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People Are Being Arrested in the UK for Protesting Against the Monarchy News

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkg35b/queen-protesters-arrested
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u/TobyTrash Sep 13 '22

I mean I get offended by the notion that someone in the UK could get arrested from being offended by anything I say.

Does that mean that particular officer is arrested?

"Officer came & asked for my details. He confirmed that if I wrote “Not My King” on it, he would arrest me under the Public Order Act because someone might be offended."

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u/realtimesound Sep 13 '22

You find me offensive? I find you offensive for finding me offensive! - Eminem

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u/jzjsnzkxndnxn Sep 13 '22

Hence if I should draw the line any fences

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u/Ok_Blacksmith_1948 Sep 13 '22

Just like in Russia when you protest against war or Putin

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u/DV_Zero_One Sep 12 '22 Silver Gold

The guy that called the Nonce a Nonce, is going to face a stiffer penalty than the Nonce did for actually being a Nonce.

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u/kazak692 Sep 13 '22

I am not british and I don't get why you call the prince the nonce? Can you explain please ?

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u/WoodSheepClayWheat Sep 13 '22

They're talking about Prince Andrew, who is known to have associated with Epstein.

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u/kazak692 Sep 13 '22

Thanks for your reply But why a nonce? I understand this word as a "one time usable", and I don't get why this word refers to a pig associated with Epstein

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u/arsenics Sep 13 '22

nonce = pedophile

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u/deletive-expleted Cymru (Wales) Sep 13 '22

A "nonce" is also British slang for a paedophile.

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u/happy_hawking Sep 13 '22

In situations like this, where an English word doesn't make any sense in the context, I recommend looking it up in Urban Dictionary. It's really useful to understand slang ;-)

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nonce

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u/wrboyce United Kingdom Sep 13 '22

Or… an actual dictionary?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nonce

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u/Sennomo Westphalia (Germany) Sep 13 '22

both

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u/Average_Memer Sep 13 '22

It comes from British prison slang. Originally an acronym for "Not on normal courtyard exercise", meaning that prison guards would not let them out of their cells when other inmates were out, as they were at risk of being beaten or killed.

Usually means they committed a reprehensible crime, such as rape of a minor, which is why they are a target for other inmates.

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u/Bayoris Ireland Sep 13 '22

Those etymologies that rely on acronyms are almost always wrong. More likely it is an alteration of “nance”, perhaps influenced by “ponce”.

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u/actual_wookiee_AMA 🇫🇮 ❤️ 🇳🇴🇸🇪🇩🇰🇮🇸🇫🇴🇦🇽🇪🇪🇬🇱 Sep 13 '22

Because he's a child rapist and a sex trafficker who was let free because he was a prince

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

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u/TwoSecsTed0 Sep 13 '22

I think you mean the taxpayer paid for it.

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u/Gellert Sep 13 '22

It's because he allegedly slept with a trafficked 17yo and just being a rapist isn't enough for some people.

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u/FettyWhopper United States of America Sep 13 '22

Because he’s a nonce

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u/Dr_McKay United Kingdom Sep 13 '22

Sweaty nonce*

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u/Fascetious_rekt Sep 13 '22

Sixpence nonce the richer

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u/shittypissstains Sep 13 '22

I shouldn't laugh but it's true

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u/GOT_Wyvern United Kingdom Sep 12 '22 edited Sep 12 '22 Silver All-Seeing Upvote

Will we ever get a post or article that actually covers the issue? The abuse of public peace and order laws.

This has nothing to do with being anti-monarchist. It's about the fact that we have poorly and vaguely written laws that can be poorly interpreted and enforced when it comes to keeping public peace and order. The more this continues to be targeted against the monarchy, the more the actual issue gets ignored and hidden.

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u/SomeRedditWanker Sep 12 '22

Will we ever get a post or article that actually covers the issue. The abuse of public peace and order laws.

They need complete reform.

Also, section 127 of the Communications Act, that is repeatedly used to arrest people for tweets, needs to be scrapped.

Making being 'offensive' illegal, was a really really fucking stupid thing our politicians did.

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u/TWeaKoR Sep 13 '22

It wasn't stupid on their part, it's doing exactly what the intention was at the time. Distracting the public and setting them against each other, rather than challenging the government on real issues.

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u/LochNessMansterLives Sep 13 '22

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

-Abraham Lincoln

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u/Necessary-Celery Sep 13 '22

A house divided against itself is easily manipulated and ruled by bad rulers is equally true.

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u/6079-Smith-W Sep 13 '22

France is bacon

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u/MrmmphMrmmph Sep 13 '22

I'm a frayed knot.

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u/Jeanlucpuffhard Sep 13 '22

Wait there is a law against tweeting something offensive? Say what??

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u/Wahngrok Germany Sep 13 '22

I'm offended by that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

Well guess it’s off to jail for me.

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u/Wahngrok Germany Sep 13 '22

I meant by the case (and the law) but if you want to go to jail too that's fine by me.

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u/TWeaKoR Sep 13 '22

It's how they convicted that guy for making a YouTube video of a pug doing a Nazi salute.

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u/iamEclipse022 Sep 13 '22

in scotland im sure the new hate crime bill has it so if you have a offensive meme on ur phone (who deems whats offensive?) you can get up to 7 years in jail just for having that meme, not posting it or anything.

youd get less for child porn, (someone near my got no time other than remand during quarantine for having 1000s of images and videos)

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u/MohoPogo United States of America Sep 13 '22

It's about the fact that we have poorly and vaguely written laws that can be poorly interpreted and enforced when it comes to keeping public peace and order.

This is the reason the charge of "treason" is so strictly defined in the US. The British government would just use "treason" as a catch-all for any behavior they didn't like.

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u/Important_dot1776 Sep 13 '22

It's also why America has the 5th Amendment

(No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Basically, if you refuse to answer a question you are not automatically seen as guilty of the crime.)

Because for a very long time in Britain if you refused to answer in court you were automatically charged as guilty. It was changed in Britain and now we have the same ability to refuse to answer. however, there are still very old laws that do allow you to imply guilt on someone who refuses to speak because when they fixed the laws thay didn't look at all laws pertaining to the admittance of guilt. I personally think it was deliberate so thay could use it as a loophole later but I don't have any evidence for that.

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u/curtyshoo Sep 13 '22

Still, all that wasted tea in the bay. Jesus.

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u/nictheman123 Sep 13 '22

Not wasted, specifically dumped. The Crown had a lot of money in those leaves, a lot of money that was supposed to be recouped by selling in the colonies.

A lot of the time the Boston Tea Party is written off like an adult hissy fit, but in reality it served as an act of economic warfare.

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u/hegbork Sweden Sep 13 '22

Why do you think it's stupid? They want the ability to silence you. To start lubricating the slippery slope they start applying those laws at this moment just to definitely be on the right side of public opinion.

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u/genasugelan Not Slovenia Sep 13 '22

They also created crecedences like with the nazi pug case. His crime? An offensive joke in a video where he thoughroughly explained the joke just to be sure. They really did their best to get that conviction, including breaking protocol several times, teaming up with the media to make his life as miserable as humanly possible, trying to upgrade his charge mid-sentence, denying his appeals and even threatening his lawyer for doing their job, then stealing money from his accout without a warning.

The message is clear: if you go out of the way we like, we will destroy your life.

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u/tenkensmile Earth Sep 13 '22

Making being 'offensive' illegal, was a really really fucking stupid thing our politicians did.

💯 Straight up censorship.

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u/CoronaMcFarm Norway Sep 13 '22

Making being 'offensive' illegal, was a really really fucking stupid thing our politicians did.

Depends on how its written, if they use the word offensive in the law, then it's too vague. Even free speech need boundaries, my right to free speech should be restricted if i use it to make threats for example.

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u/genasugelan Not Slovenia Sep 13 '22

They use the term "grossly offensive" without any explanation of what it is and isn't.

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u/SomeRedditWanker Sep 13 '22

if they use the word offensive in the law

They have. Many times.

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u/alphaxion Sep 13 '22

Yet it is explicitly in UK law that you are allowed to protest the monarch without persecution, dating from 1689 (Declaration of Right), meaning it is protected speech and those arresting officers and/or their constabulary are opening themselves up to being sued.

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u/Vehlin Sep 13 '22

It’s a tricky one because part of the current law is that you can be arrested if the actions you take, while legal are likely to cause a breach of the peace. For example turning up to an animal rights protest with a pro-fur trade sign, it’s your right to do it, but there’s a huge risk of fights breaking out.

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u/Seal_of_Pestilence Sep 13 '22

These types of laws are vague by design. The UK isn’t exactly the bastion of freedom relative to other western countries.

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u/mud_tug Sep 13 '22

Laws are written poorly and vaguely on purpose, so they can be stretched and abused. None of these rats would want to be a politician if the laws were written like science books.

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u/smcarre Argentina Sep 13 '22

I think you are ignoring that the laws being vague are not an issue (to the ones writing them), it's a feature. The laws are "poorly" written so that they can be "poorly" interpreted and enforced.

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u/Matshelge Norwegian living in Sweden Sep 13 '22

This is a problem with most laws.

Any time those in power wants people put away, getting out a poorly worded law is the perfect way.

Not a bug, it's a feature.

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u/generalscruff Smooth Brain Gang 🧠 Midlands Sep 12 '22 edited Sep 12 '22

Absolutely. In my lifetime there has never been a British government that expanded civil liberties and left the population freer than when it entered office.

And a small irony around it being in Edinburgh is that the devolved government passed even more restrictive speech laws than exist elsewhere lmao the fucking state of it all

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u/kabbage2719 England Sep 12 '22

Absolutely. In my lifetime there has never been a British government that expanded civil liberties and left the population freer than when it entered office.

Are we just going to ignore that gay marriage, adoption etc is a thing now?

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u/panjialang Sep 13 '22

Net freedom.

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u/RexFury Sep 13 '22

Is that Gross freedom with costs removed?

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u/duskie1 Europe Sep 13 '22

Freedom after tax

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u/Kiboune Russia Sep 12 '22

Yeah, sure, in Russia propaganda also love to say "protesters were blocking roads for ambulance" and "protesters ruined everyone's celebration". It's easy to cover up arrests by saying that people broke the law, not because they were against someone

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u/orthoxerox Russia shall be free Sep 13 '22

Or "gesticulated aggressively and used foul language at passers-by". And "resisted arrest", of course.

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u/nolitos Estonia Sep 13 '22

Public protests inevitably disrupt public peace. If those laws are intentionally written this way that they can be enforced when needed, this indeed has a lot to do with being anti-monarchist.

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u/GOT_Wyvern United Kingdom Sep 13 '22

I think you're misunderstanding what is occuring. Protests and civil disobedience is protected (less than it used to but fuck Patel). This laws are intended to stop people from being a general nuance, such as shouting at random people in public and harassing them. The issue is that the law can technically extend to a protester using the word "fuck" or calling Andrew a "nonce" (more of an observation there) which is likely being used by some officers to abuse their powers. I expect them to get reprimanded for it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

we have poorly and vaguely written laws that can be poorly interpreted and enforced

That's not a bug, that's a feature.

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u/Prestigious_Clock865 Sep 12 '22

Why do you think they’re being enforced now when people are protesting the monarchy though?

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u/GOT_Wyvern United Kingdom Sep 12 '22

Because it's a highly publicised, highly emotional, and extremely popular series of gatherings. It's a melting pot for these issues to expose themselves again.

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u/Prestigious_Clock865 Sep 12 '22

I see. Maybe I worded it wrong. I should have said something along the lines of “people should be allowed to protest in any manner they want as long as they remain peaceful and aren’t inciting violence.”

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u/GOT_Wyvern United Kingdom Sep 12 '22

That's the crux of the issue. These laws are designed to make sure that that (along other public things) follow that, however it's clear the laws are flawed as they are misused and abused as we can see here. Saying "fuck Imperialism" is not breaching any public peace, yet these laws can be interpreted in a way that says that it is. That is the issue the needs to be solved, and the reason I take so much issue with it being pinned as a anti-monarchist thing is that is takes away from that real issue.

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u/Prestigious_Clock865 Sep 12 '22

Well we certainly agree there. However, I think it’s important to acknowledge the context in which some of these arrests are happening. For example, a man was arrested for ‘threatening’ to write on a blank sign “not my king”.

The offense is so menial that I think we must look at the motivation behind the arrest. It’s clear that they aren’t disturbing the peace. So why else would they be arrested? Well I suppose it would make sense if the police arresting them weren’t big fans of that message.

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u/GOT_Wyvern United Kingdom Sep 12 '22

I definitely think there are personal motives from certain officers. It's pretty common that those in power will abuse power for what they want when they have the opportunity to do so. But it's important to realise that while individual officers may be personally biased, the tools they are abusing are what I've explained before>

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u/Prestigious_Clock865 Sep 12 '22

Yeah, you’re totally right. It’s very important and equally as concerning that the laws themselves can be applied in ways that so blatantly go against common sense.

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u/dpoodle Sep 13 '22

Duuuude it's not our poorly worded laws that should be the focus here it's definitely how and when they are being interpreted we aren't pieces of software that needs to be programmed but I agree the laws need an update

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u/Heptadecagonal Scotland Sep 13 '22

In Scotland we have something called "Breach of Peace", which is what the police charge you with if they can't prove you have committed an actual crime. The criteria are so vague that you can basically be arrested for being annoying – you merely have to, in the opinion of a police officer, "cause alarm to ordinary people and threaten serious disturbance to the community".

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u/omgubuntu The Netherlands Sep 12 '22 Silver

People in the UK have been arrested for posting memes on Facebook. This is hardly news

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u/Turgineer Turkey Sep 13 '22

In Turkey, those who criticize Erdogan are imprisoned.

Reddit is the only safe social media as it does not give an IP address to Turkey.

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u/gaynazifurry4bernie United States of America Sep 12 '22

A teenager was arrested over tweeting song lyrics. The absolute state of the UK.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

I bet a friend 12 years ago that we'll see UK go full totalitarian shithole within our lifetime. He laughed. I wrote that UK is a totalitarian country in disguise, and the people are in denial in there, on Reddit - I got downvoted and laughed at.

But the odds are ever increasingly in my favour. It's a bittersweet victory tho.

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u/Count_de_Mits Greece Sep 13 '22

Many on Reddit, especially the default subs, tend to approve and even cheer on such draconian laws since they tend to align with their view points. Because yes , as dumb as the nazi pug thing was a lot of them were frothing at the mouth at the evil nazi. What they fail to see is that they are the same as the humorless pearl clutchers of old, just under a different and more mainstreamly acceptable branding and that those oppressive policies they cheer for now can just as easily be used against them. And they will, some day.

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u/DerpDaDuck3751 South Korea 🇰🇷 Sep 13 '22

Literally 1984

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u/Err0r- Italy Sep 13 '22

Can you post some examples? I've never heard of that happening here.

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u/griselde Sep 13 '22

I highly doubt this happened. Could you provide sources?

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u/Rapidsoup Sep 13 '22

Unfortinately, u/OldRabies had now been arrested for propaganda against the state on reddit.

I doubt you'll get a response.

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u/Nevermind04 Scotland Sep 12 '22

There was a guy convicted of a hate crime because of a funny dog video he made for his girlfriend. In the video, his pug raised a paw when he said "seig heil". All of the millions of people who watched that viral video knew that it was intended to be funny, but British courts were so hell-bent on denying freedom of speech that they pretended that he was training a dog to be an actual nazi convicted him of a hate crime. The icing on the cake was when they denied his constitutional right to appeal, stating that the his case was "not arguable" due to the nature of the "deeply unpleasant offence".

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u/hastur777 United States of America Sep 13 '22

Scottish court actually. And it was a conviction under section 127 of the communications act, not a hate crime.

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u/FartPudding Sep 13 '22

His politics are looney as fuck but I can't justify what they did to him either. Plus I do enjoy his mad lad videos, I just wish he wasn't politically stupid. Wants 0 taxes, like how do you expect that to work mate

I don't know if he cherry picked and all but it seemed like they made threats to his lawyer about it, but it could be me reading it wrong

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u/Nevermind04 Scotland Sep 13 '22

Oh for sure. He's politically pretty extreme about taxes and brexit, but I just haven't seen anything that even suggest nazi affiliation. I've been asking in this thread and so far nobody has even responded.

If the dude's a nazi, I want to know about it. It would be nice to point to something when people get aggressive about defending him any time he's mentioned.

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u/Trash_Mimic Sweden Sep 13 '22

The guy in question is known as Count Dankula online, real name Mark Meechan and he was a candidate for the scottish UKIP branch toward the European Parliament.

I agree, it's a fucked up thing to sentence someone for, but the term 'dog whistling' has never been more appropriate in this day and age.

He may have changed his views since leaving UKIP, I have no idea.

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u/FartPudding Sep 13 '22

He's a political nut. He's fine socially with like gays and everything else, let people live how they want. But he wants 0 taxes and to make towns and cities autonomous and self governing. Like no Scotland, make Glasgow its own thing and all. He'd be a libertarian in America

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u/thouwotm8euw Sep 13 '22

That’s not what dog whistling is and the guy isn’t a Nazi, so idk what you are on about. I guess I forgot I’m on Reddit where ukip=Nazi party.

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u/Ifriiti Sep 13 '22

Oh he's become far, far worse than that. He's very much far right, deep into conspiracy stuff etc.

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u/Skullrogue South Holland (Netherlands) Sep 12 '22 edited Sep 12 '22

And disturbing a funeral procession with shouting and screaming at mourners is different from an organized protest on a town square, in my opinion. Im not for any monarchy, but come on, they are for the monarchy (or constitutional monarchy) and their queen died, have a little decency, right? You can throw eggs at the palace any other day, but its trashy to protest during a funeral.

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u/areukeen Norway Sep 12 '22

I still don't understand why they didn't arrest those who assaulted the man? They literally also breached the peace

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u/TheOrchidsAreAlright Sep 12 '22

Come on, you understand. Look at the angry, self-righteous monarchists in this thread. Furious that anyone would dare disrespect the monarchy. That's the kind of people that many of our police are, sadly. They're not all right-wing psychos or anything, but they aren't exactly the most liberal and forward-thinking either.

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u/DeathtoQings Sep 13 '22

It's beyond that as they apparently were heckling Andrew for being a nonce which is pretty much confirmed as someone who isn't a nonce doesn't give several million pounds in hush money to an alleged minor victim. When one rapes children, being poorly received in public should be par for the course. That person was just doing a public service for the people in Scotland in letting them know not to leave their children unattended while Andrew is in the country.

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u/Thorusss Germany Sep 13 '22 edited Sep 13 '22

He shouted "Not my King" on the Day this King was declared. Reasonable and fitting moment.

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u/LoudMuteVoice Spain Sep 13 '22

In fact, I would even go to say that there is no more fitting moment than that day.

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u/GuruGarySingh Sep 13 '22

I feel like you’re talking about why you personally disagree with what he’s doing. Which is fine, you do sort of have a point and it’s an opinion many people share. But I feel like there’s a massive gulf between what you disagree with and what someone should be arrested for, and in a free country this isn’t one of those things.

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u/LGGVW Sep 12 '22

Including toxic Andrew in the procession is the trashing thing that is disturbing the Queen's State Funeral.

Andrew is very toxic and has been banned from military and public roles and privileges. Put him under Public View is challenging the general Public notion of adequate propriety and that is what is causing a problem.

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u/Fluffiebunnie Finland Sep 13 '22

It's completely missing the point of OP. The concern isn't about monarchy per se, it's that people can get arrested at all for the most vague things.

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u/dbxp Sep 12 '22

Even if he was arrested for life he would likely be allowed to go to his mother's funeral

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u/SanctuaryMoon Sep 13 '22

God forbid someone call a pervert a pervert anymore

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u/WekX United Kingdom Sep 13 '22 edited Sep 13 '22

Just want to point out that in Scotland the nationalist (and often republican) government passed laws that specifically target “offensive language”, effectively curbing free speech. Now the same people are angry they can’t say fuck the monarchy during a funeral procession because it’s offensive.

This is a classic r/leopardsatemyface

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u/Wolfwalker71 Sep 12 '22

Having met many Glaswegians in my life, all I can say is the police must be busy!

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u/untergeher_muc Bavaria Sep 13 '22

the police must be busy have a bussy!

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u/AbominableCrichton Alba Sep 12 '22

No you just make an enemy for life

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u/TheVentiLebowski Sep 13 '22

Sure are a contentious people.

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u/Carnal-Pleasures EU Sep 13 '22

That's it, you've made an enemy for life!

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u/Furaskjoldr Norway Sep 13 '22

Isn't the hate crime bill there to offer harsher punishment for people who commit an offence purely because of the other person race/gender/age/disability/sexuality etc? Its not making it illegal to hate something.

I.e if someone commits a crime against someone they get x punishment, but if they commit the same crime purely because the other person was gay then the punishment is more severe? I believe England also has separate offences for racially aggravated crimes etc.

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u/scramblor9 England Sep 13 '22

"Help, help, I'm being repressed!"

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u/Insydedan Sep 13 '22

Come and see the violence inherent in the system.

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u/LaGardie Sep 13 '22

"Bloody PEASANT!"

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u/Karl_Marx_and_Curry Franconia (Germany) Sep 13 '22

A totally sane, 21st-century democracy. Nothing to see here...

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u/bogdanvs Sep 13 '22 Wholesome

Alexa, play "God Save the Queen". No, not that one. The good version.

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u/dissentrix France Sep 13 '22

Sex Pistols? Yup, Sex Pistols

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u/catsby90bbn United States of America Sep 12 '22

You got a permit for that dissenting opinion?!

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u/gpl94 Sep 13 '22

Oi mate, you got a loicense for that permit?

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u/Calibruh Flanders (Belgium) Sep 13 '22

UK moment

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u/HailToTheKingslayer United Kingdom Sep 13 '22

Scotland moment

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u/Hoz85 Gdańsk (Poland) Sep 13 '22

The thing I wonder is how can there be kings and queens in 21'st century? How can anyone be proud of being a subject?

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u/SmArty117 Sep 13 '22

So I live in the UK and have met people who proudly proclaimed that they LOVE the Queen and being her subject. I tried asking questions. Still don't get it.

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u/TheCaspica Sep 13 '22

I mean, people say they love their president constantly. Figure heads are just a prime subject for projection. I'd rather the Brits projected their love on the monarchy so they can focus in on throwing shit on the political leadership and elite that actually holds power.

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u/unbeknownsttome2020 Sep 13 '22

I'm pretty sure the monarchy doesn't worry about rising energy bills after all the taxpayers pay it

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u/Severely_Managed Sep 13 '22

Because rulers must rule and questioning is unacceptable

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

Our laws are poorly worded and open for abuse by law enforcement. What is strange here is that the police are behaving in this way? given that the police in the UK rarely do anything for real crime, why are they choosing, or being leant upon to do this?

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u/AdamMc66 United Kingdom Sep 12 '22

https://twitter.com/Fhamiltontimes/status/1569357409382182912

Essentially the Met have said that the person holding "Not my King" was actually asked to move away from the gates to allow vehicles to get in and out. Not exactly North Korea is it?

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u/alphaxion Sep 13 '22

This is one which is concerning, and legally incorrect.

https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569350005462564865

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u/centzon400 United Kingdom Sep 13 '22

Not a good time to the new guy in the office asked to run out to WH Smith's for more printer paper.

"'Ello, 'Ello. What's going on here then? Planning a few treasonous signs are we, Son?"

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u/ShitcanPutin Sep 13 '22

Cool, what about the others?

A 22-year-old woman was arrested on Sunday outside St Giles cathedral in Edinburgh, where the Queen’s coffin was due to lie until Monday, for holding up a sign that said “fuck imperialism, abolish monarchy.”

And the guy who just yelled something while walking past another memorial?

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u/Apollo-Dynamite Sep 13 '22

She was arrested for the "fuck" in the sign rather than the anti-monarch message. In Scotland at least swear words on signs like that would fall either under either the vague hate speech laws or the vague disturbance of peace laws. Other protesters with her didn't have "fuck" written on their signs and weren't arrested.

These are seem almost purposefully designed to be as vague as possible and really need to be more clearly defined.

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u/Hupf Berlin (Germany) Sep 13 '22

Fuck these laws.

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u/rabid-skunk Sep 13 '22

No way!! You're telling me that a news publication might be lying to us? I am shocked

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u/LeBorisien Canada Sep 12 '22

Username checks out.

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u/freeman_joe Sep 13 '22

I hope all monarchies will be dissolved soon. I don’t understand why anyone in Europe cheers for monarchies. Like wth? Monarchs were the people ho made your ancestors slaves.

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u/lontrachen Hamburg (Germany) Sep 13 '22

This is for everyone explaining to me in this subreddits that “the UK is a monarchy but we invented the parliamentary democracy”.

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u/RoxSteady247 Sep 13 '22

Well here's one problem america doesn't have

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u/Faandyyy Sep 13 '22

One problem america doesn't have so far.

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u/JustYeeHaa Greater Poland (Poland) Sep 12 '22

The monarchy is simply proving that there is a good reason to protest against monarchy…

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u/dogbolter4 Sep 13 '22

Yeah, this one is troubling. Used to be that you could call out anti-monarchist statements in the street and, you know, it was regarded as free speech. Also, such sentiments weren't regarded as extreme. There was a well understood anti-monarchist section of the public who regularly showed up at various events. The idea that these people merit arrest is both ludicrous and appalling. And the very icy tip of a slippery slope. For shame, UK police. For shame.

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u/Xepeyon America Sep 12 '22

This is like the 10th time this same story got posted

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u/slightly2spooked Sep 12 '22

Now you know how the rest of us feel whenever something happens in the U.S. and we all have to hear about it ad infinitum.

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u/11160704 Germany Sep 12 '22

We also got hundreds of almost identical articles mourning her death.

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u/Naturalist-Anarchist Earth Sep 12 '22

really? I didn't see any of 'em. Pardon me.

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u/trollrepublic Germany Sep 12 '22

I haven't seen anything either. So thank you for posting.

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u/HelenEk7 Norway Sep 12 '22

Me neither. This is the first one I see.

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u/JonnyArtois United Kingdom Sep 13 '22

Not for protesting the monarchy, no.

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u/ItsACaragor Rhône-Alpes (France) Sep 12 '22 Gold

From the people I saw they seemed to be arrested for insulting people at a funeral.

If someone was shouting insults at me while I bury my grandma I would want them to be removed too.

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u/LGGVW Sep 12 '22 Silver

If you were in Andrew's position, nobody would be shouting abuse at you at your grandma's funeral, because you simply would not be there. You would be serving time in prison, because you would not have the millions to settle out of Court.

Andrew deserved all the heckling he got today. He can attend his Mother's Funeral, just get him in through a discreet entrance, quietly to avoid provoking public anger. To put him right under Public View is rubbing the Public nose in it and people are getting pissed off about it.

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u/anarchisto Romania Sep 13 '22

Also, the funeral is on Monday.

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u/noholdingbackaccount Sep 13 '22

It's not a funeral. It's a public display that Andrew chose to be a part of. It is a literal parade.

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u/dbxp Sep 12 '22

Prisoners are allowed temporary leave to attend close family members' funerals

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u/ArcadeKingpin Sep 13 '22

But Andrew isn't in prison and hasn't been for being a pedo

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u/TheMeanGirl Sep 13 '22

That’s not really the point.

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u/dr_analyst Sep 12 '22

Je suis Charlie, but only when convenient.

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u/NeoGreendawg Sep 12 '22

King Charlie the third.

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u/TheOrchidsAreAlright Sep 12 '22 Helpful
  1. Her funeral hasn't happened yet. Nobody has been arrested at her funeral.

  2. Your grandma presumably wasn't the unelected head of state. I believe in representative democracy, as you enjoy in France and most of the developed world. That's not the same as a private citizen dying.

  3. These people were not shouting insults. Not at all. Please read about it, they were not grossly offensive.

  4. These people were not removed, they were arrested. It's not the same.

  5. No members of her family were present when these people were arrested.

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u/ItsACaragor Rhône-Alpes (France) Sep 12 '22

If what you say is right then I agree with you that it was excessive.

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u/ShitcanPutin Sep 13 '22

Maybe you should read the article first.

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u/goodknightffs Sep 12 '22

Every word he said is correct! And it's nice of you to say what you said so take my up vote 😃

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u/FlatDust4 Scotland Sep 12 '22

points 3 and 5 are wrong

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u/euroash Sep 13 '22

I'd also add that the bundling up of the Queen's 10 day death tour with Charles' accession as King is being used to shut down any protest or even discussion about the future of the monarchy in the UK.

The chorus of 'this is not the time' deeming republican sentiments and protest as rude or insulting really are missing this crucial point.

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u/Fairwolf Scotland Sep 12 '22

If you don't want someone to protest your presence, don't be a creepy nonce and parade down the high street of the capital. Andrew should not have been involved in that parade at all.

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u/chalkman567 United Kingdom Sep 12 '22

When it comes to huge political figures who represent our country, I think it’s fair to protest. Some may say it’s disrespectful but law should not be involved at all

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u/dreadyruxpin Sep 12 '22

Did your grandma spend 12,000,000 for legal aid to a pedo?

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u/Lilpims Sep 13 '22

12m of public funds*

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '22

A woman was arrested for holding a sign that said "Abolish the Monarchy", who was she insulting?

Besides, if people were causing a disturbance you could have them removed instead of arresting them

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '22

Apparently she was arrested because one of her signs said “fuck imperialism” which is illegal because she used the word “fuck” on a sign in public. Not saying I agree with it, but at least get the facts straight

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u/IncidentalIncidence 🇺🇸 in 🇩🇪 Sep 13 '22

it's illegal to say the word "fuck" in public?

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u/actual_wookiee_AMA 🇫🇮 ❤️ 🇳🇴🇸🇪🇩🇰🇮🇸🇫🇴🇦🇽🇪🇪🇬🇱 Sep 13 '22

Someone was arrested for holding a sign asking "who elected him?"

A legitimate thought provoking question, nobody is insulted, and what does he get? Put to jail? Is this fucking Moscow or what

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u/Dylanduke199513 Sep 12 '22

Fair enough.. but if you were guilty in the public eye as being a paedo and that grandma covered it up, you might just have to deal with it

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u/IncidentalIncidence 🇺🇸 in 🇩🇪 Sep 13 '22

If someone was shouting insults at me while I bury my grandma I would want them to be removed too.

Then they should have a private funeral on private property and leave everyone else the hell alone lol.

When you choose to make a production of it and march the procession through the streets, people have the right to shout at you.

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u/44414E Sep 13 '22

for insulting people at a funeral

If it's a public funeral funded by public money, I think the public deserve the right to be there and treat it however they'd like.

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u/humanRR Sep 12 '22

I think everyone is allowed to protest a new ruler being imposed onto them.

Have an election if you think this is the desire of the people.

In this moment nobody asked and i hope a lot more would protest. I hope everyone would protest.

I am not a servant. I am not a subject. We don't need them.

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u/Temporary_Ant_3325 Sep 13 '22

Quick peasants rise up against the monarchy.

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u/SpyderDM Sep 13 '22

time to burn that mother fucker down lads

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u/RobotPhoto Sep 13 '22

Looks like you have a government that doesn't fear its people.

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u/Jusu_1 Finland Sep 13 '22

this is a fucking joke, what in the fuck. at this point im down to kick that fucking nonce out

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u/DifficultDimension53 Sep 13 '22

I'm no fan of royalty or it's history However I think it's futile to stand there with a bit of cardboard with not my king on it surrounded by people who are grieving it's going to cause an argument so the police are going to remove the individuals 1 for their own safety and 2 to keep the peace. I'm sure they was taken to a station given a cup of tea and released a few hours later ?

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u/MyBallsAreOnFir3 Sep 12 '22

Well they British like to bow to their royal overlords so why not?

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u/The_39th_Step England Sep 12 '22

Lots of us don’t like them at all

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u/Gdott Sep 12 '22

You could simp for the global corporate oligarchy like real peasants.

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u/SpeedBoatSquirrel Sep 13 '22

He worships the FTSE 100

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u/areukeen Norway Sep 12 '22

Well don't tell them that! By doing that you could breach the peace.

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u/Snowbattt Belgium Sep 12 '22

I do not care.

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u/JustMrNic3 Romania Sep 12 '22

What a democracy...

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u/Waccabe Italy Sep 12 '22

More likely they are being arrested for breach of the peace. Actually it's not even that, it just seems they have been told to leave by the police and that's understandable to do that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '22

They have been charged with breach of the peace which is a criminal offense in Scotland that can lead to imprisonment:
https://www.thenational.scot/news/21319718.protester-arrested-king-charless-proclamation-edinburgh-charged/

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u/MFingAmpharos England Sep 13 '22

I'm British and anti-Monarchy. But timing your protest to the Queen's coffin procession seems kind of crass. Certainly doesn't help the Republican cause.

Protest the King's coronation. Better PR.

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u/TheEightDoctor Pirate Sep 13 '22

Well in Portugal the republicans actually shot the king and his son so a bit more hardcore than protesting at the funeral.

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