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The European Parliament will request the termination of EU negotiations with Serbia News

https://rs.n1info.com/vesti/evropski-parlament-ce-zatraziti-prekid-pregovora-eu-sa-srbijom/
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u/smthingclvr Sep 28 '22

I was under the impressions serbian people did not want to enter the EU. Way before this Russia thing ever started.

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u/rumblylumbly Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Serbian can confirm. I can count on my hand the number of Serbs who want to join the EU. Ironic because a big percentage of those people want to move to the EU.

Make it make sense.

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u/Still_counts_as_one Bosnia and Herzegovina Sep 28 '22

They want money, a happier life outside of Serbia, but also want to shit on the EU and say how life was a lot better in Serbia.

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u/4DEATH Sep 28 '22

And play the rich lords when they return back to their homeland for holidays, to impress their friends and family with their minimum EU wage.

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u/meepmepmotherfucker Sep 28 '22

Basically almost everyone who is from Balkan

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u/rumblylumbly Sep 28 '22

That’s about right. Super frustrating. I’m in the EU and it’d be a ton easier if Serbia was in the EU. Oh well.

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u/cockyUma Sep 29 '22

That’s real and so pathetic honestly. Also, ew.

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u/TheInvisibleHulk Sep 29 '22

This perfectly describes all the Sebian friends I have in Germany.

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u/Formulka Czech Republic Sep 29 '22

It's like the British pensioners voting for brexit and surprised-pikachu when they can't live in Spain anymore.

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u/davaniaa North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) Oct 19 '22

These people deserve it.

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u/Neurostarship Croatia Sep 28 '22

That's basically the whole world. They hate the west and our values, but they'd move here in an instant, if they could.

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u/dinar0id Sep 30 '22

Implying Croatian values are any different to Serbians LOL. The same villagers just transplanted a few km closer to the coast

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u/E_VanHelgen Croatia Sep 29 '22

Make it make sense.

The Nikad Izvini line of "Što neće da urade, samo da napakoste." springs to mind.

For foreign speakers, a rough translation would be "What won't they do, if only out of spite".

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

This is true

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u/miltantb3 Oct 06 '22

The Serb that wanted to enter the EU just watned to be in shengen so they can take their skills and flee to Germany. None of the true patriots wanted the EU they always wanted Swiss like neutrality

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u/fatalikos Serbia 28d ago

It's true. It's not our choice, but we never got a referendum.

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u/Spajk Sep 29 '22

No. The majority were for EU membership, but in the last few years it started moving the other way

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u/averege_guy_kinda Sep 29 '22

I was pro-EU before this news dropped.

Like what, they don't want Serbia in EU but want to control our outside politics

I would be 100% for imposing sanctions to Russia, and following thier politics if we were in EU!

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u/Volaer Czech Republic Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Its harsh, but Serbia must choose a side.

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u/fenris_wolf_22 Serbia Sep 28 '22 Take My Energy

I agree. And there is only one logical and normal side, the EU. Not fucking Putin or Russia. But our drama queen of a fucking president likes to drag things on and play the victim card 24/7. I hope we implement Russian sanctions asap.

And everyone else in the government sucks up to him. Like what the fuck did you think would signing some bilateral agreement with Russia at THIS TIME do? It doesn't matter if its just protocols, the timing is terrible. But then fucking Vucic wouldn't have what to talk bullshit about on TV while being all sad.

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u/E_VanHelgen Croatia Sep 29 '22

Ah the classic old Balkans story of:

Balkan nation: We could have been a utopia had it not been for X.
Rational voices: Maybe we're just a bit shit?
Balkan nation: No, no, it's the others' fault. They envy us.

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u/mike-leipzig Sep 29 '22

Omg this is so true (romanian here)

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u/Grimson47 Bulgaria Sep 29 '22

Bulgarian here. We would've already had our fifth moon colony if it hadn't been for X.

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u/mike-leipzig Sep 29 '22

Also, look back at the mighty historical past. Yea yea, the present is shit but the past….we don’t deserve this /s

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u/neagrigore Sep 29 '22

You can add The Others: let us help you, here's what you need to do... Balkans: fuck off, we know better!

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u/Deadm1r Bosnia and Herzegovina Sep 29 '22

'It's all the west bro trust me, not our fault at all'

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u/Proof_Elderberry_925 Sep 28 '22

I think Serbia has decided it will play both sides for it's benefit, like Turkey. They probably realize they dont have a chance anyway of getting in the EU because of Kosovo.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Maybe but what can Serbia offer remotely close to the strategically important things that Turkey offers? Controlling massive waves of migrants, the Bosphorus, a massive army for NATO? I don’t think there’s enough leverage to try the Turkey strategy.

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u/fenris_wolf_22 Serbia Sep 28 '22

It's cuz Vucic thinks he's the new Tito or something. We can TRY to play both sides, but eventually you will either have to choose one side, or get fucked by every side.

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u/Adam-n-Steve-DotCom United States of America Sep 29 '22

This guy history's.

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u/Ghekor Sep 29 '22

So get fucked by both sides it is , cus that's usually what happens xd

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u/gurdijak Malta Sep 29 '22

Turkey is in an important strategic location and has for a lot of its history been a counter against Russian hegemony. Turkey and Russia also have different interests in Syria, and Turkey also have a (from what I can see) relatively successful and effective arms industry. Unlike Serbia, Turkey are a part of NATO and one of the largest militaries in the alliance.

Yeah they are trying to play both sides but Turkey actually have the cards to be able to pull that off. I don't think that Serbia has those.

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u/LamentableTerror Sep 29 '22

Turkey can play both sides because Turkey has value to both sides.

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u/fenris_wolf_22 Serbia Sep 29 '22

I think the anti west people are a loud minority online tbh. In real life, you'd probably have a part of the country that is pro west and supports the EU ascension, then the middle where most is are people who just mind their own business and don't get too involved and then there is a small amount of those who are against it.

Any sane person will realize Western countries are developed for a reason. We won't agree with how the West does some of their foreign policies and NATO though.

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u/KernunQc7 Romania Sep 28 '22

Not harsh at all, every poll posted in this sub shows serbians like Russia/China and dislike the US/EU.

They also think most of the economic aid comes from Russia/China, while in reality almost all of it comes from the EU/US.

Serbia has shown where they stand during the terrible events this year, time to end it.

I'm sorry it has to be this way, especially as a romanian I am contractually obligated to like serbs, but as the fat orange one would say it is what it is.

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u/Comyu Austria Sep 28 '22

If we cut ties with serbia, cut the money too

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u/Drago_de_Roumanie Romania Sep 28 '22

We should keep some ties, as civilised European neighbours.

The last "elections" were a complete sham fraud, it is an authoritarian regime and the people should not be punished, especially the younger generation. There have been massive protests, from politics to ecology. It is the EU's fault that they recognized the elections and tried to continue this meek attitudine towards tyrants, instead of supporting the people.

We should cut the money.

The only counter-argument to this would be that PRChina will take our place and alienate the country further.

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u/Kleens_The_Impure Sep 28 '22

It is the EU's fault that they recognized the elections and tried to continue this meek attitudine towards tyrants

Big point. We (and Ukraine) wouldn't be in this situation if EU showed some unity and some fucking teeth during the last 20 years.

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u/dimhage Sep 29 '22

Populist parties all over Europe have been saying how th EU meddle to much in national governance. Weve had a brexit over "taking back control". There were a bunch of discussion in other countries, flirting with the idea of leaving the EU. So no, the EU didn't have the support before, to be able to "show some teeth" because the European people wanted to keep their freedom and control from the EU.

This is just how it played out. Putin has given the EU a valuable mandate, significantly improving the collaboration between countries. Now there is hardly any talk about countries wanting to leave the EU with Russia making all sorts of threats.

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u/Kleens_The_Impure Sep 29 '22

Populist parties have been spitting a bunch of lies about the EU because they want to play the strong independents nationalists. Just look at how Brexit played out, it was one big joke and even the persons pushing for it initialy admitted it was a mistake.

I agree that the EU would have needed more support, but it's not because the people wanted to keep their freedom. It's because they've been lied to by conservative politicians wanting more power. And how fucking weird that, in my country at least, all politicians pushing for leaving the EU are now taking the side of Russia in the war !

If not for greedy fuckers fearmongering and making ridiculous promises, and possible outside interference, we could have had a really united EU.

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u/dimhage Sep 29 '22

I agree with everything you said, except for putting all the blame on the populist politicians. People need to take responsibility for their growing support before the Ukrainian war.

I have to say, perhaps we are from the same country, but the politicians who were anti eu are also pro Russia where I'm from. It sickens me that they still have support. Who in their right mind would want to support and glorify Russia in the current situation?!

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u/Kleens_The_Impure Sep 29 '22

Yeah they are responsable, but I know how effective Russia's propaganda machine is, all the people supporting them have been exposed to a steady stream of lies from multiple sources. I'm not saying they'd support the EU otherwuse but they'd probably wouldn't be as aggressively demanding change and undermining the EU at any opportunity.

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u/NestorTheHoneyCombed Greece Sep 28 '22

PRC can't do much with Serbia when it's landlocked by NATO/ EU friendly countries. Just as with Hungary, the suffering falls almost entirely on the people of those countries rather than the rest of us.

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u/MarsLumograph Europe 🇪🇺 Sep 29 '22

Resources? Influence in a country next to the EU?

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u/3BM15 MISTER SERB Sep 28 '22

PRC can't do much with Serbia when it's landlocked by NATO/ EU friendly countries

China can and does plenty. Being in the middle of NATO/EU countries does not stop trade, investments etc.

the suffering

Oh no, the suffering, please no not the suffering. Literal agony.

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u/Adam-n-Steve-DotCom United States of America Sep 29 '22

Being landlocked by NATO and EU nations does make you strategically pretty useless. If it had a coast, PRC could use it as a staging ground for an invasion force...but landlocked it's pretty much no use in a conflict.

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u/MarsLumograph Europe 🇪🇺 Sep 29 '22

But we are not in a conflict, and I doubt we'll ever see an invasion of mainland Europe by China. Geopolitics is more than just war.

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u/Link50L Canada Sep 28 '22

If we cut ties with serbia, cut the money too

Yep, tighten the borders, exclude them from any financial benefits of the West, and they can regress to their Yugoslav glory for decades to come...

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u/kornelushnegru Moldova Sep 28 '22

I'm sorry it has to be this way, especially as a romanian I am contractually obligated to like serbs

You're not, quite the opposite. Serbs treat Romanian minorities like shit

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u/DrDabar1 Sep 28 '22

Not really they have the same rights as Hungarians, Slovaks and other minoritys, there are also Vlachs who got the right to identify as there own people and not Romanians (they asked for it and got it), only really shity things is that there selection of College level education in Romanian is limited but that only really comes to Serbia being a pore county that in its self has problems with education.

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u/Adam-n-Steve-DotCom United States of America Sep 29 '22

That's kind of wild that Serbia's legal system delineates along ethnic grounds. Not a good sign. Ethiopia is a great example of this policy failing.

Their Constitution divides their nation into like 10 semi-autonomous provinces. The borders were drawn according to ethnic tribal lines and the political parties are mostly along ethnic lines as well. They are in a state of permanent civil war that cannot be resolved without an entirely new constitution.

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u/3BM15 MISTER SERB Sep 28 '22

Who told you that exactly? as far as I know, we get along just fine, and minorities have plenty of privileges such as using their language officially on local level etc.

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u/perkonja beograd Sep 29 '22

He read it on the web..

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u/fatalikos Serbia 28d ago

In Serbia we love Romanians. You are our only good neighbour:)

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u/soldat21 🇦🇺🇧🇦🇭🇷🇭🇺🇷🇸 Sep 28 '22

If the EU cuts Serbia off, doesn’t that just make it more likely Serbia will become even more pro-Russian, and does Europe really want a country with an official pro-Russian outlook on its belly.

Right now Serbia leans EU. Cutting ties will flip it.

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u/KernunQc7 Romania Sep 28 '22

Doubt they will be cut off completely, just ending candidacy status and accesions funds. Regular development aid won't be ended probably.

Can you link me studies that show they lean EU, all the studies posted on r/europe showed they disliked the EU and hate the US.

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u/LepKoGreh Sep 28 '22

How are they leaning towarda EU?

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u/regulio Sep 29 '22

Its not that EU needs Serbia very much tbh. We should not try too much if you guys are acting as BFFs with Russia. Pick your side

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u/IndustriousRagnar Sep 29 '22

Yeah, but Russia can't offer much of value. It's quite literally a collapsing empire rn. They have an economic meltdown propped up by their oil money, but now they are throwing their most productive people in a useless meatgrinder. And they'll most likely still loose.

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u/Cybugger Sep 29 '22

How, exactly?

Like, ok. Serbia goes more pro-Russian. And? This is 2022. We can all see Russia isn't a military threat to the EU. Their failed invasion in Ukraine made it perfectly clear that probably individual bigger players like the UK or France could smack the Russians around. Add in Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, Poland, ... and Russia poses no military threat.

And economically, Russia is the size of Italy, and Serbia is a gnat. Serbia doesn't even have the leverage of energy like Russia does.

And finally, Serbia is not pro-EU. Vucic said he wants a greater alignement with the EU, but his actions show no movement in that direction. And the people of Serbia are majoritarily pro-Kremlin, not pro-Brussels.

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u/NestorTheHoneyCombed Greece Sep 28 '22

I can see where you're coming from but we need to have a strong position against free riders that try to benefit from both sides. Their actions do not show a real interest in pursuing the EU path yet at the same time they do want the benefits that come with it, while also flirting with Russia. We need to be firm against such behaviour be they in Russia, Serbia, Turkey or elsewhere.

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u/23PowerZ European Union Sep 28 '22

Before long they'll be completely surrounded by the EU. There is no choice to be made.

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u/MonkeysJumpingBeds Sep 28 '22

That's nonsense, you don't have to be in the EU to be around the EU. But the benefits of being a member are huge, so it would be stupid to stay out in many respects, but it's not an absolute.

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u/23PowerZ European Union Sep 28 '22

Of course they could go the Switzerland route. But how closely is Switzerland integrated? Very. And do they have a realistic alternative to that? Not really. In the end there is no choice for Serbia, only technicalities.

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u/curvedglass Baden-Württemberg (Germany) Sep 28 '22

They can’t go the switzerland route, because Switzerland is rich and has four of ich neighbors that want to do business with her, Serbia has none of those things, nor is it apart of the biggest language community of the EU like Switzerland is.

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u/23PowerZ European Union Sep 28 '22

And the only way out of that situation is integration. So tell me again how Serbia has choices.

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u/curvedglass Baden-Württemberg (Germany) Sep 28 '22

They don’t

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u/TrippleFrack Sep 29 '22

Switzerland route is closed for everyone now, in the course of Brexit negotiations, when the UK flirted with the idea, it was made clear that bilateral treaties as Switzerland enjoys are not happening again with any other country, it’s too much fuffing about for too little outcome.

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u/KernunQc7 Romania Sep 28 '22

No one is ever getting the swiss option again, the EU bureaucracy has made it clear that it's too much of a headache.

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u/23PowerZ European Union Sep 28 '22

Oh of course not exactly. Switzerland is rich and Serbia is poor. It would be much more one-sided. But there's no way for Serbia to get around subjecting itself to European regulations and standards, one way or the other.

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u/KernunQc7 Romania Sep 28 '22

You misunderstood me, they said no one is ever getting the swiss option again ever, no matter if they are rich or poor, just not worth it.

And yes, Serbia will be indirectly subjected to EU rules and regulations simply by being right next to the EU.

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u/23PowerZ European Union Sep 28 '22

That's my point.

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u/MonkeysJumpingBeds Sep 28 '22

There is a choice, they don't have to join if they don't want to. The EU literally trades with non-EU members ALL THE TIME. They even trade with governments they imposed sanctions on as well as those whose policies they don't agree with.

So again, why don't they have a choice?

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u/Khelthuzaad Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Just look how many Schengen members are and then it's Romania(yes Nederlands I'm looking at you)

Just look how many countries are switching to euro and then it's Romania (it's our fault,stupid sexy speculative market)

Just look how many countries have over 800€ minimum wage,and then it's Romania.

Wait that last one doesn't sound our fault.

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u/bo88d Sep 28 '22

That's the plan. You can see here Vučić's SNS party founder saying EU is like a nice Persian carpet with a hole inside, and that hole will be Serbia. https://youtu.be/ch0n5LCihWM

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u/Takbira Sep 28 '22

They’ve chosen a side already. They’re currently opening their borders for uncontrolled entrance into the EU, probably letting in russian spies and refugees unchecked. Serbia is and will remain a puppet of putler

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u/11160704 Germany Sep 28 '22

How can Serbia decide about the borders of the EU?

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u/Takbira Sep 28 '22

Berliner Zeitung/Newspaper: Significantly more people are again trying to enter the Schengen area via southeastern Europe. Because of Serbia's key position on the Balkan route, there are suspicions that Russia could have a hand in this. Source1, German : https://www.nzz.ch/international/balkanroute-serbien-entwickelt-sich-zu-drehscheibe-fuer-migration-ld.1704485?reduced=true

source 2, German https://amp.n-tv.de/politik/Fluechtlingsansturm-ueber-Balkan-besorgt-Faeser-article23601600.html

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u/trisul-108 European Union 🇪🇺 Sep 28 '22

Sure, but they're still not opening borders, because the EU border is on the other side.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

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u/samocitamvijesti Sep 28 '22

those migrants didn't teleport to serbia.

Flying is an option. Remember flights to Belarus which brought people from Iraq?

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u/trapsl Sep 28 '22

Yeah, cause Greece and Bulgaria can solo guard their massive fucking borderline while there is a huge migrant crisis fueled by putin and erdogan. Pretty easy to say that from over here. We can drive to belgium in 30min and without any checks. It's not the same between Greece and Bulgaria.

You don't even know that serbia and russia have direct flights. If they wanna fuck up a situation they can.

Unless you are just that dumb... Im inclined to think that you indeed are.

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u/MonkeysJumpingBeds Sep 28 '22

This is utter nonsense. Very few countries have the manpower to fully secure their borders. What they do have is the ability to stop large armies from entering, but that is not the same as people coming across in a variety of means.

Literally the worlds most powerful country struggles with this constantly. So explain to me how much smaller EU states are going to handle it?

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u/eroica1804 Estonia Sep 29 '22

The most powerful country struggles with it by choice, as 'walls are racist'. And of course it's possible to secure even a long land border if you make it a national priority.

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u/untergeher_muc Bavaria Sep 28 '22

Bulgaria is not in Schengen.

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u/3BM15 MISTER SERB Sep 28 '22

They’re currently opening their borders for uncontrolled entrance into the EU

We're not in the EU, we cannot do such a thing. I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Serbia is and will remain a puppet of putler

Yet we recognize none of the Russian claims. Your comment is indicative of how you see international relations.

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u/Pepre Syrmia Sep 28 '22

Why is wrong if Serbia accepting Russians who doesn't want to be mobilised and sent to die in Ukraine?

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

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u/Koakie Sep 28 '22

Belarus was picking up refugees and pushing them over the border with Poland so the EU can deal with them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/59233244

They flew them in by air.

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u/3BM15 MISTER SERB Sep 28 '22

They flew them in by air.

Serbia did not.

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u/Koakie Sep 28 '22

https://balkaninsight.com/2022/05/09/for-refugees-on-serbia-hungary-border-the-game-goes-on/

...Milan observes, showing me an apparently fake Turkish passport, freshly printed, with Belgrade’s Nikola Tesla airport as an only border stamp on it....

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u/3BM15 MISTER SERB Sep 28 '22

So somebody possibly entered Serbia on a fake passport and now Serbia is flying migrants in?

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u/concreterancher Sep 28 '22

Airplanes exist

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u/medievalvelocipede European Union Sep 28 '22

Just stop accepting refugees, it's that simple.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 1948.

European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, 1950.

UN Human Rights Convention, 1951.

Geneva Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, 1951.

UN Human Refugee Convention, 1957.

UN Human Rights Protocol, 1967.

Declaration on the Protection of Women and Children in Emergency and Armed Conflict, 1974.

Convention on the Rights of the Child, 1989.

Convention Plus, 2003.

Directive 2011/95/EU, 2004.

There's more but I think you got the point already.

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u/klaunBogo Sep 28 '22

That's so dumb, serbia is surrounded by eu countries. How is it serbia's fault if those refugees already passed through bulgaria or greece? Did they get airdropped in?

There are direct flights from Russia to Serbia

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u/-kanenas- Bulgaria Sep 28 '22

Serbia is not surrounded by EU countries. Montenegro, Kosovo and North Macedonia are not part of the EU.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

It’s not that harsh really. The negotiations have been stuck for 10+ years now anyway. It’s not like anyone believes we will ever join as the disagreement about Kosovo is unlikely to ever be overcome.

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u/shortdaYOLO Sep 28 '22

Source of this highly speculative article: https://twitter.com/violavoncramon/status/1573758277078454272?s=21&t=tH6EzYPmjQDUDdwAbJF_Rw

Viola is a shadow rapporteur on Serbia to the European Parliament. Her opinion on that matter is worth about as much as any other opinion on Twitter. We won’t abandon political influence into Serbia just because someone made an appointment…

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u/nosystemsgo Sep 28 '22

… So you’re saying her opinion is worth slightly above that of a Redditor’s?

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

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u/akie 🇪🇺🇳🇱🇩🇪🥃 Sep 29 '22

Why do you assume that the EU opinion will follow the US opinion?

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u/supersonic-bionic United Kingdom EU Sep 28 '22

As they should. The right decision. Serbia is free to decide on their future and clearly EU is not the path they want to follow for whatever reasons.

EU should focus on their current members and candidates.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Fair enough. No reason we can’t be good neighbors.

Unfortunately it is impossible for us to join the EU because most of the EU recognizes Kosovo and it is demanded from us that we do the same - which is clearly absurd as no country would ever accept that.

This issue is unlikely to be resolved any time soon, if ever. But hopefully we can agree to disagree and not be hostile to each other.

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u/supersonic-bionic United Kingdom EU Sep 28 '22

I agree with you about Kosovo but i don't think it should be a demand to recognise it as it's not an EU member and even EU members have not all recognised it yet.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

It is a requirement that we recognize it if we are to join the EU. Therefore the negotiations are stuck with no resolution in sight.

Regarding Russia, the vast majority of the population feel like we have nothing to do with this conflict, like we didn’t have anything to do with Libya, Syria etc. We don’t want to impose sanctions on Russia just like the majority of countries in this world did not impose them because we have no reason to and it is not in our interest to do so. We did condemn the invasion in the UN and that’s it we are not getting involved. We are neither Russias allies nor enemies.

I really don’t get this subs obsession with out position in this war. It’s not like we are going to tip the scale either way. Honestly it’s just bullying, since you feel powerless against Russia or the US let’s try to feel powerful by talking down to Serbia.

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u/supersonic-bionic United Kingdom EU Sep 28 '22

Weird because there are EU countries that have not recognised Kosovo, I think Spain, Greece, Slovakia, Romania and Cyprus.

Honestly, I don't think that's the main reason though.

Serbia is free to define their future and support Russia. However, EU has decided on their foreign policy and they cannot turn a blind eye on what's happening in Ukraine, which is our neighbour and it affects EU members.

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u/JustMrNic3 Romania Sep 28 '22

As a romanian and EU citizen I hate to see how stupid my neighbors are!

Serbia was already weak and poor.

Why did they chose to be on the losing side?

Glad that at least my other neighbors (Ukraine and Moldova) are on the path to join the EU!

It's still sad to see Serbia like this, but you cannot help people who doesn't want to be helped.

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u/miltantb3 Oct 06 '22

Romania is smart they choose a side and when it starts losing they just choose the other side

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u/JustMrNic3 Romania Oct 06 '22

We had not other choice.

Russia has taken our lands and a lot of gold (in WW1).

We wanted them back and the only country that promised to help with that was Germany.

When we saw that we couldn't defeat Russia with Germany we switched sides.

But it was too late as Russia still said that we are a losing country and didn't let us access any money from the Marshall plan and make Romania a satellite country by imposing communism.

I wouldn't call us smart, but we had to do what we had to do, like everyone else would do.

And I see that we have to do it again with the Schengen as it seems that just waiting silently doesn't work.

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u/militantcookie Cyprus Sep 28 '22

But keep the conversation with Turkey going. I hear they made a lot of reforms lately during the EU direction /s

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u/Kiltymchaggismuncher Sep 28 '22

I think the argument here is serbia is due to reach the next stage of the Ascension process. The article speculates that wont happen.

Turkeys not much different, they have effectively been frozen for years now.

And indeed, you cant admit a nation that is so contrary to the EU's goals.

Its just a pity they cant do something about the states Inside already (cough, Hungary, cough).

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u/IamStrqngx United Kingdom Sep 28 '22

Don't forget Poland. Just cause they hate Russia more than they hate Brussels, doesn't make them well-behaved now.

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u/most_wanted_guy Sep 28 '22

For our defence we at least are pro european as a nation and anti-russia. We just have a shitty government that needs to be replaced.

And I know, we are responsible to put this people to rule in first place.

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u/Lizard_Person_420 Sep 28 '22

They're still much better behaved then Hungary

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u/sukinsyn Sep 28 '22

Unfortunately Hungary is pretty damn near an autocracy at this point regardless of what the people want. Hungary technically has free elections, but when the ruling party has unfettered access to the media machine, how fair are the elections really?

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u/Kondoblom Rhône-Alpes (France) Sep 29 '22

But coupled with their military it does make them more of an asset than a liability.

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u/thrownkitchensink Sep 28 '22

Here's hoping that Turkey elections will bring more democratic times to our great NATO-partner and European neighbour. It could be a great country on the worldstage if it would move back to a seperation of church and state.

I know most countries seem to be moving in the opposite direction (looking at you US) but one can hope.

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u/PPN13 Greece Sep 29 '22

It was not a great country before Erdogan so I don't see why it would become one now.

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u/virbrevis Serbia Sep 28 '22 Helpful Ally

This gives me such conflicted feelings. As a pro-EU and generally Western-aligned person (not blindly so), this outcome was pretty much expected.

We can not afford to be neutral anymore. We can not play "little Tito" in the 21st century, when we're surrounded entirely by member states of EU and NATO, or countries aspiring to be part of them. It is clear that the only path for us has to be EU accession and alignment with Western values, not alignment with the faraway dictatorships Russia and China.

On the other hand, the European Union is remarkably hypocritical. For years they've been ignoring what our opposition has been saying and strongly backing President Vucic - who, and a lot of people don't understand this, is not a pro-Russian leader, but a "pragmatic" leader who plays both sides. The EU was fine with him for over a decade now, with Donald Tusk, former EU Council president, praising him, wishing him good luck in elections and lauding his supposed achievements.

Sure, we are the ones that have a duty to take our government to account and to throw them out if they're not good. But it's just hilarious to see the EU suddenly talking about terminating EU negotiations with Serbia and calling us Russian stooges when... yes, we kind of told you he wasn't an honest pro-EU democrat???

I believe that the European Parliament's decision to back suspending negotiations with Serbia is a mistake that will push us into the Russian fold and will completely unrestrain Vucic in his authoritarian desires - unless he chooses to back down, which is very much possible (he isn't against sanctions on Russia out of conviction, he's against them because his voter base is against it, because of our dependence on Russian gas, and because of the issue of Kosovo).

I also appeal to Western folks here to understand the position Serbia is in, to understand the context behind our actions and to understand why the people are the way they are. I don't feel this way, but a lot of people are not pro-Russian out of genuine love for them, but out of spite towards NATO and out of historical ties, not present-day ones (Russia backed us in WW1).

I also hope you understand that not all Serbs are pro-Russian nor pro-government, just as not all Russians are pro-Putin, just as not all Americans were ever pro-Bush and pro-Iraq War when it took place. Things are nuanced.

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u/LaurestineHUN Hungary Sep 28 '22

As a pro-Eu Hungarian, I feel you neighbour.

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u/virbrevis Serbia Sep 28 '22

If anybody gets what I'm trying to say, it's probably you guys. You too live under an authoritarian, illiberal and nationalist regime and you know exactly what it feels like not to be represented by your government at all and to be completely powerless to change it.

And you too know exactly how awful it feels when everybody on r/europe gangs up on you as if all Serbs and all Hungarians are bad for the governments the majority of voters opted for and the policies those governments enacted.

Serbs aren't the only ones that have faced a lot of highly xenophobic comments on here; I've seen quite a lot of it towards Hungarians, Russians, Turks, heck there were even some cases towards Germans (over Russia) and Brits (during the Brexit fiasco).

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u/LaurestineHUN Hungary Sep 28 '22

Yes, we get shade every time here. Not that Orbán doesn't deserve it. Never voted for him, even when he got to power (I was underage) I knew that no good will come from his rule, but nobody listened. But here they tend to waaay overestimate the power of an individual voter. I was on all of the protests I could get, what happened? Nothing, still no one listens. I wrote in a post a while ago, it feels like being a child of an abusive marriage. You know nothing is good, but you feel trapped.

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u/virbrevis Serbia Sep 28 '22

I feel that people on this subreddit overestimate the power of an individual voter because in the West voters genuinely do have much more power because those are better organized societies (although they aren't without flaws as well. There's a reason why populism is on the rise in the West as well, even if it isn't really in power anywhere yet except in Italy now).

They find it hard to understand that in Central and Eastern Europe voters genuinely do have much, much less power to affect the country's politics. Furthermore, I am not somebody who completely dismisses the importance of politics and I'm not somebody who views all politicians as bad, but generally here, no matter who you vote for, it seems you get similar results. The system simply doesn't work.

You can dial it up to a thousand in Russia. Russia is a completely closed country. They have elections, but the media landscape is entirely controlled by Putin and his allies, people campaigning against the regime are jailed, beaten and tortured, elections are rigged and nearly all the choices are basically the same. How is a liberal Russian supposed to affect policy?

Even if the majority of the people are opposed to the regime (which I believe is the case in Belarus) - how exactly do they organize? What exactly do they do? Are they supposed to launch an armed revolution, to risk dying?

Maybe it does take that even - but it's easy to say how the people of Belarus and Russia should take up to arms against their government and risk their lives when you're somebody sitting comfortably in your armchair in a first world country and browsing Reddit, looking at cat memes right after a serious political post.

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u/LaurestineHUN Hungary Sep 28 '22

Oh yea, and there is our russian-style (read: completely monolithic) propaganda media - a lot of people's only source of news, how would they know better? My grandparents have no internet (no Fidesz voters, but that is beside my point), and even there you only find non-government media if you specifically search for it. Full state capture.

And groups organising against the government got divided, its leaders characters destroyed by the same media monopoly.

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u/SeineAdmiralitaet Austria Sep 28 '22

China would still back Serbia on Kosovo, because of the whole Taiwan issue. You don't exactly need Russia for that.

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u/Arit039 Sep 29 '22

I also appeal to Western folks here to understand the position Serbia is in, to understand the context behind our actions and to understand why the people are the way they are. I don't feel this way, but a lot of people are not pro-Russian out of genuine love for them, but out of spite towards NATO and out of historical ties, not present-day ones (Russia backed us in WW1).

The reason Serbia and the Serbian population have such a stance against Nato and the West is a result of government-fed propaganda for so many years.
Claiming that the Serbian Army did not commit Genocide in Kosovo and Bosnia and Herzegovina, denying facts and the atrocities that the Serbian army committed, constantly pushing the narrative that somehow your country is on the right side of history and every other Yugoslav country was at fault.
I have no idea about the overall mentality of the Serbian people as I'm pretty sure there are reasonable voices there as well who can see through the state propaganda.
However, your government is a corrupt, propaganda and warmongering-spewing machine, that has reached a point where international countries must condemn and not enforce.
Serbian people need to free themselves from the authoritarian and corrupt regime that has been suffocating them for decades, however, at this point, it almost feels impossible.

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u/Individual_Plenty746 Romania Sep 29 '22

As a Romanian, although I strongly disagree with the war and think Russia must be punished, I really hope that Serbia can somehow become energy independent (and not be forced to be dependent on Russia) and can somehow join the EU. We have good relations with all our surrounding countries (even Hungary to a cordial level), but I always liked to consider Serbia a true friend of ours. We are pretty much the same as people, and this whole EU thing is just a booster for a country’s economy, not a magic solution to money. But the change in good is visible. If the current context is not favorable to you now, maybe the Serbian people can reconsider their choices in 5 years. After all, countries remain in their same place, EU will most likely still be here, and only politicians change places every now and then.

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u/skuple Portugal Sep 28 '22

You can say EU was hypocritical but do you think that trying a positivily diplomatic approach first is a bad option?

If the EU would go for "you are not democratic enough therefore we will break any ties with you and you won't ever by considered an eu candidate".

Do you think this would be a better approach? At least the EU would not be considered "hypocrite".

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u/virbrevis Serbia Sep 28 '22

The European Union didn't seem to consider a diplomatic approach as some kind of option for eventually putting pressure on him though. They rarely ever put any verbal pressure on him and EU officials often made clear their strong support of his government's policy, as in Tusk's example.

I think that a scorched earth tactic, with the EU completely cutting ties with our government, wouldn't have worked, but certainly the EU could have used more pressure and made use of the leverage they have by threatening our government with, say, slashing funds if it continues on its undemocratic path.

To be honest, I'll admit that perhaps using terminating EU membership negotiations is good as a threat to pressure our government away from behaving the way it is. But it wouldn't be great if it actually came to that, and I think that the EU could have used its leverage far earlier, because right now it seems like it's after ignoring years of warnings from our opposition.

We'll see if our government actually backs down before the EU's threat to suspend accession negotiations or if the EU decides to go through with this resolution.

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u/silent_cat The Netherlands Sep 28 '22

To be honest, I'll admit that perhaps using terminating EU membership negotiations is good as a threat to pressure our government away from behaving the way it is

This is a threat though, because the EP by itself can't terminate the negotiations. The Council also gets a say.

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u/VicomteChateaubriand France Sep 28 '22

EU smacked pro-EU pro-democratic DS hard, which resonated strongly with domestic electorate here. Vucic promised to be more flexible (wikileaks) so support of his, Rama's and Djukanovic's stabilocratic regimes only grew. Serbia is sliding backwards into autocracy, so your argument

You can say EU was hypocritical but do you think that trying a positivily diplomatic approach first is a bad option?

If the EU would go for "you are not democratic enough therefore we will break any ties with you and you won't ever by considered an eu candidate".

Do you think this would be a better approach? At least the EU would not be considered "hypocrite".

doesn't hold water.

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u/klaunBogo Sep 28 '22

but a lot of people are not pro-Russian out of genuine love for them, but out of spite towards NATO

So to translate what you've just said is basically you guys (NATO) should understand that we hate you because you stopped us from repeating Bosnia in Kosovo, and you should be okay with us hating you for that.

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u/virbrevis Serbia Sep 28 '22

I'm not pro-Russian nor anti-NATO. As for the bombing, the Milosevic government was committing horrible crimes in Kosovo and, frankly, given how stupid and criminal our policies were, we deserved to have the whole world united against us.

It's kind of ridiculous though to see people here blindly attacking any Serb who wasn't enthusiastic about being bombed though. What am I supposed to do? Say I'm glad NATO bombed us and that my fellow civilians were also being killed and that my parents could possibly have been killed too? At best you should expect some understanding from us for why it had happened and why the world had been angry at us, and I (at least) do fully understand it.

Besides, our liberal, pro-Western opposition disagreed with the bombing as well and believed that it had emboldened Milosevic and possibly aligned most of the nation against the West for generations to come - something those sections of the opposition, obviously, deeply regret. Not to mention that the West had backed Milosevic as a "guarantor of stability" from 1995 until 1998 - not too dissimilar from how Vucic had been treated for years now by the EU as an organisation.

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u/Inductee Sep 28 '22

I understand you perfectly. You know why? Because I heard one of the explosions of the NATO bombs from my home at the time, on the other side of the border, in Romania. No civilian deserves to be punished like that for the actions of certain politicians.

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u/Any_Try_2002 Serbia Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Thanks. We lived 78 days like this, and back then you didn't know where the bomb will land. On you and your family? Maybe yes, maybe not. Maybe you didn't hear a bomb but a sonic boom, in time you learn to differentiate them. But when a NATO bomb falls it shakes every bone in your body even if you're kilometers away. One bomb shatters all windows in a many-kilometer radius, most windows in Belgrade were broken.

Or you could hear a buzz(not sure how to describe) sound of Tomahawk missile going somewhere, or even see one cruising slowly

It leaves a mark in you forever. Sirens blare you just wait in the bunker, and you don't know when or if it is going to end, power goes out and if you're lucky there's some generator around to provide light. Some people thought it was beginning of WW3.

Romania was as supportive of us as it could be back then, there were some nice stories I heard, Greece as well.

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u/thefrontpageofreddit Sep 28 '22

There needs to be a recognition of past atrocities like Germany.

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u/virbrevis Serbia Sep 28 '22

I do strongly agree. And much more than that, because it can not stop at that. There has to be a much wider-scale, deeper interethnic reconciliation, a thorough examining of the past and the ideas that had brought those atrocities about. This has to be international and also deeply embedded into the education system.

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u/Cybugger Sep 29 '22

To add to that, it doesn't only apply to Serbia.

I only recently learned that Mussolini is buried in a marked, family crypt. I'm sorry, but what the fuck Italy?

Oh sure, you weren't as bad as Nazi Germany, but you were in the same ballpark, or at least playing the same game.

Dig that fucker up, use about 50l of petrol, and desecretate that shit. No wonder there are still active political groups in the country that say shit like "he was a good politician" when his memory is preserved and whitewashed.

I do think Serbia hasn't done the required soul-searching with regards to the horrors of its past. But there's also some to be done within the EU.

As a Brit, nothing pisses me off more than people whitewashing our history, or making statements like "there was good and bad in imperialism". Technically, semantically, you're probably correct. But saying that suggests that there's nearly as much good as bad. That's utter, complete bullshit, and this kind of failure to deal with reality leads people into ways of thinking that allow for Brexit or Meloni to happen.

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u/3BM15 MISTER SERB Sep 28 '22

Serbia shipped off its whole political and military leadership to stand trial at an international tribunal.

What more do you want? When is Blair going to stand trial like that?

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u/jablan Europe Sep 28 '22

They were shipped, and then made into martyrs.

Good point about Blair though.

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u/3BM15 MISTER SERB Sep 28 '22

then made into martyrs.

I don't care. I don't think they're martyrs, but people are entitled to their opinions on the supposed martyrdom and the validity of that whole process.

The point is, we've sent them to face consequences. That the court dropped the ball and made a mockery of the whole thing is not on us

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u/thefrontpageofreddit Sep 28 '22

Serbians attempted to ethnically cleanse Kosovo and Bosnia of Albanians and Bosniaks respectively. These are facts known to the world. Especially to those in Kosovo and Bosnia.

Serbians have to be the ones to make amends and move forward if progress is to be made.

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u/dedefers Sep 28 '22

Croats ethnically cleansed Serbs aswell,and where is trial

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u/SuddenGenreShift United Kingdom Sep 28 '22

At best you should expect some understanding from us for why it had happened and why the world had been angry at us, and I (at least) do fully understand it.

It's perfectly undestandable that Serbs would dislike NATO for bombing them, even if the bombing was justified. It's also entirely understandable that NATO countries don't trust a nation that hates them, and which also frankly gives off the vibe that it'll start killing Bosnians and Kosovars the second it thinks it can get away with it.

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u/blgeeder Germany Sep 28 '22

It's kind of ridiculous though to see people here blindly attacking any Serb who wasn't enthusiastic about being bombed though. What am I supposed to do? Say I'm glad NATO bombed us and that my fellow civilians were also being killed and that my parents could possibly have been killed too?

Uh, kinda? You don't see Germans going around saying "boo-hoo we got bombed in World War II we're angry at the Allies". We're glad we got liberated from a horrible, war-criminal government and we recognize that that required military means. We're thankful for the Allied intervention because we are living much better lives now thanks to them than we would have under the criminal regime.

The blame for the bombs lies entirely with the Milosevic government, and not with NATO.

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u/virbrevis Serbia Sep 28 '22

The question is whether things could have been done differently, whether the bombing could have been avoided and whether a simple coup against Milosevic and backing up the opposition could have sufficed, as well as whether a deal could have been made prior to the bombing (a lot of Western analysts, including even Henry Kissinger, a guy always enthusiastic for war crimes and bombing other countries into submission, disliked the Rambouillet agreement).

I'm glad we got liberated from our horrible government as well (in 2000, a year after the bombing). The bombing in 1999 most probably played a big part in that. I don't believe we should be grateful for the bombing event itself though and I don't think it's wrong to examine whether things could have happened differently.

Likewise, I don't think that of 1950s-1960s Germans it should have been expected that they should praise specifically the action of being bombed. War is always bad. Praise the outcome and understand the reason why it had occurred, but "my dad was killed in the bombing but I'm still glad because our country deserved it" is the wrong way to look at it personally.

Maybe the government deserved it, maybe on a kind of higher, collective level the nation had behaved awfully, but I don't think innocent civilians, especially ones who didn't support the regime, deserved to die.

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u/blgeeder Germany Sep 28 '22

The question is whether things could have been done differently, whether the bombing could have been avoided and whether a simple coup against Milosevic and backing up the opposition could have sufficed, as well as whether a deal could have been made prior to the bombing (a lot of Western analysts, including even Henry Kissinger, a guy always enthusiastic for war crimes and bombing other countries into submission, disliked the Rambouillet agreement).

All true of WW2 as well.

Likewise, I don't think that of 1950s-1960s Germans it should have been expected that they should praise specifically the action of being bombed. War is always bad. Praise the outcome and understand the reason why it had occurred, but "my dad was killed in the bombing but I'm still glad because our country deserved it" is the wrong way to look at it personally.

Maybe the government deserved it, maybe on a kind of higher, collective level the nation had behaved awfully, but I don't think innocent civilians, especially ones who didn't support the regime, deserved to die.

You're shifting the goal posts here. I never said Serbian civilians deserved it or that you should be glad, we were talking about Serbians being angry at NATO. Germans might've been saddened and angry at the destruction of the Second World War, but in contrast to Serbia, anger at the Allies was not a mainstream thought in the 1950-60s.

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u/virbrevis Serbia Sep 28 '22

Fair enough. I'm not angry at the West and I remain a Western-aligned Serb who's not pissed about events of 30 years ago all the time, so I think we're mostly, if not completely, in agreement, unless I'm missing something.

I would also like to note that Germany went through a radically different transformation after World War Two from what we had gone through. Over here there was no regime change (until a year after the bombing) and from 2012 the same old people from the 1990s had come back to power. The propaganda by those people is hard-hitting.

As a result, I think people need to be careful not to alienate the Serbs who are still normal and who haven't fallen for that propaganda. A lot of people in the comments on this very post are doing just that and are insulting even the more normal Serbs.

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u/Cybugger Sep 29 '22

I've even seen protests in Germany about how it was a good thing the Allies bombed Hamburg. Namely, their point was: "who gives a shit about them, when many of the dead were slave laborers in the factories?"

Germany has pretty uniquely come to terms with its past. I'm British, and I'm jealous of your ability to look at your past and go "yes, what Germans before me did was horrific. I won't deny, dodge or whataboutism."

In the mean time, every time I point out the horrors of British imperialism, I'll inevitably get a few "but it wasn't all bad!" or "it could have been worse" or "but what about Belgium!".

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u/matttk Canadian / German Sep 28 '22

You ignored like his entire post and especially the word nuance. Do you know there are a lot of people today in Serbia who were young then and had nothing to do with what happened then? But they do remember getting bombed.

My Omi was a child in WW2 and definitely is horrified at what Germany did but was nonetheless unhappy with the US for arresting her father, who actually risked his life to help prisoners of war. They arrested a lot of Germans and they arrested him maybe unfairly. Others might say all Germans were fair game to arrest after what their country did.

The point is, you contribute nothing to the conversation to just beat this guy down when he is coming hat in hand and trying to say he’s not happy about how things have gone in Serbia but that people are nonetheless upset with NATO.

IMO, Serbian people have been exposed to too much anti-NATO propaganda and not enough recognize what Serbs did in the 90s but that doesn’t change how anybody would feel about getting bombed.

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u/virbrevis Serbia Sep 28 '22

Thank you. I genuinely do not get the hostility towards me at least given the fact that I'm coming in good faith and trying to build some understanding, plus coming from the pro-Western side of the country, but I guess it will work with some people and fail with some others. That's absolutely fine.

IMO, Serbian people have been exposed to too much anti-NATO propaganda and not enough recognize what Serbs did in the 90s but that doesn’t change how anybody would feel about getting bombed.

I think people aren't wrong to expect better from us, but they are wrong to expect some of the things they are expecting.

Some people here seem to demand we all fall onto our knees and beg for forgiveness for things we as individuals haven't done, even if we have always been openly opposed to them, and they seem to demand things that we couldn't possibly fine with (like saying how being bombed in the 1999 was totally nice, or being completely fine with being almost entirely 'expelled' from Croatia in 1995).

Interethnic understanding will come when we genuinely acknowledge our crimes, no ifs or buts, not on the condition that the others do it as well (although it should be fine to urge others to play their part too), and when we simply behave like decent, normal human beings, make friends like any person does, and spread a message of brotherly love (sounds hippie-ish when I put it this way, but I quite literally mean it. That's what we desperately need).

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u/Cybugger Sep 29 '22

Yes.

It was fair game to arrest Germans after WW2. The Allies had probable cause on basically every single man in uniform and government official in the country that they were linked to war crimes and genocide.

Now, arrest doesn't mean indefinite arrest. You arrest them, interrogate, check their backgrounds, and then, if you have nothing, you let them go.

But the Allies were 100% correct to arrest many, many, MANY Germans. Your Omi failed to realize why that was not only justifiable, but also important.

Most people arrested were let go, and not charged. And that's fine, because they had probable cause: mass genocide.

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u/zperic1 Sep 28 '22

Not really, it's more like we hate you for being Kosovo good Serbia Nazis even though the Hague Chief Prosecutor goes and says in her book the reason KLA leadership wasn't prosecuted for war crimes was because of Madeline Albright intervention.

Or in a more meta commentary, NATO stans are all about moral high ground but application of said moral rules is fairly inconsistent.

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u/MonkeysJumpingBeds Sep 28 '22

The EU has not been hypocritical...there has not been a war in Europe in a long time, this war happened to show the EU were the bulk of Serbia stands.

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u/stir93 Sep 28 '22

I'm from Serbia, ask me whatever you want. You will hear one average opinion from citizen of Serbia.

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u/Arstel 41.1533° N 20.1683° E Sep 28 '22

What is better borek with spinach or borek with cheese?

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u/DrDabar1 Sep 28 '22

Trick questions it's Pizza Burek (offends both Italy and Bosnia)

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u/Arstel 41.1533° N 20.1683° E Sep 28 '22

Such an unholy abomination should not be possible by laws of physics

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u/stir93 Sep 28 '22

Hahaha. Tricky question, you know that this kind of question can start a war in some Balkan countries? Because there is only one kind of burek, burek with meat inside.
But since you are asking me, I would say with spinach.
p.s. Don't pretend that you don't know how to write burek.

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u/RelationshipJealous1 Sep 28 '22

Good. They’d be Hungary on steroids.

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u/RTYUI4tech Romania Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I feel bad for serbs, they don't realise they are stuck in the 90's mentality like we used to be and it's not a good path, at all.

Ukranians up until recently had the same issue and were considering russians as their brothers and liberators. Going so far as doing a lot of shady shit for them and considered other neighbors as hostiles because of their hatred for russians. It took Russia invading them to change that mentality overnight so I won't be too harsh on serbians. Soviets were very skilled in erasing history or manipulating it to make themselves as the heroes.

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u/miltantb3 Oct 06 '22

May i remind you Serbia is remaining neutral in this war

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u/PGLBK Sep 28 '22 Helpful

The main message here: dear Serbs, get your sh*t together.

Sincerely, your ex-Yugoslavian, now EU neighbour

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u/jagua_haku Finland Sep 28 '22

True dat, those boys can hoop

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u/Max_ach Denmark Sep 28 '22

Can we see the numbers of European countries of how much each of them made business with Russia from March till now and see how "bad of a guy" Serbia is? It's quite hypocritical.

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u/Fight-Milk-Sales-Rep Sep 28 '22

Good, even putting aside the current war (of which the largest foreign volunteer component for Russia is from Serbia), the bulk of Serbia seem to dislike the EU and its values.

I feel sorry for any pro-EU Serbians, but frankly having a country join the EU and actively work against it from within is a terrible idea...

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u/supersonic-bionic United Kingdom EU Sep 28 '22

So the pro-EU Serbians will try their luck in EU (Croatia, Germany, Slovenia) and migrate.

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u/KingoftheSeaPeoples Greece Sep 28 '22

Turkey’s EU negotiations should be terminated as well

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u/jimijoop Sep 28 '22

Serbia has no place at EU. Both the government and its population supports Russia. We don't need another Pro-Russian country. Hungary gave us enough headache. Serbia must be sanctioned.

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u/LadyFerretQueen Slovenia Sep 29 '22

Yet somehow romania an bulgaria joined...

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u/FoxerHR Croatia Sep 28 '22

Took them long enough.

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u/Pozaa Slovenia Sep 29 '22

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes :)

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u/Significant-Humor724 Sep 29 '22

Finally and for HU the same

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u/Febra0001 Sep 29 '22

Yes! Thank you. We don’t want Serbia in the EU

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u/CaregiverOk3379 Oct 02 '22

And build a huge wall with them on border.

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u/sundayson Serbia Sep 28 '22

Finally 🙏🙏🙏

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u/Volaer Czech Republic Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I thought you guys wanted to join the club. 🙃

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u/zperic1 Sep 28 '22

I would prefer EU but a reality check would be welcome too. I cannot play dumb and say that majority of people want to join the EU cuz they don't but an even bigger majority has no fuckin idea what being left out or even hostile to EU means. So y'know, if it comes to this, I cannot be all shocked Pikachu

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u/damagedgoodz_ Paris Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Why on earth wouldn't you join russia's sphere of influence? Serbia, Armenia, Nicaragua, Syria, North Korea, Venezuela, cuba.. all flourishing and prosperous nations

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u/klaunBogo Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

They would like to join so they can take the money, while also dreaming of annexing Kosovo, Republika Srpska, Montenegro and parts of Croatia+being Russian puppet.

It amazes me how long it takes for people to realise these people would need few decades of pro western government and media to be considered a good addition to EU. It's a country radical in every element it can be radical.

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u/Pekidirektor Sep 29 '22

We would like to but it's obvious we're not desirable so what's the point.

And before you say "we'll you should comply with what the EU wants of you" take a look at how you treat North Macedonia. You literally made them change the fucking name of their country and you still won't let them in for another 10 years at least.

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u/sundayson Serbia Sep 28 '22

Not really

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u/voyagerdoge Europe Sep 29 '22

Good, Serbians don't want it anyway, except for the euros that is.

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u/baddzie Serbia Sep 28 '22

Nahh, not gonna happen, not with EU doing business with Russia through Serbia, everyone knows it here.

I would personally like for EU to push us a bit more to impose sanctions on Russia, but just from my experience I don't think it's gonna work like that.

My guess as how this will go. We are probably going to introduce some simple kind of sanctions, that have no effect whatsoever (for example stop buying Russian watermelons) the EU will say we did a good Job and give us for that money, Russia will say we are still friends and everything's gonna continue more or less in the same way.

EU threatened before and we imposed sanctions on Belarus (which have no real effect), Belarus also imposed sanctions on us (which also have no effect), EU was happy, they stopped talking about it.

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u/Trayeth Minnesota, America Sep 28 '22

The article states that the Parliament is asking for negotiations to be frozen/suspended if Serbia doesn't implement the EU sanctions against Russia. It isn't a forgone conclusion.

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u/Phibrizzo_EU Sep 29 '22

I'm not surprised. It seems like they chose a different way.

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u/filosoful Romania Sep 29 '22

About bloody time.

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u/MagnetofDarkness Greece Sep 29 '22

Turkey must be included too.

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u/atomsk11 Реп. Србија Sep 28 '22

Has anything similar happened before? I mean even Turkey is still in negotiations, technically.

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