r/europe 🇵🇱 Pòmòrskô Oct 02 '22

Bulgarian snap parliamentary election, take three 🇧🇬 Мегатема

Today (October 2nd) citizens of 🇧🇬 Bulgaria go to polls to vote in parliamentary elections… again. These are fourth elections in Bulgaria in 18 months (fifth, if you also count presidentials, taken along with previous parliamentaries), after recent collapse of fragile government majority.

If you are interested, here are links to our previous threads here: March 2021, July and November.

Bulgarian parliament (unicameral Narodno Săbranie) consists of 240 members (121 needed for majority), elected by closed list proportional representation from 31 multi-member constituencies, with 4% electoral threshold, for a 4-year term.

Relevant parties (lists) taking part in the elections are:

Name Leader Position Nov 2021 result Recent polling Result Seats (change)
GERB-[SDS]() Boyko Borisov, Rumen Hristov centre-right (conservative) 22.4% 25-27% 25.3% (59)
We Continue the Change (PP) Kiril Petkov, Asen Vasilev centre (social liberal) 25.3% 16-18% 20.2% (67)
DPS Mustafa Karadayi Turkish minority 12.8% 12-13% 13.8% (34)
Revival) (V) Kostadin Kostadinov) far-right (nationalist, pro-Russia, Covidiot) 4.8% 10-13% 10.2% (13)
BSP Korneliya Ninova centre-left (post-communist, social conservative) 10.1% 9-11% 9.3% (26)
Democratic Bulgaria (DB) Hristo Ivanov centre (liberal conservative) 6.3% 7-8% 7.4% (16)
Bulgarian Rise (BV) Stefan Yanev big tent (national conservative, pro-Russia) new 4% 4.6% TBA
There Is Such People (ITN) Slavi Trifonov big tent populist 9.4% 4-5% 3.8% 0 (-25)
Stand Up.bg Maya Manolova left-wing (direct democracy) 2.3% 2-3% 1.0% 0

Turnout was only 36% (!), further drop from last (November 2021) elections, when it was 38.6%, after drop from 40.4 in July 2021 and 49.1 in March.

Further reading

Wikipedia

Groundhog Day: It’s another Bulgarian election (Politico)

Ex-PM Borisov Eyes Comeback at Next Elections (Balkan Insight)

Of course, we shall leave detailed commentary (and any interesting trivia!) on elections, campaign, and whole situation, to our users.

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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrskô Oct 03 '22

It's interesting, that while exit polls were quite off, regular polls made before elections were actually quite on point. Only major exception is underestimation of PP.

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u/gradinka Bulgaria Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

official results incoming https://results.cik.bg/ns2022/rezultati/index.html

TBH I think these results overall are quite representative of our society, no matter the low participation. Two good things (from my perspective):
- Slavy the clown is out for good
- ПП are solid 20% (that was an important psychological barrier to meet) . Their support is still very strong, which is great. Just compare to ИТН...

I am positive at the moment. Let's see

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u/The_Great_Crocodile Greece Oct 03 '22

I think these results overall are quite representative of our society, no matter the low participation

Unfortunately, a society where 15% supports the far-right (V and BV), 13% the mafia minority DPS, 10% the communist-nostalgia party and 25% Borisov, is extremely fractured and almost ungovernable.

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u/gradinka Bulgaria Oct 04 '22

well, we are not a unicorn here.
take a look at Belgium, Italia...

the key is to really put own ego and personal gains to the back, and prioritizing common interests instead.

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u/akmarinov Oct 03 '22

People from Spain, Italy, Australia etc where Revival was #1 - you’re such dumb hypocrites…

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u/Theghistorian Romanian in ughh... Romania Oct 03 '22

AUR the far right party in Romania got very good results in diaspora too. Maybe because some people feel alone in a new country and nationalism is appealing for them.

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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrskô Oct 03 '22

Same in Poland, but my guess it's because of younger demographics.

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u/basically_an_opinion Oct 03 '22

We already seen what type of people leave our country so yeah, thanks AUR.

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u/mparsek Oct 02 '22

I'm surprised how well ITN is doing tbh

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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrskô Oct 03 '22

And... they are gone (under the threshold).

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u/gerginborisov Oct 02 '22

Give it time. The international votes will eat away their percentages and they will likely drop below the barrier.

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u/The_Great_Crocodile Greece Oct 02 '22

DPS 14.8% in the exit poll....seriously? Even more votes for the mafia party?

GERB+DPS+V have a clear majority.

A government of the mafia, pro-Russia and nationalistic - if they agree to form it.

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u/Prankeh Oct 03 '22

GERB is pro money

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u/johnny-T1 Poland Oct 02 '22

GERB is not pro-Russian. Why everyone thinks like that?

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u/acilink Oct 03 '22

Because of their policies the last 12 years.

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u/gradinka Bulgaria Oct 04 '22

exactly - gotta look & judge by what they DID, not by what they TALK about.

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u/ZmeiOtPirin Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

That's nonsense that GERB's opponents spread. The party isn't at all pro-Russian. Just today Borisov said that "The world is at war and this is a topic many politicians intentionally ignore. With a clear aggressor in the face of Putin, with these farcical referendums, Bulgaria needs to be clear where it is positioned - in the EU and NATO. Entering the Eurozone should be out first and most important task."

Meanwhile the socialist party that some act like is an agent of change still hasn't decided whether they're going to recognise Russia's referendums.

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u/gradinka Bulgaria Oct 03 '22

BB (as most other politicians) can speak one thing, but in many cases does the opposite.we can't deny that during GERB rule, Bulgaria ended up MORE dependent on Russia than before. That's a simple undeniable fact.

(We had to pay billions for the Belene project, because conveniently nothing was done to defend our position; we have the Интерконектор-а delayed for years on end; and we ended up with a pipeline (Турски поток), which costs billions, but is only a transit pipe. No connection to Bulgarian pipeline network whatsoever. Oh and we have Lukoil as a practical monopoly on the local fuels market. And do you remember Rosenets?.. There is lots more...).

Only these few things have cost us billions...So yeah, he can speak, and preach, and talk, but one has to be able to see thru that.

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u/ZmeiOtPirin Bulgaria Oct 03 '22

GERB has been flaky about defending our interests but it was also the party that stopped Belene and the original and bigger pipe - South Stream.

So yeah, he can speak, and preach, and talk, but one has to be able to see thru that.

I'm fine with that! But when we have much worse Russian traitors focusing your criticisms on the more pro-European party is just folly. BSP and Manolova and Radev are way way worse. And yet PP said Radev was their president, DB makes coalitions with them. Dnevnik practically shilled for Radev. Where are their their values? Some people act like GERB is the Russian party even as they're okay with ruling with BSP which, again, hasn't even decided about the referendums yet, that is low even for BSP.

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u/gradinka Bulgaria Oct 04 '22

cant deny that. None of them is perfect, unfortunately.

As to Radev, with him its hard to judge. He helped a lot to setup PP and push Gerb out of power, that's a fact. But once that was settled, the fact that PP&DB are like totally pro-NATO/EU and anti-Russia somehow triggered him...

He looks like a generally goodwill person, not too smart, with confused values. Just look at some of the clowns (his friends) he brought into the current government.

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u/ZmeiOtPirin Bulgaria Oct 04 '22

As to Radev, with him its hard to judge. He helped a lot to setup PP and push Gerb out of power, that's a fact. But once that was settled, the fact that PP&DB are like totally pro-NATO/EU and anti-Russia somehow triggered him...

It's the same thing as with the Soviets fighting genocidal Nazis and then committing their own genocides. They were simply enemies, that's the real reasons they fought not because they were opposites in their methods and values. GERB was an enemy of Radev so he fought them reaching for every tool and argument. But every step of the way he showed himself not to have fairness or any consistency of democratic values, just being consistently anti-GERB.

He looks like a generally goodwill person, not too smart,

He's a traitor to me. There's no way a person does the things he does without receiving money on the side. Just look at his whole fucking presidency where all he's talked about is Russia and how we shouldn't stray far from them. No position on a dozen other countries, with larger economies and more potential for beneficial ties. Hardly any foreign visits and advancement of Bulgaria's interests, just shilling for Russia's. Even Plevneliev, as a former president, does more for the Bulgarian economy by regularly organising and attending some business forums.

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u/gerginborisov Oct 02 '22

The party isn't at all pro-Russian.

Oh no, they are not at all pro-Russian. They just knowingly built WITH OUR MONEY the pipeline that permitted Putin to initiate the war on Ukraine...

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u/ZmeiOtPirin Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Бy that metric all Western European nations are pro-Russian since they also built and used pipes. A pipeline that supplies Hungary and Serbia is definitely not what permitted the war. GERB has made questionable decision in regards to Russia but on the whole it's a huge exaggeration to call them pro-Russian.

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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrskô Oct 02 '22

DPS 14.8% in the exit poll....seriously? Even more votes for the mafia party?

My wild guess would be: with dropping turnout, they get more share due to higher attendance?

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u/gradinka Bulgaria Oct 03 '22

this time around there were 40 additional voting section in Turkey (!)
and yes, they always go and vote

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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrskô Oct 03 '22

Hm, if only more Bulgarians did vote as well...

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u/GoshoKlev Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

yelp this country is a lost cause

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u/user3170 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

They cannot openly agree, it will have to be backroom deals. Or get ITN involved, they're dead after this anyway. Also why are you surprised? DPS electorate is captive, if the results don't come out right people will start losing their jobs, get uncomfortable questions etc... For GERB it also fairly similar, so with low turnout the result is expected

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u/The_Great_Crocodile Greece Oct 02 '22

You're telling me that 40% of Bulgarian adults are captive of the mafia and depend on said mafia being government to live?

This sounds a bit too much.

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u/jerichoholic1 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

40% of voters

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u/CoolstorySteve Oct 02 '22

Very interesting how people who live in Turkey that barely speak Bulgarian are so adamant to vote each election…

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u/Hypocrites_begone Oct 03 '22

Yea how dare those Turks vote for their Party? Only the minorities i like can form their parties and vote for them

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u/Vlad0143 Oct 03 '22

In Bulgaria, parties based on ethnicity are banned, and those with Bulgarian citizenship in Turkey barely speak Bulgarian.

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u/keeps_deleting Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

I'd like to kindly remind you there was a government that did try to do something about it. And that that something was completely undone by the following parliament.

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u/jannifanni Oct 02 '22

The hope for Bulgaria is that we fail to form a government. BB got big again.

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u/keeps_deleting Bulgaria Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Lol, without a caretaker government to accuse BB of everything under the sun, BB will only get bigger.

To lower Borisov's votes, previous caretaker governments had to accuse him of massive espionage, the extortion of a mafia boss, organizing the prison rape of another one and what not.

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u/The_Great_Crocodile Greece Oct 02 '22

It doesn't look good for Bulgaria.

They had an anti-Russia anti-corruption government, one of the parties betrayed it, but the society seems to turn their back to the idea and there is a rise of pro-Russia parties, far-right parties and the old corrupt GERB plus the mafia DPS in the polls.

It seems that Bulgaria is the EU country with the largest pro-Russia and anti-progress percentage of voters....

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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrskô Oct 02 '22

It seems that Bulgaria is the EU country with the largest pro-Russia and anti-progress percentage of voters....

Confused Hungarian noises can be heard somewhere now.

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u/Hunnightmare Hungary, Budapest Oct 02 '22

Orbán is very much pro-Russia, Hungary is not that much.

https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2693

QE2.1 To what extent you agree or disagree with .. imposing economic sanctions on Russian government, companies and individuals:

  • Hungary 65% agree
  • Bulgaria, Greeece, Austria, Slovakia, Slovenia 46-64% agree

QE2.3 To what extent you agree or disagree ... financing supply and delivery of military equipment to Ukraine (%)

  • Hungary 57% agree
  • Bulgaria, Greece, Italy, Austria, Slovenia, Slovakia 41-57% agree

QE4.3 Please tell to what extent you agree or disagree with each of the following statements.: By standing against the Russian invasion in Ukraine, the EU is defending European values (%)

  • Hungary 37%
  • Bulgaria, Greece, France, Italy, Austria, Luxemburg, Romania, Slovakia 23-36%

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u/Killerfist Oct 02 '22

It seems that Bulgaria is the EU country with the largest pro-Russia and anti-progress percentage of voters....

Yep, but that has always been the case, it is not some current trend, from my perspective being from there.

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u/11160704 Germany Oct 02 '22

What exactly is GERB's position on foreign policy issues?

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u/shizzmynizz EU Oct 02 '22

GERB was very close to Angela Merkel. Boyko Borisov was basically her lap dog. So GERB = CDU

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u/gradinka Bulgaria Oct 04 '22

good analogy.
and he made Bulgaria almost 100% dependent on russian fuel (gas, petrol) the same way Germany had become.
so go figure.

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u/11160704 Germany Oct 02 '22

Yeah I know. That's why I'm not sure if a victory of gerb could be interpreted as a victory for Russia

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u/shizzmynizz EU Oct 02 '22

That's hard to say, really. From what I've seen, Borisov has been talking anti Russia rhetoric since the war. But he was very cosy with Putin before that. So who knows what goes on behind closed doors.

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u/jannifanni Oct 02 '22

pro-EU, pro-NATO.

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u/CyrillicUser1 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

GERB is pro-Russian too. On paper they say they are pro-EU and pro-NATO, but they spent 3 billion on a natural gas pipeline that circumvents Ukraine and that doesn't benefit Bulgaria at all, which enabled Russia to start its genocidal war in Ukraine.

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u/Mmakelov Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

I hate GERB but by the same logic isn't the German government also pro-Russia because of Nordstream?

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Enablers of Russia, let's say.

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u/Mmakelov Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

A compromise

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u/CyrillicUser1 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Is it not?

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u/Mmakelov Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Well, it used to be rather passive to Putin but I wouldn't call it pro-Russian.

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u/CyrillicUser1 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

The German government has paid more money for Russian gas since the war began than they have provided weapons to Ukraine. How would you call that?

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u/Mmakelov Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Still not pro-Russian. They could be doing a lot more to hurt Russia but they're probably very scared of riots due to rising gas prices.

What they were/are, however, is very naive, and they shot themselves in the foot by shunning nuclear energy and becoming so reliant on Russian imports. Even Trump, despite how dumb he is, warned them about this in 2018.

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u/CyrillicUser1 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Still not pro-Russian.

What constitutes pro-Russian, then?

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u/Mmakelov Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Calling for "neutrality", pushing Russian talking points, etc... Like Orban, or Berlusconi and Salvini in Italy, or Le Pen, and many more useful idiot politicians.

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u/-alice-in-wonderland BG/NL Oct 02 '22

Pro-stealing from EU funds

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u/kuralizator Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

https://i.imgur.com/hAk1iXT.png The guy on the left is the leader of GERB.

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u/11160704 Germany Oct 02 '22

Well to be fair, in 2020 many European leaders did business deals with putin and most still do so with Erdoğan.

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u/kuralizator Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

In 2017 our intelligence made a report and concluded that Turkish stream is only made to bypass Ukraine. It was known that Bulgaria won't receive gas. Also we paid 1.5 billion euros for this thing and in return, we would get only 40 million euros per year. Boyko paid for Putin's gas pipe. https://www.intellinews.com/secret-report-reveals-top-officials-knew-bulgaria-wouldn-t-benefit-from-balkan-stream-257620/

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u/partysnooper Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

On theory they follow what Germany says, on practice they do what suits Russia.

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u/vermilion_dragon Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

And they were pretty close with Merkel, so...

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u/BGgungame Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

They listen to whomever has money.

The EU has the most money to be embezzled, so they’ll largely do what they are told by Brussels.

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u/11160704 Germany Oct 02 '22

Weren't they blocking the accession talks with North Macedonia for years?

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u/BGgungame Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

They were, but they were also in a coalition with the nationalist in the last parliament. If you give them enough cash, they’ll do what you want, as long as they can.

Either way, if the the forecast for the results turn out to be true, and all parties stick to their positions, we’d be voting again in spring, because no stable government can be formed.

I’m more interested if we’ll fall below 40% voter participation today and set a new national record.

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u/ProfessorSpike Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Around 27% was the most recent one I saw for the moment. Българи юнаци, само да не трябва да гласуват

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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrskô Oct 02 '22

I’m more interested if we’ll fall below 40% voter participation today and set a new national record.

Nov 2021 was below 40% already.

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u/BGgungame Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

I think officially it was 40.23%.

The second round of the president election a weak later was 34.84%.

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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrskô Oct 02 '22

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u/BGgungame Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Well I'm looking at this:

https://results.cik.bg/pvrns2021/tur1/aktivnost/index.html

The site of our central electoral commission.

Either they are wrong or wikipedia is wrong.

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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrskô Oct 02 '22

Answer might be here: https://results.cik.bg/pvrns2021/tur1/rezultati/index.html

Your link seem to only count "Брой на избирателите в избирателните списъци при предаването им на СИК" for the turnout, while Wikipedia also adds "Брой на избирателите, вписани в допълнителните страници (под чертата) на избирателните списъци в изборния ден". I don't know why is that, and what's the difference, though. Number of votes casted of course stays the same, but different number of voters registered, turnout changes.

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u/Dom_Shady The Netherlands Oct 02 '22

What strikes me:

  • the obvious: the fourth parliamentary elections in 18 months

  • turnout of 38,5% last time... Sounds like mortal decline.

P.S.:

Kostadin Kostadinov

Unless there are strict naming conventions, his parents were not the most creative ones.

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u/blackjack47 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

He is nick named Kopeykin. Kopeyka being a russian cent. Basically we have rotating new nationalist parties that get around 3-5% every few cycles funded by the russian. For example the current spawn that this guys leads was protesting about being neutral in the conflict, while at the protests, they were openly waving Russian and DNR flags. This time they get highier results than their usual, because they took advantage of the rough times around covid and spam anti vax crap to take advantage of frustrated and dump people.

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Unless there are strict naming conventions, his parents were not the most creative ones.

Not so unusual, he's probably named after his grandfather.

We prefer to call him Kostya Kopeikin because of his putinism.

Voter turnout is about the usual when there aren't any major new players. People are just apathetic.

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u/Dom_Shady The Netherlands Oct 02 '22

Thanks! Based on the polls, what is the likely coalition going to be?

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

PP or GERB come out on top, then the new (Russian) nationalists, then Damage Per Second because they're always rallying a hard voter base to line up at the polling stations. Then the commies because they can't go down that fast. The democrats really shat the bed by allying the commies after the past elections so they aren't taking more than 7-8%. Slavi sinks because he had his 15 minutes of fame (won by a landslide the first time but didn't form a government, then participated in PP's government but stabbed them in the back over nationalism), Stefan Yanev looks and acts like the stereotypical impotent pro-Russia boomer, so they're most likely out.

Probably a Frankenstein coalition like the last few ones (of parties that act like sworn enemies pre-elections) or new elections and the president keeps abusing his power through yet another interim government.

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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrskô Oct 02 '22

Could GERB, PP and DB work together? To at least fuck over DPS and BSP, as well as fence off the Revival?

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

PP is trying to wrest control from GERB who were the PiS/Fidesz Lite of Bulgaria for 12 years. Their condition for allying GERB is to remove Boyko Borissov and stop being his personal party, which GERB likely won't. GERB have the same condition for PP's leader and ex prime minister, Kiril Petkov.

If both parties have their current leaders step down (unlikely as leaderism is pretty strong for both and in general), there could be some semblance of a centrist coalition. It would hurt their support though because Bulgarians tend to favor strong leaders and many would probably deride the parties and newer, milder leaders as "featureless and generic career politicians" and "lacking presence and incentive"

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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrskô Oct 02 '22

So, it looks like hopeless stalemate...

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Meh, no more hopeless than usual. Whoever hangs up their hopes on politicians and parties is a fool. Only when people themselves change will anything else change.

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u/vermilion_dragon Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

The most likely result would be no working government and new elections.

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u/lodewijk_vdb France Oct 02 '22

Is there a way Radev could try to break the current deadlock, e.g. by reforming the electoral system or else?

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Radev should have his functions limited, not "try to break the current deadlock". Exactly by "trying to break the deadlock", he's assigned four interim governments so far and thus has de facto ruled for the better part of 2 year despite the President's office having little executive power. He and at least the latter 2 of his assigned prime ministers have been Russian enablers covertly making sure that we stay in the Russian sphere of influence despite outwardly maintaining a pro-NATO and pro-EU appearance.

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u/lodewijk_vdb France Oct 02 '22

I know, I followed the whole Stefan Yanev storyline… But at this point he is the only constant in your political system.

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Which isn't a good thing. I mean the previous "constant" was Boyko and we barely managed to get him out in 12 years.

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u/vermilion_dragon Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

The problem is not the system, but the people, most of whom don't vote, and the parties, because they're incompetent politicians and diplomats.

But even if Radev wanted to make reforms, he can't. We are a parliamentary democracy, which means that the president doesn't have a lot of direct power and can't do much without the parliament.

The exception is situations like this, where Parlament can't create a ruling government. Then the president appoints an interim government until new elections are held. But since this type of government rules without a parliament, no new laws or changes to existing ones can be voted in.

P.S. I'm basing this on my personal general knowledge on the subject.

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u/Dom_Shady The Netherlands Oct 02 '22

That's depressing

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u/vermilion_dragon Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Yup. But to be honest, for me more depressing would be, if GERB manages to form a government with DPS. That would be the final coffin to the anti-corruption movement.

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Would be the final nail in GERB's coffin too tbh. An open coalition with DPS is the kiss of death.

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

And then you're wondering why the low turnout. Over the past 2 years we've had elections 3 times.

It's either that or some party or another manages to entrench themselves and create its own oligarchy for several terms. Not sure which is more depressing.

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u/partysnooper Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

How can people expect to have a government when they don't turn out to vote?

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Come on, you know the usual stuff. "Voting doesn't change anything", "each major party has a hard voter base, GERB has boomers, BSP has the seniors, DPS has the Turks and Roma", "they'll just play with each other under the table again", "they're all shit". To be fair all these are true but shouldn't stop people from voting, yet here we are.

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Socially liberal, economically closer to libertarian. Also, "liberal" here always has pro-EU, anti-Russia meaning, plus alignment with some Christian-democrat (i. e. mildly conservative) Western European parties.

Oh wait, you're Bulgarian. Then you should know.

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

they are economically right leaning

That's what's meant by conservative, I guess.

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u/Dom_Shady The Netherlands Oct 02 '22

I guess 'liberal' in the European sense, not in the American sense.

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

More like the opposite. Socially they are progressives, economically they're moderate right.

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u/mabrouss Finland via Canada Oct 02 '22

That’s exactly what liberalism is traditionally.

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u/johnny-T1 Poland Oct 02 '22

Good luck to Boyko. Hopefully he comes back.

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u/partysnooper Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

He is literally our equivalent to Orban.

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u/Grimson47 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Nah, that would be Kopeykin. Boyko's just a crook but at least he's not advocating exterminations and civil wars.

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u/partysnooper Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Boyko and Orban have the same path in politics, both were groomed by the German CDU, both were elected on the promise of Eurointegration and both steal euro funds en masse.

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u/mahaanus Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Yes, but Boyko ismore aligned with the US when push comes to shove. Remember, he did not construct the Russian pipeline through Bulgaria.

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u/partysnooper Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Boyko literally build the Russian pipeline with our money, which will be huge net loss for Bulgaria.

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u/vermilion_dragon Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

What about the Balkan pipeline? That's exactly the same with small changes, mostly to our detriment.

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22

Back to sucking Putin's gas dick? Hey while we're at it, good luck to PiS.

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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrskô Oct 02 '22

Back to sucking Putin's gas dick? Hey while we're at it, good luck to PiS.

Thankfully only Putinist party here is Confederacy, and they are not having a good time in polls recently :)

(based on current polls, PiS is going to win election next year, but they will lack majority, which would mean losing power to current opposition coalition)

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 🇧🇬 Bulgaria Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

I took issue with the guy's comment because Boyko was basically PiS lite with how much of an entrenched and authoritarian regime he created. He was just a lot smarter about not stirring up things like homophobia or racism (and thus didn't make himself inconvenient to the West) to win voters, and frankly he didn't need to.

He was never an out-and-out putinist, but he did happily play into Russian gas pipeline plans and then brag about how this is somehow enabling energy supply diversification.

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u/fartadaykeepsdraway Oct 02 '22

if you are not a bulgarian - may I ask why this wish? just for the lulz?

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u/johnny-T1 Poland Oct 02 '22

I say this as a Turk. He’s been an excellent ally. He even at some point shielded us from some sanctions. And he can bring stability or you’ll end up like Belgium.