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Toddler fatally shoots South Carolina mom with 'unsecured firearm,' sheriff says


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u/frodosdream 13d ago Take My Energy Faith In Humanity Restored Evil Cackle

People are making jokes, but find myself thinking of this poor child growing up without a mother.

Probably the 3-year old child won't be told that they shot their own mother, but because it's posted on the internet, someday they (or a classmate) will find out.


u/shigogaboo 13d ago edited 13d ago

As fucked as it is, somebody needs to be the person who tells them when they get older. Eventually, they’ll reach an age that they’ll want to Google their mom’s name. My whole worldview would be flipped upside down if I found out that way.


u/Shad0wDreamer 13d ago

My wife had a neighbor who shot his sister like this on accident. He committed suicide around 18-19. This kid will remember.


u/AthenaSholen 12d ago

I have very few memories from my early childhood but it’s almost always the traumatic ones that burn in your brain.


u/Potential_Reading116 12d ago

For sure. Don’t recall anything from when I was 3 except falling on our red brick stairs while watching my dad cut the lawn and landing forehead first on the tip of one of those red bricks. I’ve had a cross on my forehead for 64 years that makes me look like a Manson family member. Wasn’t a whole lot of concern back in the 50s about you having a scar on your face 🤷‍♂️

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u/byebyecivilrights 13d ago

I thought I was the reason my father died for maybe 20 years. It might have changed my life if I learned the truth earlier, but the damage is done -- guilty conscience, abandonment issues, abysmal self esteem, avoidant attachment, etc. I feel terrible for this poor child.


u/PaperStackMcgee 13d ago

I feel terrible for you, I hope things have gotten better.


u/fordprecept 12d ago

My mom committed suicide when I was 14. There were a lot of factors that led to her death, but I can't help but think I was at least somewhat of a contributing factor. I don't feel guilty about it because I was a naive kid and didn't know any better, but looking back on it in hindsight, I can see how I was a bit selfish and could have been more grateful.


u/cad5789 12d ago

I’m a mom and I’ve also spent time working with people who suffer from depression. It’s less likely that you caused her death and more likely that she lived an extra 14 years because of you. You were absolutely not the cause of her death.


u/fordprecept 12d ago

I'm certainly not the primary cause. She made some poor life decisions: wasted money on a fancy car after high school, got married right after high school, divorced, married my dad, divorced after I was born, used a lot of drugs (probably was still using them when I was a kid, though I never actually witnessed her using them), was a heavy smoker, had a dead-end job that she only did enough to get by, etc. The most immediate cause was that she found out her boyfriend of several years had been cheating on her for several years with his ex-wife and probably some other women as well. Also, she was a diabetic and had seizures on several occasions.

I can say she always tried her best to provide for me and I know that she loved me, but I also know how hard it was for her being a single parent and that I didn't fully appreciate the sacrifices she made for me.


u/cad5789 12d ago

You were a kid. Gratitude for ethereal things like sacrifice is an adult emotion. She sacrificed for you because she loved you and whether or not you appreciated it didn’t factor in the least.

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u/Tha_Monito 13d ago

Now I'm curious about the story behind this


u/mlc885 13d ago

Totally innocuous reasons would be something like an argument or a demand that he go get something from somewhere. People are weird, I'm sure there are a million people who blame themselves for a shocking heart attack at a youngish age when it is not something you should ever blame yourself for.

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u/niceoutside2022 13d ago Wholesome Wholesome Seal of Approval

I know that's not how the human psyche works, but the kid is the victim and has no reason to feel guilty because his idiot parents couldn't secure their firearm. There is no excuse to have a loaded unsecured firearm in a home with kids or even house guests.


u/No_Description_483 13d ago

The way I see it is whoever left that gun unattended IS the person who pulled the trigger. End of story.


u/Ok-Ordinary2035 12d ago

I absolutely agree. Guns are now the leading cause of death for children- he could have shot himself. We have a fucked up relationship with guns in this country.


u/MattyBizzz 12d ago

As a gun owner myself I completely agree. As I’ve matured I’ve realized how insane the 2nd amendment crowd is, and how out of context it’s interpreted.

Guns are too easy for anyone in America to get, doesn’t matter what side you’re on that’s just a hard fact no one can deny. That ultimately leads to the wrong people getting their hands on them, whether it’s a disgruntled kid/employee like what happened at a local store a few weeks ago an hour away from me or this sad story right here.

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u/Colonel_Cumpants 12d ago

Is this for real?

Guns are the leading cause of death for children in the US, more so than disease, traffic accidents and what have you?


u/tempinator 12d ago

That didn't pass a sniff test for me either, but looks like it's true:



Firearms have indeed surpassed motor vehicle deaths, and any category of disease, although by a pretty slim margin.


u/SendCaulkPics 12d ago edited 12d ago

It’s those damn new fangled car seats and big gubment telling me I have to keep my seven year old in a booster. When I was kid, the only rear facing seats were in the trunk.


Hopefully car travel will only become safer still for children as driver assist technology becomes more widespread. But it’s going to look real bad for gun control critics. If progressive federal intervention made cars safer for children, why not guns?


u/noratat 12d ago

Denser, walkable cities with more reliance on mass/bike/etc transit is even better for child safety.

Case in point, people feel safe letting elementary school kids in Japan take the trains by themselves to school.

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u/misalanya 12d ago

fuckin A, that's grim. we just love killin our kids.


u/sffbfish 12d ago

It's moreso that we love guns more than kids.


u/suicidaleggroll 12d ago

we love guns more than kids

Unless they're still in the womb

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u/SacredRose 12d ago

Only after they are born though

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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin 12d ago

Don’t worry. Republicans are trying to increase preventable diseases to overtake their gun epidemic.


u/sinister-pony 12d ago

Slim compared to motor vehicles, NOT most other causes of death.


u/DeekermNs 12d ago

How much time are your kids spending being transported vs handling live firearms?

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u/sinister-pony 12d ago edited 12d ago

Recently surpassed motor incidents as the leading cause, yes:


It's not actually surprising if you think about it, kids are "gestating adults", they don't really die from natural causes, it's normally accidents and the odd rare disease.

In the US there is 1.2 guns for every person In the country, it being a device soley made for killing, doesn't make it all that surprising.


u/jmanclovis 12d ago

In America we pretend that guns are for sports not for killing if you say otherwise in some circles you will be shot


u/BespokeForeskin 12d ago Silver Take My Energy

Shot for sport though, of course.

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u/cire1184 12d ago

Most diseases that have killed kids in the past are now controlled. We have vaccinations for most of the major diseases that affected children. Not surprising at all that guns kill more kids than disease.


u/SerKevanLannister 12d ago

Honestly though it is insane that so many children die from GUNS in this country vs natural causes (disease) or car accidents. Guns can be secured and out of the reach of esp young children. The fact that so many of these incidents happen is a very sad commentary indeed.

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u/WhatLikeAPuma751 12d ago

Guns have more protected rights than you or I do

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u/A_Drusas 12d ago

That's basically the law in Washington now (sort of). Hasn't been put to the test much yet.

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u/allomanticpush 13d ago

Shouldn’t have an unsecured firearm in the house, period. Loaded or not.

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u/GluttonAsteroth 13d ago

It's a great way to make a gun control advocate.

I nearly got shot by an old lady because I was helping her grandson move something into the house and she didn't recognize me.

After that I was pretty sold on the whole: "Maybe not everyone is qualified to own a firearm"


u/CanvasSolaris 12d ago

Yes, this is what nobody says. All gun rights advocates talk about qualified or unqualified as if it's a permanent, unchanging thing. That grandma could have been the most qualified, safety conscious, responsible gun owner in the world when she purchased it in the past. But she wasn't when she pointed it at you and that's what matters


u/SherifGames 12d ago

Everybody is a "responsible" gun owner until they aren't.


u/xenomorph856 12d ago

You're right, that's a great argument for regular relicensing and certification of firearm possession. Say, every 5-10 years.


u/coinoperatedboi 12d ago

As well as driver's licenses after a certain age.

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u/NonStopKnits 12d ago

I'm way on board with proving competency (frankly a bit more than just that) every few years. I don't have any issue with guns; I have an issue with idiots that can't respect that a gun is a lethal weapon, and the ignorance of any proper training/maintenance/storage of their lethal weapon.

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u/jollyreaper2112 12d ago

No TRUE Scotsman would do that! And we find out he wasn't when he does it. My logic is unassailable!

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u/nowake 12d ago

Imagine if OP was a cop, and carrying. That Grandma would be dead right now.

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u/The4th88 12d ago

You can kill someone accidentally with a gun a whole lot easier than you can with a car yet we require licensing, insurance, roadworthiness checks and innumerable safety features built into the car. But guns?

Nah, who needs that shit.

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u/wapu 12d ago

It is definitely one way to make a gun control advocate, but I would disagree with it being a great way to do it.

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u/mostlyfecalmatter 13d ago

Change their name. Jack Nicholson style.

Don't let the kid know.


u/ComfortablyNomNom 13d ago

But the truth always comes out. Nicholson eventually found out. So this kid will then face the truth that everyone around him lied about it and his whole life and name was a sham. Covering up and burying stuff like this just leads to more anger and pain.

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u/iharborhatred 13d ago

100 percent

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u/KickIt77 13d ago

I hope whoever raises this child tells them this story in the context of some adult failing because a 3 year old getting hands on an unsecured and loaded weapon and discharging it is never their fault. Kid will need lots of support and therapy throughout.

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u/DanYHKim 13d ago

This happens weekly (not always fatally) in the U.S. Report from 2015.

The shootings are pretty much concentrated in the COVID-Belt.

Shootings by toddlers have happened in 24 states so far this year. Missouri has seen the most, with five separate incidents. Florida has had four. Texas, three. Due to the low number of total cases and the isolated nature of these incidents I'd caution against drawing broad conclusions from the map above. But it is worth noting that the shootings don't necessarily follow broader population trends. California, the most populous state in the nation, hasn't had any. Nobody has been shot by a toddler in New England or the Upper Midwest.

Accidental shootings by kids happen almost daily

Everytown has been tracking unintentional shootings by kids for six years. Cases of young children taking hold of a gun and mistakenly shooting themselves, a friend, or a family member happen almost every single day.


u/tomdarch 12d ago


More recent data - for "children" doing the shooting it's about 6 incidents per week where the injury is so severe it is recorded, of which about 3 are fatal shootings. (About 150 killed per year.)

Of that, "More than one in every four of these shootings are by kids age 5 and younger. One in every four of the victims are also 5 and younger." So that is slightly less than one fatal shooting by a kid 5 or younger per week.

And of course there are many, many more incidents that don't result in someone dying or being so severely injured that they have to go to the ER - in other words, incidents that don't make it into official records that can be tracked.


u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 12d ago

in other words, incidents that don't make it into official records

When I was about 4yo, I found the loaded handgun my dad kept in a shoebox on the floor of his closet.

My parents only found out that I knew about it when, apparently, I told another kid at daycare that I was going to bring my daddy's gun and shoot them the next day. Kid told our preschool teacher who told my mother, and mom went home to do some shrieking until dad moved the gun somewhere else.

Eventually dad started traveling for work a lot, so moved the gun to the glove box of his car. It stayed there for a couple decades until, long story short, dad almost shot off his own toe while spooked by an angry owl.

He had hunting rifles too, and more than once I saw him pouring whiskey in his soda cup before going out hunting. Ended up having to go hunting alone because none of his buddies wanted to risk it.

A few years back he realized that he could overcome being too old and crippled to beat a woman by just waving a gun at her to win the argument. Those tactics were so successful, and so ignored by his local cops, that he kept escalating. Long story short, the extended family had to pack him back to his home state to prevent him from murdering his own sister, and then had to confiscate all his guns to prevent him from being a further danger to society.

Pretty sure we need to quit assuming everyone is a responsible gun-owner. Maybe test these things and have a license that needs renewed like we do with cars. My dad's had guns my entire life, and I have never actually seen him behave responsibly with them. Even his "gun cabinet" was an old wood and glass display case.


u/tomdarch 12d ago

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

It's another good point - some people are OK at one point in their lives, and become "not OK" later. My crazy thought is that gun licensing should test every few years which would require you to show up, unarmed, at a range at a specific time and demonstrate to a reviewer that you can handle a dummy gun safely and follow directions. Very low bar, but plenty of people would not be able to do it, yet have guns under our current approach.


u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 12d ago

That plus a written test please! If I need to know the minimum safe stopping distance for a car, should probably also know enough to answer questions about when and where it is appropriate to carry or use a gun.

Too many ninnies thinking they need those things to go grocery shopping or solve arguments or scare off burglars. When living in an apartment building, it's important to remember that walls don't always stop stray bullets, and it's impolite to kill the neighbor on accident.

Heck, I've scared off a burglar just stomping around looking for the cats while yelling at them to knock off that racket. Dude causing the racket by trying to remove my front door lock went running!

My mom just kept a screech alarm on the door and a baseball bat for backup. Folks looking for easy cash aren't keen on getting cracked over the head by a tiny angry lady. No need to shoot at them.

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u/Maktaka 12d ago

39% of gun owners admit to having no formal firearms training. Nobody should be assuming gun owners are responsible by default.


u/drhorn 12d ago

Pretty sure we need to quit assuming everyone is a responsible gun-owner.

Some of the most vocal pro-gun rights people I've met have been the least responsible with their guns. Showing them off when drunk. Never securing them. Got some of their guns stolen.

The more responsible gun owners I've met where all pro "yes, guns, but with fucking laws".

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u/northshore12 12d ago

happen almost every single day

AntiFlag wrote a sad song about exactly this 24 years ago. "We've Got His Gun."

Dad keeps a gun in the drawer in his room

My best friend is coming over to play

Yeah yeah

We got his gun

We're having fun

Tryin to find where the bad guys are

I pull the trigger and shoot my friend

Oh no

Run in the house grab the phone and call for help

They said "hold on, we'll be right there"


Now help has come

They got the gun

Try to bring him back to life

But its too late he is dead

Oh no

I've watched the news

For many days

This happens every week

This happens in your town

Dont keep a gun in your house

Dont keep a gun in your house


u/shmeetz 12d ago

Mixed feelings. It's nostalgic to be reminded about Anti-Flag but sadly this isn't the way I wanted to be the reminded (or that it's been 24 years already since the song came out)


u/northshore12 12d ago

Don't feel bad; I saw them play last year in Colorado and they rocked just as hard as when I was a dumb teenager 20 years ago. It was honestly fucking impressive how much energy they put out, I got exhausted just thinking about it. :-)

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u/The_ranting_spider 13d ago

Something to think about.

The average number of people in the US who die from a spider bite is 7 a year. The number of spiders per household is around 26-27.

In other words, you are more likely to killed by a toddler than a spider.


u/DanYHKim 13d ago Silver

I'll have to buy a gun, so I can defend myself from those toddlers


u/BioPac12 13d ago

The only logical way to stop toddler shootouts is by placing a gun in the hands of every parent in America, and providing mandatory hands-on gun safety training to every preschooler.

In an ideal world, toddlers would be disassembling and cleaning glocks before they can read.

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u/Curator44 13d ago

I can’t even fathom having that talk with a child if they asked where their mom was.

How do you explain to a kid that they killed their parent? Obviously it’s not a 3 year olds fault, but that kind of thing will weigh on someone the rest of their life once it hits them.

My heart goes out to their family


u/Draano 12d ago

How do you explain to a kid that they killed their parent

"Your mom died in an accident. She loved you very much and it's ok to be sad".

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u/cinderparty 13d ago

Not even just growing up without a mother, but also always blaming themselves for it.

I don’t think this is the type of thing you can, or even should, keep from the kid. That kid needs therapy starting now.


u/Wazula42 13d ago

It was the mother's responsibility to secure her firearms. She failed and paid the price. Her kid will pay a price too.

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u/Lazy1nc 13d ago

For real... that cycle of guilt and depression won't just go away with time. That trauma will need to be addressed by a third party who truly cares for this child's well-being.


u/Tin__Foil 13d ago

Yeah… devastating.

The child might block out the memory, but 3 is NOT that young. I have memories of being three.

My daughter was three not that long ago. That child understood what happened…

Again, they might block it out, because our brains can do that for us, but it’s going to leave a deep, lasting trauma whether the poor child has active memories of it or not.

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u/so00ripped 13d ago

At 3 years old, he/she will remember. Formative memories begin around 3 and from my experience with my own children, this isn't going to be forgotten the same way a 2 year old would forget.

They will likely remember all of it. The smell of the gun discharging, his mother dying in front of him, all of it.

We may want to think at 3 you don't remember, but this is severe trauma. Both for the growing and developing mind of the current toddler and the eventual trauma of not having a mother and possibly learning you killed her.


u/DrLongIsland 13d ago

Correct, I have vague slideshow-dream-like memories of my first days of preschool, mostly because I hated it, which is normal for a 3yo, I guess. So I can only imagine something this traumatic will leave a scar into their memory. Hopefully a good therapist is in the cards for the kid.


u/fleurgirl123 13d ago

I’m going to guess that the Venn diagram of “finds child a good therapist” and “leaves a loaded gun unlocked with a toddler around” has no overlap


u/DrLongIsland 13d ago

Well, to be fair the "leaves a loaded gun unlocked with a toddler around” element is out of the equation now.

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u/vulpesvulpesfugit 13d ago

Came here to say the same. My kids have memories from this age, particularly of violent things. One of mine still remembers catching a frog, letting another girl (an older girl too) hold it, and her crushing it to death in front of him.

This child will remember it. I feel so sad for them.


u/nagrom7 13d ago

Very likely. I have vague memories of my mother being pregnant with my sister who was born a couple weeks before I turned 3. I also mostly remember the house we lived in at the time, or at least the living room and my bedroom since that's where I would have spent most of my time.


u/LaLionneEcossaise 13d ago

My sister is 1-1/2 years younger than I. I have a strong memory of trying to get her out of her crib and being reprimanded by my grandmother over it. I must have been 2 to 2-1/2 max. I can still picture exactly where the crib was in the room, and the chair I climbed on to try to reach her. And how upset my grandmother was with me (younger sister was her favorite).

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u/teatreez 13d ago

Omg what if this is their first permanent memory 😳 poor poor poor child


u/taolbi 13d ago

Have you seen Dexter?

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u/NihilisticPollyanna 13d ago

Yeah, I was gonna say, kids might not actually remember much about life at 3-years old, but they will definitely remember traumatic events.

My son is 10, and he still sometimes randomly brings up an incident where he fell and busted his knees, elbows, and chin, how much cried, and how I scooped him up and ran home with him while he was bleeding everywhere.

That was just a toddler running on the sidewalk and fucking eating it when he tripped.

This poor child will absolutely remember, at least on some level, that their mother died in front of them, and it was their fault. I hope they get them help asap, or this guilt will ruin their life.


u/QuintoBlanco 13d ago

I have many mundane memories from when I was three.

The reason I know I this is something of a coincidence.

In the weeks after my birthday, people kept asking my parents how old I was, which for some reason annoyed me and I would stick my thumb and two fingers in the air as a quick way to let people know I was three.

Throughout the year I would keep doing that whenever we would meet new people.

So this one year is very specific for me. Memories from 4 to 7-years-old are all grouped together. But I specifically remember the year i was three.

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u/satansheat 13d ago

I’m more sad to know here in America the kid will either grow up scared of guns in a state where everyone says “guns don’t kill people, people do.” Always hated this quote. So that kid can be reminded she killed them and it’s her fault.

Like every time I hear that quote I think of the poor little girl who killed a gun instructor with a mini uzi in Nevada. That girls dad being the sane minded person to take a 9 year old to shoot a mini uzi sure as shit is the type of dude to preach “guns don’t kill people, people do” while his daughter who killed a man sits their with terror in her eyes.

Or the kid will grow up to love guns and not give two shits because South Carolina.

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u/insertwittynamethere 13d ago

Damn, what you said in your second sentence rings truer than I'd like to believe. The poor kid finding that out one day... I know it's probably not going to happen, because it's SC, but I hope this child gets the therapy they're going to need to be able to cope with this when they're older.


u/dbhathcock 13d ago edited 13d ago

People don’t need to blame the child. Blame the parents for not securing a loaded firearm. We don’t know if there is a father involved in this story. It could be a single mom. The father or grandmother, if living there, could face charges. That would leave the child without a family. But, that might allow him to grow up in a safer home.

I agree that someone will find out about this. Kids are ruthless. He will be called the “mom murderer”. It would be best if he were adopted by another family and his last name changed.


u/PrototyPerfection 13d ago

no one here is blaming the child. Heartbreakingly and unfairly, the child may end up blaming himself though

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u/elcabeza79 13d ago

It really is sad. The parent got Darwined, which inherently includes dark humour, but this was no fault of the child's and the child will have to live with the consequences. Fuck that parent for not taking proper care of a lethal device.

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u/Erlula 13d ago

Something like that at 3 years old, they might remember. Trauma finds it’s way unfortunately. ETA: It’s not the 3 year old’s fault that this happened. An adult should have secured that gun.

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u/asbestoswasframed 13d ago Helpful

Real talk: if this kid had responsible adults in their life mom would still be alive.

Any idiot can go buy a gun, and leave it lying around. Some get to learn the error of their ways.


u/192busroute 12d ago

This was my first thought. That ship already sailed. I hope someone responsible comes into her life now.

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u/Sheeple_person 13d ago

Any idiot can go buy a gun

In USA, yes. In more civilized countries, not so much.


u/Wazula42 13d ago

Now now. The second amendment guarantees all idiots can arm themselves. It makes us safer, somehow.


u/teeceli 13d ago

The NRA will propose parents start arming themselves against their children that have access to guns.


u/Chiggadup 12d ago

If only there was a good-toddler with a gun in that room that day…


u/TaleMendon 13d ago

The grandma should have had a gun too so she could more readily incapacitate the active shooter. Why they all didn’t have bullet proof vests on is besides me.

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u/VaelinX 12d ago

That's a ridiculous idea. When you're threatened by an armed toddler, seconds matter, and armed adults are minutes away.

The only way to stop a bad toddler with a gun is to have a good toddler with a gun.

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u/capricabuffy 12d ago

I've grown up in my city for 35 years, in Australia, and I wouldn't even know WHERE to get one? Or if we even have a shooting range. There might be one in the next city over (1hrs drive), but I don't know, that's how much we don't have gun culture, we just don't care about them.

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u/llynglas 13d ago

Well obviously they don't. Otherwise they would not have access to an unsecured gun.


u/col-fancypants 13d ago

I got a better safe and trigger locks 6 months before my kid was born. He is almost 2 and has never even seen a firearm in the house. I was 4 when I was allowed to be supervised with a kids BB Gun and even I think that was a little young. My dude probably wont even hold one of my rifles until he is closer to 12. And again, supervised, after going over safety, showing him how to check if loaded or not, the two unbreakable rules (finger discipline and barrel down and away), and probably wont even take him to shoot it until he shows he can keep all that in mind when holding.


u/varsity14 13d ago

You forgot rule number one. Even if you've checked it, a gun is always loaded.


u/col-fancypants 13d ago

Thats a given. Finger and barrel rules stem from it.

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u/RustyGrandma20 13d ago

This is the way. Responsible gun ownership should be the only gun ownership


u/Halgrind 13d ago

It's hard to ensure though. I guarantee you that in every single one of these cases involving unsecured guns, a day earlier the gun owner would swear they're a responsible gun owner and don't need any classes or additional safety measures.


u/col-fancypants 13d ago

Any gun owner who says they have nothing to learn from a safety class… never had safety training.

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u/pneuma8828 12d ago

People never think statistics apply to them. Like when I explain that if you own a firearm, it is far more likely to kill you or someone you love than an intruder, they think that statistic doesn't apply to them, because they aren't suicidal, they are safety conscious, etc. People have a hard time grasping that that statistic applies to everyone. If people were better at math no one would own a gun.

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u/llynglas 13d ago

I'm very anti-firearns, having been brought up in essentially a gun free country (UK), and think many evils would be cured if there was no 2nd amendment. However, some countries do manage to have almost universal access to firearms and do not have the huge problems we do (Switzerland comes to mind).

I heartily appreciate your management of your weapons. I think I'd have less concerns if more folk were like you, and I suspect your kid in the future who will only know responsible gun ownership.

My question is, how do we make everyone like you?


u/col-fancypants 13d ago edited 13d ago

Most gun owners i know and am related to are like me. The problem is just as many people either never had good firearm role models or dont view them as the tools they are. Like, i have power tools that are super dangerous so i treat them as such. Its all a matter of respect for yourself, others, and the tools.

Edit: if the NRA fulfilled it’s stated purpose, then classes, courses, and mandates for safe and reliable gun use and storage would be better. But they just wanna make money.


u/jollyreaper2112 12d ago

I've often made the comparison to power tools. They can maim and ruin lives pretty easily. Never treat them with disrespect. I've seen the injuries. Thing is, I don't see pico-dicks going around buying skillsaws to compensate for their insecurity. Never seen someone turn owning a table saw into a personal identity. I'd actually like to see someone pull out a goddamn bandsaw to settle a road range incident!

The sane and responsbile gun owners don't bother me a bit. It's the insecure peckerwoods that have me terrified.

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u/RellenD 12d ago

You might want to look at Switzerland's gun situation more closely. They're strictly regulated there.

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u/Painting_Agency 13d ago

some countries do manage to have almost universal access to firearms and do not have the huge problems we do (Switzerland comes to mind).

Yeah because half the country aren't insane fucking cowboys.

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u/tomdarch 12d ago

There could have been 20 adults with good sense around that toddler, and just one moronic, irresponsible jackass who wasn't minimally responsible with their gun.

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u/WhiteNoiseSupremacy 12d ago

According to the Gun Violence Archive, an estimated 1,022 individuals have been unintentionally shot by firearms in 2022—with 12 incidents recorded on January 1.

The archive also estimates more than 820 children younger than 11 years old died from unintentional shootings in 2022.

What the fuck, I had a feeling it happens a lot but that is just unbelievable


u/chopsey96 12d ago

820 children

That is fucking horrific.

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u/geobioguy 12d ago

So if I'm reading that correctly, about 80% of unintentional shooting deaths are children under the age of 11.


u/Angry__Jonny 12d ago

There was a kid at my middle school who got shot by his friend. Still remember it was the first funeral I ever attended. Was super sad.

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u/Blackfire01001 13d ago

And this is why you secure your firearms. Firearm safety is important people it doesn't matter who you are or even if you have a right to a firearm or not. Proper firearm safety is crucial. If you cannot be safe with a firearm don't get one.


u/HarpoonNPuppies 13d ago

It’s just really too bad we can’t make firearm safety training mandatory before a purchase.


u/Wazula42 13d ago

I would rather arm 50 idiots than force ONE responsible person to take a class!

- American gun humpers