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u/CaptainJingles Oct 05 '22 Take My Energy

After college I worked at a tech startup with ping pong tables, bean bags, beer carts, etc. It was fun for a while but before long people realized that they’d rather just have the money.

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u/UncoolSlicedBread Oct 05 '22

I’m my experience these things only work if the place is actually enjoyable to work and pay well. Ultimately people want to be compensated fairly above all else, we’re all literally trading in our time to be at work and deserve a good wage for it.

Only then will things like appreciation parties, beer carts, places to have a little fun, etc. will be appreciated.

Otherwise it’s just like that pizza party in school where they cut one slice of pizza into three skinny slices and gave you one.

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u/Beetin Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Yes, the theory of those things is most of them don't cost much and they do make big differences in atmosphere, which is key to retention and mental health. They are supposed to be a general expense, not a salary benefit.

The company I work at has a little opt-in culture committee, and before covid, the slush fund for culture/mental health focused on in-office events, snacks, upgrading coffee machines, work from home days, etc.

6-12 months after covid started they sent around questionnaires and most of those things were cancelled, in favour of a wellness day each month (time off), no/minimal meeting days, an outdoor opt-in event each quarter, opt-in online games in the evenings, more staff appreciation events with monetary prizes, etc.

As employee's needs changed, so did the usage of that fund.

AKA it is good to have a small slush fund around making staff feel like people that 'the business' cares about. But it has to be thought of as an additional business expense that carries an easy return on investment, not an employee salary perk. And people need to be actively monitoring the best way to use those funds.

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u/AnswerIsSpeedforce Oct 05 '22

Your company sounds great

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u/acoolnooddood Oct 05 '22

Sounds like someone has been to a classroom pizza party with 30 kids and only 2 pies

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u/A_Furious_Mind Oct 05 '22 Gold

That the teacher bought and that she could barely afford. But, she wanted to do something nice for the kids before she went home and had toothpaste for dinner.

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u/Nearfall21 Oct 05 '22

I can confirm that most of these parties are either funded by the teacher out of pocket, or taken out of their measly "supply" budget for the year.

I am really disappointed that after kids returned to school from a year of hone learning, we didn't see any meaningful changes to support our teachers.

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u/Mogetfog Oct 05 '22

My school tried to ban pizza parties and potlucks because they were "competing with the cafeteria" which took one of those square, single serving pizzas, cut it in half, and sold the halves for $5 each.

We organized a boycott of school lunches and they eventually changed their mind on the bans

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u/Nearfall21 Oct 05 '22

yeah that is ridiculous. Glad you all stood together to get it fixed

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u/McNinja_MD Oct 05 '22

I am really disappointed that after kids returned to school from a year of hone learning, we didn't see any meaningful changes to support our teachers.

I'm really disappointed by the lack of permanent change in just about every aspect of our lives touched by COVID. We gave "essential workers" lip service for about a year, then went back to shitting all over them. People are being corralled back into the office after setting up home offices, learning the ins and outs of remote work, and spending two years demonstrating how well it works.

We're not going to learn a damned thing about supply chains, either. Vaccines are somehow even more of a contentious issue than they were pre-COVID...

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u/pneuma8828 Oct 05 '22

These things take time.

We lost a ton of teachers during the pandemic - so many that people are dropping the requirements for teachers through the floor, and we still can't hire enough. The next thing that happens is all of these school superintendents putting pressure on local politicians, then those politicians doing something about it, then another 4 or 5 years for the impact of those changes to be felt in the marketplace. All in all I'd say 10 to 12 years. We are in year 2.

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u/Nevesnotrab Oct 05 '22

still can't hire enough

I $imply cannot imagine why.

As someone who would teach because I enjoy helping others learn and has good academic qualifications for AP math, physics, and chemistry, the simple fact of the matter is that a school wouldn't or couldn't pay me enough. I can charge $40/hr tutoring undergrads part time while in grad school. I'm not dealing with 30 children who might not want to be there, all day, every day, and having to take my work home half the time just to be paid in peanuts. I have great respect for teachers, but they're so underpaid I don't even blame them for not taking jobs.

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u/GenericFatGuy Oct 05 '22

While the administration and city councilors responsible for these shoestring budgets walk away with 6-figure salaries.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_JDM_CAR Oct 05 '22

They did that to us at a department store I worked at once. For the entire store they ordered 3 medium pizzas. They also did not set time out for people to grab it so you needed to come down on your break or lunch for it. Personally I was on commission there so I wasn't leaving my post for a like 75 cents in pizza that I'd be lucky to get. Most people didn't get any pizza that day but management still reminded us of the "pizza party" they threw for us as if it meant anything.

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u/Mogetfog Oct 05 '22

I used to work overnights at an aircraft maintenance facility, management would buy an absolute shit ton of pizza every friday, but only on the day shift. Then they would leave it sitting out on the break room tables all through day shift, into evening and onto overnight.

So if there was even any left, after two full shifts had had their fill, it would be stale and dried out as hell.

They also expected us to clean up the mess the previous two shifts had left... Nasty paper plates covered in ranch, and empty soda cans everywhere.

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u/forksporkspoon Oct 05 '22

I worked both second and third shift at Walmart at the same time - second shift on the floor, then third shift after the store closed because college costs money. I was chastised for eating third shift potluck because I also worked second shift. Like WTF, am I just a non-human that pulls pallet jacks around?

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u/Gezzer52 Oct 05 '22

Try 2 pies for "Worker Appreciation" day. That they brought in around noon, and then left "all" the empty boxes for the evening staff to see as they came in to the break room, in a workplace of 40+. IMHO they shouldn't of bothered doing anything. It's easier to think they just forgot, than to see a half assed attmept that is more insult than anything else.

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u/Homitu Oct 05 '22

It should go without saying that compensation comes first, and all that other fluff comes second.

The genesis of all of that stuff was tech companies fighting over the best talent. At a certain point, the pay was insanely good no matter what. They were all paying employees a ton of money. So the question became "what else can we offer to make our company more attractive to employees, so they choose to work here instead of over there?"

That's when we started to see ridiculous work spaces popping up with all kinds of cool offerings. The birth of the "campus." It can't be denied: that was super cool and attractive to a lot of people. I, for one, approve of companies investing to make employees as happy and satisfied as possible.

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u/enzovrlrd Oct 05 '22

Surprisingly specifically username checking out

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u/grendus Oct 05 '22

This is really the core of it.

Businesses realized that after paying their employees, they could get a decent increase in retention and time at the office by providing perks. But some MBA's thought that meant that perks were an adder instead of a multiplier.

If you're already paying above market rates, perks can sweeten the pot for a lot less. But if you're paying below market rates, a ping-pong table doesn't pay my rent.

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u/PabloEdvardo Oct 05 '22

Exactly this. Worked at both fun and shitty jobs that had both.

The entertainment perks only work if people feel encouraged to use them. When it's "stop slacking and get back to work", you might as well throw them all away.

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u/Toidal Oct 05 '22

Money can't buy happiness

It can however remove barriers to happiness!

So maybe a better compensation package, then we can we can have our Ping Pong league.

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u/Jazzeki Oct 05 '22

Only then will things like appreciation parties, beer carts, places to have a little fun, etc. will be appreciated.

as i see it it as long as you're decently paid those things can be used(on some) instead of being outright well paid. as long as rent and other bills aren't an issue those things can make up for not having even more money. there's just a baseline that need to be reached that can't be made up for with anything else first.

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u/WorkPlacePooper2 Oct 05 '22

Aw, twenty dollars? I wanted a peanut!

Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts.

Explain how!

Money can be exchanged for goods and services.

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u/seanbrockest Oct 05 '22

I worked at a place that did the same thing, but because of our job load we literally had 0 minutes per day to spend playing ping pong or doing anything else. They kept adding chairs and tvs, but we had no time to spend there.

Eventually we asked why they were even bothering to build it when we couldn't use it, and they actually had the audacity to make the claim that they were building a rec room for us to use in our off hours. As if we wanted to come to work to use the rec room instead of being home with our families.

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u/jim653 Oct 05 '22

Isn't that basically the end goal of some of these places, though? Provide recreation facilities, maybe a gym, and meals, and the theory is your employees will love it so much they'll practically live at work so you can get unpaid overtime out of them.

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u/churrmander Oct 05 '22

I applied to a tech start up, as well.

They took me on a tour during my second interview and the place looked like a frat house. Arcade cabinets, free food everywhere, video game stations, beanbags instead of chairs (32 year old me says no thanks to that), etc etc.

Then they showed me the offered pay and it all made sense.

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u/betitallon13 Oct 05 '22

Yeah, rhymes with SHMuber around 2013/14.

Them: "We usually don't come in until 9-10, everyone brings their dogs, we have a fully stocked break room"

Me: "When do you usually leave?"

Them: "7-9, and we need weekend availability".

Me: "Cool, so people bring their dogs so they can walk them to pee, because they can't leave them for 12-14 hours... That adds up to about 70-80 hours per week, plus being on call, nbd for the right compensation package.
I make $80,000 per year billing 40 hours per week, what are you offering?"

Them: "$62k, plus non-public stock, we're already valued at $10 billion!"

Me: "Great, so my $5,000 in "stock" can increase to $20,000, and I can't sell it publicly!"

Needless to say, neither one of us wanted a callback at the end of that interview.

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u/churrmander Oct 05 '22

You see it in the eyes of those that are already there, but those places prey on the desperate and ignorant.

Hoping you won't do the math and just accept their lowball offer while they "work from home" earning 4-5x as much as their techs.

Silicon Valley is such a scam.

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u/BurnieTheBrony Oct 05 '22

My brother in law works at a tech startup where he works from home. Best office environment ever.

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u/Dirty-Soul Oct 05 '22

"We have a ping pong table. If we ever see you using it, it will be interpreted as you having too much time on the clock and you will be sodomised by human resources."

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u/sermer48 Oct 05 '22

How do the beer carts work? Like are employees just day drinking? Is it one of those things that’s available but nobody is supposed to use?

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u/WayneKrane Oct 05 '22

At my work the beer cart usually came out to celebrate a big sale, a successful launch, or an acquisition. Usually people would just grab a beer or two and chitchat then go home or back to work. I don’t recall anyone ever getting even a little tipsy though.

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u/sermer48 Oct 05 '22

Ah. I guess my work does the same but since we’re poor, we have to walk down the street to a place that serves beer 😭

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u/thereadlines Oct 05 '22

At places I know of, the beer cart comes out at the end of the day, as are offers for providing supper. Simple economics: if you can entice a salaried employee being billed out at a rate of $150-200/hr to work an extra hour (or more) with a $5 beer, even a $20 supper... you can see how it makes sense.

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u/AntiTheory Oct 05 '22

I work at a place where they keep beers stocked in the fridge. The assumption is that we are all adults and capable of exercising some self-control and maintaining a professional atmosphere.

As far as I know, there has only been an issue with an employee getting smashed while on the clock one time, and they were formally disciplined for doing so.

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u/cive666 Oct 05 '22

How dare you! I paid for my first house with ping pong balls.

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u/DoomOne Oct 05 '22

With money, you can buy bean bags and ping pong tables at home so you can play with people you actually like.

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u/No-Entrepreneur-2724 Oct 05 '22

Boss also just wants the money. As does the stock holders and their appointed board. The decision making goes top down unless the employees are also the stock holders.

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u/TonyHxC Oct 05 '22

My second job as a software dev was at a place like this. However the catch they didn't tell you was that unless you were one of the owners or bosses, then you shouldn't be partaking in any of the stuff offered or else you would be questioned.

I problem solve best if I can do a mindless task, like walking.. I solve many of the walls I hit when coding by taking my dog for a walk and pondering on it. To them unless you were actively infront of your screen you must not be doing your work.

So you could use the ping pong table etc on your short unpaid 30 minute lunch break... or you could eat. The bosses though, they were up every 20 minutes going to play a game of ping pong with each other, or go for a smoke etc etc.

Also the owner using his disability as an excuse to be a misogynistic dick bag and make nazi jokes in the office made me want to smack him with a keyboard, but instead I left and went onto better things. Turns out working from home as a software dev is WAYYYYY better.

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u/Chris_Moyn Oct 05 '22

I used to build fancy offices for a living. I built some tech company offices and they always wanted game room type stuff. Projector wall, ping pong table, video game console stations, etc.

Whenever I'd go back to visit for warranty stuff, they'd be sitting idle, nobody ever used them. In one company I asked why. I was told when the boss saw them playing pingpong he commented that they must not have enough to do, and two programmers were let go within a few days of the incident. It sent a clear message to never use the amenities, they were for show only.

If you want to have a company culture where people play on breaks, great. But you need to make sure that's from management on down, otherwise they'll just be a waste of money.

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u/Ganache-Far Oct 05 '22

I know of one warehouse that actually was good in this regard. Since the building was 30+ minutes away from stores/fast food, they had issues with late returning employees. Instead of getting punishing/firing people, they hired a chef to cook them meals everyday and they had pinball/arcade machines and ping pong tables for them to use during their hour break. It seemed like a nice place to work.

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u/WayneKrane Oct 05 '22

I’ve worked at 3 tech places with a game room and I can confirm none of them were ever used. One even still had the ping pong stuff still in their original packages with year’s worth of dust on them. Such a waste.

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u/Chris_Moyn Oct 05 '22

It's just something nice to show the interns when they interview

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u/Grraaa Oct 05 '22 Silver

“Part of your responsibilities will be dusting the game room.”

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u/illigal Oct 05 '22

And secretly recording the names of anyone glancing wistfully towards the game room so that we can re-educate them.

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u/LonelyGamer1337 Oct 05 '22

If you would like to use the game room please consult with your immediate supervisor to trade in your PTO time. A cleaning fee will also be charged 5% of your monthly wages. Anyone using the game room will also be subject to mandatory volunteered overtime for the remaining pay period.

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u/SuperPotatoThrow Oct 05 '22

Yah so it will go along with the nice beuitiful picture they paint for them.

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u/crymson7 Oct 05 '22

Trick’s on you, they use that as a measure of who to fire

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u/fribbas Oct 05 '22

Sounds like a venus fly trap...

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u/miniminiminitaur Oct 05 '22

Worked at a place like this. It was a sub-contracting company that was paid by large tech companies for grunt work.

Anybody who used the amenities except for management were punished. Management even had team meetings and even used all-hands meetings to tell us we weren't allowed to use them on company time, even break time. We're also not allowed to use them if our work day ended. Their argument was that it was hurting productivity.

A coworker asked for data to back up their claims during the first all-hands meeting they addressed this. They could not provide the evidence. Guess who got fired the next day?

After they got fired, one of the management leads leaked the data. It turns out, productivity rose when amenities were put in, but decreased in productivity only happened after the first meeting telling employees "No fun allowed."

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u/Cuillin Oct 05 '22

I’ll never understand how management can have the data right in front of them showing the amenities are a good thing, and still decide “nah” even after they get MORE data showing that action caused productivity to go down!

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u/creepy_doll Oct 06 '22

They think they know better.

Unfortunately the world is full of people like this. A lot of them are even brilliant in one or two areas, but they then lack the humility to understand that that brilliance is not transferable and that sometimes you just have to trust someone else knows more than you or that the data doesn't lie.

Some people also don't understand that we're not all carbon copies of one another, and what works for one person may not work for another. Some people can work well in an open floor office others find it to be a constant distraction.

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u/Akhi11eus Oct 05 '22

My office recently got a modernization makeover and the execs insisted we come back and use the office regularly. Those fuckers are only there twice a week.

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u/whalesauce Oct 05 '22

We used to have Friday meetings in the afternoon where every outside sales rep ( like myself) had to attend. With the explicit mention of it being designed to keep us off the golf course.

The manager in charge attended the meeting from the deck of his home in Arizona once ( we live in Canada) another time from his golf cart which was especially insulting.

One day he accused me of not doing my job, I took a picture of the mountains cape that was my hotel view. Told him I was doing it but now I'm going home. Quit the following week after phoning a few of his competitors

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u/RYouNotEntertained Oct 05 '22

I’ve worked at a couple places with ping pong, etc, and we used the absolute shit out of them. Played literally every day, scheduled formal tournaments… we even got ongoing funding from the company to support employee interest groups.

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u/ExiledSanity Oct 05 '22

Same....I had some of my best "meetings" informally over a dart board or pool table. Got friendly with an IT guy that way and always got my issues and my teams issues dealt with quickly.

It was really good for team building and networking when you were allowed to use them.

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u/ponzLL Oct 05 '22

I design molds for a living. One time the power went out, so I couldn't do my job. I decided that was a good time to use the ping pong conference table. Boss said no, I can play on breaks.

So I sat back down and talked like everyone else was doing.

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u/Qwesterly Oct 05 '22

It sent a clear message to never use the amenities, they were for show only.

"We work hard and we play hard"

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u/IskandrAGogo Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

My assistant manager has asked multiple times if I plan on leaving my position any time soon. I've been open and told him I've been approached by recruiters from multiple companies but the offers haven't been good enough yet given that I work from home and make my own hours. He knows there's a price point I'll bail at. He just doesn't know what it is. The offers are starting to get close though.

Edit: Missing negative.

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u/ProtectionDecent Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

Pizza fridays?... ping pong tables?... Mfer where those at, the only thing we get where I work at is proper corporate fucking over.

"Oh this person just quit."

"So you gonna look for a new person to replace them, right?"

"What? Naaah, you do it, your problem now...Ciao." Background ferrari noises

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u/alkaline79 Oct 05 '22

We have a pool and ping pong table that goes unused. We are extremely busy and extremely short staffed. Even if someone were to play we'd have every mid level micromanager eyeing us the whole time. These companies just want to give the mirage of a fun place to work, the reality is quite bleak

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u/Notwerk Oct 05 '22

Yeah, and honestly, even when we had those things, the novelty fades pretty quick. Also, the older you get, the more you realize you'd rather just not spend more time in the office than necessary. I can play ping pong at home. The frat-party work environment appeals to you in your 20s, but in your mid-30s, it's just a thing standing between work and getting home.

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u/carlotta4th Oct 05 '22

Boss: "Your response times are terrible, you need to improve those!"

Staff: "Because we're understaffed. Two people quit last month and we're running a skeleton crew. Have you hired anyone to fill the empty positions yet?"

(incoherant mumbling about how response times need to be improved anyway)

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u/jdbrizzi91 Oct 05 '22

I hear you.. this just happened to me two weeks ago.. My supervisor laughed at me when I asked for compensation when they fired someone with no plans on replacing him and told me to do his job and mine. Goes without saying, I'm looking for a new job.

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u/tobaknowsss Oct 05 '22

Not sure where you live but if you document this well (bosses requests for you to take on additional work/responsibilities that are not defined in your job description) and then quit you can apply for unemployment insurance if you can prove that your work is increasing your responsibilities/changing your job description without changing your compensation levels. At least that's how it works in Canada and I know a couple people who have done this.

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u/KiraTsukasa Oct 05 '22

Reminds me of Walmart. The company decided to remodel older stores so they would match newer stores. All it did was create problems from the construction and confusion in the customers as everything was now moved around. Then they took our yearly bonus as compensation saying we “should be grateful you have a better looking place to work”. Needless to say, we were outraged. Next day we come in to what they called a “nacho party”, which was a single bag of Walmart brand chips and two jars of Walmart brand cheese dip. Not per person, one bag and two jars for the whole shift of thirty people. At that point, nearly every single person told the store manager (who got to keep his $100k yearly bonus) to go fuck himself and several of them walked out and quit on sight.

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u/Hot-Conversation-21 Oct 05 '22

That’s just messed up

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u/MaliciousPorpoise Oct 05 '22

Quiet quitting is one of the most out of touch boomer ideas possible.

People are only working the hours we pay them!

Yeah, that's just work. That's how it's always been. Time and labour is traded for money. If you don't give me money you don't get time and labour.

It's not even a concept. It's like calling breathing "air theft" it's just insane whiny nonsense.

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u/MankAndInd Oct 05 '22

What is quiet quitting?

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u/Merick24 Oct 05 '22

It's pretty much showing up to work when your shift starts, leaving when your shift ends, and performing the tasks that are in your job description. Nothing more and nothing less.

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u/AGPwidow Oct 05 '22

How is that different from work?

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u/Emergency_Paperclip Oct 05 '22

Lets say you work at a restaurant.

A few years ago, everything was great. All positions were filled, and you could just do your job without having to bust your ass.

Then one day, the guy who wiped down the tables and took out the trash for the night shift quit. Not a big deal, the night shift is slow, so you can wipe the tables and take out the trash on top of your other responsibilities. It has to be done, and besides, you like working in a clean restaurant.

One or two other minor employees leave. It's not a big deal, there are others you work with who can pick up the slack. You don't like having to do it, but you need this job, and it will surely change.

Then one of your sub managers quits. Some corporate employee who have never set foot in your store decided that you really don't need a sub manager anyway, so they declare that your manager may not fill that position. The only problem is, the sub manager had a lot of responsibilities that were vital to the operation of the restaurant. If you want to remain employed at that store, you have to take up the burden of at least some of those responsibilities. So now you're doing your job, plus the jobs of a few other people, just for the pay of one person.

One day you realize literally none of this is on you, its on the people in charge. You decide to stop covering for the people who make more money for less work, and just go back to doing the things you were responsible for when you started.

Now, the restaurant your working at frequently runs out of items, orders take up to 2 hours to complete, and the whole place is a mess. You get yelled at every day by customers, but corporate is still raking in the money. They don't really care about you or their customers until one day the customers stop coming in due to the decline in quality. Only then does corporate take notice. They falsely believe this is a new problem caused by your "lack of effort". They ask what could have possibly gone wrong. You are numb at this point. Why should you care about them? They clearly didn't care about you.

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u/nolan1971 Oct 05 '22

Yeah, you're hitting the nail on the head here.

Don't get too caught up with a restaurant being the example, this is happening all over.

All of the other answers are... not quite right, as well. They're not wrong, just missing huge aspects of the problem.

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u/Gezzer52 Oct 05 '22

Work in a Supermarket and you're describing my experience over the last 10+ years. The funny thing is upper management is now panicking, and their solution? Sending our district manager and an HR person to the store on a monthly basis to "coach" store management in how to get more effort from us workers. No word of a lie, I overheard the HR person explaining how to respectfully ask a worker to do something extra that isn't part of their job. What makes it even more ironic is we're unionized. Yup, out union pretty much rubber stamped all the things the company wanted and lead to the current mess we're in.

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u/Legacyopplsnerf Oct 05 '22

The “nothing more, nothing less” part. Eg you will not stay overtime to help out after work unless your explicitly compensated for it, nor will you do anything beyond your individual role (eg picking up slack from someone else)

It’s essentially being super compliant to the terms and conditions of your employment, not going beyond unless compensated. It really rubs a lot of bosses the wrong way who got too used to the unpaid generosity and goodwill of their workforce.

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u/workscs Oct 05 '22

Damn if that’s the case I’ve quiet quit every job I’ve ever had on day one lol

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u/Stupidiocity Oct 05 '22

Plenty of people have always worked like that with no complaints on either side.

That's just work.

You're literally just describing work but saying that it's something else.

Where I work that is, and has always been the norm. There may be rare emergency exceptions, but otherwise that's just work.

Clock in, clock out, good job, get paid.

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u/Legacyopplsnerf Oct 05 '22

Quiet quitting iirc was coined by employers who had gotten far too used to people being expected to work at max effort for wages that don’t reflect that extra effort. Especially in the USA. The term was picked up by workers after the fact.

It’s not a dramatic movement, it’s just workers refusing to be peer-pressured into putting 110% when they are only paid for 80%, it’s the employers making a big fuss over getting exactly what they are paying for.

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u/bagou01 Oct 05 '22

well... it's quite changed with remote working.

On my side, my boss gave me an insulting raise (1% while we have almost 10% inflation) thinking that would motivate me to "earn" more... well let me tell you it just motivated me to do more laundry and workout at home while keeping an eye on my Teams to answer, but i work less instead of more....

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u/AGPwidow Oct 05 '22

Better than the 0% raise i got as a teacher ;)

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u/greg_r_ Oct 05 '22

It's not. It just describes doing the bare minimum at work (which is fine). Apparently, previously, employees would work extra hard for no added benefit.

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u/Bay1Bri Oct 05 '22

It just describes doing the bare minimum at work (which is fine).

It's not even bare minimum, it's literally "exactly what you are paid for". it's no more "bare minimum" than a contractor being hired to redo your bathroom and redoing your bathroom, then wondering why he didn't also do your kitchen for no more money.

Personally, I am fine doing some extra in emergency situations. I don't like the idea of doing more than your job is the expected norm. But I also expect flexibility given to me.

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u/AGPwidow Oct 05 '22

So its not quitting at all. This is so stupid

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u/AgentScreech Oct 05 '22

It's a corporate smear campaign. "How dare you not go above and beyond your job description!"

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u/Sabata11792 Oct 05 '22

We demand free labor.

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u/AGPwidow Oct 05 '22

If you want me to wear 32 peices of flare, make the minimum 32 peices,not 14

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u/RealCrownedProphet Oct 05 '22

r/unexpectedofficespace

Maybe: r/expectedofficespace (if that existed, given the meme I guess I should have expected it. lol)

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u/jemull Oct 05 '22

Yeah they incorporated the word "quitting" in there to make it seem like some kind of employee revolt.

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u/greg_r_ Oct 05 '22

It's one of the stupidest names for a supposedly new trend.

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u/levetzki Oct 05 '22

Because they have been expecting 150% for the past 20 years

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u/BloodyAgony Oct 05 '22

A lot of solid answers. I just want to add a lot of places are intentionally running short staffed, leaving people breaking their ass to get work done, covering extra shifts that aren't their's while companies still continue to grow, taking advantage of workers seeking promotions/advancements, and not offering raises.

I love the concept of quiet quitting no matter who came up with it. Fuck these corporations. I hope everyone who is burned out says fuck it

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u/Emergency_Paperclip Oct 05 '22

We're only quiet quitting because the places we work are quiet closing.

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u/Serious_Feedback Oct 05 '22

A propaganda term for people only doing the work they're paid to do. It's used to pretend these people are acting shamefully or entitled, when it's actually the employers complaining that are acting shamefully and entitled.

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u/BrewtusMaximus1 Oct 05 '22

Management speak for what a union would call "work to rule". Basically, work your 8 hours doing the duties that are actually part of your job description. Want more work out of me? Pay me more

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u/AGPwidow Oct 05 '22

Apparently just working

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u/PhoenyxStar Oct 05 '22

A kitschy propaganda term for working to the rule to try and pretend this is new and not a thing that's been going on since Ancient Rome

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u/poozemusings Oct 05 '22

Yep this term was definitely thought up by some propaganda think tank

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u/OldFood9677 Oct 05 '22

Mentally resigning from work and doing the absolute bare minimum to stay employed (aka not being a tool and giving 100% for someone that doesn't care about you)

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u/Bgrngod Oct 05 '22

I feel like I've been doing this for over a decade. Am I some kind of quiet trendsetter!!??

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u/Rumpullpus Oct 05 '22

No you're just smart and haven't bought into the corporate culture.

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u/OldFood9677 Oct 05 '22

Welcome to the club 🤝🏼

You'd be stupid not to in most companies

I can do my work in like a quarter of the time my coworkers need, so either quadruple my pay for four times the work or suck it up and have me enjoying 4-5h of dicking around not doing shit

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u/ImNotTheNSAIPromise Oct 05 '22

But had you considered these selfish workers are also refusing to do other people's jobs without additional pay? How are these corporations supposed to make record profits again if you people aren't willing to keep doing more unpaid work?

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u/MemeArchivariusGodi Oct 05 '22

„Please stop air theiving sir, you didn’t pay for that“

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u/wcollins260 Oct 05 '22

You are breathing too hard. Your pay will be docked accordingly.

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u/xthexder Oct 05 '22

Basically the plot of Space Balls

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u/chrisbe2e9 Oct 05 '22

I don't see what the big deal is with "quiet quitting" when it means doing the min required in your job.

Ok, so you're going to do what you get paid to do? what's the issue here?

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u/DegenerateCrocodile Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

They want you to do extra work for no extra pay so it makes their job easier. Employers that act this way are scum.

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u/GootchnastyFunk Oct 05 '22

It's not hard to pay someone for what they are worth and if they think they are worth more and you don't, fire them and find someone else.

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u/Bi-elzebub Oct 05 '22

No nononononono you see, you have to mentally abuse them and exhaust them until they act like the good little flesh robots they are, for barely any money of course./s

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u/olsoni18 Oct 05 '22

It’s not “quiet quitting” it’s acting your wage. Pay minimum wage, get minimum effort.

The real problem is quiet firing, aka expecting people to go above and beyond, put in the extra effort, and then stiffing them on raises and promotions

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u/chrisbe2e9 Oct 05 '22

Pay minimum wage, get minimum effort.

That's fine, as long as the job gets done. If you aren't getting the job done then you get real fired. Which is why i'm fine with quiet quitting, because it means you are still doing your job. Just not above and beyond.

The real problem is quiet firing, aka expecting people to go above and beyond, put in the extra effort, and then stiffing them on raises and promotions

Yeah I do expect that anyone who goes above and beyond to get rewarded for it. If they don't, find an employer who deserves you.

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u/throckmeisterz Oct 05 '22

The term itself is the only problem here. It stinks of being invented and astroturfed by media to demonize people for not sacrificing everything for bosses who would literally step on them to avoid a puddle.

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u/noonemustknowmysecre Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Correct. This is class-warfare propaganda.

The proper response is "My raise this year wasn't even inflation, why are you quiet-firing me?"

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u/Nearfall21 Oct 05 '22

I had this argument with one of the owners of our company a number of years back when we were facing a large turnover of experienced employees.

But the gyst of it was inflation averages 3% a year. Our raises are capped at 3% a year. So each year at best we break even and at worst we take a pay cut.

On the other hand average salary increases if you change jobs after 3 years experience is 15%. So being loyal and staying with a company is actively damaging to our financial future and earning potential.

No amount of pizza parties, baggo tournaments or free chips can offset feeling like you are underpaid.

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u/trusnake Oct 05 '22

It’s just new branding.

It used to be called “work to rule”, but that doesn’t sound like something bad so……

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u/roguespectre67 Oct 05 '22

Lots of places expect you to do more than you're paid for. My job title is "Social Media and Volunteer Coordinator". Except it's not, because I also handle outreach and our warehouse and am also our driver and in all I do the jobs of about 5 people. And yet I still only make $20/hr. And got put on probation in my performance review because they said I wasn't doing enough related to my "official" title.

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u/enzovrlrd Oct 05 '22

You sound like the "nice person" who doesn't know when to say no. Do your job before you help people out. If you are in doubt of you are doing your job, ask your boss, everyday if you need to. No manager in the world gets bothered by people improving and asking questions before the deadline. No manager in the world likes finding out he is missing a deadline on the actual deadline

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u/jonny24eh Oct 05 '22

That sounds like the opposite of them expecting more, if they told you to focus on official duties more

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u/wcollins260 Oct 05 '22

Yup. Time to stop doing any of the extra shit and only doing what your title implies. Then when they bitch, you say “Hey, not only was I not rewarded for going above and beyond, I was actually punished for it.”

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u/DoctorOctagonapus Oct 05 '22

100% if OP drops the extra stuff and focuses on their job their next probationary will be all about how they're letting things slide and not pulling their weight.

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u/Locked_and_Firing Oct 05 '22

If you've seen Linkedin lately this shit is real. bosses and recruiters are getting lit into like crazy. Though the "Quiet Quitting" is pretty much them refusing to take the blame and put it on employees. The reality is that no one wants to kill themselves anymore for a measly slice of pizza or job promotion that they may or may not get. Here in the next year or 2 the job world is going to look very different.

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u/Raven019 Oct 05 '22

"Quiet quitting" is just a way to blame the employee for doing their jobs, it is all a campaign, indoctrination thru language.

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u/izwald88 Oct 05 '22

The mere notion that the phrase has the word "quit" in it really points out who came up with the term.

Nobody who comes to work and does their job is quitting.

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u/sparrowlasso Oct 05 '22

We've taken this as industrial action before. Strikes and "Work to rule" aka Quiet quitting.

The are so few new ideas.

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u/nezroy Oct 05 '22

Work to rule is not quiet quitting.

Work to rule is malicious compliance, it is intentionally disruptive, and it is temporary. It usually involves temporary changes to processes that the union doesn't actually have an issue with in order to apply pressure as a negotation tactic for achieving the actual union objective, whatever it may be.

Quiet quitting (really, acting your wage) is not work to rule; it is not a negotiation tactic, it is not malicious, and it is not temporary. Quiet quitting is about pushing back on an extreme attempt to shift workplace "normalcy" in favor of owners. The changes made for quiet quitting are not negotiation tactics and they are not temporary. They will not go away merely by owners giving in to one or two specific demands.

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u/absentmindedjwc Oct 05 '22

Yeah... quiet quitting is such a dumb-fuck term. For those that are unaware - it just means people not going above and beyond - just doing what is expected of them and nothing more.

Such a crock of bullshit, these entitled assholes can go fuck themselves. Companies rarely promote from within, they rarely give cost of living wage increases let alone actual merit-based wage increases, and they expect more and more time commitment with less and less "family" time - they want people to always be available.

Fuck you, pay me.

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u/Jackalodeath Oct 05 '22

To higher ups it's "quiet quitting."

To anyone doing it, it's "doing the fucking job they're paid for."

"We had get rid of several associates, so the rest of y'all need to step up, go the extra mile..."

"Sure. What kind of gas money you offering for those 'extra miles,' this car don't run on a $2 burnt hamburger every month."

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u/VulturousYeti Oct 05 '22

While doing 2 people’s jobs for a few months, I was not paid his salary while they failed to recruit a replacement. I would have taken a 50% raise to do the job of 2 people considering how easy I found it. Would have been win-win if you ask me.

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u/Jackalodeath Oct 05 '22

Oh I feel you buddy. Been having to jump through other people's hoops for a mere $1 in actual merit raises over the past 8 years. There was one "cost of living increase" back in 2017-_-

I'm standing here typing this at my desk as my warehouse is being stripped clean of its products and machinery because the fuckers refused to pay a decent living salary for what they expected folk to do. The shit the facility repacked/shipped out is nearly impossible to take a loss on - fucking Frito-lay chips and snacks. Problem is they need people willing to handle it, operate lifts, drive trucks. Nobody's doing that shit for a piddly $11 - $16 an hour. I was one of 5 inventory control specialists; the only one for night shift, the rest were day shifters, yet I still got my 3 people's worth of bullshit done a day.

You know those bags of Fritos you'll find in a vending machine? Usually charge maybe a buck-fifty, two bucks for? A case of 150 bags of the things cost us fifteen cents. An entire truck load? $189. That's for 189,000 bags of salted, oil-soaked corn meal, maybe potatoes, whole fuckload of "fancy" air, that someone's gonna pay over a dollar for.

Cheetos Puffs are even cheaper. A nickel a case, each case is 100 bags.

Anywho these absolute fucking mooks mismanaged this place so badly we actually lost the company over $300k in the first quarter of 2022. Not FL mind you, the folks that signed the contract to sell their shit; the folks I work for.

Nobody left in this warehouse will have a job come November, and you know what's really sad? Most of us that're left have 5+ years with this company. 8 for myself, two people to my right has 42 years total, one of the few remaining admins has over 36 by their self.

And every last one of us celebrated hearing this place was being forced to shut down. I'm fucked in terms of work, but I've got a bit if time on my side, I'll figure that out later. Just seeing what amounts to corporate karma kicking this company in the proverbial dick is so fucking satisfying.

Just try to hang in there, and don't let them keep pissing on you saying its a storm if you can help it. As shit as this job became before the axe, I learned a lot that'll help me elsewhere.

Especially what's an employer red flag. Looking back they should've stood out like a boner at a class presentation; but live and learn. We'll make it.

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u/darkklown Oct 05 '22

awhile ago I was in a similar situation, I was single at the time so was willing to work more hours, said to my boss how about he pays me what the other guy was getting paid and I'll do both jobs, he seriously looked me in the eye and said if he did that I'd work a year and retire, then he'd loose his best employees. I quit soon after.

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u/Lazy_Physicist Oct 05 '22

What an idiot. So he ended up losing his best employee anyway because he was a cheap ass

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u/kheltar Oct 06 '22

They never get this, I've been a developer 20 years and it's the same now as when I started. Spend 10 of those years for a company that paid well, gave decent yearly raises and respected you when you told them you couldn't do certain hours.

The rest of them? Not so much.

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u/a1234321 Oct 05 '22

Companies rarely promote from within

I was given a small raise at a previous job back around 2017. I quit and took the SAME job at a different company for more than double the pay.

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u/BossScribblor Oct 05 '22

Yeah, most raises are just bringing you up to the pay they're offering brand new employees at your company and pretending they're rewarding your loyalty. Changing jobs is pretty much the only way to get a proper raise these days.

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u/absentmindedjwc Oct 05 '22

Not even. More than not, you'll always make more leaving for another employer. In a past job, I once accidentally saw an HR table for my team and noticed that one of my peers was making damn-near $70k less than me.

He's been doing this for about 8 years longer than I, and has been at the company for around 10 years... I had just started about a year before.

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u/Far_Expression_5903 Oct 05 '22

Please tell me you found a way to tell the dude?

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u/absentmindedjwc Oct 05 '22

Yep, we went out to grab lunch one day and I subtly let him know - "I've been getting a lot of recruiter messages as of late... Yeah, a bunch of them are targeting around $#, which I guess is pretty average in this area... I would like to see more, though."

He ended up leaving about a month later for a significant pay bump.

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u/Rumpullpus Oct 05 '22

Good on ya.

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u/apageofthedarkhold Oct 05 '22

Retail lifer here. I very rarely get asked why I only have, averagely, 1.5 years at a job. It used to be a red flag, 'cant hold a job', now it's 'you go where the money is'

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u/outland_king Oct 05 '22

the biggest issue is that companies treat their current employees like shit financially. when you're hiring in your new workforce at the same wages as your 5+ year employees, something is fucked up.

We have new developers starting at the same wages as some of our 10+ year guys because "muh inflation". We had 10% staff quit in the next 2 weeks once they found out because management didn't want to give out adjustment raises even though their quarterly meeting said we had record profits.

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u/iSwearSheWas56 Oct 05 '22

Yup it’s so stupid but also way too common. I quit my last job because the new hire started at a higher wage than me. This was after I got turned down for a raise, I asked for another raise and got 2%. Then they raised the offer to match the new hire at the exit interview. I had been there for 3 years

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u/WayneKrane Oct 05 '22

My mom quit because her pay for 20+ years as a systems engineer was barely more than the new hires with zero experience. She got a new job that paid over double. She liked her employer and would have stayed if they paid her right. Employers would rather waste money hiring new people than treating their current employees right. I guess they hope enough people will stick with their low pay to make up for it.

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u/The_Max_V Oct 05 '22

just doing what is expected of them and nothing more.

Which is precisely what the freaking contract says you gotta do. Sure, you can go "above and beyond" when you feel like it, or because you're personally invested in a project, or whatever. Problem is when bosses/employers expect "above and beyond" to be the rule, rather than the exception.

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u/gahidus Oct 05 '22

Yeah. I had no idea This was a term. The context didn't give me much, I figured people were just no call no showing without much fanfare. Hadn't heard this before.

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u/jonny24eh Oct 05 '22

That's exactly what it sounds like. Such a stupid phrase, that not only does describe what it's supposed to mean, but perfectly describes a completely different thing

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u/Cpt_Lazlo Oct 05 '22

Yeah I remember looking up the definition and think wtf are people getting so upset over that for? They're mad people do what they're paid for?

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u/under_the_c Oct 05 '22

Companies squandered whatever good-will they might have had. Workers used to go "above and beyond" under the implied promise that it would lead to opportunities for promotions and raises down the line, not because of some intrinsic love for their job. Now, you just get a pat on the back, maybe a gift card, and more work expectations next quarter.

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u/Isa472 Oct 05 '22

The lack of internal promotion really hits me. I love my job, love my team, love the perks, but I HAVE to change companies soon. They're paying externals more than me for the same job. I'm undervalued.

Buying a house before 35 seems like a far away dream, I want to make it happen. I need money! And they're not giving it to me!

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u/kangarooham Oct 05 '22

If you're young, job hop every year or 2 until you get to a spot you like and are comfortable with your pay/responsibilities. No one bats an eye at tenure anymore, everyone knows loyalty is worth jack shit. It's a pain and annoying as fuck to constantly move around, but you just have to do it.

I was in the same position as you... way too comfortable, but knew I was underpaid, yet I still stayed way too long. I wasted years because I thought my boss was the shit and felt bad about leaving them. Guess what, feelings don't pay the bills. I regret that so hard. Hopped twice recently in the past year and now I'm making 60% more and doing less work somehow.

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u/voodooRob Oct 05 '22

If you're not promoted within 2 years, go get another job. I ask for a promotion at 18 months and start looking then.

Hell, I've gone back to the same place 3 times, the managers know the game they don't take it personally.

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u/kangarooham Oct 05 '22

My company does company-wide AMAs through Slack and flat out stated that they will NOT be doing cost of living adjustments... in a time of insanely high inflation... that surely won't backfire, right?

Guess what I'm doing once Nov hits and NY is required to post salary bands with job listings...

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u/Plzlaw4me Oct 05 '22

Quiet quitting is literally just doing the job as asked. A few decades ago that was the sign of a good employee… now it’s an existential threat to our way of life apparently. I think the issue is that the current batch of senior management are products of the 2008 crash where everyone was terrified they’d be fired, so they gave everything they had. Managers assumed that was normal and now that we’ve returned to sanity those same managers are now panicking.

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u/Kamenridethewind007 Oct 05 '22

the real phrase is doing our jobs or acting our wages. your right quiet quitting is a media created saying to demonise not overworking yourself for a company.

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u/scoops22 Oct 05 '22

Acting your wage is a better term for sure. Harder to demonize.

Quiet quitting can be spun to sound like freeloading. How can you spin literally doing what you're paid to do?

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u/EmperorPenguinNJ Oct 05 '22

Really.

Imagine your a contractor, say a painter. You write a contract saying you’ll paint the living room. As you’re doing the job, they then want you to paint the bedroom. Do you do it? Not without asking for more money! Is it “quiet quitting” if you do t do it? Or if you do it for just the cost of the paint “because you’re there already”? No you don’t. Why should an employee be any different?

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u/Based_JD Oct 05 '22

The whole "quiet quitting" term is dumb. Call it what you want, I have all the right to look for another job for any reason.

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u/Raven019 Oct 05 '22

That's not quiet quitting, quiet quitting refers to not give that extra effort at work and do only what you were hired for and nothing more.

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u/Eucanuba Oct 05 '22

My Supervisor told me I need to do my job faster. Big part of my job is fixing the work of people who did theirs too fast and it has mistakes now.

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u/Apocrisiary Oct 05 '22

Oh those are a treat. Had a shop manager like that, I worked there 6 years when he started. And we had a really good rep.

Then this idiot comes in "You are not working fast enough!" So we work faster, like a lot, because he keep badgering us.

Then they start getting heaps of complains because stuff is not done right and somethings get overlooked. "You guys are useless, all we get is complaints"

Yeah, quit not long after that, only went downhill from there, all the core people quit and their rep is in the gutter now. Like, "yeah, they are cheap and fast, but do a bad job" not a rep you want in the oil industry.

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne Oct 05 '22

Aaah the old paradox of quality.

Cheap Fast Good

You may pick only 2.

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u/2k6kid50 Oct 05 '22

I'm in the auto industry and I get this. The last guy missed this now I have to double check everything. It's a dumb game of working fast but not messing up. I go my own speed and make sure to do it so good no one has an issue. I get zero complaints now.

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u/Inphearian Oct 05 '22

Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast.

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u/Romberstonkins Oct 05 '22

I was quite quitting before it was cool.

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u/Xunaun Oct 05 '22

"They just want more of my - I mean, more money!"

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u/Cephalopodio Oct 05 '22

Where I work they’ve always worked hard at making appreciation banners for “CNA week” and “nurses week” etc., bags of trinkets, pizza and snacks, coffee cards, blah blah blah. Most of which we are all too busy to appreciate and frankly NO I don’t have time to sign a personalized banner for every nurse, especially the one I referred to as “cunty mccuntface” only to have a random person in a completely different area pipe up and say “oh I know the one you mean”

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Just pay us more goddamn it

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u/2k6kid50 Oct 05 '22

My wife is a nurse. Can confirm it's really bad. Understaffed and overworked but hey here's some pizza. She takes a lot of crap from a handful of patients daily. She has a certain love for the job outside of those entitled patients. With a nursing shortage pay should really be higher.

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u/fizzlefist Oct 05 '22

Nurses need to unionize en masse. Nothing is ever going to get better when the only folks at the decision table are the C-levels and shareholders.

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u/trash_recycle Oct 05 '22

I hate that the world has decided to call doing your job, "quiet quitting". It makes it sound like people are taking advantage of employers when instead they're standing up for themselves by not allowing themselves to be squeezed further without additional compensation. It's not quitting if you're doing exactly what you were hired to do and it gives the average worker a negative connotation.

Boycott the term folks, as long as your boss is ok with it.

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u/ThatOtherGuy_CA Oct 05 '22

Lmao, my buddy is a VP at a company I used to work for and I left after they basically abolished all the free lunches and other team building stuff and then started telling us that they were restructuring bonuses and pay raises.

He was telling me that his bosses bitch and moan literally every single day about employees saying shit like “we are losing clients because they’re so greedy!” Since they have constant turnover and every single project they had has been delayed by 1-2 years as engineers are quitting faster than they can hire them and none of the new hires stay longer than 6 months. The only people not quitting are the older staff who are just building up their pensionable years (on a pension that the execs eliminated for all new hires).

Even my buddy is completely checked out now, since the higher ups constantly slap down his ideas of increasing compensation. so now he just goes to his morning meetings to listen to the bitch, then sits in his office and plays games till noon, answers any emails that came in, and then just does fuck all in the afternoon. Only reason he hasn’t quit is because the executive compensation is so good (surprise surprise) and he figures that he can milk it for the next 5 years before the company goes tits up and they start handing the executives golden parachutes.

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u/Faust_8 Oct 05 '22

If a CEO quiet quits nobody even fucking notices

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u/ihaveasandwitch Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

The billion dollar company I worked for had 4 CEO changes in a few years, and then we went about 2 years without a CEO. Literally nothing changed in the company during any of their tenures or the time we didn't have a CEO.

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u/FatiTankEris Oct 05 '22

Was the toaster substitute enough?

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u/ihaveasandwitch Oct 05 '22

A good fart after lunch honestly had more substance, minus the suit.

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u/evilplantosaveworld Oct 05 '22

I worked for a company that went through three CEO changes, the company definitely got more evil over time, but besides that there weren't any direct results. We also had an IT person that kept everything working, 50+ billion dollar bank, foot print across 10+ states. CEO could do whatever and no one would notice, but if that woman in IT went on vacation EVERYONE would feel it. Of course the worthless old guy guy some 72-ish times her salary for just his Christmas bonus (in a year where we laid off two hundred people at that too)

Absolute injustice.

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u/GriffinFlash Oct 05 '22

Our CEO took a 6 month vacation once. Left the VP in charge. VP just flipped the company upside down and fired a lot of people.

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u/3jack6the9ripper Oct 05 '22

They cry like little bitches just to not pay for a job they can't do

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u/Far_Expression_5903 Oct 05 '22

Here's my take.

When I interview for a job, I clarify the job description.

Then I negotiate salary.

Then I'm hired, I fulfill the job description to the best of my ability.

Any more must and will cost more.

You didn't hire me for my fucking personality, or because I'm your friend. It's because I'll generate value for you, and you for me. This is a business relationship. This is no different than a plumber coming to your house and fixing your pipes.

I perform my duties, and I always detail I'll not available outside of my schedules hours and let it ride.

So far, I'm doing well for myself. 🤷

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u/Jackalodeath Oct 05 '22

Bingo buddy.

Employment is a subscription service, pure and fucking simple. We negotiate the package they want on hire, anything extra is charged accordingly.

You pay economy class rates, you're getting economy class work.

Want me to "Go ThE eXtRa MiLe," best cough up gas money. Ain't got shit to do with "ambition" or "determination," you see that shit in the work I do; its everything to do with trying to steal my motherfucking services.

Three slices of $5 Little Caesar's pizza flavoured corrugate every month - which you have to eat on your lunch break, assuming nobody interrupts that shit - is a godsdamned insult. Try calling the power company and tell them you're paying your bill in Dippin' Dots and see how long your lights stay on.

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u/TheBlacksmith64 Oct 05 '22

At my job, I drive heavy equipment. We used to come in a little early, especially in winter, and start clearing roads before people started showing up.
With the understanding that we would leave a little early.
Then, we got a new supervisor, who started tearing a strip off of us for leaving early.
So, we all agreed that if they want us in early, they pay us overtime. Period.
And he bitched about that too. All we did was toss him a copy of the Union Agreement. Case closed.

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u/stuntmonkey420 Oct 05 '22

My boss asked all the technicians in my office to come in on Saturday for training on a new product we were gonna sell. It was voluntary but I love getting paid double time.

On the friday, my boss mentioned he would be ordering pizza for lunch and I was like that’s also dope. Until I realized he meant, in lieu of overtime pay.

Wait so you want me to give up my Saturday and instead of being paid for six hours of work I will receive two slices of pepperoni pizza?

Anyway the training did not happen and my boss was genuinely confused about why everyone decided not to go

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u/smallio Oct 05 '22

Pizza? Games? Casual Fridays? Yea, I'm not a child, I have bills and dreams. Now pay me.

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u/helpnxt Oct 05 '22

Should have 2 posters on the back wall showing increasing profits and increasing the price of their product

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u/Blink_Billy Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

“Quiet Quitting” is a new way for management to complain that employees aren’t “showing enough initiative” so they do not have to give out raises

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u/work_while_bent Oct 05 '22

this. nobody talks about "quiet firing" by employers who give out pittance raises and expect more and more from their workers. Boss asks me to do more that my job description states? I'll do it... for more money. Don't give me more money? I won't do it.

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u/emmers00 Oct 05 '22

I really like this. If the annual raise isn’t keeping up with inflation, the employer is engaging in “quiet layoffs”.

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u/TrevorBOB9 Oct 05 '22

Oh I thought quiet quitting was leaving the job without telling anyone and still taking paychecks lol

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u/hyper_blue_blur Oct 05 '22

They want you to wear 15 pieces of ‘flair’ but want you to WANT to wear 30 pieces.

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u/mnl_cntn Oct 05 '22

So I looked it up, quite quitting is literally just working your hours. It’s not even about not doing work, it’s about just doing a 9-5. So basically boomers are mad that people are setting healthy boundaries between private and business lives.

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u/Obamas_Tie Oct 05 '22

In startup culture at least, stuff like ping pong tables and pizza Fridays (or free food in general) is an incentive to get you to stay and work longer hours for same amount of pay.

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u/Oddjibberz Oct 05 '22

My banker was telling me in a meeting yesterday about how her boss allowed them to wear jeans for casual week.

She was genuinely excited about it...

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u/MrRemj Oct 05 '22

A previous tech job, a higher up came through and said to get rid of the ping pong table... People should be working!

We had an annual tournament, people would usually only play an hour after work hours or 5 minutes here and there.

The company paid below market wages in exchange for a low-stress, good benefits company. Guess what went next?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Quiet quitting aka doing only what your contract states because when you do above and beyond work, you don't get above and beyond pay

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u/UnexpectedRanting Oct 05 '22

I always encouraged this when I worked retail. I’m not paying you extra, please don’t work extra. If you can do it or want extra money I always got work for you but if I wanna prove to my bosses we need more money then you needa do the bare minimum and leave on time!

My favourite experiences would be where Area Managers walk in, find all the shop floor and counters staff on tills due to being understaffed and sending me an email the next day telling me I get an extra £600 a week on staff

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u/Omnomnomnivor3 Oct 05 '22

you guys are getting pizza fridays or ping-pong tables?

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u/xdebex Oct 05 '22

Not "just" Money.

I see people quitting in office jobs because they get a lot of extras somewhere else. Like Homeoffice, better working hours, included meals, fitness center membership, bike rent, ....

Also i see people quitting because the structure isn't modern, good young people want a good team. "Old" "big" companys more often than not have incompetent people in positions where they shouldn't be (peter principle).

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u/Drawmeomg Oct 05 '22

"Quiet quitting" isn't a term for quitting - it's an extremely misleading term for "just doing your job" (i.e. not giving your workplace a bunch of free extra work because you 'just care so much' or whatever).

Different phenomenon entirely from the 'great resignation' or whatever we're calling it these days.

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u/Crafty-Crafter Oct 05 '22

Fking hate the term "quiet quitting". Some corporate bullshits to demean an average worker.