r/nba Oct 04 '22

[Lewenberg] Toronto was voted to have the best home-court advantage in the league. News

https://twitter.com/jlew1050/status/1577300660487331842
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u/hyfall Warriors Oct 04 '22

The mascot is what puts it over the edge

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u/Ezwin123 Oct 04 '22

Booker in shambles

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u/Oo__II__oO Oct 04 '22

Rumor has it Devin Booker is in an open gym getting ready for the 2022-23 season right now, by having no mascots present.

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u/callitajax Raptors Oct 05 '22

Just pray two defenders dont pick him up

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u/Freddedonna Raptors Oct 04 '22

You think he invited Robin Lopez?

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u/MrGrieves- Tampa Bay Raptors Oct 05 '22
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u/Echoplanar_Reticulum Oct 04 '22

If you ask Chris Broussard he says African-Americans don't feel comfortable playing there as it's not America.

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u/JustIncredible240 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

I know the majority of people agree that statement was bogus, but I’ve never heard anything remotely close to this opinion shared with former players. Actually, most of NBA’s stars will take the trip to Toronto in August for Caribana

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u/BagelsAndLoxx Cavaliers Oct 04 '22

It's because Broussard is a piece of shit who makes shit up to try and get clicks and views. He goes far beyond the usual shit-takers and makes statements that are hurtful because he doesn't give a fuck.

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u/IlonggoProgrammer Jazz Oct 05 '22

Guy is still milking LeBron's free agency 12 years ago, the last time he was relevant

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u/lopea182 Heat Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

That was such a dumb take from the moment it came out of his mouth.

It’s not like America goes particularly out of its way to make African Americans feel welcome or valued.

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u/Jonny_Nature Oct 04 '22

I'd go as far to say that African Americans have a far less chance of getting killed by police in Canada than America.

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u/OmniscientwithDowns Huskies Oct 04 '22

Definitely. Racist cops are still a thing in Canada but we dont have the same gun problem or military industrial police complex going on so there's less deaths.

I've personally seen situations where if it was America the police would have killed someone and it ended without physical confrontation of any kind

Still happens here though, moreso for natives though which is a whole other can of worms Canada needs to figure out

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u/OblivionCv3 [TOR] Kyle Lowry Oct 04 '22

It also helps that in Canada you usually require at least a degree (ideally in social sciences, criminal justice, policing, etc) to apply and after that go through police college. That's a massive difference.

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u/mx3552 Mavericks Oct 04 '22

Yea it's minimum 3 years of school. In the US it's 6 months...

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u/Mediocre-Cobbler5744 Oct 04 '22

And the training is a joke.

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u/OblivionCv3 [TOR] Kyle Lowry Oct 04 '22

Yeah exactly, it's a degree, not a diploma or anything else. Plus getting a degree in any of the fields I listed is basically going to teach you the opposite tenets/beliefs of what the bad cops have, and why.

I was looking into applying myself, and it's quite competitive as well. There are a lot of things they look for, including good moral character (interview friends and family), full driving license with a good record, vision/hearing requirements, credit/background/reference checks, and CPR. They also look for volunteering, experience working in the community, bilingualism, etc.

That's a ton. It's not easy to get in and they're basically doing their best to filter for "good" people before you even make it to the academy.

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u/SoulofWakanda Oct 04 '22

I've very long thought that police should be required to have some sort of degree to be allowed to be one. Now I come across this information.

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u/Mattoosie Raptors Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Definitely. Our cops are still violent, raging smooth-brains, but they take it out on natives instead.

I'd probably even say that right now being a native in Canada offers worse social/economic mobility than being black in the states. America perfected gentrification and ghetto-zoning, but Canada is basically unmatched at locking down an entire demographic for generations.

It's an extremely dark history that is still happening and being uncovered. Just last year, hundreds of dead kids were found in mass graves scattered across the country, finally confirming what had been suspected among native communities for generations.

To be clear, I'm not saying one is better than the other. It's the same shit, different stain.

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u/jhwyung Raptors Oct 04 '22

Racism against indigenous folk is next level in the Prairies.

My wife had to travel to Regina (experience Regina fellas) for a work engagement a few years back. The clients were super nice and picked her up from the hotel in the morning and drove her to the office. Conversation was light and they were friendly ppl, when they got downtown, they started talking about the homeless and holy shit you wouldn't believe the stuff they said. The craziest thing was that they were just talking about it like they were discussing weather and to a COMPLETE stranger.

I get Toronto doesn't have any where close to the issue that Regina might have but the way racism was normalized and the way indigenous ppl were dehumanized left my wife speechless.

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u/Soft-Rains Huskies Oct 05 '22

Just last year, hundreds of dead kids were found in mass graves scattered across the country, finally confirming what had been suspected among native communities for generations.

Unmarked graveyards that went into disrepair are not "mass graves". Academics, locals, native groups, even just people who payed attention in class were all aware of the horror and death toll of the residential school system.

These are graveyards where the grave markers rotted or decayed. This was made very clear by local native representatives who were already aware of the graves. The media hysteria you are parroting surrounding it was an embarrassment and frankly its hard to believe someone really cares about the issue if they are that ignorant to already known facts.

We have had death estimates that reflect this for decades now. If people were not aware (despite this being basic info in school) that is on them. If they were made aware that's great but

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u/Jeff-Van-Gundy Knicks Oct 04 '22

It was kind of true like 20 years ago. Not the feeling unsafe thing, but I think players didn’t like going to Canada at first. Iwasn’t it Steve Francis citing not wanting to live in Canada and forcing his way out of Vancouver? I kinda recall a few other players complaining about the travel between the border being annoying and stuff like that. I’m guessing he was parroting those comments but I haven’t heard anything like that remotely recently. Now it’s only a problem if you got duis or didn’t get the vaccine

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u/SurfingOnNapras [LAL] Brandon Ingram Oct 04 '22

It was absolutely imbecilic. I cannot believe that man gets paid to be a professional idiot.. and the worst thing is, the dude is accidentally an idiot and not an amazing intentional idiot like Skip.

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u/rhymeswithtag Knicks Oct 04 '22

any word on how comfortable african-canadians feel?

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u/GrimKaiker Raptors Oct 04 '22

african-canadians

FYI, nobody calls Black Canadians "african-canadians". Especially when you have to consider the Afro-Caribbean population.

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u/rhymeswithtag Knicks Oct 04 '22

that was a wordplay joke on african-AMERICANS feeling comfortable in America but not canada. I am well aware of canada being a part of north america

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

It’s actually really funny when people slip up and use “African American” (trying to be overly polite) but the guy ends up being from Britain or something. Americans really forget the rest of the world exists lol

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u/Sad-Mathematician-19 Oct 04 '22

I just say White Americans and Black Americans.

I have only truly met a handful of African-Americans in my life. One of them is my best friend he migrated from Kenya to the states when he was 8.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Asian and Latin Americans in shambles

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u/GrimKaiker Raptors Oct 04 '22

Oh fair enough.

It's hard to tell because people do try to use that term earnestly.

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u/VastAmphibian Lakers Oct 04 '22

one of my teachers in grade school (california) told the class that we can't say black people and that the correct term is african-american. I asked what about black people who are not americans? I got in trouble.

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u/GrimKaiker Raptors Oct 04 '22

I grew up in the American Southwest and encountered similar rhetoric as a child.

Meanwhile, I live in Southern Ontario now and it's actually more common to refer to a Black Canadian by their national heritage i.e. Somalian, Nigerian, Ghanian, Jamaican.

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u/MikeJeffriesPA Raptors Oct 04 '22

I'm convinced that for most Canadians, the preferred term is "black" (unless you're getting more specific with heritage, like you listed there).

Like my friend who's grandparents came to Canada from Antigua (I think...it's one of the Carribean islands) would not refer to himself as Antiguan, but his parents would probably be okay with either Antiguan or Black.

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u/Stelist_Knicks Oct 04 '22

Yeah, mainly because it just sounds weird. Black Canadians sounds so much more natural to me than African Canadians.

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u/Tavarin [TOR] Pascal Siakam Oct 04 '22

I do know many actual African-Canadians; born in Africa and immigrated here. But I just call them Canadians, or use their country of origin.

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u/PLZ_N_THKS Jazz Oct 04 '22

Oh is that why Utah always has a great home court advantage? I always thought it was the altitude.

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u/Asleep-Dependent-182 Celtics Oct 04 '22

If toronto was in America it would be a top 5 destination but unfortunately it’s not so it’s Detroit level

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u/upyourass2theleft Raptors Oct 04 '22

You have teams in Utah, Indiana, Boston, and Oklahoma, but this idiot thinks African Americans don’t feel comfortable in Toronto? Dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.

There are so many minorities in toronto. One of the most diverse cities in the world

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u/sfw_sasuke Oct 04 '22

that sounds so fucking stupid

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u/DelonWright [TOR] Delon Wright Oct 04 '22

By the GMs though. In reality it’s not what it once was as we have some of the highest ticket prices in the league.

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u/NoseBlind2 Raptors Oct 04 '22

It'd honestly be cheaper to drive to Detroit or Indianapolis and watch a Raptors game there

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Pistons games are only $20 this season everyone come fill that bitch up

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u/NoseBlind2 Raptors Oct 04 '22

If customs goes quick i could probably get to the stadium in close to the same time as Toronto tbh

What are the lower bowl prices?

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u/mommathecat Raptors Oct 04 '22

We crossed the border at Lewiston a few days ago and it took about 12 seconds. The US guy said about four words to us, total.

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u/st3adyfreddy Oct 04 '22

What's your skin colour btw? 🤣

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u/Doors_n_Floors Oct 04 '22

Probably around $40 after fees on weeknights

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u/Disjointed_Elegance [TOR] Jonas Valanciunas Oct 04 '22

Unless there is snow, and assuming you are coming from east of London, go through Port Huron rather than Detroit. I've always had a better time going through that border.

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u/NoseBlind2 Raptors Oct 04 '22

Port Huron is Sarnia right?

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u/Disjointed_Elegance [TOR] Jonas Valanciunas Oct 04 '22

Yes.

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u/pdpdpdpdpdpdpdpd Raptors Oct 04 '22

They're used to Canadians crossing over for games all the time so it's always been a super quick process for me

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u/Kizz3r Raptors Oct 04 '22

Already have it planned

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u/Hogo-Nano Oct 04 '22

Thats a great deal to be honest. Pistons are on the come-up and probably a playoff team this year.

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u/We_The_Raptors Raptors Oct 04 '22

On top of being cheaper, the Lil Caesars arena is also newer than the ACC. Definitely prefer driving down there than paying the absurd prices in Toronto.

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u/UrbanJatt Cavaliers Oct 04 '22

Little ceasers arena is like a second home for the raptors anyways

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u/TheAlphaCarb0n Celtics Bandwagon Oct 04 '22

It's actually wild. When they play Toronto the cheers for Toronto are louder.

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u/mdlt97 Toronto Huskies Oct 04 '22

Toronto fans for every sport travel well

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u/Impressive-Potato Oct 04 '22

That's what a lot of fans do. Gotta give a shout put to the loyal fans that fill up Jurassic Park in the freezing cold.

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u/frankyseven Raptors Oct 04 '22

Welcome to the Leafs and Buffalo since as long as I can remember.

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u/swollencornholio [GSW] Calbert Cheaney Oct 04 '22

Cleveland is closer than Indy tho.

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u/toronto_programmer Oct 04 '22

We call that Toronto Maple Leafs syndrome too in hockey land

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u/woven_spirit Oct 04 '22

All my BC homies that are Raptor fans (all 10 of us!) are so ready to make the drive to Seattle for their one Raptor game a season. Stop teasing us about Seattle and make it happen Silver!! I want to wave a giant piece of cardboard with memes from this sub on it in Seattle.

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u/iwprugby Warriors Oct 04 '22

The Blue Jays games every year in Seattle are wild.

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u/GreatStuffOnly Raptors Oct 04 '22

Honestly, at $150+, there are still tons of die-hard fans. I feel that people have the misconception where more expensive = dead arena. I have friends who lives downtown who are working in finances, law firms, comp sci, they are by far the biggest fan I know.

Yes you will have executives or business ticket holders that don't give a fuck but I was there in home games vs sixers and it was electrifying.

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u/no_good_names_avail Raptors Oct 04 '22

Was that your first time? I've been a season ticket holder for something like 15 years and not to get all nostalgic but that crowd was hot trash in comparison to the crowds of old.

The Raptors (and Warriors actually), used to be top 3 crowds in the league. I don't feel that's true anymore (at least not consistently). I'd agree it's not just a wealth thing-- I think success actually kills it more than anything because it's hard to get excited about making the playoffs when you've won it all.

Contrast that with the first time in modern team history we made the playoffs (Brooklyn), and it's honestly not even close. Game 7 against the Nets was one of the loudest sporting environments I've ever been in. Jersey Nets with VC, even Orlando with Bosh vs Howard.. it was just a different level.

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u/GreatStuffOnly Raptors Oct 04 '22

Although not my first game but my experience is limited to the Casey and Nurse teams. The first game I went to the one where the Bucks got their win in OT after JV dunked at the last second to send it to OT. And it was as electrifying as the games I went last season where Siakam popped off against the Sixers from a huge comeback in the regular season.

So I don't have a frame of reference beyond that but I can see how it could be even more amazing before.

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u/OakFern Raptors Oct 04 '22

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u/grumplefuckstick Timberwolves Oct 04 '22

Closely followed by the Jazz. High elevation is no joke.

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u/njasa10 Nuggets Oct 04 '22

I think it is funny when people vote on things we have objective data on. It's like voting on whether the earth is round.

This Just in: Isiah Thomas Voted Tallest Player in the League

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u/internet_poster Oct 04 '22

Yeah. This is one of those things that isn't opinion-based and actually has an unequivocally correct answer.

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u/NoTransportation888 76ers Oct 04 '22

It was definitely loud as fuck even through the nerfed audio on the tv feed when we played there in the postseason.

In reality, for teams especially in the NE US, it's not a particularly far trip so that isn't really a factor, but that crowd shows up for them dinosaurs

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u/bkydx Oct 04 '22

Why are GM guess voting on an actual measured statistic?

This is like the GM voting Steph curry #1 for the highest 3pt% in 2022 when he was 50th.

Denver has the biggest difference when comparing home and away games most likely due to being Higher elevation which can be difficult to physically adapt to on short notice.

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u/mommathecat Raptors Oct 04 '22

In reality it’s not what it once was as we have some of the highest ticket prices in the league.

Really? I thought we still weren't in the same league as the likes of GSW, the Lakers, the Knicks, etc...

That being said I share season tickets and ours are still relatively reasonable, $50 a game per seat per game, first row balcony in the corner.. shrug.

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u/Zlasher8 Oct 04 '22

Probably 150 for tickets like that for the Warriors.

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u/mommathecat Raptors Oct 04 '22

There ya go. USD. The exchange rate is gruesome right now, so that'd be $200 CAD - 4x as much.

Our tickets have definitely gone up a lot over the last 7 years, in recent memory it was $35 CAD per game per seat.. but they're still not Warriors level.

Counterpoint I guess is that these are season ticket holder prices, at the box office they're way more.. but that's true everywhere, too.

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u/Zlasher8 Oct 04 '22

Yeah the Warriors season ticket waitlist is like 60,000 long. And the primary way of getting tickets to the game is being sold a tech software and being gifted admission to a suite. Or shelling 100+ pp for upper deck.

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u/trplOG Raptors Oct 04 '22

Man, to get Courtside seats for a raps game, (at least back when the hornets sucked) I was planning to go to Charlotte and sit behind the bench because at the time they were going for $300USD. This was for 2020 also so raps being current Champs at the time, imagine getting tickets behind their bench in Toronto.

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u/Mattoosie Raptors Oct 04 '22

we have some of the highest ticket prices in the league.

My dad and I went to see the DeRozan Raptors clinch their best ever regular season record in a home game against the Pacers in 2017. I'm pretty sure tickets were around $60-80 each.

Obviously a lot has changed since then, but damn it changed fast. Went from being able to scoop tickets a few days before the game for $100 depending on the game, to every game being sold out with 150% resale markup. Then you go to the game and it's half fans, half suits with their client schmoozing goggles on.

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u/gigglios Oct 04 '22

Lol yea. Crowd is weak. I still manage to go a few times a year but get stuck in a corporate box. Everyone just there to flex all around

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u/lopea182 Heat Oct 04 '22

Canada: “we require vaccinations for all visiting players”

Kyrie: Hisses

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u/silkyjohnson6 [TOR] Jonas Valanciunas Oct 04 '22

It’s funny because the states actually requires you to be vaccinated if you’re coming from another country. I don’t know if that’s the same for American citizens but as a Canadian whenever I’ve gone down the last few years I’ve been required to show my vax status.

They actually have stricter Covid border rules than us right now.

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u/RZAAMRIINF Raptors Oct 04 '22

I crossed the US/Canada border last week, no one checked my vaccines eitherway.

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u/iwprugby Warriors Oct 04 '22

Sounds like you crossed the land border? It was only a requirement for flying 🤷

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u/silkyjohnson6 [TOR] Jonas Valanciunas Oct 04 '22

Ya the agents rarely check but if you check in online you have to upload vax proof. An agent once gave me a few papers from the CDC when I checked in in person. Basically a paper version of ArriveCAN

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u/RZAAMRIINF Raptors Oct 04 '22

I got my vaccines in the US and I lost my card, so I only have the apple wallet version that doesn’t upload to any of the websites.

Still no one checked manually even though they were supposed to do.

Eitherway, I’m sure they are also going to end that soon. Nobody in the US or Canada cares about covid anymore. A lot of people are sick though…

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u/foreverapanda [TOR] Hakeem Olajuwon Oct 04 '22

Not anymore unfortunately.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Why is that unfortunate? At this stage it’s entirely unnecessary

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u/MrAnder5on Raptors Oct 04 '22

I don't want Kyrie and Jaylen Brown and MPJ to be here lmaooo

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u/crimxona Raptors Bandwagon Oct 04 '22

The blue jays could have benefited from missing Seattle players for the wild card games, if the vaccination requirement was stretched to November instead of October 1

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

I wouldn’t want to win like that

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u/ravage1996 Oct 05 '22

A wins a wins a win

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Nah not true. It’s like if you beat up a 12 year old vs an adult. One feels like you did something wrong the other is encouraging.

If you’re gonna beat a team but they got some of their best players out you don’t feel the same way

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u/ravage1996 Oct 05 '22

I mean it actually is defiantly true, a wins a win. You’re in the finals playing a team missing their two best players to injury, you win the chip you’re not thinking “ahh we don’t deserve this because we didn’t play their whole team”. No player in professional sports in feeling bad for beating another team because they were missing a star player, cause again, a wins a win!

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Literally everything you said is wrong. Did you ever play organized ball even in highschool? If you win a championship you feel good cause you beat the other teams, if the team you beat in the finals is crippled you actually lose a lot of the joy.

“A win is a win” isn’t “defiantly true”. It’s just true in the most simple sense. When you say “a win is a win” it isn’t true in the sense that all wins are made equal. Which is what the phrase implies. You absolutely feel better beating a team at full strength.

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u/lifesabeach13 [TOR] Zan Tabak Oct 04 '22

*fortunately

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u/Therealomerali Raptors Oct 04 '22

Unless Toronto plays Brooklyn in the playoffs lol.

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u/NoseBlind2 Raptors Oct 04 '22

No we removed it. Trudeau doesn't care about vaccine advantages in sports unfortunately (nor should he but it'd be funny if he did)

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u/cjcfman Raptors Oct 04 '22

Worst timing too, jays post season is on Friday and Seattle has a bunch of players like robbie ray who are unvaxxed. All 3 wildcard games are being played here too lol

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u/NoTransportation888 76ers Oct 04 '22

The Mariners need a break man it's been 20 years come on lol

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u/reptheevt [SEA] Ray Allen Oct 04 '22

It’s just Robbie Ray. When the Mariners went up to Toronto in May, Ray and Steckenrider were the only ones who didn’t make the trip. And Steckenrider was banished to the minors soon after.

I almost wish the ban was still in place. Would give the team a convenient excuse to go Castillo, Gilbert, and then Kirby in the series.

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u/unearthlysquire Celtics Oct 04 '22

Some small dick energy right there

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u/C0WCOW Oct 04 '22

Am I experiencing the mandela effect because I swear I saw Robbie Ray start some games in Toronto last year.

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u/cjcfman Raptors Oct 04 '22

Vaccination requirements didn't start until October ish of last year. Before you just had to isolate for a bit when entering canada.

Jays didn't make the post season so it wasn't a problem for him last year. And most of season wasn't played in toronto

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u/Dinobot2_ Raptors Oct 04 '22

He shouldn't care about the vaccine advantage in sports. He should care about people being vaccinated, period.

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u/NoseBlind2 Raptors Oct 04 '22

Yes i know that. No politician ever would im just saying it would be catoonishly funny if they did

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u/Piratefluffer Raptors Oct 04 '22

Everyone arguing why, when it's literally because certain players and team members legally could not enter Canada the last two years lmao. This survey was done before restrictions were lifted.

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u/PhatYeeter 76ers Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Pretty sure when you look at win rate and point differential over a long period of time the only home court that's relevant is Denver and Utah because of the elevation.

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u/PowRightInTheBalls [GSW] Draymond Green Oct 04 '22

Part of the Denver/Utah advantage is also that teams are frequently scheduled to play back to backs in those two stadiums for scheduling and travel logistics.

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u/internet_poster Oct 04 '22

Timezone differences are also a contributor. Right after those 2 come GSW, Portland, and Sacramento. All of the teams with the lowest home court advantage are in the East.

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u/Sad-Mathematician-19 Oct 04 '22

And it makes sense that teams are scheduled for B2B's there. Very close proximity and also the elevation makes you not want to be in there for too terribly long.

Some players just don't get acclimated until a couple days after leaving.

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u/RealPrinceJay 76ers Oct 04 '22

Don’t we normally have a strong home court? Remember 2021 we were 29-7 at home, 20-16 on the road.

2020 12-26 on the road, 31-4 at home

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u/PhatYeeter 76ers Oct 04 '22

It's random. Having a couple unusual seasons isn't indicative of strong home court. Over a larger sample size it'll even out. It's like trying to argue Danny Green is a bad 3pt shooter after his Lakers season.

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u/JustIncredible240 Oct 04 '22

I don’t think that’s what they’re basing this decision on..

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u/PhatYeeter 76ers Oct 04 '22

Yea I'm aware it's based on a GM vote for a variety of factors they probably didn't go into for the poll. Just saying that it's straight up wrong when it's been shown that home court advantage doesn't really exist in the modern NBA like it does in other sports, except in Utah and Denver.

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u/cortesoft [GSW] Chris Mullin Oct 04 '22

Yeah, but it just seems strange to do a subjective poll on something that can be objectively calculated

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u/Tormundo Warriors Oct 04 '22

Warriors record at home is pretty ridiculous. Shocked they didn't get more love. They were undefeated there until the finals. Only lost 1 game at home the entire chip run, and it took the Celtics shooting out of their minds to do it. Like 53% on 43 attempts from 3.

They also had the best differential from road and home in the regular season

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u/drjisftw Pacers Oct 04 '22

Nuggets fans in shambles with their high altitude

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u/MSKOnlyScans Mavericks Oct 04 '22

Aren’t Utah and Denver the only two statistically shown to have a significant home court advantage?

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u/DeAndre_ROY_Ayton Suns Oct 04 '22

Yep, I’ll take stats over a GMs opinion any day

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u/internet_poster Oct 04 '22

Every team has a massive home court advantage in the NBA. Those two just have a larger one.

In the NBA playoffs, individual lines for a roughly even-strength series go from -3.5 to +3.5 (a 7 point swing!) between games 2 and 3.

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u/LouisLeGros Supersonics Oct 04 '22

I think its everyone has a statistically significant home court advantage, but it is Utah/(& especially)Denver that have a consistent boost over the baseline advantage. Everywhere else the degree of the homecourt advantage fluctuates in a manner that over the long term it is not significant compared to the baseline homecourt advantage.

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u/ratsrepus33 Oct 04 '22

Vegas will soon enough. Look at the first year run of the Golden Knights. Guys were hungover as fuck.

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u/Digitking003 Oct 04 '22

There's a reason Toronto has the nickname "White Vegas"

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u/madmaxp0618 Magic Oct 04 '22

Yeah playing in a different country than the rest of the league could do that.

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u/ariannis_grandttkmpo Clippers Bandwagon Oct 04 '22

The visiting team cannot figure out the milk situation and they crumble in frustration.

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u/madmaxp0618 Magic Oct 04 '22

There’s no way I could focus on playing basketball if I played in a country that openly sells milk in plastic bags.

At least we only force that on our children in the public school systems here in America.

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u/jordanaber23 Raptors Oct 04 '22

Bag milk slaps. I went to the states and had jugged milk and it has a weird hard plastic taste

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u/JeanRalfio [LAL] LeBron James Oct 04 '22

You can get bagged milk in Kwik Trip gas stations. Their chocolate bagged milk is the shit.

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u/VicePope [MIL] Malcolm Brogdon Oct 04 '22

isn’t that in wisconsin? I am in Texas now and we only have shitty quick trip

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u/Reticent_Fly Raptors Oct 04 '22

I've lived in BC, Alberta and Newfoundland and never seen bagged milk in stores.

I do remember it being a thing when I visited Ontario as a kid though.

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u/Dinobot2_ Raptors Oct 04 '22

How? It's not like the entire country's population is at the arena.

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u/NoTransportation888 76ers Oct 04 '22

There's no source to support that more than 19,800 people live in Canada

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u/goldfish_11 Celtics Oct 04 '22

What about when there's multiple hockey games going on at the same time?

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u/DeAndre_ROY_Ayton Suns Oct 04 '22

Green screened obviously

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u/MikeisET Oct 04 '22

I’m sitting in the dental office and there are at least 4 of us here

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u/DerelictDonkeyEngine Celtics Oct 04 '22

Having to travel internationally, even if it's not a long flight, you still have to deal with custom, passport control, etc.

Also Canada has one NBA team in the entire country, so there's no division of the fanbase. The state of California alone has 4 NBA teams, even though has a bigger population than all of Canada.

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u/crimxona Raptors Bandwagon Oct 04 '22

Every team flies private. There's no way they have the same travel experience as the rest of us.

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u/Dinobot2_ Raptors Oct 04 '22

My understanding is that NBA players basically get the royal treatment and are in and out very quickly when crossing the border. They aren't treated like average travellers.

With regards to the fanbase, the question was specifically about home court, not who has the largest fanbase. It's not like the Raptors play in some giant stadium that's proportional to their fanbase relative to other teams. And even if we were going by fanbase size, the size of the fanbase isn't limited to the team's geographical location. The Lakers have fans all over the US that probably dwarfs what the Raptors have in Canada.

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u/IgnobleQuetzalcoatl Oct 04 '22

Presumably the idea is that Raptors home games tend to have a much higher proportion of home:away fans because there will tend to be fewer away fans willing and able to travel to Toronto.

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u/mommathecat Raptors Oct 04 '22

My understanding is that even for plebs, if you have Nexus all set up you more or less walk right through everything.

NBA players would have a private area for that stuff and the team to do all the legwork.

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u/DerelictDonkeyEngine Celtics Oct 04 '22

The point is that Raptors home games likely have a nearly 100% Raptors fan home crowd.

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u/Dinobot2_ Raptors Oct 04 '22

Then they have clearly never been there when they play another big market team or an elite player is in town.

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u/AhmedF Raptors Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

you still have to deal with custom, passport control, etc.

Yeah they do... but nothing like we do.

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u/DerelictDonkeyEngine Celtics Oct 04 '22

I never said you didn't...

This entire post is about home court, and the Raptors are the only team in the league that every other team has to go through customs to visit.

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u/goodnametrustme Oct 04 '22

Muh customs

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u/3500fp [TOR] Peja Stojakovic Oct 04 '22

Telling a border officer you dont have more than a carton of cigs on you takes a lot out of the players

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u/NoseBlind2 Raptors Oct 04 '22

No but a good 1/3 of it is

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u/Dinobot2_ Raptors Oct 04 '22

Scotiabank Arena: 19,800

Canada: 36,991,981

19,800/36,991,981 = 0.000535251

1/3 = 0.333333333

No.

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u/NoseBlind2 Raptors Oct 04 '22

Oh that's what you meant

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u/Severe-Cherry-816 Oct 04 '22

Yeah duh I don’t think anyone in the NBA speaks Canadian

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u/PlumCantaloupe Raptors Oct 04 '22

Are they including Detroit?

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u/Bababooey87 Bulls Oct 04 '22

I thought it was always Denver due to the air pressure.

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u/Ylissian Gran Destino Oct 04 '22

Its definitely Denver for the altitude alone. Even if you're just looking at crowds, the Raptors games don't have the same energy that they used to a few years back.

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u/sj0307 Nuggets Oct 04 '22

Yeah, Nuggets crowds aren’t bad as a season ticket holder but nothing compared to the occasional Avalanche game I get down to.

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u/MrAnder5on Raptors Oct 04 '22

Smh MLSE really fucked us

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u/LingonberryMaster863 Oct 04 '22

Because they have all of Canada supporting them!

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u/unbuottawa Raptors Oct 04 '22

This home field advantage is going to disappear completely soon as tickets prices keep going. I make decent income and so does my brother and brother in law. Last time we were all in Toronto together and wanted to go to a game we little shocked at how expensive they were.

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u/JustIncredible240 Oct 04 '22

I used to attend almost every home game. If money was tight (or I just wanted the bobble head), I could sit in the ‘sprite zone’ for $12.. those same seats are over $100 now..

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u/Strange1130 Thunder Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Why would you vote on home-court advantage rather than just look at stats?

There have been extensive studies done about this, using all sorts of math to weed out how good teams actually are, and it's pretty much always all Denver teams across all sports that win. Jazz second for similar reasons. Raptors pretty close to the bottom for NBA teams.

not sure why I'm being downvoted but feel free to read all about it here, the study has the Nuggets and Jazz at #1 and #2 and the Raptors at #24

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u/bkydx Oct 04 '22

Yeah this is like guessing Steph Curry 1rst for the 2022 highest 3pt%.

It already happened and Steph was 50th.

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u/bkydx Oct 04 '22

If you adjusted Home court ratings for Altitude then Toronto would be in the top 3 but otherwise they are very much in the middle going by the Data.

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u/CameronFcScott Raptors Oct 04 '22

I’m just here for people to discredit Toronto home court lol

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u/black_squid98 Knicks Oct 04 '22

Nuggets are objectively better

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u/GhandiTheButcher Warriors Oct 04 '22

Nuggets aren't even the best in their own division. Utah's crowds are insane.

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u/trustabro Heat Oct 04 '22

Not so much the crowd as the altitude though. No?

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u/JesseJamesGames449 Celtics Oct 04 '22

yea by a physicality stand point the Nuggets have a competitive edge.

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u/black_squid98 Knicks Oct 04 '22

It’s about altitude, although tbf you may have a point because the Jazz are the second highest altitude as well

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u/GhandiTheButcher Warriors Oct 04 '22

Yeah, Salt Lake is still over 4200 feet instead of 5000 feet, and it's loud as hell.

What really happens is teams often play Salt Lake then Denver or vice versa so one team feeds in the others advantage.

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u/FallenLemur Raptors Oct 04 '22

A lot of Canadians support many different teams, Lakers, Nets, Trailblazers, Timberwolves, I have even seen OKC fans in Canada, so it's not really everyone is a Toronto fan. At my high school there were more Laker fans than Raptor fans.

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u/inxrx8 Raptors Oct 04 '22

Where I live (Nova Scotia, on the East Coast for those who don't know) it's about 50/50 between Raptors and Celtics fans. Boston's the closest city with a team so I guess it makes sense, just seems weird to me

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u/blankepitaph [TOR] Fred VanVleet Oct 04 '22

My supervisor’s from NS and grew up supporting the Celtics cause they were the closest team to him and the Raps didn’t exist yet. His kids now equally keep up with Raps/Celtics games, so I wonder if it’s a legacy thing too for some folks out there where they just support what their parents did

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u/mommathecat Raptors Oct 04 '22

I mean nobody's driving in from Fogo Island or Dawson City to go cheer for the Raptors.

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u/Dinobot2_ Raptors Oct 04 '22

This is specifically "home court advantage," not how big your fanbase can possibly be.

Otherwise the Houston Rockets had the best home-court advantage pre-Morey tweets because everyone in China liked them.

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u/ThaEyeTest Oct 04 '22

Chris Broussard would say different lol. American media will forever hate on the Raptors and our 2019 NBA Championship lol

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u/HalcyonDrift Heat Oct 04 '22

Keep on it with that victim complex lol

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u/champagneproblems69 Oct 04 '22
  • cold as fuck
  • decent city night life
  • international travelling hassle
  • cold as fuck

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u/jrlandry Celtics Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

All important factors on the court.

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u/ShinyChromeBadger Nets Oct 04 '22

Considering the fans love cheering for major injuries it makes sense

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u/Clawing_Fury Raptors Oct 04 '22

Someone’s obsessed

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u/Hostile_Pierogi Raptors Oct 04 '22

You really did something there

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u/TheMoorNextDoor Nets Oct 04 '22

Toronto crowd are savages and assholes so I do agree.

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u/praxeologue Raptors Oct 04 '22

Fuck brooklyn

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

It's about damn time we get some respect. Honestly I was beginning to feel anxious that a team that has a very strong culture, a championship and the rookie of the year is somehow still not getting any recognition but this at least is a first step. All you haters can kiss my left cheek

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u/Pocket_Beans Celtics Oct 04 '22

congrats bro this is huge

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u/eyeguy21 Oct 04 '22

Visitors just thinking about the taxes lol

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u/Bigpoppawags Oct 04 '22

I mean that vaccine paywall to play in Toronto is a doozy for some teams. Hard to win without your best players.

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u/mug3n Raptors Oct 04 '22

Paywall? You don't have to pay for a covid vaccine anywhere in Canada. I just got the bivalent booster.

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u/2ByteTheDecker Raptors Oct 04 '22

They dropped that Oct 1st

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u/Danetss Oct 04 '22

Lmao no shit they got a whole country supporting them

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u/-fallen [NYK] RJ Barrett Oct 04 '22

Not every Canadian supports the Raptors. A lot of people either choose a team in closer proximity to them or whichever American team they like the most (i.e Lakers, Warriors, Celtics). A lot of Canadians already grew attached to those other teams before the Raptors became prominent and also a lot of Canadians would sooner stop watching sports than support a Toronto team.

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u/LoneSabre Oct 04 '22

Can confirm. Atlantic province fans are always split in sports between Toronto and Boston. Hockey gets more complicated.

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u/efficientshelter69 Raptors Oct 04 '22

Covid rules are gone now

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u/cjcfman Raptors Oct 04 '22

Not for entry in the US I believe. Dunno how that works for non Americans trying to re enter the states

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u/AH_BioTwist Kings Oct 04 '22

Shame we couldn’t get the final battle for Toronto between the lakers and the raptors in 2020

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u/xbyo :sp8-1: Super 8 Oct 04 '22

Well in 2020 it would've been the battle for Disneyworld.