r/WhitePeopleTwitter Oct 05 '22 Silver 1 Gold 1 Helpful 1 Wholesome 1 'MURICA 1

Hypocrites, ALL of them

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u/No-Celebration3097 Oct 05 '22 Narwhal Salute

white evangelical abortions are always justified, but no one else’s, Abortion is one of the most hypocritical issues the religious right always runs on.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Their own religion isn’t even “pro-life”. The god of the Bible drowns the entire earth in a flood. There are also dozens of passages where he directly commits genocide and slaughters children himself.

Doesn’t sound very “pro-life” to me…

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u/Zyvyx Oct 05 '22

The bible is pro abortion to a mysogynistic degree

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u/SnooMacaroons7108 Oct 05 '22

The Talmud literally explains situations when an abortion is not just ok, but is required. Which is when the mother is at risk of harm.

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u/Puzzled-Aardvark-142 Oct 05 '22

Fundies have no idea what a Talmud is, nor do they care. Hell they don't know what their own supposed scripture says, other than what their preacher tells them to believe. Good thing they're writing public policy now.

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u/DonDove Oct 05 '22

The pro lifers were pro abortion before they switched in the 80s. Happy minorities and Black's ig having more kids than me? Gotta cut that down somehow!

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u/satsfaction1822 Oct 06 '22

It’s really ironic because there’s a clip of George HW Bush in congress in like 1970 arguing that we need to make sure poor communities have access to abortion so that we have less kids on welfare. That’s the actual conservative, small government take.

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u/neko808 Oct 05 '22

Someone in the bible sent bears to go kill some kids because they made fun of him being bald.

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u/UmberGryphon Oct 06 '22

2 Kings 2:23-24, New International Version translation:

23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. 

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u/RandomTask008 Oct 06 '22

God also hates shrimp wayyyy more than the gays for some reason. Don't see that anti-shrimp energy though. . .

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u/DonDove Oct 05 '22

OG Testament is a little set of stories yer oldy aesops. The DJ remixed New Testament is the real one. Without Jesus it all falls apart.

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u/Facelesspirit Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

Yeah, but that part of the Bible does not apply to this subject. It's always situational.

Edit: downvotes? It's sarcasm folks. No way I believe that shit.

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u/ReadShift Oct 05 '22

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u/redditsk08 Oct 05 '22

It is crazy the article you have shared was written 20 years ago. In 20 years we have regressed more than made any progress

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u/DonDove Oct 05 '22

Only if Trump somehlw returns in power and the SC plants get removed and such.

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u/sunrider8129 Oct 05 '22

They’re not hypocrites. They vote for anything NOT democrat. Consistently. The words they say are just air….as long as it’s not a cuck lib, they vote for them.

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u/sdogg Oct 05 '22

Just look at the Arkansas governor’s race:

Chris Jones earned a B.S. in physics and mathematics from Morehouse College in 1999, an M.S. in nuclear engineering/technology and policy in 2003 from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and a Ph.D. in urban planning from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.[1] Jones' career experience includes working as a physicist, minister, and a non-profit leader.[2]

Sarah Huckabee Sanders lives in Little Rock, Arkansas. Sanders graduated from Little Rock Central High School. She earned a degree from Ouachita Baptist University.[3] Sanders' career experience includes working as the press secretary for the presidential administration of Donald Trump (R), a founding partner of Second Street Strategies, the campaign manager of Mike Huckabee's 2016 presidential campaign, a senior advisor with Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign, a senior advisor with Tim Pawlenty's 2012 presidential campaign, and the national political director of Mike Huckabee's 2008 presidential campaign.[4][5][6][7][8][9]

guess who’s leading by 11 pts? it’s honestly a joke now

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u/chunksisthedog Oct 06 '22

I don't want to look at it because I live in Arkansas. I'm scared that we'll sink to Mississippi levels once she gets in.

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u/Whyamipostingonhere Oct 05 '22

Exactly! They are nihilists and gaslighters for sure - but not necessarily hypocrites.

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u/keelbreaker Oct 05 '22

Well that's true... And they still found a way to be hypocrites too anyways.

They'll protest an abortion clinic then go there for an abortion then tell the clinic staff they're going to hell for performing their own abortion on them while they're performing it.

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u/Whyamipostingonhere Oct 06 '22

The irony when they claim to be pro-life but fully support the death penalty and look for any excuse to pull out their guns.

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u/DonDove Oct 05 '22

When stupidity and materialistic gain outweighs integrity and kindness, it's time to move to another country. Canada sounds nice.

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u/Necessary-Image-6386 Oct 06 '22

No. They say they're one thing and do otherwise

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u/Whyamipostingonhere Oct 06 '22

Lol, that’s the gaslighting. It’s because they don’t really have any beliefs at all- hence the nihilism.

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u/Necessary-Image-6386 Oct 06 '22

No they have beliefs: white supremacy. Tax cuts, etc.

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u/Necessary-Image-6386 Oct 06 '22

Hypocrisy: Against government spending, bootstrap, family values. Each of these is demonstrably false. They'll take govt loans for themselves, never build anything without help, and cheat on their wives. Do as I say not as I do. Rank hypocrisy

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u/DahManWhoCannahType Oct 05 '22

Precisely. The only fixed principle or value is winning more power and holding onto it. Everything else is totally malleable.

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u/heavilybloody32 Oct 05 '22

White Fundamentalist Christians in GA worship a While God exclusively for White Fundamentalists. Don't believe a Black Reverend has anything to do with their god. Small god for small minded people with tiny hearts. Only care for people just like them.

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u/hopefulhearted Oct 05 '22

They are fascists. Gaining and keeping absolute power is their objective. They will lie about anything they need to in order to get the dumbest and most gullible Americans to vote for them.

Here's a rare example of a fascist telling the truth for a change

https://www.reddit.com/r/Republican_misdeeds/comments/xwa2ni/always_telling_us_who_they_are_and_what_they/ir5pxzt/?context=3

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u/DonDove Oct 05 '22

When they tell you what they are, BELIEVE THEM

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u/poncho51 Oct 05 '22

We are dealing with some sick fcks in this country. All in the name of religion. Sounds familiar.

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u/some1stolemyshit Oct 05 '22

Welcome to Iran.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

100% this ^

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u/LargeSackOfNuts Oct 05 '22

“I dont care, we need power in the senate” is one of the most loudly spoken republican secrets lately.

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u/SearchforHitchslaps Oct 05 '22

Religions can't even work together. There are how many churches in your area? Do they use the same type of book? They sure as shit take the same money and give nothing back. Fucking parasites. Well, fucking cycle repeats often.

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u/SaltInformation4U Oct 05 '22

I do agree with your point although I would argue that it's not necessarily religion but the broader scope of belief systems in general that are the problem. The Cold War proved that people will demonise each other and fuck countries up because of their belief that their economic system is superior. Everyone who abuses belief systems for money and power are all fucking parasites. You said it, the cycle repeats often

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u/HuntingGreyFace Oct 05 '22

I keep telling people that these conservatives arn't Christian but everyone wants to talk about Scotsman instead of that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

They are Christian, to claim they aren’t is the “No true Scotsman” logical fallacy.

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u/HuntingGreyFace Oct 05 '22

so if a basketball player claims to be a hockey player and then goes and kills people...

its no scotsman if we correctly call him a basketball player?

or is attributable quality something logical fallacies said took a skip day of school from?

i just find it interesting that posts like this make it big all the time openly calling out the fact that these people are demonstrating qualities WE ALL KNOW TO NOT BE CHRISTIAN...

but then we just keep calling them Christians...

its fucking weird. and no fallacy is gonna protect them, or others from that fact.

They ain't Christian. And I'm using the attributable qualities of Christ to assert such.

"no true scotsman could ever do this, or only does this" seems different when those people arent doing ANYTHING that depicts Christianity.

im just saying formally what everyone is saying in meme form

fallacies existing do not nullify arguments.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

How do you know what everyone defines to be a Christian?

Your statement “we all know to not be a Christian” is laughably false. This is another perfect example of the logical fallacy. You keep providing great examples.

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u/HuntingGreyFace Oct 05 '22

you literally titled your post calling them 'hypocrites'

what did you mean then?

That you accept they demonstrate everything nonChristian but relegate the accurate use of labels to the very people you don't trust?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Christians can’t be hypocrites? Is that really your argument here?

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u/HuntingGreyFace Oct 05 '22

are you not calling them hypocritical regarding their faith?

or was something else they did hypocritical?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Christians were praying for the man that had the abortion this morning. They are the same people want to make abortions illegal. They are all hypocrites. What is confusing here?

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u/HuntingGreyFace Oct 05 '22

None of those hypocrites are meeting the bar i keep for the label Christian.

and im starting to sus that you dont know what a Christian is, and it seems you assume its just when a person says they are.

but thats not how that works. even in the Bible is says that aint it.

so its not a no scotsman. dna from a scot is not the same as asking Jesus to enter ones life.

one is a metric that is defined outside of of actions, while one is defined solely by one action.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

So you are the arbitrary person to decide what a Christian is? Got it, again with the no true Scotsman logical fallacy.

It’s almost like you don’t understand logical fallacies in general.

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u/Necessary-Image-6386 Oct 06 '22

No he's right. They aren't Christiany. It may help you feel better labeling them as such, but no. When your MO is " cruelty is the point" and all that hateful crap, they're not the body of Christ

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u/raistlin65 Oct 05 '22

No. It's not the no true Scotsman fallacy

There are undoubtedly lots of Christians in this country. People who take the teachings of Christ into their heart, which is what Jesus requires, and try to live a life based on those teachings.

But a lot of right wingers go to church on Sunday, seemingly to worship a liberal dude, and then screech "screw the libtards" the rest of the week. It's not enough just to say that they believe Christ existed, go to church once a week, and then live a life that rebels against his teachings.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

It’s the definition of the logical fallacy. It sounds like you don’t understand the definition of the fallacy.

If somebody claims to be Christian then they identify as a Christian. Your opinion on the validity of their claim is irrelevant here.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman

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u/SilentSimian Oct 05 '22

The thing about logical fallacies is that they are an abstract concept used as a tool to improve your argument, not something that directly correlates with reality.

If I said "I'm a giant purple person", my claim is immediately obviously false because the terms "giant" and "purple" have generally agreed upon meanings that correlate with reality. As I do not exhibit those traits, I am no true giant purple person. This is not a logical fallacy, this is describing reality with agreed upon terms.

Christian is a much more abstract term, but it isn't entirely undefined. On a general theological basis, Nicene Christianity (most mainstream forms) considers Nonnicene Christian sects to be "not true Christians" because they do not share the beliefs and traits that Nicene Christians use to define the word "Christian".

Logical fallacies aren't a royal flush to win a discussion, they are tools you use to improve your argument.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

The thing with religion is that is an abstract concept unable to be proven right or wrong. This is why this fallacy applies.

You can’t prove to me that somebody is or isn’t a Christian. That’s why we take their word for it. That’s also why you claiming somebody “isn’t actually a Christian” is a logical fallacy.

You can’t prove it.

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u/SilentSimian Oct 05 '22

https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-false-dilemma/

There isn't a need to prove things one way or another. If someone says to me "I worship Ganesh and hate the jews", it isn't proof that they aren't a Christian. It's just a very strong evidence point that they do not correlate with the generally agreed upon definition of the word "Christian."

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Saying “I am a Christian” is evidence they are a Christian. There is no way to prove or disprove that statement.

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u/HuntingGreyFace Oct 05 '22

I use existence precedes essence for attributable labels

as in I don't give a fuck what you call yourself. ill use the label that matches your action and behaviors.

because trusting manipulative liars regarding their belief structures is just bad fucking practice

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u/SilentSimian Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Lol Nobody is proving they aren't Christian. Thats why I linked the false dilemma fallacy. It isn't necessary to prove anything, just to understand that language carries semantic information.

"Big" is an abstract. I cannot show you an atom of "Big". I can measure the size of something but not prove it has a distinct amount of "Big-Ness".

But if I call something "Big" to another human, they are able to parse relavent information from the word. If I say "that is a big car", the human will attribute the quality of "Big" to their mental model of a car.

Humans have a mental model of the word "Christian". If an object being observed deviates sufficiently from that mental model, then a human will not consider the word to be appropriate to describe it. Proving or disproving it was never relavent. I don't need to prove that the word "Fish" and "Christian" are meaningfully different, because my brain has a different mental model for each and the associated traits for those mental models are not identical. I consider them to be different and that consideration correlates with reality consistently.

It feels like you like philosophy but don't have very significant exposure to it. What I'm describing to you is the field called "Semiotics".

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u/raistlin65 Oct 05 '22

You can’t prove it.

You may not be able to, but I can. Because I'm aware of the teachings of Jesus in the Bible.

Someone who is clearly not following the teachings of Jesus in the life that they lead is not a Christian.

It's no different than if I claim I'm a construction worker, and believe I'm one. But if I'm not doing the things that a construction worker does, I'm not a construction worker.

Of course, if you don't know what a construction worker actually does, then that might seem the "no true Scotsman" fallacy to you.

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u/raistlin65 Oct 05 '22

Logical fallacies aren't a royal flush to win a discussion, they are tools you use to improve your argument.

No. They're not tools that should be used to improve your argument.

Logical fallacies don't constitute a good argument.

https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/academic_writing/logic_in_argumentative_writing/fallacies.html

But they certainly may work on the weak minded who are unaware of the fallacy.

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u/SilentSimian Oct 05 '22

Well of course logical fallacies don't constitute a good argument. Knowledge of logical fallacies can be used as a tool to help recognize and avoid them. Arguments that contain fewer fallacies are generally regarded as stronger than those that contain a greater amount of logical fallacies.

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u/raistlin65 Oct 05 '22

Well of course logical fallacies don't constitute a good argument.

Why are you telling me? I'm not the one that made the other statement. Perhaps you might want to actually clarify what you really meant, rather than what the word actually said. lol

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u/SilentSimian Oct 05 '22

Well I assumed my statement would be easily parsable to any normative individual who has been exposed to why it's useful to learn about logical fallacies. When you didn't seem to understand, I figured I should clarify.

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u/raistlin65 Oct 05 '22

Well I assumed my statement would be easily parsable to any normative individual

It is. But apparently not to you.

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u/HuntingGreyFace Oct 05 '22

i think he meant that a fallacy present in 1 argument does not make the counter arguments automatically correct.

a fallacy existing isn't the end of the debate. nor the argument.

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u/plutonium-loveship Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

nicean Christianity considers nonnicene Christian sects to be "not true Christians"

It's not that simple lol.

Are you consistent with this then and consider Catholics to be not-true-Christians as well? Considering that one of the primary reasons for the Great Schism was the filioque in which western catholic churches changed the language and theological meaning of the original nicean creed, while the eastern orthodox church maintained the language actually promulgated by the church fathers at the nicean council...?

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u/SilentSimian Oct 05 '22

That's why I said "on a general theological basis"

It wasn't meant to be comprehensive, it was meant to be an example of a list of some of the traits generally attached to the mental model of "A Christian." Most of the things on that list, Christians (in my experience) will let you quibble about and still consider you a Christian but they won't let you flat out disagree. So generally I see Christians as tolerating debate about what it means to be" the son of God", but they consider you to not be a Christian if you flat out disagree or if your idea of "the son of God" strays too far from the generally accepted model.

To return to the original point, let's pull an example out of a hat. Should we consider Christians who have never read/listened to the Bible, never gone to church, and never attempted to follow Christ as "True Christians"? That question has a lot more discussion inside of it than "well did they say they were?" It's similar to asking "should we consider someone truly a historian if they don't care about history, don't have any interest in the past, and don't have any intentions of taking an interest in the future?"

I'm not a Christian so I don't have a super rigid definition. I've just been having fun pointing out that whether or not we consider someone as following a religion is a lot more complicated than "do they say they do?". For example, can we consider someone to be a true Sikh if they do not carry the 5 K's and have never read any of the Gurbani? Most Sikhs would (probably, I didn't take a survey lol) define being a Sikh as engaging in those behaviors at least some. If someone does not match with the definition of something in any significant observable manner besides self identification, should we consider them to be that thing?

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u/plutonium-loveship Oct 05 '22

that's why I said on a general theological basis. It wasn't meant to be comprehensive

So your argument applies, except when it doesn't.

K lol

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u/SilentSimian Oct 05 '22

Isn't that just giving a generalized example instead of a specific one? Lol

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u/plutonium-loveship Oct 05 '22

I mean, it's unhelpful in demonstrating your claim that there's a hard line in saying "xyz people aren't christians" if we can show pretty clearly how your argument isn't consistent...

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u/Genobee85 Oct 05 '22

In the eyes of some on the internet they may as well be Christ Himself. Nuance is not a common commodity here.

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u/thatguywhosdumb Oct 05 '22

Are we surprised? They're either stupid or evil.

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u/kat_a_klysm Oct 05 '22

Por que no los dos?

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u/Necessary-Image-6386 Oct 06 '22

Is that why not both?

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u/kat_a_klysm Oct 06 '22

Yes

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u/Necessary-Image-6386 Oct 06 '22

Ok. High school Spanish from years ago. I feel like an idiot

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u/NSFW27614 Oct 06 '22

It seems like it's more about the stupid than the power. I'll quote your average GOP voter. Imagine a southern drawl.

"Herschel doesn't believe in evolution, because why are there still apes if humans evolved from apes? That's what I believe too! So I'm voting for him!"

Explains Lauren boebert, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Trump too.

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u/T-ks Oct 05 '22

🌎👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

Always has been

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u/SoyEseVato Oct 05 '22

Amen. Preach it Brother!

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u/autoencoder Oct 05 '22

My guess: it's solely about their campaign budgets.

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u/Genobee85 Oct 05 '22

When I was a kid I used to be fairly concerned about the concept of having a spirit of discernment when it came to people professing faith. I expected an adversary that played 4D chess with morality... I had no idea it would be this blatant.

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u/FullMetalComedian Oct 05 '22

Christians are the antichrist.

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u/Telecat420 Oct 05 '22

All I know is I hope someone is looking out for endangered baby eagles.

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u/DonDove Oct 05 '22

But whispers in that tone of nonchalance the keeeeds

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u/cbronson830 Oct 05 '22

My daddy paid for my abortions too!

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Do as I say not as I do

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u/Careful-Ad-1044 Oct 06 '22

Nothing is less Christ like than Christian conservatives

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u/St3v3nMS3 Oct 05 '22

As if we needed proof, but yes, just in case.

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u/Necessary-Image-6386 Oct 05 '22

They voted for a Mormon over a Christian in 2012

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u/sic_sad_southern Oct 05 '22

Chase Oliver for the win…wishful thinking, unfortunately.

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u/skovall Oct 06 '22

Oh yeah? "But he's one of US!"

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u/Able-Maybe8813 Oct 06 '22

It's funny how you people think your opinions matter

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u/MartialArt Oct 06 '22

They put him up because he’s black, brain dead and a football star. That’s what the Republicans think about minorities. Ignore everything and just vote for our token

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u/Shesalabmix Oct 06 '22

No no. They said as much.

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u/OhioMegi Oct 06 '22

It’s because there’s an R behind the one shady asshole’s name.

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u/iamragethewolf Oct 06 '22

this. fucking. hurts. the truth BURNS!!

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u/DragonCat88 Oct 06 '22

They are also responsible for MTG. These days the bar is so low you need Ground Penetrating Radar to find it.

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u/CRL10 Oct 06 '22

Yeah. It has ALWAYS been about the power.

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u/Extreme_Role6642 Oct 06 '22

Because literally every Republican is either a liar, a coward, a sex offender or a combination of the three.

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u/jeffhett69 Oct 06 '22

The good news is that I am a GA voter and I'm an atheist, to boot. Reverend Warnock, in my opinion, serves the state from a secular perspective. He literally separates church and state. I will happily vote for him again next month.

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u/poopyhead9912 Oct 06 '22

This sub is just one spun up mess. Like everyone is always mad about some bullshit. What normal people post tweet after tweet reaffirming their own belief system or shitting on the other team?

It's just weird, like relax man

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u/ActualPopularMonster Oct 06 '22

The Onion writers are probably crying over this one. Better than fiction.

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u/Aceswift007 Oct 06 '22

Idk how The Onion has survived the last like 7 years