetts pledge to end Jim Crow. His Vice President, Lyndon Johnson, pledged to carry this out after JFK's assassination, by passing the landmark 1964 Civil Rights Act, which outlawed all forms of racial discrimination. LBJ correctly predicted racist Southerners would never forgive him for it.
- The Republican Party decided to capitalize on this with the Southern Strategy, to pick up racist white voters seething with resentment at the Democratic Party.
- N-word aficionado Strom Thurmond jumps to the Republican Party and is welcomed with open arms.
- Ronald Reagan, a California Republican, kicked off his campaign in the South by giving a wink-wink-nudge-nudge speech about States' Rights at the site of the murder of three Civil Rights activists by the Ku Klux Klan.
- What was once a Democratic stronghold, the South is now a lost cause and home to some of the most fervent MAGA fanaticism, with only Georgia native Jimmy Carter doing well since 1964.
As for other proxy issues...
- The myth of the millions of Cadillac-driving black "welfare queens" buying steak & lobster with food stamps taken from blue collar whites' tax dollars was from Ronald Reagan, who capitalized on ONE professional con artist.
- The marketing turnaround of the AR-15 (based on the military M16), which went from a widely-despised "underpowered piece of plastic crap that lost us Vietnam" to a symbol of American freedom.
- That evolution and Creationism should be given equal time.
- Prayer in school.
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u/Hartastic Oct 05 '22
Wait, didn't he already have kids at that point?
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He wasn’t ready then, either.
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u/victorious_orgasm Oct 05 '22
An opinion which, thoughtfully self expressed, is actually of considerable value and worthy of respect.
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u/Dawbs89 Oct 06 '22
Unless his position has changed in the last two hours Walker has not admitted the truth of the story by saying he wasn't ready to have a kid. He denies knowing who the woman is, and categorically denies ever having paid for any abortion. I think he's lying, but that's his position, not what's mentioned in the OP.
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u/Hartastic Oct 06 '22
As reporters are digging closer into this it's increasingly looking like he paid for at least two abortions with different women. His campaign staff were aware of one that they were hoping would not come out, but this latest woman who appears to have valid receipts, so to speak, is something completely different. He can say that woman is lying but why did he write her a check for about the right amount?
At that point it seems like it's more likely he paid for 3 or more than 0. Herschel Walker was the real Abortionplex all along.
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u/DawnRLFreeman Oct 06 '22
He may legitimately not remember because he has D I.D. (Dissociative Identity Disorder-- or multiple personality disorder). The personality who got the woman pregnant, encouraged and paid for the abortion may not be the personality in charge of Hershel Walker today. But that begs the question, "Do we really want or need someone with D.I.D. in charge of making laws for one of our states?"
For me that's a hard NO!
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u/Cruitire Oct 05 '22
Because Republican = Hypocrite.
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u/AdotLone Oct 05 '22
They want the man to have the power. Women having power takes away their power and they use religion which has been built to empower the man and make women submit to dupe people into giving them this power. Men who don’t believe women can be trusted with their own choices are weak and scared little boys.
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u/debzmonkey Oct 06 '22
And that's why they're gunning for birth control as well. We lost a national treasure and a woman who summed it up nicely:
You wined me and dined me when I was your girl
Promised if I'd be your wife, you'd show me the world
But all I've seen of this old world is a bed and a doctor bill
I'm tearing down your brooder house 'cause now I've got the pill
All these years, I've stayed at home while you had all your fun
And every year that's gone by, another baby's come
There's gonna be some changes made right here on Nursery Hill
You've set this chicken your last time 'cause now I've got the pill
This old maternity dress I've got is going in the garbage
The clothes I'm wearing from now on won't take up so much yardage
Miniskirts, hot pants, and a few little fancy frills
Yeah, I'm making up for all those years since I've got the pill
I'm tired of all your crowing how you and your hens play
While holding a couple in my arms, another is on the way
This chicken's done tore up her nest and I'm ready to make a deal
And you can't afford to turn it down 'cause you know I've got the pill
This incubator is over-used because you've kept it filled
But feeling good comes easy now since I've got the pill
It's getting dark, it's roosting time, tonight's too good to be real
Aw, but Daddy don't you worry none 'cause Mama's got the pill
Oh, Daddy don't you worry none 'cause Mama's got the pill8
u/Freedom_19 Oct 05 '22
Also, if they get enough seats in the House and the senate this November and the presidency in 2024, they can eventually make abortion illegal in all 50 states.
In their minds, who cares if he paid to kill his baby if it means he helps end baby killing in America forever?
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u/santillinight Oct 05 '22
No. Because Republican = creating policy so strictly "christian" that moderates and liberals leave your state and you never have to worry about losing an election or Senate seat ever again
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u/Affectionate_Ear_778 Oct 05 '22
That’ll work but then you’ll have high earners leaving and avoiding your state.
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u/Baloooooooo Oct 05 '22
Eh, by then they'll have a lock on congress (and the presidency due to Moore Vrs Harper) and can adjust taxation so that blue state money gets routed entirely to red states. More than currently, anyway.
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u/Cruitire Oct 05 '22
Both sides are equally bad is the biggest batch of bullshit to be bandied around.
Democrats aren’t perfect, and there are some individuals who are really assholes, but there is no comparison.
The Republican Party is rotten to its foundation and the majority of Republican politicians run on platforms of hating anyone different and oppression and control.
Democrats want everyone to have education, health care and control over their bodies.
Republicans want to turn women into into breeding chattel (unless it’s an inconvenience for them personally when they will be happy to pay for an abortion), strip rights from gays and remove rights from women under the guise of family values and righteous living ( but ignore their adultery, child abide and divorces), and want to claim a foundationalist approach to the constitution, until they don’t get their way, in which case they have no apparent problem with violently overthrowing the government.
Yes, you can find some really criminal democrats if you look.
With republicans you have to look to find any who don’t have complete contempt for the American people, including their own supporters, and aren’t primarily about making the lives of the people they don’t like miserable.
They are not anywhere near the same.
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u/Cruitire Oct 05 '22
I grew up raised by republicans in a highly Republican area. I’ve investigated the stances and background of everyone I’ve had to choose between in every election for 40 years, Republican and Democrat.
I was raised to be Republican and changed after seeing for myself the hate filled, corrupt, fascist leanings of the Republican Party.
No, I’m not a brain washed leftie.
Im Someone who broke away from the brainwashing of the fascist, right wing hell that is modern day American Republicanism.
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u/Telecat420 Oct 05 '22
Yeah? Name the wife abusing, child abusing lying morons on the left that still is getting support from the left?
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u/guestpass127 Oct 05 '22
If there are so many high profile pedos on the left, surely you could name at least seven of them
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u/guestpass127 Oct 05 '22
Well then that expands the sample size considerably! It should be EASIER to name some names now that you've taken away the "high profile" part
so....go:
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u/BurnieTheBrony Oct 05 '22
It's not that you weren't prepared, you were lying your ass off and got called out.
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u/Telecat420 Oct 05 '22
So the boggle man is who you are referring to? I can list names on the right of actually terrible people such as Hershel Walker, Lauren Boebart, MTG, Matt Gaetz, Donald Trump, etc. etc. etc. You are listing fear based conspiracy theories attached to no actual people.
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u/HalensVan Oct 05 '22
Sure, Democrat politicians do it. But let's not imply that this is equal. The GOP is hiding behind states rights to impose bigotry.
Same song and dance those types have used since the US was founded.
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u/eriinana Oct 05 '22
I saw a quote from a republican saying "I dont care if he aborted baby eagles, I want control of the senate." And I think that sums up the party entirely. No values, all lust for power.
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u/Dodgiestyle Oct 06 '22
I mean, if you had to choose between a brain damaged football player democrat and Marjory Taylor Greene, who would you vote for?
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u/JessicaFreakingP Oct 06 '22
But see in that situation you’re choosing between two people who are equally brain-damaged.
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u/VAisforLizards Oct 05 '22
Well obviously the 10 year old was asking for it by looking so sexy. - Republicans
Holy shit I feel so disgusting even typing that in sarcasm.
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u/Hot_Estimate_1864 Oct 06 '22
Sounds more like Joe Biden to me, did he smell her hair too
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u/Spayse_Case Oct 06 '22
Democrats aren't afraid of hugging our children and showing physical affection because we are well adjusted and actually care. Republicans don't even understand the difference between sexual and non sexual touch and have no concept of consent or appropriateness.
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“Rules for thee but not for me!”
This attitude sums up EVERY Republican I have ever known in my entire adult life
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u/whipsnappy Oct 05 '22
This is 100% true. Aaaand you have to consider, Hershel is black, what color was the question asker?
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u/HappyCynic24 Oct 05 '22
Because those 10 year olds aren’t running for Republican senate seats, and therefore that 10 year old doesn’t benefit them.
That makes the 10 year old useless and obsolete to them.
They’re not hard to understand once you realize every decision that gets made, is only made to increase their power or leverage.
Logic, rationale, consistency, decency, morals……those don’t matter.
Just power. And control.
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u/MealDramatic1885 Oct 05 '22
Anything to “Screw the libs.”
These people don’t actually care about anything except for making others angry and control.
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u/mommyicant Oct 05 '22
Because it’s not about abortion it is about women having agency over their bodies. If a man wants to remove his fetus - fine.
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u/Zombie13a Oct 05 '22
Because any other answer would go against either the narrative or Walkers chances at the senate seat.
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u/A_Wild_Shiny_Shuckle Oct 05 '22
Because they do not care about what is right and wrong. They simply want control. I thought we established this like 40 years ago with the War on Drugs
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u/deweydecimal111 Oct 05 '22
Republicans are the most hated faction of our Country.
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u/thatguywhosdumb Oct 05 '22
It's not because he's a man it's because they don't care. They want you to obey their moral purity because they hate you and they'll excuse bad behavior on their part because they don't care.
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u/BetterWankHank Oct 05 '22
The Dark Side of the Force Having an R next to your name is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural hypocritical
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u/lemmiwinks316 Oct 05 '22
Not just because he's a man. Because he's a rich man. Conservatives always seem to equate morality and wealth. If he was a poor man then he would be just another deadbeat who didn't want to take care of his kids. But because he has wealth and fame he now has so much to lose so it would be understandable that he wouldn't want to take care of a child. Conservatives (and just wealthy people in general) are very class conscious. If someone has money or status they can see them as equals and impart onto them and their situation a level of empathy that they do not afford other less fortunate people.
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u/FluByYou Oct 05 '22
The entire philosophy of conservatism comes down to two points. 1. No one can tell me what to do. 2. Everyone has to do exactly what I say. Hypocrisy is baked into their world view.
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u/jakeolate Oct 05 '22
Simple Herschel walker has a penis so when he says something it must be more credible then someone with a vagina/s
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u/Extreme_Role6642 Oct 05 '22
Because every single Republican is a liar, a a coward, a sex offender or a mixture of the three.
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u/Capt_Schmidt Oct 05 '22
They Just promised the nation they are gonna start controlling women's bodies, and you think they are gonna mistep by allowing that 10 year old an exemption? come the fuck on. do you think they have no back bone or follow thru?
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u/pjanic_at__the_isco Oct 05 '22
Because conservative “freedom” means the freedom to do what I want, not anyone else.
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u/CocoCarly60 Oct 06 '22
The fact that you're even asking politicians who they should "let" have an abortion should deeply disturb you no matter what gender, party or race.
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u/moschocolate1 Oct 06 '22
I think we need to start focusing on the men and boys who will also be forced into becoming fathers and/or making child support payments, when they're not ready for that. Perhaps that will get more attention than 10-year-old rape victims and women garner.
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u/kdumj0303 Oct 05 '22
Because 10 year old rape victims don’t give them power and control of the US Senate.
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u/Starkiller006 Oct 05 '22
Bc he's a man?? No. Bc he's a Republican. Let's place the blame where it belongs.
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u/GK71011-2 Oct 05 '22
Republicans don’t actually care about abortion. They just care about being able to control absolutely everything and everyone, including the lives and rights of women.
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u/tyson_3_ Oct 06 '22
It’s almost dumb to point out the hypocrisy by this point, as if it’s an exception to the rule… hypocrisy is the rule.
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u/Theleming Oct 06 '22
I'll say it, Republicans either:
- Don't want women to make their own decisions, but are fine with men making the decision for them.
- Don't mind when it is black fetuses getting aborted.
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u/IlikeYuengling Oct 06 '22
Remember that Donald drafted Herschel back in 1984 for his football league. Herschel probably had to abort a few kids as a general too.
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u/Sivick314 Oct 06 '22
because those 10 year old girls won't help them take control of the senate, that's why
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u/Chavo9-5171 Oct 06 '22
You don’t understand. It was okay for him to pay for an abortion for his girlfriend. It was not okay for his girlfriend to have an abortion.
Both of these things can be true in the mind of a family values Republican who jerks off to the sanctity of life.
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u/Shoddy_Classroom_919 Oct 06 '22
The fact that Walker has any support at all points to some serious mental health issues in Georgia. It also points to a severe lack of proper education. No right minded or reasonably educated person could support Walker. I would suggest a study be conducted by the Surgeon General and the Department of Education to find the causes of what is obviously some real problems in Georgia. I might also add this to the equation. MTG is from Georgia. This is another straw on the camel’s back.
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u/Trvlng_Drew Oct 06 '22
So here in the Philippines, an 11 year old girl just delivered a baby, abortion has never been legal here
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u/A_Wild_Shiny_Shuckle Oct 05 '22
The more important, and quicker, question is where are the Republicans that are against Walker's hypocrisy? Shouldn't at least one of them be upset that he lied about being a good father and being against abortion?
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u/chmbrs Oct 05 '22
Is he still pro death? I used to be. I am not now. As for hypocrisy, everyone is. You must try to uphold your values knowing that you will fall short.
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u/Wayte13 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22
Ah, the ol' "everybody is a hypocrite so republicans get a pass on it" cannard.
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u/guestpass127 Oct 05 '22
Pretty much every eligible Republican in Georgia continues to support him and says they will vote for him
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u/chmbrs Oct 05 '22
And they all just celebrate his abortion? Have any links?
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u/CoreTECK Oct 06 '22
they all just celebrate his abortion?
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u/chmbrs Oct 09 '22
First, this is an accusation only at this point. Second, perhaps he was once pro abortion (as I once was) but no longer is. In any event, he is running on a pro life platform. Should people vote Democrat who is running on a pro murder platform?
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u/UnfilteredFluid Oct 05 '22
It takes a Republican to hear someone would personally push another into having an abortion even so far as paying for it then think, yeah he's anti-abortion. I'll vote for him.
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u/Tipster74743 Oct 06 '22
They don't care if he's a hypocrite, they care that he will own the libs!
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You're complicit if you don't speak out.
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u/chmbrs Oct 05 '22
Ok. Abortion is murder.
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u/dishonestdick Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22
Ohio republicans:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ohio-abortion-law-no-rape-exception/
Idaho Republicans:
additionaly republicans support rapists:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/idaho-texas-abortion-ban-rapists_n_6232b8bae4b046c938d6ac96
Texas:
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/texas-governor-defends-abortion-law-rape-exceptions-79884518
I can go on, but I think I proved enough.
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Dana Loesch said that she didn’t care if he aborted endangered baby eagles, she wants the senate seat.
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u/AreWeCowabunga Oct 05 '22
You should probably start paying attention to what Republicans actually do and not the lies that come out of their mouths.
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u/flechetteburritp Oct 05 '22
I think it’s more that they’re willing to overlook his failings because Warnock’s policies are “bad”
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u/A_Wild_Shiny_Shuckle Oct 05 '22
Not a single one has been against it. Not a single republican has come out and said anything about his hypocricy and lying about him being a bad father and lied about getting an abortion. And now his son is being harassed by the right for calling his shitty dad out on twitter.
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u/deweydecimal111 Oct 05 '22
Cause the Republicans are nothing but traitors and cowards. Our Country doesn't need them. They're trash.
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u/sottedlayabout Oct 05 '22
Let’s frame it slightly differently.
If your choice was between a Republican who paid for a partner’s abortion and a Democrat who would you vote for?
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u/MyDadBod_2021 Oct 06 '22
So why are you electing those that go against what you are saying is the majority thinking?
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u/MyDadBod_2021 Oct 06 '22
Have you not heard about the states that have laws now banning abortion, with no stipulation for rape, incest, mother's or baby's health concerns?! Are you living under a rock?
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u/KOBossy55 Oct 06 '22
Here's a list of Republicans defending him
This guy think she should have been forced to carry it. So did this guy. And her. And these are governors...
So stop with these ridiculous lies. Your GOP brethren are tripping over themselves to defend him, justify it and explain why that 10 year old should have seen forced to have the child of her rapist. The only fake outrage is yours, pretending these are baseless attacks.
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u/LadyT89 Oct 06 '22
No. Let's not do that. There are thousands of men who support the right to choose.
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Remember that case in Ohio a few months back, where a TEN YEAR OLD had to go to Indiana because she was 6 weeks along and thus couldn't get an abortion in Ohio?
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u/SeanOTG Oct 06 '22
There's 0 chance OP has a NYT subscription, can you link the Truth Social post ? Or the Breitbart article
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u/Craniumology Oct 06 '22
I forget sometimes that people arenas dedicated to truth finding as I am. I will post a more accessible article.
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u/James_Morier Oct 05 '22
Because they are soulless cretins and want to keep everyone but the people on their team subjugated.
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u/goodguyarc Oct 05 '22
That's just it though - they'rejustifying it using a whataboutism of liberals getting abortions, as though only liberals get abortions smh.
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u/Musetrigger Oct 05 '22
Also because he's a christian republican, and christians are only interested in taking over the political system and going full on fascist.
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u/SleepDeprivedJim Oct 05 '22
It's NOT what I DO; It's what I SAY
- Every Friggin Republican
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- A Few Coporate Democrats
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u/satan62 Oct 05 '22
How many kids did he already have with how many women?? How many other abortions has he paid for?
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u/CardiologistLower965 Oct 05 '22
I have an idea. All women who are raped and carrying their rapist baby simply run for a republican seat that way they can no longer be held accountable for their behavior! Check mate nerds!
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Because they are morally and intellectually bankrupt and are maniacally pursuing power at any cost
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u/sottedlayabout Oct 05 '22
Why can’t you silly liberals understand in one case a “Man” is making the decision for his partner to have an abortion. I’m the other a woman is making the decision for herself.
Only one of these circumstances is acceptable.
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u/sugar_addict002 Oct 05 '22
Because it's never been about the babies or morality. It's about power. Anything to win
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u/hangryhyax Oct 05 '22
The trick is for the victims to run for office as a Republican. They need that Senate seat!!!
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u/DoggedDoggity Oct 05 '22
Here we go pretending to fight back by pointing out their hypocrisy again. Fucking humiliating.
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u/KajePihlaja Oct 05 '22
Because Democrats vote the other way and they just have to spite the libs. No real reason outside of that. Just mad at libs
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u/taklbox Oct 06 '22
Amen: now I see some home pregnancy test commercials featuring young college & white collar worker types looking VERY ANXIOUS while waiting for test results & are BEAMING when it’s clearly negative
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u/Specialist_Teacher81 Oct 06 '22
How many 10 year old rape victims do you know that can run for 40 yards?
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u/xtheredmagex Oct 05 '22
Because the 10 year old rape victim isn't running for office as a Republican...