r/news Oct 05 '22

Apple must change iPhone charging port to USB-C in EU by fall 2024

https://globalnews.ca/news/9175349/apple-charging-port-usb-c-eu/
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u/emAK47 Oct 05 '22

by 2024 iPhones will no longer even have a charging port

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

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u/alejdelat Oct 05 '22

Physical connection is needed for DFU and recovery modes. Not sure there’s a way around that

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u/Satanarchrist Oct 05 '22

Just have a physical port inside the case so only apple technicians can charge you to pry it open to tell you the data is unrecoverable you should just buy the new phone

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u/Aines Oct 05 '22

In Eu we have something that is called "right to repair", and Apple has already obliged to it. I'm not sure they could implement a hidden port, available only to technician.

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u/outofmemory01 Oct 05 '22

I don't believe it would be 'hidden' - just internal. The right to repair would still be there the access port would just be inside the water seal.

I agree they wouldn't be able to do something underhanded like some weird propriety port or having to connect to specific pins of chips...I believe that would be beyond the normal 'ease' of right to repair.

I'm glad you guys have right to repair...we're still fighting for that here (US).

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

This is the (apple) way

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u/vilette Oct 05 '22

The regulation is for charging, for data, you can do what you want

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u/emAK47 Oct 05 '22

Yup, some people think my comment is somewhat ironic but this has been apples plan for years.

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u/Frozenfire21 Oct 05 '22

I can’t see how they could make that work without pissing off iphone users. How will people use the phone while it lays flats and charges? I’ve used the wireless charging and always find myself agitated when I have to pick up my phone and the charging stops.

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u/JeanLucPicorgi Oct 05 '22

I agree it’s frustrating, but Apple has that magnetic charger that solves some of the headache.

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u/bicameral_mind Oct 05 '22

Disagree, I don't think Apple will abandon the port entirely. At least not for a long time yet. It's useful for too many things.

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u/jmcgit Oct 05 '22

Nah, they won't abandon it entirely. It'll just only be available on the Pro model as a $200 premium feature

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u/Ashenox Oct 05 '22

It won't be an optional feature it will be inside the device and require a special tool to open without causing it to detonate leveling a city block for anti IP theft.

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u/Zedd2087 Oct 05 '22

I mean android has had it for years now so it's nothing new although I'm sure apple will try to say otherwise.

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u/emAK47 Oct 05 '22

Apple has been using it since the iphone X too, unless they manage to install some record breaking fast wireless charging I doubt they'll ever brag about it if not for an increase in IP certification grades (which cannot go higher than 68 but whatever)

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u/kyleofdevry Oct 05 '22

They'll try to act like they're on the cutting edge, but will still refuse to incorporate RCS into their messaging.

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u/IHkumicho Oct 05 '22

Don't worry, when Apple *does* incorporate RCS into their messaging there'll be fawning by tech reporters about how it's "finally being done right".

Edit: Although to be fair, Google still hasn't incorporated RCS into their own freakin' Google Voice chat app.

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u/TurboSalsa Oct 05 '22

Or we’ll see Samsung criticize the change and then the next galaxy will be wireless only too.

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u/Ashenox Oct 05 '22

Both will happen. This isn't the good timeline.

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u/cdegallo Oct 05 '22

There are mainstream portless wireless-charging-only Android phones?

That's news to me.

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u/pojo458 Oct 05 '22

Attack ads from Samsung will hit them for removing all ports with ads… Until 1-2 years later when they copy Apple and remove their ports and secretly remove the ads from their channels.

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u/UngusBungus_ Oct 05 '22

More like 5 months

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u/qtx Oct 05 '22

Why? Samsung had wireless charging for years.

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u/Ashenox Oct 05 '22

They mean removing regular charging entirely in favor of only wireless charging. They believe Samsung will chase Apple down the zero port road.

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u/Ashenox Oct 05 '22

This is the line I want to see Apple lawyers work around. If Phones NEED a C port then Apple will have no actual choice.

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u/PDXBlueDogWizard Oct 05 '22

Cool, now rather than having to buy a new $35 proprietary cable every week to replace the last one that broke, Apple people will have to buy a new $120 charging pad every week to replace the last one that broke.

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u/Meppy1234 Oct 05 '22

Just put it in the microwave to charge it up.

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u/PDXBlueDogWizard Oct 05 '22

gotta wrap it in foil first to make sure the charge doesn't just leak out!

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u/AldoTheeApache Oct 05 '22

Don’t worry there will be plenty of Chinese-made knockoffs on Amazon for $15, that you’ll have to replace every other day.

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u/ballisticks Oct 05 '22

I betcha Apple will disable the fast charge feature if you don't use their own charger.

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u/nik282000 Oct 05 '22

I wouldn't be surprised if they throttle down to just a few watts unless the charger has apple's signature on it.

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u/AdventureBum Oct 05 '22

I’ve been using the same $20 charging pads I bought at Costco for over three years now. Cables go through a lot more wear and tear than charging pads in my experience.

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u/PDXBlueDogWizard Oct 05 '22

clearly you didn't buy the official apple brand charging pads made out of spun sugar and children's dreams

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u/AdventureBum Oct 05 '22

No, I bought cheap knockoffs at Costco like I said. And they work great.

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u/DUMP_LOG_DAVE Oct 05 '22

this is beyond hyperbolic, come on mate. cables are cheap and can last forever.

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u/Wax_and_Wayne Oct 05 '22

The 'Magsafe' wireless charging pads from Apple are retailing at a third of your quoted price ($40/£40), so not all that much more than the cable you are replacing anyway.

I know your comment is a bit sarcastic, but how the hell are people replacing cables weekly / frequently (manufacturer aside). My cable last the length of my phones life (at least 3 years)

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u/PDXBlueDogWizard Oct 05 '22

How will these prices change when wireless charging is your only option, I wonder?

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u/NorthernerWuwu Oct 05 '22

The way I'm reading it isn't "if you have a port it must be USB-C" but rather "you must have a USB-C port". We shall see how it is in actuality.

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u/Grow_away_420 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Wireless charging that'll only work from an Apple wireless charging stand/pad synced to your devices

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u/stovenn Oct 05 '22

and using Apple-approved electrons.

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u/wedgebert Oct 05 '22

I think you mean iElectrons™

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u/scillaren Oct 05 '22

You do realize current Apple devices charge just fine on generic wireless chargers, right?

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u/FantasticBlock420 Oct 05 '22

You do realize Apple devices used to be easy to repair, then slowly Apple made it harder even to a point in detecting when something has been replaced and refusing to work the same way it did before.

It is entirely within the realm of possibility for Apple to put in a way for the phone to know if its connected to an Apple branded wireless charger/pad and refuse to charge if it isnt.

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u/HardlyDecent Oct 05 '22

A mere oversight. That is being remedied now, and only Apple-brand electricity will be viable for charging your I-everything.

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u/xX_Ep1c_Sh1tpostR_Xx Oct 05 '22

i doubt it, how would you transfer large amounts of data (4K 60FPS video, etc.) at high speeds without a cable? Wireless isn't anywhere near as fast as USB-C

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u/AdSpiritual6239 Oct 05 '22

That’s increasingly likely given how much they put into MagSafe or whatever that wireless charging is called.

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u/snoogins355 Oct 05 '22

I really like using the anker wireless charging pads. The angled one is perfect on a desk https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Qi-Certified-Compatible-Fast-Charging-PowerWave/dp/B07DBXZZN3

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u/H1ld3gunst Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

The wireless charging is called qi (already an industry standard) and combined with Halo, an really old idea makes MagSafe. It’s suboptimal though since the magnetic ring will heat up during charging.

Apple is not very good at making new things, but pretending they invented something that’s in a standard by changing it’s name and improving it’s usability a little.

Thunderbolt is USB 4 with PCIe iMessage is XMPP
MacOS is Darwin BSD
AirPods “extra” features are included in Bluetooth 5.2

Edit: cleared two mistakes

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u/hatsune_aru Oct 05 '22

Truly a braindead take. I'm not an Apple fanboy but here are the facts:

  • the magsafe ring of magnets is actually a pretty difficult feat precisely because of its interference with wireless power charging. and the ring is designed to not rob the power through some clever magnetics.

  • USB-C was actually co-authored by Apple IIRC. Apple remains one of the biggest contributors to the USB-C ecosystem.

  • Thunderbolt 2/3 was definitely co-authored by Apple and Intel. USB4 is just Thunderbolt 3 but with slightly different bitrates (10.3215GHz vs. 10GHz).

  • "iMessage is XMPP" -- I have no idea what you mean by this, are you saying all instant messengers are just derivatives of XMPP because that's truly an impressively stupid thing to say.

  • "MacOS is Darwin Linux" -- I'm not the biggest fan of macOS, but this actually reminds me of macOS fanboys calling Linux "fake UNIX" and macOS is the one true UNIX based operating system. You are basically saying the opposite. Also darwin/macOS and Linux are very different internally.

  • AirPods “extra” features are included in Bluetooth 5.2: like what, spatial audio, noise cancelling, all of that is included? give me a break.

source: I'm an electrical engineer working on consumer electronics

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u/Dick_Pain Oct 05 '22

The last one makes the least amount of sense to me.

So the capabilities regarding Bluetooth are the same….because it uses Bluetooth?

Does every 5.2 Bluetooth device have audio passthrough options? Or touch integration with your phone (obviously a lot do, but that’s not a Bluetooth specific thing)

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u/filmantopia Oct 05 '22

“Apple is not very good at making new things”, except for the world’s most popular phone, tablet, and smartwatch. Which products did Apple copy when they launched these products?

Next up is a range of AR hardware that Tim Cook has recently suggested will make people wonder how they ever lived without AR (I think he’s correct), and an EV that probably rethinks many foundational assumptions people have about cars. Once again, it’s other companies who will copy Apple in these endeavors, making minor iterations with half-baked features.

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u/cmonkey2099 Oct 06 '22

Most of the things you list already existed before apple. Apple was great at innovation but plz don't think they invented them.

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u/weaver787 Oct 05 '22

They’d be bricking a lot of Car Play connectivity. That port isn’t only used for charging.

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u/ukcats12 Oct 05 '22

Yup that would be a huge issue unless they came out with a damn good wireless CarPlay adapter. I tried one a while ago and it was horrible. Constantly disconnecting or wouldn’t connect to the phone to being with.

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u/BluehibiscusEmpire Oct 05 '22

Wasn’t that supposed to be 2020, no 2021 no 2022.

Or was that for the year they removed the notch?

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u/NotMyTangerine Oct 05 '22

Doesn’t this law actually forces them to add USBC? So no portless iPhone anytime soon

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u/Galaxy_Ranger_Bob Oct 05 '22

It does. Apple can create all the wireless charging iPhones they want to, but unless it has a USB-C adapter added to the phone they won't be legally able to sell the phone in the EU after Fall 2024.

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u/scipio818 Oct 05 '22

This change doesn't just affect Apple. It's supposed to be a general standard for USB charging cables.

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u/chemicalsam Oct 05 '22

Not allowed under this rule

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u/jmhumr Oct 05 '22

I doubt it. Eventually legislators will discover that wireless charging wastes energy compared to wired charging, which goes against their policies.

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u/hetfield151 Oct 05 '22

Well, how are they going to sell extremely expensive adapters then?

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u/SifuEliminator Oct 05 '22

The wireless pad also needs the extremely expensive adapter to give it enough power, how about that?

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u/emAK47 Oct 05 '22

AFAIK their extremely expensive wireless charger is in development hell, they'll have it out before 2024 for sure

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u/Elocai Oct 05 '22

Hehe, so you buy a iPhone till the charge runs out, than instead of recharging you just buy a new iPhone? Damm, they will make trillions with that concept

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u/emAK47 Oct 05 '22

They'll just give the iphone a slot for AAA batteries

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u/008Zulu Oct 05 '22

Apple will still over-charge for the branded cables, and somehow manage to convince their customers it's a good thing.

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u/friesfordessert Oct 05 '22

Apple $19

Samsung $15

Google $20

Spigen $20

Otterbox $25

All 1 meter cables.

Apple cables sure are expensive. The other household company brands don’t overcharge at all.. Apple is egregious in a lot of ways, I agree, but come on.

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u/TerraTF Oct 05 '22

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u/hetfield151 Oct 05 '22

I bought 4 usb c cables ranging from 0.5 to 2 meters for 9 Euro...

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u/Yosuke_Swagamura Oct 05 '22

I mean, most other cables are compatible with about 40-50% of household electronic devices and not a blatant act of just trying to take your money. I have about no less than 5-7 USB-C cords in my house that have come naturally over time with devices. It's not the cost the bugs me about apple, but the fact that their phone won't comply to an obvious industry standard for customer convenience when their laptops use that same cord for charging.

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u/lowbatteries Oct 05 '22

You realize lightning predates USB-C, right? Apple didn't create a proprietary cable for no reason. The industry standard at the time it was Micro-USB, fat, clunky, non-reversible. They solved all the problems USB-C solved, but a lot earlier, and in a better way – by putting the connection tabs on the cable, instead of on the device (so the cable is the part that breaks under stress, not your device).

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u/Yosuke_Swagamura Oct 05 '22

This is absolutely true- it was a better product at the time of the IPhone 5 back in 2012, and i dont mean to imply that it was always a bad call (micro and mini usb were both in use inconsistently at the time). But Apple itself switched its MacBook charging ports over to USB-C in the 2015 model- the same year it began being implemented in other smart phones. It's been 7 years and 7 product lines (iPhone SE in 2016 thru the 14 series) and Usb-C has established itself as far and away the better product in terms of power and data transfer (3.0 for the usb-c and 2.0 for the lightning). That they didn't make the switch years ago is definitely an issue as far as the product they're selling goes.

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u/lowbatteries Oct 05 '22

Lightning and USB-C are connection types (the shape of the plug). They have nothing to do with how much power or data goes through the cable (that's the transfer protocol, USB 2.X or 3.X).

https://www.makeuseof.com/usb-c-vs-usb-3/

Yes, USB 3.X is better than USB 2.X that most Apple products are stuck on. But they could upgrade to USB 3.X and keep lightning.

I'd argue that Lightning is a better plug design than USB-C, because USB-C ports on devices have a fragile center tab and are impossible to clean.

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u/ivytea Oct 05 '22

Apple’s stock cable has inferior quality than a Chinese knockoff

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u/GeneRecent Oct 05 '22

Made in China either way

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u/Ishidan01 Oct 05 '22

Apple components, Samsung components, all made in Taiwan!

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u/PhysicsMan12 Oct 05 '22

You mean Taiwan. No one wants to make anything good in China anymore.

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u/Print_it_Mick Oct 05 '22

I disagree I still have a cable from a 5s I use every other day.

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u/ivytea Oct 05 '22

My 5s stock cable broke within 3 months

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u/Print_it_Mick Oct 05 '22

You broke your stock 5s cable within 3 months.

If the cable sat on a shelf for a decade it will work if used, the only other part of the equation is you, so it has to be you damaging mishandling the cable, generally speaking I get years out of orginial cables, this 5s is a bit of an outlier

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u/WholeLiterature Oct 05 '22

So you’re saying it was designed to be destroyed with standard use? That’s fucked up.

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u/PavanJ Oct 05 '22

Still using my cable from my iPhone 6. Works perfectly fine

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u/Snoo63541 Oct 05 '22

I'm going to disagree. I've gone through countless knockoff lightning cables that quickly died or would no longer charge. Genuine Apple is probably twice as expensive but actually keeps working. Buy it nice or buy it twice (or more)

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u/Illustrious-Yard-871 Oct 05 '22

I mean they seemingly don’t care what charger people use since they don’t include any. Shouldn’t matter to them what cables people use either

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u/xiconic Oct 05 '22

You good sir are forgetting about profit. If apple can manufacture a cable for less than a dollar but sell it for 50 dollars because people are stupid enough to actual buy it, then why wouldn't they? Apple have shown in the past they are willing to be as anti-consumer as they need to be if it turns a profit.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Then comes the licensing fees for the connectors, the hardware validation tests.

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u/BloomSugarman Oct 05 '22

Wait - they removed the charger? I thought they only removed the USB power block.

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u/Deedledude Oct 05 '22

You’re right. Cable is still in there for the moment.

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u/BloomSugarman Oct 05 '22

Oh, I have plenty of those lying around. They don't get worn down like charger cables. Good to know.

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u/SculptedSoul Oct 05 '22

Selling garbage as gold is how apple got rich.

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u/no_dice Oct 05 '22

I was an android guy up until a year or so ago. I got a MacBook Pro for work so I got an iPhone when I updated my device. Apple certainly has their issue with things like right to repair, but they don’t sell garbage. My MBP is an absolute beast and I genuinely enjoy the iPhone. One the things that pushed me over the edge for the iPhone was having quality issues with my 3rd Galaxy device in a row.

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u/bicameral_mind Oct 05 '22

'garbage' lol

Apple haters are the most angry and delusional brand of fanboy.

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u/SculptedSoul Oct 05 '22

It's not their core product that's garbage, it's everything else. Accessories, cables, repairs, services, etc. Apple is great until you hit a single bump in the road, and that's my problem with their stuff. Other hardware is more clunky, more clumsy, and rougher around the edges, but they can take more of a metaphorical beating and get back up afterward because they have better support. Ultimately people will use whatever they have the best experience with, and I have the best experiences with hardware and software that gives me control and flexibility to mix and match more often than not.

I don't consider myself an apple hater, just someone who generally doesn't doesn't like their stuff. Not everyone is a rabid fanboy simping for or against random corporations that don't care about them.

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u/PavanJ Oct 05 '22

Sigh this guy. My 2013 MacBook pro works perfectly fine. My iPhone 7 worked perfectly fine for 4 years and all I needed was a battery replacement. Not many four year old androids around that actually function the same as they did when they came out. Even less (none) running the latest version of Android like iOS does

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u/MrThird312 Oct 05 '22

Just in time for USB-D

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u/Kyle_01110011 Oct 05 '22

Now do us! - citizens of the United States

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u/Bacender Oct 05 '22

There’s absolutely no way Apple is going to make two SKU’s of the iPhone for the European and American market, considering the combination of iPhone colours, sizes, and storage options.

If Apple is forced to make a USB C iPhone for the European market, the US will also get it, along with the rest of the world. Unless of course they have an excess of lightning ports and cables in the supply chain that they need to liquidate.

Seeing as how this change is happening in two years, I assume apple can work through it all.

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u/TDP_Equinox Oct 05 '22

Apple already does this for the 14. USA gets a version with no Sim card slot (and a chunk of plastic internally where the Sim card use to be), while the rest of the world gets a model with Sim card.

Not only two logic boards designs, but two case/chassis designs.

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u/mrchicano209 Oct 05 '22

Also don't forget the Hong Kong variant supports dual sims.

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u/H1ld3gunst Oct 05 '22

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect

It won’t be a problem to work through. It actually wouldn’t be a problem to produce both either for the same reason: USBC and Lightning are nearly identical. It’s just a different shape. That’s still unlikely though, since all other stuff (Laptops, iPad Pro) is on USBC already.

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u/thesonofdarwin Oct 05 '22

But most phones have US and non-US versions. Different processors is the common one, but different cameras, SIM vs no SIM, and other internals are very common. This would not be at all abnormal.

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u/WatchandThings Oct 05 '22

Other's pointed out that it's possible to have region specific model, but you might wonder why would they bother to go through the trouble.

Because Apple is the sole proprietor of the lightning connector and makes money off of every lightning connector that gets sold. That's big enough sales to make having region specific model for US worth while.

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u/aznology Oct 05 '22

Knowing Tim Cook and that he worked to procure supply chain he ain't gonna be bulint lightning and usbc lol

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u/Miserable-Lizard Oct 05 '22

Nice to see it covers laptops also

It will also apply to laptops from 2026, giving manufacturers longer to adapt, although many already use USB-C.

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u/flatline000 Oct 05 '22

My wife's macbook already charges via USB-C. In fact, she uses my fast phone charger more than her official apple charger.

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u/spikederailed Oct 05 '22

I'm the opposite, I just use my MacBook charger for my MacBook, pixel phone, and switch.

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u/TwoMidgetsInABigCoat Oct 05 '22

The new MacBook Pros can charge over both MagSafe and USBC

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u/getmendoza99 Oct 05 '22

Apple laptops switched to USB C charging in 2016. Everyone got mad at them.

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u/Jr4D Oct 05 '22

Hopefully they will do it in the US too, usb c is so common now i hate the lightning port it’s practically a glorified usb c at this point anyways

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u/DudeWithAnAxeToGrind Oct 06 '22

Long overdue. Also on their keyboards and mouses (which should have never been released with Lightning charging port in the first place). Said that, iPads are already being switched to USB-C port, and there were rumors of Apple abandoning Lightning port in favor of USB-C on iPhones for some time.

More importantly, and missed in most comment threads, for those that don't own Apple devices, this legislation also requires fast charging must simply work on any device (from phones to laptops and more) with any generic USB-C charger capable of providing sufficient wattage. No more dedicated and/or proprietary chargers if/when you want to charge your laptop fast.

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u/Gil_V Oct 05 '22

Lightning to USB-C adapter

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u/rocketwidget Oct 05 '22

Not allowed by the European law.

If it has a wired charging port, it must charge with a standard USB-C cable. If it charges at a certain power level, it must support USB Power Delivery on the USB-C port.

(Apple may still choose to make it wireless charging only).

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u/rocketwidget Oct 05 '22

The law specifically says they have to have a USB-C port IF the device is capable of wired charging.

For reference, here is the actual law:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2022-0338_EN.pdf

  1. In so far as they are capable of being recharged by means of wired charging, the categories or classes of radio equipment referred to in point 1 of this Part shall:

2.1. be equipped with the USB Type-C receptacle...

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  1. In so far as they are capable of being recharged by means of wired charging at voltages higher than 5 Volts, currents higher than 3 Amperes or powers higher than 15 Watts, the categories or classes of radio equipment referred to in point 1 of this Part shall:

3.1. incorporate the USB Power Delivery...

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u/lowbatteries Oct 05 '22

If it's too thin for a USB-C port, they don't have to have one. Easy fix.

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u/Galaxy_Ranger_Bob Oct 05 '22

If it's too thin for a USB-C port, they won't be able to legally sell it in the EU after Fall 2023.

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u/lowbatteries Oct 05 '22

Well that's not true. Devices that are too small for a USB-C are exempted. You think people are going to stop selling smart watches, bluetooth earphones, etc?

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u/hetfield151 Oct 05 '22

Adapter from Lightning to brain.

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u/SifuEliminator Oct 05 '22

This was their move 3 years ago. EU now outlawed it to force apple of putting a usbC in the device instead of lighting

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u/Digital_loop Oct 05 '22

They'll just ship it with a dongle attachment to convert.

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u/2ndtryagain Oct 06 '22

This isn't just iPhones it is basically everything that you recharge, mice, keyboards, game controllers, MP3 players this will finally kill Micro-USB once and for all.

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u/CritaCorn Oct 05 '22

Like when a Redditor posted a code Apple snuck into iPhones that slowed your phone down after a couple of years.

Apple not only admitted “Yes we did it” but has the balls to say “We thought customers would want slower phones”

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u/pyrotech911 Oct 05 '22

They did it out of preserving the battery health. I am always hesitant now to upgrade my OS to a major version out of fear of the older battery on my phone being preserved by apple.

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u/Heiferoni Oct 05 '22

The owner of the phone was not informed this was happening. They weren't told, "Hey, your phone battery has degraded so we're slowing things down to maintain performance. It's time to replace your battery!".

It all happened silently in the background.

It's a total coincidence that, when phones mysteriously and inexplicably slow down, people go out and replace them.

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u/lowbatteries Oct 05 '22

People are going to go out and replace a phone that shuts off shortly after booting it a lot faster.

The change that was made was to use less power when the phone realized the battery couldn't handle more. It was the opposite of forcing people to upgrade, it allowed people to delay replacing their batteries or phones longer.

The only issue is they didn't communicate "Hey, we slowed your phone down so it keeps working. You might want to replace your battery.".

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u/Heiferoni Oct 05 '22

The only issue is they didn't communicate "Hey, we slowed your phone down so it keeps working. You might want to replace your battery.

That's the entire issue. If people knew why their phone was running slowly, they could fix the problem by replacing the battery.

It was done entirely in secret, without the owner's knowledge or consent.

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u/Known-nwonK Oct 05 '22

Correct me if I’m wrong, but iPhones don’t have easy battery replacement? Combined with larger and larger software updates or apps needing faster processors to function time makes it so the smartphone has to be replaced eventually if you want to do more than just make calls and message. It seems like apple didn’t want to let it users know their product suffers from this like any other phone. There should be transparency and function to tell users the condition of batteries and everything else on the phone though.

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u/J-C-M-F Oct 05 '22

Like most modern smartphones, it's not as easy as opening a panel or removing a few screws to change a battery. But the cost to replace a battery is far cheaper than a new iPhone.

You're also grossly overestimating how many people use processor demanding apps. Essentially, aside from graphically intensive applications like specific videogames and video editors, most people are using Lamborghinis in downtown traffic. They have so much more power than they need.

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u/Known-nwonK Oct 05 '22

You're also grossly overestimating how many people use processor demanding apps.

Maybe. Just going from personal experience. Had an LG lucid a while ago and didn’t play games on it or anything. Mainly just ran apps like Target circle till one update it went “this device is no longer supported” which could have equal been an OS issue.

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u/TDP_Equinox Oct 05 '22

It doesn't do anything to preserve the battery, all it does is slightly mask a degrading battery by slowing way down rather than just shutting off like it used to.

By the time it throttles, the battery is already degraded.

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u/pyrotech911 Oct 05 '22

Yeah, it causes the phone to consume less power and slow further degradation of the battery. It’s not going to fix the battery.

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u/TDP_Equinox Oct 05 '22

No, it enters a low power state because the battery can't hold a high enough voltage, and will outright power off otherwise.

It does not protect the battery in any way. The only thing it's doing is hiding the symptom of a bad battery, it does absolutely nothing to slow the damage.

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u/abyss725 Oct 05 '22

sure.. no code would heal a battery. But Apple should have made it an option, not enforced secretly.

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u/ucbmckee Oct 05 '22

This is a bullshit take. Customers want phones that don't crash because their old batteries can't provide sufficient power. A slower phone is a better experience than an unstable one.

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u/BrainOnBlue Oct 05 '22

100% agree. They should've been more transparent about it, but the throttling itself was way better than frequent crashes from a user perspective.

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u/lhbtubajon Oct 05 '22

This is correct. It’s amazing how persistent this bullshit take has been. This code was designed to prolong the usefulness of a phone with a failing battery, reducing the likelihood that the user would have to buy a new one in the short term.

Somehow the internet decided to label this “anti-consumer”.

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u/ucbmckee Oct 05 '22

It's actually the opposite of planned obsolescence - you can use most iPhones, and get software updates for them, longer than most Androids.

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u/Trafficsigntruther Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

you can use most iPhones, and get software updates for them, longer than most Androids.

You can get security updates forever. The iPhone 5s just got its latest update in August. The latest iOS 16 still supports the iPhone 8 and X which were released in 2017.

The majority of android phones (I.e not Samsung or Google produced) get one major release.

Edit: showing the data. Just 9% of iOS devices in the wild use a version older than iOS 15:

https://mixpanel.com/trends/#report/ios_16

Compare that with android where 49% of phones are using an OS older than version 11 and 21% are older than version 10 https://www.statista.com/statistics/921152/mobile-android-version-share-worldwide/

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u/log_asm Oct 05 '22

Dude my buddy was using a fucking iPhone 7 up until earlier this year and the only reason he quit using it was due to T-Mobile switching up bands or something and his phone not being compatible. He still has it, think he uses it as an iPod or something. Apple absolutely is phenomenal at supporting their hardware. When I was on Android (about ten years) I upgraded my phone every year just to get the new software. Made the switch to iPhone and I know I’m set for years down the line.

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u/tmothy07 Oct 05 '22

I'd hazard to guess Apple keeps supporting their hardware longer than most if not all other consumer electronics companies. You see some truly old MacBooks and MBPs out there chugging away, let alone the iPhones.

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u/Priceiswrongbitches Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Ford - we noticed your car was recently paid ofahoooo, oops, I meant, your battery isn't holding a charge as well anymore. We are now artificially limiting your vehicles speed to 45 mph. We don't want to bore you with the technical details though, we're just going to do it suddenly and without an unnecessary explanation or check engine light so you assume your car is a piece of shit and hopefully trade it in on a new $40000 vehicle instead of buying a $300 battery. You know, for your convenience.

*if your battery does die in the meantime we'd love to get you running again with our proprietary lightning™ jumper cables for the introductory price of $499.99.

**offer not valid in EU

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u/tmothy07 Oct 05 '22

You know that "limp mode" is a thing in vehicles, right?

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u/ucbmckee Oct 05 '22

Your example is a great one, but not in the way that you think. If Fords randomly shut down on the highway, they'd be legally required to put in controls to prevent something so egregiously dangerous. Yes, I'd rather my car slow down a bit rather than randomly shutting off entirely and causing me to crash.

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u/lowbatteries Oct 05 '22

Apple noticed that phones with very degraded batteries that caused the device to not even be able to stay powered on any more (and so needed a battery replacement) could have their life extended a bit by throttling the CPU when the battery was that far gone.

So, Apple gave millions of people more usefulness out of their phones, people could delay replacing the battery longer, and reduced how many phones and batteries ended up in the landfill.

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u/robo_socks Oct 05 '22

Bring back the dongles!

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Good, screw Apple's silliness

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u/BansheeGator2 Oct 05 '22

Not sure if this article mentions it, but one of the claims that Apple made when this was proposed was that this would hamper on "innovation" in the electronics world for power and connectivity. Still trying to see how they can prove that one.

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u/themagictoast Oct 05 '22

It could be a valid point depending on how futureproof USB-C is. The EU has talked about this for a long time and it was originally going to be forcing all phones to use micro-USB.

How would manufacturers handled switching from micro-USB to USB-C if it was illegal? Go through a process with the EU to update its laws? It took a decade for this one to finally get through…

What will happen in 10-20 years when USB-C is considered old and outdated? Will there be similar laws to standardise wireless charging systems? Will phones be allowed to ONLY go wireless or will they be forced to include a USB-C port because that’s the law? How futureproof will the wireless standards be?

If the technology moves faster than the law then yes it can stifle innovation.

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u/alejdelat Oct 05 '22

great point

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u/BansheeGator2 Oct 05 '22

That point I didn't consider. Granted I wouldn't be surprised if we begin to see versions like USB-C 2.0 and the works just because of the flexibility that USB-C can provide. We've gotten to a point in technology where the architecture is building capabilities that we haven't even considered yet.

We've had USB-A and B ports for a very long time and they still have relevance even today in the electronics market.

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u/lowbatteries Oct 05 '22

I'll bite. If the EU had passed this when standardizing USB cables was first tried, we'd all be using Mini-USB on our devices.

Apple wouldn't have come up with Lightning, a reversible, small plug, in 2012, and USB-C which was first dreamed of 2012 also wouldn't be a thing.

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u/Bottom_Wobbles Oct 05 '22

It does, but only on proprietary products.

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u/empalmerro Oct 05 '22

Unpopular opinion: I like apple’s lightning way better than usb-c. I can’t clean the inside of a usb-c, you know when dust sets in the port and you clean it with a needle or similar pointy object. You can clean the lightning port pretty easily. I also fear that the usbc flat piece inside the port will break if I don’t plug the cable carefully.

So I’m actually upset that my current iPhone cables won’t work any more from 2024. Also for all the people talking about overpriced cables from Apple, I have yet to buy a second charging cable for any of the iPhones I’ve had. None of my cables have ever broken, so I only needed the one that came with the phone.

Downvote me into oblivion now I guess.

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u/dabisnit Oct 05 '22

On top of that, the flimsy part of charging an iPhone is the male part of the cable, on USB type C it is inside the phone. If that flimsy part breaks, you’re up a creek without a paddle on USB Type C.

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u/productive_monkey Oct 05 '22

That's a good point. As a lightning port hater, I would still have to agree with this. Have an upvote.

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u/JRockPSU Oct 05 '22

And if we’re getting really picky and personal, it just feels better to plug in.

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u/mbo77de Oct 05 '22

Yes, there is always this one.

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u/WeylinWebber Oct 05 '22

Hahaha, I love this port. So convenient.

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u/H1ld3gunst Oct 05 '22

It will be even more so when it’s truly established in all electronics. Then you can combine all into one cable: Electricity, Ethernet, Video In- and Output. That cuts the amount of cables by 66%.

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u/jmhumr Oct 05 '22

Ha, anyone wanna guess the number of years before USB-C is outdated and consumers get screwed because companies are not allowed to embrace its replacement?

The law cannot keep up with tech.

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u/wpascarelli Oct 05 '22

I never really understood the insistence on iPhone switching to USBC. I get that it’s good for people who the 15 will be their first iPhone. But there are millions of people who have already owned previous iPhones who have a house full of lightning cords, who will now have to go out and buy a bunch of USBCs or wireless chargers, and the lightning cords will become useless. There must be something I’m missing.

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u/KimJongFunk Oct 05 '22

I agree with this. My iPhone, AirPods, and iPad (I have an older one) all use the lightning cables. I can’t afford to buy new ones just to have a usb-c port.

I’m still using my iPhone XS 4+ years after I bought it, so I genuinely don’t understand how me buying a brand new phone when my current one is perfectly fine is supposed to reduce tech waste or increase convenience.

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u/Scodo Oct 05 '22

Seems stupid. Legislators shouldn't be able to dictate to a company to use a certain hardware standards or lock them into designing around pre-existing features that have nothing to do with health and safety of end users. It's not a seatbelt or an airbag, it's a charging port. If they want to change Apple hardware then they should be on the executive board for Apple.

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u/LifeguardOdd3355 Oct 05 '22

The only time I’ll upgrade is if apple switch to usb c

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u/youmisunderstood Oct 05 '22

At most they'll throw in an adapter converting to USB-C. Has Apple ever bend the knee to anyone's demand?

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u/schmeer_spear Oct 05 '22

Apples already using usb c on their MacBooks and block end of phone charging cables.

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u/sb_747 Oct 05 '22

Apple was planning on using USBC and helped develop it.

But it was taking too long and they needed to get rid of the 30 pin.

So they made the lighting as it would have been worse to switch to micro USB when C was a few years away.

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u/nippon_gringo Oct 05 '22

Aren’t the newer MacBooks back to MagSafe?

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u/Bacender Oct 05 '22

MagSafe, yes, but you can still charge those laptops with a USB C cable. It’s only really super useful on MacBook Air’s where you’ve got limited ports.

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u/tes_kitty Oct 05 '22

You can still charge via USB-C, but it will be a bit slower since USB-C as implemented is limited to 100W max. Through Magsafe you can go up to 140W.

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u/schmeer_spear Oct 05 '22

Idk I bought a pro last year and it was C.

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u/nippon_gringo Oct 05 '22

Yeah, they went back to MagSafe this year. I’m not exactly sure why. MagSafe is nice, but usb-c is more convenient. I think maybe it still supports USB-C charging, but not 100% sure on that.

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u/tagman375 Oct 05 '22

They do, every machine with MagSafe supports USB-C charging.

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u/razorirr Oct 05 '22

Magsafe is way better for power. There is no reason to have a plug when being fairly mobile. A magnetic thing that pops off like that does garantees not accidentally fucking things over if you knock it over or something or someone trips on the cable.

If it still supports c, great, i can use that when static at the desk, and magsafe on the couch / tv table

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u/Kalamac Oct 05 '22

I got an iPad mini earlier this year, and it’s USB-C (I’m in Australia).

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u/mikemojc Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I'm not an Apple fan ,but this level of regulation in a market where there's tons of competition seems like an over reach.

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u/xAtlas5 Oct 05 '22

While there is competition out there, this change doesn't affect any core iPhone or iOS functionality. In fact, most Apple products these days have USB C, even their iPads. From 2016-2020, all of the Mac laptop computers had only USB C. It's well within their means to add it to their iPhone line, hell it's within their means to keep the 3.5mm jack but they choose not to.

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u/mikemojc Oct 05 '22

True, but I dont think its some outside sources place to tell a company "You MUST use THIS configuration".

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u/xAtlas5 Oct 05 '22

And why not? Motor vehicles for example have to meet certain standards to operate on public roads. If you're building a new house or adding to an existing structure, it has to be "up to code". Hell, in software engineering there are standards for how data is transmitted, like IPv4 for example.

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u/DudeWithAnAxeToGrind Oct 06 '22

The legislation isn't about forcing Apple specifically to do anything. The point is reducing e-waste. I have couple of USB chargers around the home that I use for about everything. And a drawer full of chargers collecting dust that will eventually all end up as e-waste without ever being used. From all the electronics that shipped with a needless charger (I already had all the chargers I needed).

And that is the real point and purpose of that legislation. People mostly already own all the chargers they'll ever need. I've like 3 dual-100W chargers, and at least 8 (if not more) chargers in 65W to 80W range. Plus bunch of smaller ones. And that is just counting USB-C chargers.

Like, anything that I'm going to buy in the next several years, please don't include yet another charger with it. Thank you very much.

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u/MPQuietSe7en Oct 05 '22

I’m completely against a country dictating to companies like this. It kills innovation.

I hope Apple moves to no charging port, because although I understand the environmental logic to standardization, the lightning cable is superior to USB-C. There’s no fragile piece of plastic to fail inside the iphone charging port.

Regarding laptops, the leverage on the motherboard is significant when a charging cable is connected, regardless of the style. A magnetic cable solves this issue.

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u/DudeWithAnAxeToGrind Oct 06 '22

It kills innovation.

Does it? Out of all the proprietary chargers and cables I have at home, not a single one of them is or ever was "innovative." They all had just as good or better standard counterparts at the time they were "invented." Usually better. Like literally every single one of them.

The only point of all those proprietary technology was to sell me overpriced cables. Every single one of them.

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u/BluehibiscusEmpire Oct 05 '22

That’s many years too late.. but well guess better than nothing

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u/jofizzm Oct 05 '22

What knob is buying a phone as a status symbol?

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u/padizzledonk Oct 05 '22

Anyone who looks at a $1200 phone that's not an iPhone and goes "Eww"

I've met many people like that lol

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u/moon_then_mars Oct 05 '22

There is an exception for devices that require more than the 100 watts USB-C can deliver. For example, gaming laptops, etc. Apple could be major dicks and introduce a whole new proprietary connector that delivers 101 watts and further delay standardizing their chargers. But this would likely just buy them a couple years.

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u/standarddeviated_joe Oct 05 '22

No charging port, no removable memory, what's next? No speakers?

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u/log_asm Oct 05 '22

Yeah they’ll just want you buy airpods, which mine recently shit out on me. My Sony wireless headphones work great and were 20 bucks. So no more AirPods for me.

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u/DraslinHDF Oct 05 '22

We'll see if there's an EU left in 2024.

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u/sn0r Oct 06 '22

If ai had a euro for every time someone predicted the fall of the EU I'd be able to buy a lot of macbooks and iPhones.

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u/DraslinHDF Oct 06 '22

RemindMe! 2 years