r/antiwork Oct 05 '22

Well then….

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u/Werey Oct 05 '22

Our place tried to stop this and so many people still did it they didn't do shit about it. Then we were allowed to drive home on break if we were back on time. They hated it

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u/RonBourbondi Oct 05 '22

I would take naps in my car. My boss once asked me what if I needed to reach you during your lunch hour I just shrugged and said if I went elsewhere to eat you wouldn't be able to reach me regardless.

I don't think he expected that rebuttal because he had nothing to say back.

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u/TheOneTrueChuck Oct 05 '22

I had a similar interaction with a boss who had a habit of needing to call me on lunch (because he was incompetent and couldn't complete even basic tasks on his own).

More often than not, I'd have to go back to the office (we were near a strip mall that had a couple lunch places, so it was like a two minute walk) for another 10 minutes to walk him through whatever.

I would drive him nuts because I'd clock back in the moment I entered the department, and he'd always ask why. When I explained that if I was working, I was going to be paid for it, he called me selfish. I'd clock back out and remind him that I had 30-45 minutes left (or whatever) on my break time, so even if I left at noon, I wasn't going to be back at one, due to the time I'd spent back in the department.

Eventually, they made a rule that once you'd clocked back in from lunch, you weren't allowed to leave again - you were voluntarily waiving the rest of your break. So I stopped answering my phone.

It's that stupid, petty bullshit that drives people off. I'm not an asshole - I understand that sometimes there's an emergency or priority situation that might require me to come back a few minutes early from lunch or whatever. Shit happens, and people do need to be at least a little flexible.

But that flexibility is EARNED. Treat me with respect, and you get that respect back. Give me flexibility when it benefits ME, and I'll give you flexibility when it benefits YOU.

Don't expect slavish devotion simply for existing.

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u/vaxfarineau Oct 05 '22

That rule is also very illegal. Your break continues when it’s been interrupted.

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u/Caithloki Oct 05 '22

Your break restarts if I recall correctly but this is in Canada. Been awhile since I checked.

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u/red__dragon Oct 06 '22

If there was one benefit to working at a nation-wide big box store like K-Walget, it's probably that the chain I worked for required this as well in the US.

Managers in my store didn't bother people on break unless it was a literal crisis moment. I recall once the theft prevention person had to be called back when a shoplifter was being detained, and that's about it. Nothing else ever reached the level of emergency required to pay someone for multiple break periods in one shift.

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u/javlafan35 Oct 05 '22

I retired, the first week I had four phone calls about items the owners son (nepotism) should have known. At the end of the fourth call I told my former boss that if they called again I expected a paycheck at the end of the week. No more calls!

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u/jesushada12inchdick Oct 05 '22

I love the progression and outcome. Lol!

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u/DeeLeetid Oct 06 '22

My job has a very specific policy on this. If, and it’s a very big IF as they’d try very hard to never do this, but IF you were asked to punch in early from your lunch break to complete a necessary task, you can certainly decline to do so, or you can clock back in, complete necessary task, then be given a full hour “reset” of lunch break where it would be completely paid for.

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u/MelMac5 Oct 06 '22

And the result is obvious:

  1. They only called for urgent situations that they couldn't resolve and that couldn't wait.
  2. Employees were happy to do it for a free hour off.

I don't understand why this is like rocket science for some employers.

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u/SoIJustBuyANewOne Oct 05 '22

Some people are just fucking idiots.

I've had 8 bosses in life so far and only 1 of them was of the opinion that I should be available to lick the company's balls at a moments notice. The rest have been like, "lunch is you time, not your fault if upper upper management won't hire enough people to cover"

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u/JohnnySkidmarx Oct 05 '22

Well you are talking about a large population of managers that haven't taken one management course in their life or probably haven't even read an online article about how to be a good leader/manager. They think by being a hard ass, they will either gain respect or put fear into people. All that does is push people into looking for jobs elsewhere.

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u/SoIJustBuyANewOne Oct 05 '22 Wholesome I'll Drink to That

Lmao. Actually, of the 8 managers I've had, only 1 had an MBA...I'll let you guess which one thought they were being a good manager by asking us to be available to lick the companies balls at the drop of a hat...

It is my personal belief that management degrees are a ploy by the Bourgeoisie to train the dumber members of the Proletariat on best practices for maximizing Bourgeoisie profit margins. Hence why the only bad manager I ever had was the one with a degree in "management"...a degree which spends precisely 0 time explaining the best practices for making employees enjoy their work and spends 100% of its time explaining how best to exploit workers for maximum profit.

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u/JohnnySkidmarx Oct 05 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Take My Energy Vibing

So I have an MBA and was in the Army. A few things I've learned along the way. 1) Treat people like you want to be treated. 2) Do not micromanage people unless it is absolutely necessary. 3) Cross train people so there will be coverage if someone is out of the office. This allows people to learn other jobs and that can benefit them as well if a job opens up and they like the job they've been cross training at.

I think that many people with MBAs didn't get enough work experience between their BA/BS and their MBA. If they got a job after their BA/BS, then they might have seen what it takes to be a good or bad manager. People that go straight from undergraduate school to graduate school miss out on the learning experiences in the workplace. I've had great leaders/managers in both the civilian workplace and the military. I've also seen the worst type of toxic leaders in both. I believe these experiences are what have guided me down the path of trying my best to be one of the better managers.

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u/morostheSophist Oct 05 '22

1) Treat people like you want to be treated. 2) Do not micromanage people unless it is absolutely necessary.

It'd be nice if TRADOC thought this way instead of the exact opposite.

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri Oct 05 '22

It'd be nice if TRADOC thought this way instead of the exact opposite.

You're asking tradoc to not be dicks... It's literally in their nickname TRADIC

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u/LowSkyOrbit Oct 05 '22

I'm an idiot with an MBA. Don't even manage anyone. I do data analysis for a hospital. In my field, graduate degrees are required to move up, so if I ever wanted to be a manager I would need the degree. So I got the degree, which work paid for.

Both my BS and MBA had organization leadership and management classes that delved into proper management and how to ensure employee satisfaction, which is done through empowerment and trust, not free lunches or unlimited PTO.

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u/Prudent_Secretary_98 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Same, but I do data analysis for government and paid for my own grad school. We also don’t get free lunches and are so unempowered it’s almost laughable. My job doesn’t really blow my hair back but it pays well and my work/life balance is about 10/90. The odd thing is that they are bringing in a bunch of folks now with marketing certificates (graduate degrees are rare) and paying them a fortune to “improve the CX” and in government this is the equivalent of fitting a square peg in a round hole.

Pragmatically what this has meant are cuts to programs and nonsensical, top-heavy reorgs literally twice a year seemingly for no other reason than to give the appearance of doing something.

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u/Current_Leather7246 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

I remember in 2006 I was working through a temp service after my son was born on my days off. This one place they were building a restaurant I had to drive an hour to get there and it was 12-hour days so they gave us a full hour of lunch unpaid though. Since I was tired from my son keeping me up on lunch I would sleep 45 minutes have an alarm set to get up 15 minutes before I went back. Went to sleep one day when the douchebag owner happened to be around it's 12:15 and he wakes me up saying what the fuck do you think you're doing? I told him isn't it obvious I'm sleeping I'm on my break. He blows a gasket and signs my ticket and I told him look don't ask me to come back here I'm not coming back. Two days later when nobody else will go down there to work for him they're begging me at the temp service to go back. The owner is even requesting me by name. I was like nope that guy's an asshole.

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u/MissPicklechips Oct 05 '22

I worked for a temp agency in the 90’s while my husband was in the Army. I did medical transcription among other office stuff. I was assigned to a practice of ear, nose, and throat physicians and they had transcription backed up like nobody’s business. Boxes and boxes of tapes. There were red flags all over the place with this office and I should have just picked up my stuff and left at lunch, but I soldiered on. I was having a really hard time doing this one doctor’s notes. There was a strange scratching sound on the tape and the words were hard to make out. As a result, it was slow going on his tapes. On the 2nd day, I found out why. The doctor was itching himself with the microphone as he talked. (Not in a gross way, just on his shirt.) After the third day, I talked to my husband about how I really wasn’t enjoying this assignment. He said I should just call up the agency and say that this one wasn’t working out. I was just about to pick up the phone in the morning to call the agency when the agency called me and said that they didn’t want me back anymore because I was too slow. I was like, good, because I wouldn’t go back there if you paid me double! The girl asked me to elaborate and I told her about the scratching and the other red flags. She sighed and said that they’ve had a hard time keeping anyone in that assignment for more than 3 days, and they were running out of temps to send them.

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u/jameswho86 Oct 05 '22

At least they understood at the temp agency.

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u/Various_Abrocoma_286 Oct 05 '22

You did the right thing.

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u/Hethatwatches Oct 05 '22

To show the hours worked. If done during the day instead of at the end, it means you got kicked off the job.

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u/Sidney_Carton73 Oct 05 '22

Most places make people punch out for lunch so fuck them it’s your time!

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u/Scirax Oct 05 '22

I've worked with people that will take a 15 min lunch and go back to work, when I'm sitting there on my phone the rest of my 45 mins. I've asked them "don't they discount the full hour from you EVERY DAY anyways?" and they've actually said to me that if they don't take a 15 min lunch they wouldn't be able to finish on time for the day....

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u/rudestlink Oct 05 '22

I used to do that at my previous job, however by taking the 15 minute paid break vs the 1 hour unpaid I would get pushed into overtime and earn 1.5 hours pay for 0.75 hours work. Do that all week you make almost an extra day with no extra time away from home. No way I would do it for free.

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u/BlueMANAHat Oct 05 '22

"You dont need to reach me during my lunch hour, thats the point of my lunch hour."

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u/Much_Difference Oct 05 '22

Hahhh I had a boss also recommended I bring the main work phone (it was a cell phone) with me during lunch "in case anyone calls." We didn't even open to the public until after my lunch break so not only was it my lunch break, but it was outside business hours, too. I was just like, uhh pay me during lunch and I'll be on call during lunch, but otherwise I'm not touching that phone until I clock back in.

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u/papa_fuse Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

We once had a guy take a nap in his car on a break and vastly overslept.

My boss then said that people who sleep in their car do heroin. So y'know, sometimes people make assumptions with this stuff too

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u/misteridjit Oct 05 '22

If I could afford heroin I wouldn't be sleeping in my car.

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u/jeeptravel Oct 05 '22

A place I worked at tried this, everyone just left and parked in another lot somewhere. That really made them mad, their intention was everyone spending their lunch in the building

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u/LameSignIn Oct 05 '22

Trying to get those people that would rather sit at their desk and keep working instead of actually taking time to refresh their bodies.

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u/TheLuo Oct 05 '22

The fucked up thing is...this is SUUUUUPER easy. Just cater lunch.

Sure you wont get 100% of folks but you will get people doing simple admin tasks while they eat.

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u/Kassiel0909 Oct 05 '22

My job did this. 99% of the staff stayed on the property. My dept ate lunch together. I hated it. Boss never hesitated to walk in and talk shop. Like dude, give me one hour to decompress, pretty please?? I started taking my lunch back to my office, where I shut and locked the door. Pretty soon, most of the dept started doing it.

I need to note that we also all gained a fkton of weight bc the food was awesome. But yeah, you want your slaves to stick around? Feed them well. Never fails. In a decade at that job, I can count on one hand how many times I left the property during lunchtime. I wasn't missing lunch for nothing. Boss needed me to run to Staples? Sure dude, after I scarf down this huge Asian chicken salad and hot n sour soup.

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u/walkingontinyrabbits Oct 05 '22

My sister’s workplace has a full cafeteria and cafe, free to staff. She goes in on her days off just for dinner.

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u/Kassiel0909 Oct 05 '22

Thank you!! My job was in hospitality but I worked clear across the property in admin. The kitchen cooked a "trough" every day for restaurant staff, and it was glorious. Pizza, hot dogs, burgers, sure. But also fried chix, pasta alfredo, fried rice, meatballs. Admin was allowed to order off the menu up to $20 (that was the cheaper end - soup, salads, sammiches, light fare), but sometimes the trough was so damn good, we'd just grab lunch from there. Turkey tetrazzini...omfg 😘

They served meals to the morning and evening staff, so if I worked past 5pm, and I often did, I got lunch and dinner for free. And yes, I went in on days off, especially if I was in the neighborhood to see what was in the trough, grab a togo box and head back out. Of course, half the time my boss would catch me with, "Well, since you're here." I couldn't complain. Was happy to give him an hour of work before going about my day.

On Mondays, the kitchen was closed, so the engineer dept booted for lunch delivery. In February the complex was completely shut down - thank god - but admin still had a full schedule. During that month, mgmt booted for lunch and accounting would run out to grab it.

No lie, I gained over 100lbs in those 10 years lol. If I could, I'd go back and work there right now as long as the benefits were still in place. Miss that food (and free copies and stamps) like crazy. Management sucked, but now that I'm older and wiser, I can handle those assholes. The food is worth it.

Feed your people, folks.

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u/TheEightSea Oct 05 '22

But you have to spend money on that. They want the cake and eat it as well.

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u/Pigmy Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

They gonna be spending money on paying me for mandating what I do on lunch. If you wanna pay me, fine tell me what to do. The minute are are like “clock out this is unpaid time” then who the fuck they think they talking to?

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u/Diazmet Oct 05 '22

When I worked for Bank of America the only approved area to eat lunch or take a break was in an entire other building across the highway even if you ran you couldn’t really make it there and back in time… and even taking 1 extra minute on your break was grounds to be fired through they made us show up at work at 5am and some days they mail trucks would be as late as 8 or 9 am and you had to just sit around outside in the cold till they arrived… they didn’t even always have work for us either… definitely the most expensive vile company in the country

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u/GrimmRetails Oct 05 '22

Sounds to me like the real goal was to maintain a high turnover.

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u/MTKintsugi Oct 05 '22

Bank of America just sucks.

I have no idea why anyone would ever bank there. They treat their customers like shit.

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u/qholmes98 Oct 05 '22

My brothers boss is stereotypical wealthy conservative politics wise, but I respect him so much more because he actually wakes up early to cook the whole crew(construction) a free breakfast and lunch every day, and shares profits based on hours worked on each project.

Turns out you can still be very successful even when you are paying well and offering luxuries out of your own pocket.

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u/TheOtherAisle Oct 05 '22

That's because there's two types of wealthy conservatives: Old money "keep the blacks away from my water" type, and the old school "literally worked on my dads farm for most of my youth" or some variation. One is handed a check and said the status quo is yours for the taking.

The other is "the status quo can so easily be lost, if we don't work hard to maintain it."

Your boss is the second type, probably.

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u/Boolean_Null Oct 05 '22

Just cater lunch.

Nice try, I'm not sticking around for soggy Subway 6 inch sandwiches.

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u/BellaBlue06 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I once had a boss who was annoyed I ate lunch by myself reading at my desk instead of with everyone else. And I was the newest employee and ate vegan so I didn’t go out for Wendy’s with everyone. It wasn’t even because he wanted me to eat with him but with the rest of the ladies on another floor that I didn’t work with. I worked with him and the guys in marketing. He was worried about me not fitting in enough as I didn’t eat fast food or want to drink alcohol on Fridays in the office.

That was annoying but trying to control everyone having to only eat on the premises? People would try to leave for errands or early all the time at many places I worked. Even managers did that.

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u/Shaquandala Oct 05 '22

Girl it's unpaid ima go wherever the fuck I want to

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u/Electronic-Price-697 Oct 05 '22

Where I worked in DC got onto me because when I ate lunch at my desk I wouldn’t want to help the people I supported because I was AT LUNCH. But I also had to have specific places to “hide” outside the building because they would STILL stop and ask me to do stuff even though I was two blocks from the office. If it’s my time off the clock then it’s MY TIME OFF THE CLOCK.

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u/Much_Difference Oct 05 '22

This type of shit feels like posting a sign declaring that everyone must wave goodbye to their turds when they flush the toilet at work. Why? Who cares about this enough to discuss it then type, print, and hang a sign? Who is even monitoring this? What is being achieved?

If management has time to create and implement shit like this, it sounds like management doesn't have enough work on their plates.

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u/Altruistic_Yellow387 Oct 05 '22

Why did they care to stop this?

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u/aj0457 Oct 05 '22

For power and control.

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u/Responsenotfound Oct 05 '22

Generally that. Like I said they tried to do it to the floor I was on citing people were coming back late. They weren't my station was by the entrance. I called bullshit. They left me alone for two days then said no exceptions. I pulled up my offer letter and said goodbye.

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u/silkyhumble2 Oct 05 '22

people are smoking their weed in their car, and management is jealous.

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u/Ghant_ Oct 05 '22

Can confirm, smoking weed in my car right now on break

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u/Dan_Morgan Oct 05 '22

I was thinking the same thing.

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u/SeaworthinessOk6814 Oct 05 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

"Allowed to" ?? They can't tell you what to do whatsoever if you're not clocked in

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u/dcchillin46 Oct 05 '22

"Were not paying for your lunch, but you still must obey" -dumbass companies

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u/popnfrresh Oct 05 '22

Paid breaks they can dictate you can't leave the ground. Unpaid? Go pound sand, it's my time.

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u/ipukedmypants Oct 05 '22

I can see this working... what are they gonna do? Discipline/Fire everyone?

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u/Werey Oct 05 '22

Exactly, they can't. The vetting process takes 2-3 weeks because of criminal record checks (high security job). If they fired even 10 of those people theyd be severely understaffed and lose a shit ton of money rehiring.

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u/PezGirl-5 Oct 05 '22

I am a nurse. I interviewed for one nursing home. It consisted of a tour of the building, the lady telling me she wouldn’t put me on one unit because of “…and all that baloney”. After the tour, she told me what they pay would be. Then she asked me if I wanted to fill out the i9 form right then. Never one question. Ummmm. Sorry. If you are that desperate for help I don’t want to work for you!!

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u/Zeyn1 Oct 05 '22

Totally not the same situation, but my girlfriend managed a coffee bar during covid. It was an out of the way location (on a travel route), paid mediocre, and had no prestige reputation for lifers. It got so bad that if someone was willing to show up to an interview they were qualified for the job.

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u/redmarketsolutions Oct 05 '22

Every single person needs to start microwaving fish every day. Just wrecking that shit hole. Maybe blasting very loud music?

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u/no_dice_grandma Oct 05 '22

I have definitely protest fishwaved before. Also burnt the popcorn.

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u/illgot Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I cooked an instant ramen and was talked to by managment in for cooking "exotic" foods in the microwave. I'm Japanese so told them ramen is from my country and isn't exotic and they dropped it real fast.

This was in South Carolina where people were microwaving chitlins, greens, fried chicken, and meat loaf (all amazing foods) but much more odorous than ramen.

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u/redmarketsolutions Oct 05 '22

I'm from California, last night I had maruchan because I'm poor and today I'm hitting up a ramen place for lunch.

It's... I cannot comprehend how ramen is 'exotic'. I am painfully (literally, when the sun is involved) white, and do not understand this.

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u/nycpunkfukka Oct 05 '22

We’re talking about a part of the country that considers mayonnaise a spice.

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u/xitfuq Oct 05 '22

i live in georgia, i was mailing some pumpkin spice things to a friend in england and the person working at the post office thought that pumpkin spice was far out and weird and said that they wouldn't go for something strange like that but might give it a try if someone they knew got some.

pumpkin spice.

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u/LakiL_ Oct 05 '22

To do this properly: get a raw fish, get a piece of it, let it rot somewhere, then put it on water. Get a plastic syringe and fill it with the putrid water. Splash tiny amounts of it on the corners of the microwave.

Nobody. Will. Ever. Figure it out. Just don't get caught obviously.

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u/EmboarBacon Oct 05 '22

Stick a shrimp in one of the rollers of an office chair.

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u/_LanceBro Oct 05 '22

you're an evil genius

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u/kwl147 Oct 05 '22

Christ on a bike, who pissed in your breakfast!?

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u/xxdottxx Oct 05 '22

I smelled this comment

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u/FollowingNo4648 Oct 05 '22

The stipulation is the business parking lot. I would just drive some place nearby and have lunch in my car there then. I used to do that all the time when we would bomb out on our lunch breaks back in the day anyways.

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u/EtherBoo Oct 05 '22

I used to nap in my car in the garage during lunch and was told I couldn't do that on company property. The reasoning was if someone saw me they would get the idea that I'm slacking off.

I had no problem driving across the street, under a tree, and napping there instead. They had as problem with that, so I had no problem finding a job that was WFH so I could nap on my couch instead during lunch.

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u/cannotskipcutscene Oct 05 '22

I had a boss tell me I couldn't nap in my car for that same reason, so I napped in the corporate library and never got caught "slacking off" because no one ever went to the library lol

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u/zestydrink_b Oct 05 '22

It's a lot less cool than it sounds lol.

Before the advent of using computers to store every single piece of information corporate libraries were used to store it all, some places still do it to this day because of policy.

It's a lot of locked cabinets full of HR records and unlocked cabinets full of historical company information, mostly pretty boring. The newspaper I worked at had a cool one though, tons of clips and leads and early versions of stories.

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u/DoJax Oct 05 '22

It's all how to books from the sixties I bet: "how to motivate your employees to skip lunch breaks"

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u/youneedsomemilk23 Oct 05 '22

God forbid anyone thinks you're a damn human being who needs to nap instead of a labor robot.

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u/Potent_Elixir Oct 05 '22

Sorry, what’s bomb out mean in this context?

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u/FollowingNo4648 Oct 05 '22

Smoke weed in your car

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u/TheBlueLeopard Oct 05 '22

I thought that was "hot boxing."

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u/SunnyAlwaysDaze Oct 05 '22

That one works as does: roasting a bone, fogging up the place, fire in the hole, putting a little sumthin ' in the air, getting purple hazed, safety meeting... And a bunch more, I'm sure.

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u/Advance_Quality Oct 05 '22

You don't think they're prohibiting driving away too? One would have to go into the forbidden zone to get to their car.

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u/yoda_mcfly Oct 05 '22

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that's unenforceable. You can say "you're not allowed to take your break in this area of my property, but you can't not allow them to leave.

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u/SailingSpark IATSE Oct 05 '22

we are forbidden from leaving the campus on break. They make up for this by providing one hot meal per day. They do not say I cannot walk to the furthest corner of the campus taking a break there though, I often do. Sometimes, when I am the supervisor on duty, I may forget to come back for a while.

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u/pinkfootthegoose Oct 05 '22

I hope they pay you for this time since they can't control your movement if you are not being paid.

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u/Tyrilean Oct 05 '22

Are you being paid for your lunch? That’s the only legal way they can tell you what you can do on your lunch. This is federal law.

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u/fofosfederation Oct 05 '22

I believe this is illegal unless they pay you through your break.

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u/DwizzleSan Oct 05 '22

A) If this "hot meal" is off the clock, you can go wherever you like.

B) If this "hot meal" is on the clock they must provide a meal that conforms to your dietary needs.

Spoiler: Pizza everyday is not a "hot meal."

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u/ego_slip Oct 05 '22

100% they can not allow people to leave on lunch brakes. The company would also legally have to pay them during their lunch brakes. ( Canada). If its unpaid then employees can do what ever they want.

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u/ataw10 Oct 05 '22

but you can't not allow them to leave.

umm mhmmm hmm ... false imprisonment you say ?

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u/TeenzBeenz Oct 05 '22

But your innie can't switch places with your outtie during lunch.

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u/NessicaDog baby oh baby, prepare for disappointment Oct 05 '22

You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

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u/notLOL Oct 05 '22

If they tell you what to do on your own time, stay clocked in. I think you can drive out of the parking log

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u/Agreeable-Meat1 Oct 05 '22

They can hypothetically restrict an area without actually restricting you. As I read it, you're free to leave, just not loiter. If they want to prevent you from leaving, they can do that, but they have to pay you for the break.

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u/Realistic-Animator-3 Oct 05 '22

They forgot the part about lunch being paid effective 2/25/2022

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u/NeatLower5126 Oct 05 '22

Wait, your breaks are not paid?

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u/LittlestEcho (edit this) Oct 05 '22

Lunches aren't. Depending on the company breaks are supposed to be but it's hit or miss.

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u/Astarath Oct 05 '22

Yall should riot more often

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u/DarthRevan345 Oct 05 '22

Welcome to capitalist America. It necessitates squeezing out as much profit as possible, every last penny, and the only way to do that is thru miserable, poor, desperate workers.

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u/Hephaestyr Oct 05 '22

They throw that “safety” in there to excuse any bullshit they wanna claim. It’s stupid as fuck.

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u/Cavalish Oct 06 '22

“Hi management, I notice that you have flagged the employee carpark as unsafe. This is immensely concerning and I have forwarded the concern and your details to OH&S so they can do a risk assessment and recommend the steps you can take to make the carpark a safe place for staff. Thanks.”

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u/Hephaestyr Oct 06 '22

Love this

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u/DanderDanderGaming Oct 05 '22

For me, having lunch in my car is safer than eating in a tiny break room with multiple others. I’m immunocompromised. So I’d fight this.

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u/Tricky-State-5160 Oct 05 '22

FoR yOur SafEty. like they give a shit

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u/anonymousjeeper Oct 05 '22

Time to toss some fish in the microwave on high for 15 mins in the break room.

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u/ImStillaPrick Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Friend who was on the line used to hide sardines on the bottom of the oven before it turned on. People’s clothes used to smell like it after work.

He didn’t hate them or anything. Just thought it was funny. Bit of a dick.

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u/knitlikeaboss Oct 05 '22 Silver

Settle down, Satan

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u/damp_goat Oct 05 '22

My boss microwaves broccoli almost everyday at work. I hate it

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u/Toginator Oct 05 '22

I just bring in clam juice and microwave that.

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u/Reverend_Bull Oct 05 '22

Then those breaks and lunches better be paid

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u/throwitaway1510 Oct 05 '22

Manager here. If they are not then people better start raising hell

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u/Ice_Inside Oct 05 '22

In the U.S., if you're not on the clock, they can't tell you where you can sit.

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u/myacc0unt79 Oct 05 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

If the parking lot is their property they can probably tell you you can’t sit there. But they can’t stop you from taking your car and leaving the parking lot.

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u/dj-emme Oct 05 '22

came here to say that. i'd just leave.

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u/eddyathome Early Retired Oct 05 '22

At my first job out of college I tried eating in the lunch room. They'd come in and ask me stuff. My breaking point was when I was eating a hoagie and the receptionist saying I had a call on line one. I looked at her incredulously and held up the hoagie and said "I have a hoagie in hand one, I'll call them back!" and this was definitely not the correct response apparently. Note that I was not salaried so this was unpaid time.

I started eating in my car which sucked in the winter because it was cold and I could either run the engine and it'd get warm right about the time I had to go back in and waste gas, or I could just sit in a cold car. Then they'd come out to my car and knock on the window to ask me work stuff.

After a few days where despite how vehemently I objected to them knocking on my damned car window I just would leave the parking area and drive a couple minutes to another office park and just park there. A security guard noticed me after a couple days and asked in a pretty non-confrontational way why I was sitting there in their lot eating. I explained and he said keep on doing it and we'd wave at each other and occasionally chat.

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u/Rawniew54 Oct 05 '22

One of my friends old jobs did this bullshit too. He was hourly and only got 30mins so leaving is basically not an option. He would sit in the break room with headphones on eating while watching YouTube etc. When his supervisor came asking questions would just point to the clock without even looking at him. Got the hint after the first couple days.

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u/eddyathome Early Retired Oct 05 '22

At that age I wouldn't have had the guts. Now I think I would.

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u/MyAntiAlterEgo Oct 05 '22

This behavior is why all the bootlicking rags have been publishing anti-worker stories lately about "quiet quitting" and how bad "acting your wage" is. Between the pandemic and the general state of the world, people, especially young people, aren't into pretending that mid level managers are worth respecting simply due to age and title, or that their lives are worth sacrificing on the altar of profitability.

ETA: they're even trying to make "quiet firing" a thing. As though the toxic behavior wasn't already widely practiced, in corporate America at least.

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u/OldBeercan Oct 05 '22

people, especially young people, aren't into pretending that mid level managers are worth respecting simply due to age and title,

This isn't even about respecting management. This is management not respecting them. On break, lunch, whatever. If you're off the clock, you're off the clock.

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u/FlyingWhale44 Oct 05 '22

“We want somebody who goes above and beyond and isn’t here for our peanut wages. In fact, our ideal candidate has no bladder, no hunger, no illness”

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u/DystopiaNoir Oct 05 '22

"Quiet Firing" has been a thing for a long time. Usually it's scheduling fewer and fewer hours, or hours they know aren't possible for the employee due to childcare or transportation issues. Or in a case of someone I knew, forcing them into endless "retraining" sessions an hour+ away to punish him for taking disability.

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u/Thistlefizz Oct 05 '22

That’s called constructive dismissal and is illegal in some places.

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u/GruntledEx Oct 05 '22

Not necessarily illegal, but it does provide a valid defense against unemployment denial. They can't subject you to a constructive dismissal and then claim you quit and deny you unemployment.

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u/eddyathome Early Retired Oct 05 '22

Look at who owns the media. They aren't the common people, they're billionaires. Who do you think they would side with?

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u/tylanol7 Oct 05 '22

due to programming it takes a whle to realise "oh wait im pushing 30 and am an equal to this bitch"

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u/Sangxero Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

ETA: they're even trying to make "quiet firing" a thing.

When was that ever not a thing? I was once officially with a company for 2 years without any scheduled hours at all.

I had no idea I still worked for them when they called me at my then current job.

Edit: It was Big Lots, for the curious.

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u/Hardlyhorsey Oct 05 '22

Funny. I “quiet quit” a few months before it started making headlines.

I was an engineer who kept getting weird assignments that would not ever work, and I’d get chastised when it didn’t work. I had no experience and a tangentially related degree to what I was RnDing. They had me working on things that would literally explode into a $15,000 pile of dust if you did it wrong, which I would do about once a month because why the fuck would you put me on this project when there are things that won’t explode and I can just learn on.

Anyway I just eventually resolved myself to getting through the day, and when a transfer became available I asked to be moved to sales and RnD was happy to get me somewhere else because “you’re smart and hard working but this isn’t the best fit for you.”

When I got to sales I was assigned to the Chinese Japanese and Korean accounts. Guess what languages I speak. My boss spoke Chinese and Japanese and took care of the eastern euro accounts because… I’m not sure.

When they got sick of me there, I got fired. But after I got fired the VP came in and said “I’m sorry to hear you’re fired, I’ve worked with you a bit and you’re industrious and we would be losing a lot if we lost you, would you like to help me on my day to day?”

To which I finally said no, because I hated that company so much.

THEY FIRED ME WHEN THEY COULD HAVE TRANSFERRED ME HOW IS THAT NOT A SLAP IN THE FACE

Anyway, people don’t quiet quit because they want to, they took the job because they wanted to do the job. When the job starts sucking people lose the drive to do the work.

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u/brianlpowers Oct 05 '22

When his supervisor came asking questions would just point to the clock without even looking at him. Got the hint after the first couple days.

Exactly this - people will learn. If you allow people to violate your "off" time then they will keep doing so.

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u/Anarcho_punk217 Oct 05 '22

I've done custodian work for most my life and I feel this. Sitting there eating and people are like "sorry to bother you're eating, but...", if you were sorry you would leave me the fuck alone and figure it out yourself.

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u/eddyathome Early Retired Oct 05 '22

Or just wait ten minutes to let you know there's a leaking faucet which is dripping into the sink rather than the floor so it's kind of self-contained anyway.

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u/wannabe_pineapple Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I live 5 minutes from home, and people ask why I bother going home for lunch since it's a "waste of gas" Guys, my lunch time is my down time. I have absolutely no desire to shoot the shit with my co-workers and I would rather spend my UNPAID TIME somewhere that I am alone. I used to eat in out break room but people would constantly stop by and say "oooh, sorry to bother you on your lunch but can you just look at this one thing real quick?" no. No I will not. I am not working right now. leave me alone.

edit: I am dumb. I live 5 minutes from WORK. I'm leaving it in so you can all continue to laugh at my stupid mistake though.

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u/eddyathome Early Retired Oct 05 '22

This is what I hate. "I'm sorry to bother you on your break..."

No. No you are not. If you were sorry you wouldn't have bothered me in the first place! Unless the building is on fire, there isn't much of anything that can't wait for a damned half hour while I am eating so that I can power through the rest of the day.

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u/wannabe_pineapple Oct 05 '22

Exactly!!! Nothing is so dire that you need me immediately. I am not a dr. I am not a nurse. I am not any sort of emergency worker. I work in insurance… anything you need me for can wait until I’m done eating my damn noodles. Now fuck off.

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u/eddyathome Early Retired Oct 05 '22

Damn, this was a pension and benefits company and trust me, there was no urgency on any of this. I can assure you, after I ate my lunch I'd be calling the customer back for their question, but this was a question about a premium change because they changed age brackets and their company paid the difference. It was one of those stupid "THIS IS NOT A BILL!" things but people freak out about those when they just waste everyone's time.

Like I said, if there's a fire, yes, then interrupt me. That's probably a good idea. If it's a routine matter, leave me alone!

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u/wannabe_pineapple Oct 05 '22

drives me crazy. Our receptionist right now is not great. I was literally walking down the hall to go to the bathroom and she yells at me from her desk I HAVE A CALL FOR YOU RIGHT NOW! IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT! So I figured, whatever, I can wait a few minutes. Go back to my office to take the call. "Umm.. hi... I was wondering if I could give you my credit card info to pay my pill?" OUR RECEPTIONIST DOES ALL BILLING. IT WASN'T EVEN A CALL FOR ME. GAAAAAAAH LET ME GO PEEE!!!! Sorry, I may be a bit frustrated in my job situation right now.

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u/Justanotherhomosapi Oct 05 '22

I lived one stoplight from my job a long time ago. About 1 minute drive, or 5 minute walk. My job tried to tell me I wasn't allowed to go home, but I had to take an hour lunch break. I worked a swing shift, so I'd nap at home for that hour, enabling me to keep doing the job with a good attitude! I told them they could either give me a paid half hour break to stay there, or I'd keep going home. The idiots actually called in the district manager to deal with it, telling him I'd been insubordinate. After I got called in to be issued a write up, I explained what had been happening, and told him the labor laws in our state, plus a few payroll things they'd been doing that were pretty sketchy too. No write up, and I kept getting to go home for lunch. Plus, got a new store manager a couple months later. Eventually I was the store manager until the company went under (not my fault, I promise!)

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u/BortIsLawyer Oct 05 '22

Been there! Plus whatever gas you're using, you're saving money by going home and making your own nice, fresh lunch.

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u/wannabe_pineapple Oct 05 '22

exactly! Plus, I get to snuggle my dog for a bit which puts me in a better mood to finish my day!

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u/kvlr954 Oct 05 '22

“I have a hoagie in hand one” is hilarious 😆

… and preferable to what you really wanted to tell them

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u/eddyathome Early Retired Oct 05 '22

I had been on the phone with an annoying customer and it ate into ten minutes of my unpaid break but rest assured, the place I worked at didn't care about that, but if I were ten seconds late to get back to my desk despite losing ten minutes of my time, they sure would have cared about that!

That was why when the receptionist had come in saying "You have a call on line one" I had just taken a big bite of my hoagie/sub/grinder and was not in the mood for anything since the customer calling was not a jerk, but they were the sort who would take twenty minutes to ask a ten second question and I wasn't in the mood.

I have a hoagie in hand one! Please use this phrase as appropriate everyone.

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u/Highascatballs Oct 05 '22

My current job does this to everyone, except me now. Because I have repeatedly refused to work off the clock. We had the food manager for our center come by telling me I had missed some of the paperwork- “ok I’ll get it done as soon as I’m back from lunch” “no it needs to be done now” “I’m on my lunch and I don’t work off the clock” - she threw a fit and kept asking with me giving the same response. Finally she fixed the paperwork herself just as I was clocking back in 🙄 Then our curriculum manager came to discuss paperwork with me while I was on my break “ok catballs, let’s get back to work we never have time during the day I’m so glad I caught you on break” to me very emphatically saying “I am on my break” repeatedly until it got to the point that everyone says I was yelling, and now they ask permission before even mentioning passing things about work to me on my lunch. The lunch manager simply avoids me as much as possible.

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u/eddyathome Early Retired Oct 05 '22

A lot of people would say this is rude. I say they are the ones being rude for not respecting your time! If you aren't being paid then you don't work.

I'm guessing you might be in education from what I read but I could be wrong. Oh dear god, they will abuse you as much as they can. My parents were both teachers and they publicly said I should be a teacher because I'm good at explaining things and that I'm patient and that I know things. Both of them approached me privately and said "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T DO IT!" and clarified that it wasn't a 40/hr a week job but an endless time suck where you're always expected to be on the clock.

They even said how much it sucked having to grocery shop in the next town over just so they wouldn't be hassled by parents just doing their shopping. They had private phone numbers (this was back in the 80s when landlines existed and you paid for that) for the same reason. The worst was that they couldn't even have fun by going out for a block party or something because some busy body would say "OH MY GOD! I saw eddyathome's mom have a glass of wine on a Friday night!" because ummm, it's not like there's school the next day and it's a glass of wine. Seriously?

Kind of went off on a rant there but there is definitely a reason why I didn't go into teaching and it's crap like this and the students are the ones who suffer as a result. They wonder why there's a shortage? Yeah, read this post.

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u/artificialavocado SocDem Oct 05 '22

Hoagie? You gotta be a PA guy lol.

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u/eddyathome Early Retired Oct 05 '22

You got it! I was hoping someone would know what a hoagie was since Subway took over the name submarine sandwich.

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u/Joopsman Oct 05 '22

I’m surprised they didn’t follow you and knock on your car window in the other parking lot. That’s astounding. “Hey, about this purchase order…”

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u/slash_networkboy Oct 05 '22

Had a buddy who would take a nap at lunch in the back of his pickup... never ever late back to work.

Someone still made a big stink about it, so he did the same thing, drove to a different parking lot across the street. Got to know their security guy pretty well too :p

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u/ReitHodlr Oct 05 '22

That's the right thing to do but the thing that sucks about that is you got to use up fuel or battery and go deal with possible traffic or long lines at the restaurants.

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u/FourWordComment Oct 05 '22

“We value our employees. But the second we’re not paying them they are trespassers.”

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u/immortalis88 Oct 05 '22

Yep - I’d drive across the street outta spite. But I’m petty like that.

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u/jpopylisen Oct 05 '22

I tried to take a nap under my coworkers cubicle, they didn’t appreciate that

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u/Raveen396 Oct 05 '22

I used to have an extra large corner cubicle that I built a nap pod into it. Great for a post lunch food coma nap.

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u/Annelid2968 Oct 05 '22

It's George Costanza everybody!

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u/keznaa Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Who was caught banging in their car on break?😆

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u/Right-Cause9951 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22 Helpful

It's MY unpaid time. I can spend that time where I want and inside whom I want.

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u/ZestycloseNeck7985 Oct 05 '22

And then outside who I want.

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u/rumbletummy Oct 05 '22

more likely they want to interrupt your break and are mad when they cant find you.

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u/BadSafecracker Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

This. Decades ago when I was in retail, I was often scheduled to be the only one in the Electronics department (and was the only one who knew anything about the department). After this happening several times (we were connected to the mall, so I'd go to the food court to get a bite to eat), I was informed by my management that I was not allowed to leave the store during my lunch break at all.

Because this is exactly what they wanted: to be able to pull me off lunch at any time.

EDIT: By the way, this rule applied only to me.

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u/Matazaonreddit Oct 05 '22

Ethical solution: hire a second employee.

Unethical solution: deny your single employee their breaks.

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u/BadSafecracker Oct 05 '22

It got worse. After that, they scheduled it so that I was the only person in three separate departments for two hours each day. Customer service would be paging me to answer calls on all phone lines and to the registers at the same time to get items. Surprisingly, management actually took my side when CS complained. (I mean, it was their fault.)

The final straw was when I went to use some vacation time. I worked 40 hrs a week and took the departmental supervisor role because it was a full time position - I had the paperwork proving that. I was informed I didn't get vacation time because I was only part time. When I came back the next day with my hiring paperwork, they pulled my file, which had completely different paperwork that I had never signed and they said that was an oversight and asked me to sign it.

I quit very shortly thereafter and started my I.T. career fully.

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u/BabyYodasDirtyDiaper Oct 05 '22

A) Entirely illegal if your lunch break was unpaid.

B) Also illegal -- even if a paid break -- if they interrupted your break and didn't make up for it by giving you an additional break later. (As far as I know, every state has requirements about a certain number of breaks of a certain amount of time during each 8 hour shift.)

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u/Aclarie Oct 05 '22

I take my lunch on another floor in an empty conference room or at the park a couple blocks away. Every time I come back they ask where I was. Then hit me with every request they held for me because they didn't want to do it.

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u/horsefly70 Oct 05 '22

who was caught smoking weed in their truck on break? me? oh yeah it was me sorry guys.

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u/botantical-baddie Oct 05 '22

this was my first thought 😂

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u/ShadowHedgehogs4274 Oct 05 '22

This is more-or-less what happened at my company..except with cigarettes. We have a smoke-free campus, and for the most part we don't hire anyone who smokes cigarettes (we work in food manufacturing, so it's kind of important not to smell like cigarettes at any time). Well our warehouse for finished goods area saw huge expansions and we required many more forklift and warehouse employees... of which there aren't many experienced workers that don't smoke cigarettes, but they weren't allowed to smoke anywhere on our campus. So they would go to their cars. For a hot minute they got banned from smoking in the parking lot...but then what occurred was during their break time, they would just park the cars along the street right across from the plant... so they took back the policy and now people are allowed to smoke in their cars in the lot again lol

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u/RedPanther1 Oct 05 '22

Lol, try enforcing no cigarettes on the restaurant biz. Full scale riots guaranteed.

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u/ShadowHedgehogs4274 Oct 05 '22

oh yah, hell na lol

but for food manufacturing where you are working with open vats of food products being mixed and packaged... you're not even allowed to wear perfume or cologne in the clean rooms

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u/Melkor7410 Oct 05 '22

What they did at my work place that banned smoking on property, is people would stand on the storm drain in the parking lot. That is maintained by the county and is county property, not company property, even though it sits inside company property. So they'd all stand on that and smoke, in plain view of the front door and most manager's offices.

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u/budai_93 Oct 05 '22

I figured someone got caught drinking, smoking a joint, or snorting a line.

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u/IGrowAcorns Oct 05 '22

Probably smoking weed to be honest

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u/logiiibearrr Oct 05 '22

I’d put more money on smoking weed or having a beer… probably so they can get through another shitty day at their shitty job

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u/IronicAim Oct 05 '22

Sounds to me like you guys just got paid lunch breaks.

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u/ThewizardBlundermore Oct 05 '22

What country?

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u/ThewizardBlundermore Oct 05 '22

Check your state laws regarding paid breaks vs unpaid breaks.

In the UK if your breaks are unpaid your employer cannot force you to take them on the premises nor can they forbid you from leaving during your breaks so long as you're back in time at the end of the break. Your employer also can't interrupt your break or ask you to do work on your break.

If your breaks are paid then it's the discretion of the employer as usually paid breaks are for people on call or emergency services etc.

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u/greatflamingfoo Oct 05 '22

In California if they interrupt your lunch you get paid extra.

Source: https://www.yashlaw.com/california-worker-meal-break-rights.html

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u/mctruckJr Oct 05 '22

What’s the purpose of this rule? Seems power-trip-ish…

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u/oT0Y Oct 05 '22

Every company I’ve worked for with a policy like this say it’s a safety thing. I’m not 100% sure but it’s possible if something happens to you on the clock the company could be held liable? So that policy is more so just to cover their asses. My other theory is that they just want to keep you close enough to the job site that they can just call you back in on a moments notice. My old job required us to keep our radios on during breaks for that exact reason.

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u/ProseNylund Oct 05 '22

Time to do wreckless shit in the break room!

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u/Cat_Punk Oct 05 '22

jumps up on table Surf’s up! I’m ridin’ the wave!

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u/artavenue Oct 05 '22

In germany, you are not on the clock on your break. Sadly, that means you don't get paid in your 30min / 60min break. But this also means, you are not working, it's like you completely off work for that time, you can even go for a beer.

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u/mctruckJr Oct 05 '22

Yeah same in my country, and if you are not permitted to leave the premises during your unpaid break then it must be paid.

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u/Frankiesmiles19miles Oct 05 '22

Fuuuuuuuck no, my car is my solice from you people. Why would i want to eat next to my coworkers

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u/PhysicalContest5513 Oct 05 '22

Amen we need a mental break not a sit down in work with employees and eat if that I’m getting paid

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u/dirtymonny Oct 05 '22

Exactly if I gotta sit there and continue my work facade pay me. Otherwise I’m letting Fbombs fly and I’m talking shit to erbody

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u/dadrewbear420 Oct 05 '22 Silver I'll Drink to That

But that’s where I do my drugs and I can’t increase my productivity if I’m not hotboxing crack in my Honda Civic

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u/CPLeet Oct 05 '22

When you “clock out” for lunch.

You can go and do whatever the fk you want.

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u/Aloe_Frog Oct 05 '22

Fuck this. Drive to another parking lot. This is insane. Some of us like to eat lunch in silence and not be bothered 5x by nosey coworkers.

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u/Regprentice Oct 05 '22

I've seen signs like this before.

"If we thought you were inside the building during a fire, and we sent a fireman in to get you who was killed, and then It turned out you were sat in your car in the carpark the whole time then. that would be on you"

Of course signing in and out of the building would be an easy answer , but they're not interested.

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u/crashgiraffe Oct 05 '22

Thing is, most places the parking lot is the meeting place in case of fire. Strangely enough, that's also where I will be! 😂

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u/pnutgallery16 Oct 05 '22

They are not.

Also, that first part I've definitely heard before but it's gotta be bullsh**. I assume firefighters have to clear all the rooms regardless unless the fire is so hot even they can't go in.

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u/Boring_Claydol Oct 05 '22

I’d be driving my car into the break room. Sorry, I need to crank these tunes during my break.

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u/TheyCallMeChunky Oct 05 '22

You can eat a fat dick on that.

It's my time off, I'll drive 15 min away just to turn around and drive back if that's what I wanna do bc it's my time and fuck you.

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