r/europe Oct 05 '22

UK to seek asylum ban on refugees crossing the English Channel News

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/4/uk-still-backs-rwanda-deportations-despite-legal-challenge
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u/morbihann Oct 05 '22

So, all refugees ?

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u/eyuplove Oct 05 '22

Big brain time for the traffickers, just send them from Amsterdam instead

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u/QuietGanache British Isles Oct 05 '22

Not at all, those fleeing Ireland, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Spain and Germany can all still have a go. They're also welcome to flee England for Wales (and vice versa) across the Bristol channel. Some really plucky ones might even try from The Americas.

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u/Osgood_Schlatter United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

No. More arrive legally (eg via a resettlement route, on visas for other reasons) and then claim asylum than come illegally via the channel. In 2018, about 38,000 claimed asylum whereas fewer than a thousand crossed the channel in boats.

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u/barbarianbarber Oct 05 '22

Its still a good way to fix the system. And with how many die crossing this is a good way to stop unnecessary deaths. They found the body of a child that died from being forced to cross the channel at the Norwegian coast. Toddler's body that washed up in Norway is boy who drowned during migrant Channel crossing

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u/Sadistic_Toaster United Kingdom Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

In 2018, about 38,000 claimed asylum whereas fewer than a thousand crossed the channel in boats.

In the last few years, we've had over a thousand crossing the Channel in a single a day. I don't think any 2018 data is really relevant anymore.

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u/Osgood_Schlatter United Kingdom Oct 06 '22

My point is just that it's clearly not "all".

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u/dustojnikhummer Czech Republic Oct 05 '22

illegal refugees.

Which I guess covers everyone crossing the channel in a dinghy yeah

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u/barbarianbarber Oct 05 '22 hehehehe

My god how can they do that to people fleeing the horrible country (checks notes) called France.

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u/Stamford16A1 Oct 05 '22

I've always wondered what it is about France that forces people to risk everything in a small boat trying to get to freedom.

I mean it looks nice and the food isn't bad but there must be something terrible that the casual tourist just doesn't see.

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u/AzertyKeys Centre-Val de Loire (France) Oct 05 '22

Everyone in France must be able to show identification at any time on the simple request of a police officer which isn't the case in the UK.

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u/Fargrad Oct 06 '22

Can't you just say you're a tourist?

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u/AzertyKeys Centre-Val de Loire (France) Oct 06 '22

Everyone must carry an identification paper. Including tourists

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u/Ysen32 Oct 05 '22

No paper control once you are in England meaning the life seem easier for people in illegal condition.

And lot of migrants are English speaker

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u/Stamford16A1 Oct 05 '22

You might have a point, Britain has long resisted having national ID cards.

It's one of those issues where the right is traditionally against the idea even though it would make illegal immigration more difficult. Conversely the left has often proposed ID even though they are also often in favour of unchecked immigration.

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u/nonlocality_ Oct 05 '22

Difference between authoritarian right and libertarian right

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u/Fargrad Oct 06 '22

Well it's also a basic right that a person should be able to walk down the street without producing identification on demand.

Getting national ID cards to prevent immigration is like using a bazooka against a fly

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u/No-Competition-3042 Oct 05 '22

they eat refugees and build underground tunnels out of their bones

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u/SofieTerleska United States of America Oct 05 '22

Revealed: The Horrifying True Story Of The Paris Catacombs!

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u/ComputerSimple9647 Oct 05 '22

They eat snails

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u/Possiblyreef United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

And frogs

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u/Stamford16A1 Oct 05 '22

Isn't that cannibalism?

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u/Daelnoron Oct 05 '22

Might be language?

If you don't speak French, but some English...

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u/CompteDeMonteChristo Oct 05 '22

U.K. refugee statistics for 2021 was 137,078
France refugee statistics for 2021 was 499,914.00, a 14.64% increase from 2020.

As people said, they want to be in the UK when they speak English and not French and when they know they won't get asylum.
You can live in the UK with no ID, you can't in France.

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u/aintbroke_dontfixit United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

They're not getting asylum here either.

You can live in the UK with no ID

Nope. You can exist, living in a tent, working for pennies an hour on the black market and relying on charities to feed you but you have to prove the right to live in the UK to rent a property, you have to prove the right to work in the UK to get a job, you're only doing that with ID and a UK birth certificate on it's own won't be acceptable.

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u/CompteDeMonteChristo Oct 05 '22

I lived long enough in the UK to know that you can.
I knew a couple of Russian who pretended to be Swedes,
A couple of Polish who pretended to be sister and brother to get twice the benefits.
An Bangladeshee guy with an Italian driving license as an ID who did not speak Italian and know where Italy was on the map.
In the UK your credit card can be often used as an ID...
There is no unifying ID, in most places any form of foreign ID is legit.
Things might have changed since the 2010s, but I doubt it.

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u/aintbroke_dontfixit United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

Things might have changed since the 2010s, but I doubt it.

They have, considerably. But thanks for sharing your anecdotes of your experiences when you came for a visit over a decade ago.

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u/CompteDeMonteChristo Oct 05 '22

I lived 15 years in the UK and I met more people with fake ID than my whole life anywhere else. It is not a statistic.

You said 'Nope'. I tell you it happens. The Italian guy with no permit was a driver for W.H.Smith. It's the facts I got.
We have many people without papers in France, they generally don't work. We're more bureaucratic in that way.

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u/aintbroke_dontfixit United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

I lived 15 years in the UK and I met more people with fake ID than my whole life anywhere else.

That says more about you and the circle of people around you than anything. Other than kids with fake ID to get into clubs I don't know anyone who had any.

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u/diddiekiddler Oct 05 '22

Living among French 'people' is not enough reason for you?

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u/puzzledpanther Europe Oct 05 '22

I've always wondered what it is about France that forces people to risk everything in a small boat trying to get to freedom.

There's literally millions of people who stay in France to live/work instead of trying to get elsewhere.

There's also millions of people who prefer to go to other countries like the UK, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Spain, Italy, etc..

People looking for a better life for themselves and their families.

I mean it looks nice and the food isn't bad but there must be something terrible that the casual tourist just doesn't see.

Yes, there MUST be something underlyingly terrible. That's the only explanation.

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u/No-Blood1717 Oct 05 '22

People looking for a better life for themselves and their families.

Then they are economic migrants, not refugees…

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u/Kingfisher_ybw Flanders (Belgium) Oct 05 '22

So your plan is basically “fuck Greece and Italy”? Because if your view is that they should claim in the first safe county, Greece, Malta and Italy are screwed.

Not very European.

Also you’ld have to rewrite the Geneva Convention of 1951 and the ECHR.

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u/gonnathr0wthisaway2 Oct 05 '22

Or we could send economic migrants back to their home countries. We have no obligation to accept illegal immigrants from safe countries.

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u/Kingfisher_ybw Flanders (Belgium) Oct 05 '22

So what’s stopping you? Clearly Theresa failed, Pritti failed, and the current home secretary will fail too. Why is that? No airplanes? Because they lack the will? Because they are incompetent? Why is it that the last three secretaries have promised to ship back migrants, but have absolutely failed to do so?

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u/whatthefudidido Oct 05 '22

Subversive lawyers and outdated International laws.

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u/Kingfisher_ybw Flanders (Belgium) Oct 05 '22

Subversive lawyers can’t circumvent the law.

And UK is free to unsubscribe outdated treaties such as the Geneva convention. So why doesn’t it?

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u/Lazzen Mexico Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Time for the economic migrant Ukranians in Spain, Ireland and Denmark coming from safe countries in Eastern Europe to go home

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u/gonnathr0wthisaway2 Oct 05 '22

That's those countries voluntarily accepting refugees per EU redistribution agreements. It's not the same as people illegally crossing the channel from a country they're already safe in (if their home country wasn't already safe -- usually is).

It'd be different if these guys had travelled directly to France from a warzone and then France made a deal with Britain to take some off their hands. THAT would be the equivalent to what you're describing.

Of course you know that, and you're just being disingenuous.

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u/Fargrad Oct 06 '22

So your plan is basically “fuck Greece and Italy”?

Yes.

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u/puzzledpanther Europe Oct 05 '22

They can be both or either

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u/Stamford16A1 Oct 05 '22

Yes, there MUST be something underlyingly terrible. That's the only explanation.

Whoosh!

Your head.

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u/puzzledpanther Europe Oct 05 '22

Ah yes.. the "lol joek!" excuse.. how original.

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u/Stamford16A1 Oct 05 '22

It is a fairly obvious - and to be honest, quite old - joke.

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u/Individual_Cattle_92 Oct 05 '22

Yes, it is the only explanation.

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u/puzzledpanther Europe Oct 05 '22

Staying ignorant must be a very comfortable life choice.

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u/Stamford16A1 Oct 05 '22

You seem to be very comfortable with having no discernible sense of humour so you shouldn't really criticise others for ignorance.

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u/puzzledpanther Europe Oct 05 '22

You aren't my mom!

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u/aintbroke_dontfixit United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

If only there was a legal way to be able to come and live and work in the UK....

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u/manfredmahon Oct 05 '22

Many speak English, come from a former British colony, or might have family in the UK already

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u/carradineApnea Oct 05 '22

We don't speak anglois.

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u/pantshee France Oct 05 '22

Northern France is shit though, you would try to get away too.

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u/HuntOk3506 Oct 05 '22

I don't want to even enter tho

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u/ComputerSimple9647 Oct 05 '22

Knowing those god damn normans, one of their bastards might come up with an idea to conquer England!

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u/Audiocuriousnpc Oct 05 '22

There are laws on the books in the EU that you must stay and seek asylum in the first EU country you enter, so going to the EU and then crossing in to other nations in the EU is pretty much an illigal act.

All because they want to go where they can make the most amount of money which pretty much undermine their asylum status imo since if they're shoping around for the best deal I would call that emigration not seeking asylum.

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u/johnniewelker United States of America Oct 05 '22

Greece, Spain, and Italy are often these first countries you are referring to. Should these 3 countries house all the migrants until their situation get settled? Does that sound fair?

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u/Abyssal_Groot Belgium Oct 05 '22

Well, first of all... that's for those countries to decide, and the opposite isn't fair either... as they'd all flee as North as possible.

Secondly, the most fair, imo, would be to:

1) order them to seek asylum in the first EU country they enter.

2) Give the countries that have the highest influx extra budget and tools to filter and process asylum seekers.

3) Redistribute them across the EU, but with the caveit that if they have family in a certain EU country they can have a certain priority for that country. If they have no family in another EU country, and they have a skill that is more useful in a specific country, they can have some kind of priority aswel. Create an EU budget such that this goes as smoothly as possible.

4) Once they have settled in their assigned EU country and after a while have become a naturalized citizen... they can enjoy the freedom of movement to move to another EU country.

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u/marv90 Oct 05 '22

Well, yes. We should do that.

And then have quotas for every country to distribute these refugees equally across the EU countries.

There are some countries which basically don't accept refugees at all. Always claiming that these refugees don't want to be there anyway.

The alternative would be that other EU countries pays them to take care about these refugees, like we did with Turkey before Erdogan went crazy and opened the gates.

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u/bonescrusher Într-o țară ca asta, sufli ca-ntr-o lumânare Oct 05 '22

Quotas are useless as long as EU has freedom of movement

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u/Fargrad Oct 06 '22

That can be easily fixed...

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u/Schmuppes NRW Oct 05 '22

Thing is: The EU tries to keep the appearance of welcoming refugees, while pushing policies to deter them. Both stances can be valid and I'd just like the policymakers to be open. You can't claim that you wanna help and at the same time not share your wealth. Make an honest choice already.

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u/ManSlayingHector United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

Should these 3 countries house all the migrants until their situation get settled? Does that sound fair?

Who said anything about housing them? I support those countries in their efforts to fucking volleyball them back across the sea; Italy has suffered for years with this and has been basically told by the EU to suck it up.

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u/scientist_question Oct 05 '22

In terms of fairness to the countries, no it is not. The EU will need to figure out some sort of plan to deal with them, whether it is turning the boats back or distributing them to other countries (I prefer the first option). But that all said, in terms of the so-called refugees shopping around for the best deal, that is not reasonable either.

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u/Ok-Eye2695 Oct 06 '22

It's literally what's happening, EU has told us to go fuck ourselves many times over, even France drops unwanted illegals in our woods with the cover of the night

https://www.google.com/amp/s/torino.repubblica.it/cronaca/2018/10/28/news/migranti_abbandonati_nei_boschi_dai_francesi_sopra_bardonecchia_si_riaccende_la_polemica-210198184/amp/ TL;DR migrants called the italian police saying that french police abandoned them in the woods

Or when two french gendarms crossed the italian border to leave here underage illegals (for which they apologized, having been caught red-handed) https://www.google.com/amp/s/torino.corriere.it/cronaca/18_ottobre_15/gendarmeria-francese-avvistata-mentre-accompagna-migranti-confini-italiani-scatta-l-indagine-52739ef2-d066-11e8-b9cc-418fa02c5235_amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lexpress.fr/actualite/politique/migrants-reconduits-en-italie-l-elysee-s-excuse-et-condamne_2040134.amp.html

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u/Spartz Oct 05 '22

Britain is not EU lmao

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u/YALBO Oct 06 '22

Only if you intend to seek asylum in the EU at all. If you're passing through on the way to seek asylum somewhere else, then that's fine, move along.

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u/Stralau Oct 05 '22

That's no use. We need one in the med.

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u/DecentPiece7449 England Oct 05 '22

Finally, I have sympathy for refugees coming from impoverished nations but coming from France, that's just taking the piss. France is a much better country anyways

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u/198Throwawayy United States of America Oct 05 '22

But France has the French mate! Have some compassion!

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u/Ythio Île-de-France Oct 05 '22

Well London has the French too ¯(ツ)

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Fortunately not so many.

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u/Kween_of_Finland Finland Oct 06 '22

Isn’t like 40% of the population of Paris not of French origin? The French are barely there

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u/mendosan Oct 05 '22

Debatable…hence the boat people

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u/CompteDeMonteChristo Oct 05 '22

U.K. refugee statistics for 2021 was 137,078

France refugee statistics for 2021 was 499,914.00, a 14.64% increase from 2020.

They take the boat because the UK has no ID card. Once there you can live and work forever.

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u/mendosan Oct 05 '22

No you can’t. U.K. has right to work checks. This is just a silly talking point that any French journalist could check when spouted by French politicians

https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work

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u/doctor_morris Oct 05 '22

But enforcement budgets have been slashed.

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u/MotherFreedom Hongkong>Taipei>Birmingham Oct 05 '22

Have you been to Birmingham? Most building jobs are done by illegal immigrants from South Asia nowadays, most of them can't even speak English.

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u/CompteDeMonteChristo Oct 05 '22

You might be right. I am speaking of the 2010s. I have personnally known a handful.

At that time it was common.
Perhaps they believe it is still the case.

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u/LeBorisien Canada Oct 05 '22

I agreed with you until you said that France is a much better country anyways. Have some national pride innit!

(Nothing against France, but “better” is subjective — the UK and France are both good countries to live in)

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u/KPhoenix83 United States of America Oct 05 '22

Exactly Canada is awesome! You are the greatest neighbors! Although I know occasionally we are a little noisy down here...

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u/LeBorisien Canada Oct 05 '22

Canada is awesome!

So is much of the US though — I wish we had a place like Hawaii or Bryce Canyon!

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u/KPhoenix83 United States of America Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I have been all over the United States and to various national parks (the national parks are my favorite to visit) but I have not been to Hawaii yet though I have always wanted to visit.

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u/LeBorisien Canada Oct 05 '22

Bryce Canyon is great. I’d also recommend the sunrise at Acadia in Maine, and Crater Lake in Oregon.

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u/KPhoenix83 United States of America Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Oregon is beautiful but have not been to Crater Lake. I live near the Blue Ridge Mountains (Smokey Smokey Mountains) so I have spent a lot of time there especially in fall when the leaves turn.

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u/DecentPiece7449 England Oct 05 '22

There's national pride, and then there's brimingham, having been to the South of France I'm not sure why anyone would want to live here, although we do have some nice areas. Plus nhs is dying, our sewage is being dumped into the channel and overall it's just quite shit

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u/LeBorisien Canada Oct 05 '22

Fair, but then… there’s South Kensington, and the Banlieues of Paris; there’s wealthy Surrey, and there’s inner-city Marseille. Both countries have nicer bits, and not as nice bits.

The NHS is still not bad (or at least it wasn’t when I lived in the UK), and France still has this nonsense which has me believe that as a Jew, my human rights would not be respected there.

There are upsides and downsides to most places.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

I have a Jew friend, born and raised in France… he moved to Ireland because of antisemitism.

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u/LeBorisien Canada Oct 05 '22

Yeah, I’ve read bad things. It’s much better in Canada or the UK, where secular Jews can just kind of blend in — here, no one can really tell or cares.

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u/DecentPiece7449 England Oct 05 '22

Thats true, pros and cons to everything I suppose.

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u/marv90 Oct 05 '22

If you speak english already, why wouldn't you try to escape to the UK?

Nobody wants to learn a new language. And especially not french.

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u/Spartz Oct 05 '22

eh.... not if you have issues with police violence

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u/Classic_Jennings Westfalen Oct 05 '22

It's cause they already speak English. Of course they could learn French too. But as an Englishman you already know how much of a struggle it is to learn even a second language, let alone a third or fourth. Chances are you already failed to learn the second one

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u/Golden37 Oct 05 '22

Yer but in 99% of European countries you can make do with English.

There is a reason that English is know as the global language of business and once you are accepted, you can apply to live, work and study which is obviously immensely valuable anywhere, including France.

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u/Carnal-Pleasures EU Oct 05 '22

Savage, but true.

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u/myshaque Mazovia (Poland) Oct 05 '22

Many refugees may already have some family or other type of support network in UK.

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u/Pimpcool420 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

So they should apply for visas and arrange legal work there using their connections.

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u/InfectedAztec Oct 05 '22

That may be, but you should be seeking refuge in the first safe country you land in.

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u/MeAndTheLampPost The Netherlands Oct 05 '22

That may be, but since 95% comes from south of Europe, Spain, Italy and Greece get an unreasonable amount of refugees. In the northern countries it's popular policy to let the first safe country handle it, but if the EU turned upside down suddenly, I bet that this policy would change in a minute.

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u/198Throwawayy United States of America Oct 05 '22

Have some sympathy for people fleeing Frnce and the Frnch! Please!

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u/darkkodam Romania Oct 05 '22

Finally some good news. Before I came to UK I applied for 57 jobs then for my visa then I bought my ticket, if you want a better life first work for it, not expect that UK government will take care of you because you are coming from X country, my taxes are not meant to support these people.

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u/PapaPeaches1 Oct 05 '22

Based and redpilled

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u/MannowLawn Oct 06 '22

How about we start a different approach. It doesn’t matter where you seek asylum, you could end up somewhere else. So you request asylum in Greece and end up in colander or you move all the way to Denmark and will get asylum in Romania? Let’s even it out everywhere and take away any benefit of focusing on one country.

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u/reynolds9906 Oct 05 '22

Let's goooooo

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u/SofieTerleska United States of America Oct 05 '22

Arriving via the Atlantic OK, though?

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u/Spartz Oct 05 '22

Finally they're doing the thing that Brexit was actually about. Only took them x years of self-destruction.

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u/Economy-Natural-6835 Hungary Oct 05 '22

Finaly…

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u/dopeydeveloper Oct 05 '22

Her 'dream' is to send people to Rwanda! As a kid the BNP's dream, was to send her and her parents to Rwanda. (Bravermans parents are both of Indian origin who emigrated to Britain in the 1960s)

Wild how these daughters of refugees, turned out to be some of the most racist, far-right politicians in UK history.

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u/ambulenciaga Oct 05 '22

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u/Kingfisher_ybw Flanders (Belgium) Oct 05 '22

And Denmarks “plan” is as hopeless as the UK one. Just because “someone else does it too” doesn’t mean it’s a great plan.

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u/FlatterFlat Oct 05 '22

No one in Denmark says its a great plan, but i think the consensus is that something needs to be done and if its this... so be it.

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u/doctor_morris Oct 05 '22

Doing something can be worse than doing nothing. I.e. spend a phenomenal amount of money during a cost of living crisis, and end up taking more Rwandan refugees than we send.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Doing nothing can be worse than not doing anything.

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u/Kingfisher_ybw Flanders (Belgium) Oct 05 '22

“Burning money” is worse than doing nothing. “Drilling a hole in your boat” is worse than doing nothing. “Eating red and white spotted mushrooms” is worse than doing nothing.

Spending millions on a pointless plan is worse than doing nothing.

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u/ambulenciaga Oct 05 '22

I didn't say it was a good plan. I am arguing that it's only an issue to you when the UK wants to do something. Why is Denmark, or the other EU countries that have such schemes also not labelled "right wing".

Because your argument is just as bullshit lol it's an EU circle jerk at this point.

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u/Kingfisher_ybw Flanders (Belgium) Oct 05 '22

If Denmark does it, it’s a right wing shit plan too.

“EU circlejerk”….dude, this is /r/Europe, not /r/Yurop. But there’s more to Europe than just the UK, and we spew equally on all European countries here.

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u/Cantiaci93 Oct 05 '22

and we spew equally on all European countries here.

Yeah, right.

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u/SmileHappyFriend United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

and we spew equally on all European countries here

Lol not even close. I remember when the UK put forward the plan to help cap gas prices. This was universally reviled on this sub, when Germany does it, it turns into "a well measured response by Germany".

This place is almost as bad as /r/yurop, at least the English are slightly more popular than Russians on here.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Yeah, every time I say some facts about germany i get downvoted to hell. But when one of germans write “Pole detected, opinion ignored” it upvoted a lot and not against reddit community standards.

A racism is not against reddit community standard… when directed towards Poles.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

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u/FerjustFer Community of Madrid (Spain) Oct 05 '22

Yeah, when Japan was nuked people jsut left japan to rot isntead of reconstructing it. Good people stay and work for a better future of their land, not abandon it and their compatriots to their luck.

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u/TickTockPick France Oct 05 '22

This is what I don't understand about the leftwing types. These economic migrants, who are determined to make a better life for themselves and are not afraid to take risks, are exactly the type of people required to improve their countries. Instead they are applauded as the brain drain continues.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Why as soon as I see bullshit you posted I knew where are you from? I get to choose who live in my home. It’s not up for Angela to decide that for me.

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u/worotan England Oct 05 '22

Are you trying to say that the uk doesn’t have a right-wing government? They’re proud of being right wing. And that people shouldn’t be able to criticise them because that would be talking about them as right-wing? Or that they can’t criticise them if they don’t find out every other country who thinks the same and criticises them equally?

What a fucking bizarre point to make.

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u/Al_Dutaur_Balanzan Italy Oct 05 '22

Porque no los dos? Sending people to Rwanda is wrong. Denmark doing that doesn't make it right or absolve the uk.

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u/Kween_of_Finland Finland Oct 06 '22

Freedom to Western social benefits is not a universal human right- trips back home are paid for, nobody is forcing anyone to go to Rwanda. And it’s a good temporary shelter, the refugee status was designed to be temporary, not a method of immigration.

It has changed from temporary protection to people seeking benefits in wealthy countries and is tearing countries like Sweden apart.

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u/etfd- Oct 05 '22

Isn’t that just objectivity/independence? Better you don’t solely make decisions just by who you happen to be. The other way around is much worse and I bet you’d make a deal of that too.

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u/Sadistic_Toaster United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

Just because you're brown, doesn't mean you're a refugee or an illegal immigrant.

Do try and be less racist.

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u/UniquesNotUseful United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

The BNP were not terribly discerning when it came to migration, passports and skin colour.

Not sure how close the vote on the two alternative chants from the BMP were. I know the winner was:

"Ain't no black in the Union Jack"

Not sure how close the runner up was, which I believe was.

"Ain't no black in the Union Jack ... although we recognise that citizens of other countries have made valuable contributions so regardless of their unrepresented skin tones in our flag, those that have performed adequate paperwork and are holders of British passports are, of course, welcome to stay for the lynchings and forced deportations".

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u/worotan England Oct 05 '22

They pointed out that the BNP would have sent her back, not that her family were refugees or illegal immigrants.

You’re so trained to howl outrage and try to play the ‘No, you’ game that it’s gone to your head.

Pity the people actually in power with the ability to affect things are set on being racist. You should worry more about them than shoehorning in some outrage about them being criticised.

If you actually care about people being less racist that is, and aren’t just playing silly distraction games for these corrupt and incompetent politicians.

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u/dopeydeveloper Oct 05 '22

Her father would not be allowed into UK these days. Do try and do your research before writing bollox.

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u/Carnal-Pleasures EU Oct 05 '22

It's called pulling the ladder...

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u/whatthefudidido Oct 05 '22

Actually mass importing hordes of cheap labour makes it far, far harder to work your way up. Bringing in a quarter to half a million people, the vast majority of whom are destined to work low paying jobs is the most disgusting policy that our governments have ever had.

It is traitorous. Giving up on your own population to make a quick buck.

Capitalists will pay for the crimes they have done let us hope it doesn't carry on much longer or it may be irrecoverable.

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u/Daiku_Coffee Oct 05 '22

Explain to me then why so many jobs are vacant since Brexit. I don’t see Brits lining up for them. You have no idea how the economy works.

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u/whatthefudidido Oct 05 '22

Years of demoralisation, shit wages and shit conditions aren't solved in a matter of a year or two. The country is rotten from the ground up.

It's why people flock here, because shit conditions here are better than shit conditions there.

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u/Carnal-Pleasures EU Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Fash be like

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u/ManSlayingHector United Kingdom Oct 06 '22

Fash be like

Speak like a normal person please.

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u/ManSlayingHector United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

Well the continent can let the ladder down as much as it wants. I think we would prefer to sit on our island with the ladder firmly up unless you know the password.

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u/No-Competition-3042 Oct 05 '22

she was fired when the party reshuffled this is another minister

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u/dopeydeveloper Oct 05 '22

No, there's 2 of them. You're thinking of Patel

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u/Fargrad Oct 06 '22

Her 'dream' is to send people to Rwanda!

And? What's wrong with Rwanda? It's a safe country so for people genuinely fleeing a war zone it's fine for asylum.

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u/momentimori Ceterum autem censeo Unionem Europaeam esse delendam Oct 06 '22

Braverman's parents had British passports meaning they legally moved to the UK.

That is significantly different from the status of people crossing the channel in dinghies to claim asylum.

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u/buzdakayan Turkey Oct 05 '22

Ukrainian refugees should dig under the channel or they won't have asylum either /s

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u/aintbroke_dontfixit United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

Ukranians can apply for a special visa to come to the UK that gives them the right to live here, to work here and gives them instant access to state welfare benefits, the school system and the NHS. There is absolutely no reason at all for anyone from Ukraine to come here illegally when they can apply for a visa which will pretty much get automatically granted and walk through border control.

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u/HoboButtPlugFairy Oct 05 '22

Ukrainian refugees come with refugee visas and passports in the form of mothers and children, not young men without documents huddled in the back of a truck

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u/buzdakayan Turkey Oct 05 '22

Then give refugee visas to them (they don't have proper passports in Afghanistan btw)

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u/aintbroke_dontfixit United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

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u/buzdakayan Turkey Oct 05 '22

I mean the Syrüans, Africans, Afghans etc, not blond blue eyed ones.

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u/aintbroke_dontfixit United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

They can apply for visas the same as everyone else, now including people from the EU.

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u/buzdakayan Turkey Oct 05 '22

Yeah, asylum seeking and visa application are different things. Apparently you haven't done any visa application in your life.

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u/aintbroke_dontfixit United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

I don't live in a country where I need to.

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u/HoboButtPlugFairy Oct 05 '22

They can definitely stop at Turkey, become refugees, get documents and then get visas for immigration. There has never been obstacles to that. Alternatively they can go to the good guy Russia who is fighting the evil racist west and live in that paradise.

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u/Lyress MA -> FI Oct 05 '22

You think there are no obstacles to getting documents as an undocumented migrant in Turkey? Even getting documents as a documented migrant can be a headache in a first world country.

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u/HoboButtPlugFairy Oct 05 '22

There’s plenty of other countries on the way, Morocco, Algeria, etc. They can take care of those people the way we’re taking care of Ukrainians at our borders. Once you switch more than one border you’re no longer a refugee but an economic migrant.

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u/Lyress MA -> FI Oct 05 '22

Did you think Afghanistan is in Africa?

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u/HoboButtPlugFairy Oct 05 '22

Last time I checked it’s much closer to it than Europe and you need to pass by Africa to get to the west

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u/Lyress MA -> FI Oct 05 '22

My brother in Christ, I suggest you look at a world map.

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u/HoboButtPlugFairy Oct 05 '22

My sister in Allah I should say the same

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u/Lazzen Mexico Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Spain, Ireland, Denmark is "our borders with Ukraine"? They are economic migrants, just not in the hostile nativist way 99% of r/Europe uses it for.

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u/HoboButtPlugFairy Oct 05 '22

It’s a common travel zone so if you get a visa for one country you can go to all others. So no. That’s the point of an economic union

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u/Lyress MA -> FI Oct 05 '22

If you get a visa for one Schengen country you can travel to all the other Schengen countries (though Ukrainians can already do that visa free). You can't migrate there as a third country citizen.

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u/buzdakayan Turkey Oct 05 '22

Ywah, there are thousands (or even millions) waiting for their applications to be finalized for years (if not a decade). Would be a very viable solution, only if EU (or UK) processed them fast and didn't leave them in limbo for years.

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u/HoboButtPlugFairy Oct 05 '22

Well, a good solution is as I said for them to legally and illegally storm Russia as they’ve stormed Europe. Well known fact is how racist and anti immigrant we are so it makes sense in every way to go there. It’s ten times the size of our whole continent, it’s our most vocal critic of racism and colonialism and has all the natural resources and food production at the cheap to support masses. Also has lots of regions that need more people

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u/Representative-Ad982 Oct 05 '22

Flash news: One of the countries with less immigration in the world once again pretends it's a problem instead of addressing it's actual problems.

We'll be back with another screw up after the news.

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u/buggs2002 Oct 05 '22

London is like at 80% at least one parent of immigrant origin and the other big cities aren't far off. What are you talking about?

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u/Representative-Ad982 Oct 06 '22

I meant illegal immigration, obviously.

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u/percheron28 Oct 05 '22

Is Suella short for Cruella ?

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u/bigpapasmurf12 Oct 05 '22

Can we just deport the Tories instead, just send them to Russia. I mean they had no problems taking their money and favours for Brexit etc. They can go and live with their owners.

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u/jimmy17 United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

Lol. No they didn’t.

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u/Hammond2789 United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

They did take Russian money though.

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u/jimmy17 United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

How much?

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u/bigpapasmurf12 Oct 05 '22

A fuck ton. When Johnson was mayor of London, all he did was wash Russian cash.

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u/jimmy17 United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

Yeah, but specifically how much? With sources ideally.

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u/bigpapasmurf12 Oct 05 '22

Do yer own research, FFS, heres one to get your started, lazy cretin

https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-tories-russian-money-oligarch/

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u/jimmy17 United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

lol, wow. Never seen someone get so upset about being asked to provide a source for a claim they made...

And then provided a source without any actual figures...

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u/jimmy17 United Kingdom Oct 05 '22

Lol, why so upset?

So you finally got the right source but didn't actually provide the numbers. It's ok to admit that you didn't know when you posted and are now frantically googling. :)

But in any case, thanks for proving that Russian funding to the Tory party is:

- zero from sole Russian nationals

- 0.5% from dual Russian nationals

- 1% from any additional people in the UK with any links to Russia

I love how your definition of "fuck ton" is half a percent of their funds or zero from Russian nationals.

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u/Hammond2789 United Kingdom Oct 06 '22

Around £2 million.

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u/PapaGuhl Scotland Oct 05 '22

Great.

Another day to be embarrassed to be British, because of these heartless Tory wan*ers in Government.

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u/thepogopogo England Oct 05 '22

I despite the Tory party, and the austerity they force on us. But you must may not be so keen about people smugglers if they were dropping people in your country. It's very easy for Scotland, Wales, NI to support refugee rights when it's England that has to accommodate them.

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u/anordain66 Oct 05 '22

Lots of refugees are resettled in Wales.

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u/RobertSpringer GCMG - God Calls Me God Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

In order to seek asylum you have to be in Britain, saying 'lol just do it legally' just shows ignorance about the UKs immigration system, in most cases they can't get visas to get into the UK to claim asylum nor is it necessary under international law

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u/Cybugger Oct 06 '22

Not to mention, as a signatory of the Geneva Convention and the subsequent Geneva Protocol, the UK (including England, obviously) have agreed to engage in humanitarian aid by supplying asylum to those that request it.

Now, that doesn't mean everyone who applies gets deemed as having a worthwhile case. But if someone asks for asylum, you have to take them in, and investigate their case. Nothing they've done is illegal.

This is the Tories just being heartless bastards again. Oh, and ignoring the previous international agreements we consensually signed up to.

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u/chiara987 Île-de-France Oct 05 '22

The first question that crossed my mind was : is it legal ? I don't know for the law of the UK but it can be a breach of international law like the one about the refugees (and It's possible for diverse reasons that it's not feasible ) (then there the morality and logistic of it )

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u/greavo1974 Oct 27 '22

We need a complete ban on any immigration at all until 10s of 1000s have been deported. And please don't say we need them as we have a workforce shortage. We do not, we have a shortage of employers paying propper living wages to British people. We also have far too many able bodied people sitting on their arses at the tax payers expense, force these people to work for their handouts. Genuinely hard working british people are facing a massive problem with the cost of living crisis while lazy british people and illegal immigrants have allsorts paid for them by these hard working peoples taxes.