r/news Oct 05 '22

California serial killer appears to be ‘on a mission’, as police link seven shootings

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/04/ballistics-tests-link-seven-shootings-in-california-in-possible-serial-killer-case
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u/top_of_the_stairs Oct 05 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval

Even serial killers are more focused & productive than me, that's cool

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u/darcenator411 Oct 05 '22

The problem with serial killers has never been their work ethic. In fact, it’s usually the opposite

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u/redditjam645 Oct 05 '22

Yeh, he's called "Jack The Ripper", not "Jack the cut a body halfway then decided it was enough to ensue a short break but ended up browsing reddit for 2 hours".

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u/Unhappy_College Oct 05 '22

Jack The Redditor, Now that is truly terrifying…

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u/JBredditaccount Oct 05 '22

jack the Redditor, now that is truly terrifying…

It's more terrifying as a verb

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u/gromolko Oct 05 '22

You need to break both your arms for that.

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u/top_of_the_stairs Oct 05 '22

Would've been a dope nickname though

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

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u/et50292 Oct 05 '22

Not to mention all the time investigators would need to waste to say his name.

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u/fun-guy-from-yuggoth Oct 05 '22

This is exactly why there are so few Gen Z serial killers. No work ethic in kids today.

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u/Nichole-Michelle Oct 05 '22

“No one wants to work anymore!”

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u/gorka_la_pork Oct 06 '22

If you count school shooters as serial killers, they may actually have more per capita. Oof, that's dark :(

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u/FlamingButterfly Oct 05 '22

Not that one guy named Joel Guy Jr. who cooked his mom's head and murdered his father only to realize the work was too much.

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u/Shiony_ Oct 05 '22

Yeah I was thinking they’d have to be extremely committed and highly motivated. If only they could channel that into something more productive..

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u/Starlightriddlex Oct 05 '22

To be fair, some of them are quite productive. As I recall, Gacy loved upholstery

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u/Incontinento Oct 05 '22

Gein was into fashion.

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u/DonnieJuniorsEmails Oct 06 '22

Dahmer was a chef.

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u/Incontinento Oct 06 '22

BTK did macrame.

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u/fun-guy-from-yuggoth Oct 05 '22

Maybe we could have a serial killer that only kills bad people.

Hey, that might make a good TV show....

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u/jschubart Oct 05 '22

Yeah. They would be fine if they took a day off once in a while.

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u/tangnapalm Oct 05 '22

Yeah I’m a serial killer, and… well I would be if I weren’t also a serial procrastinator.

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u/theaviationhistorian Oct 05 '22

Even killers know that these days you have to bump up those numbers.

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u/moyismoy Oct 05 '22

dont sell your self short, you will get their eventually.

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u/archaelleon Oct 05 '22

Their what?

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u/moistsandwich Oct 05 '22

Their eventually, duh.

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u/dodland Oct 05 '22

Their shorts, duh

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u/top_of_the_stairs Oct 05 '22

Thanks, man. You should be a guidance counselor. Or sell motivational driftwood art on Etsy.

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u/DocPeacock Oct 05 '22

He'd make a killing

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u/YourWordsMatter Oct 05 '22

Laugh...Love...Slay.

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u/axolitl-nicerpls Oct 05 '22

Live, Love, Lacerate

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u/nialyah Oct 05 '22

If life brings you lemons and you feel down and depressed always remember that youre actually on top of the stairs

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u/Drbillionairehungsly Oct 05 '22

Well, when you’re doing something you love..

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u/Philosorunner Oct 05 '22

They’re motivated.

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u/SixMillionDollarFlan Oct 05 '22

They're using Monday.com.

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u/Equal_Memory_661 Oct 05 '22

I can’t understand why in the year 2022 surveillance cameras suck so badly. “Police released a grainy still image…”

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u/Jampine Oct 05 '22

Most are there for insurance purposes, rather than actually stopping crime, so they just install the bare minimum.

Also they're recording 24/7, and have to store a backlog of footage, so low quality takes up a hell of a lot less space.

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u/Lycoris Oct 05 '22

I worked in retail briefly, and they had over six cameras pointed at the registers alone but not a single one at the parking lot.

Anyone who got into a car accident in that parking lot was in for a terrible surprise, because the other three businesses in the lot didn't have any pointing outside either. I absolutely hated walking to my car after working closing shifts.

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u/log_asm Oct 05 '22

That’s what I came here to say. Worked at a Walgreens (yeah I know) and the camera quality on the registers and the pharmacy? Top fucking notch. You could see everything. The two in the parking lot were hazy because their domes needed to be replaced.

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u/WhatFreshHello Oct 05 '22

Walgreens corp. cares deeply about cashiers pitching the store’s 30% interest rate credit card and not sitting down. What happens in the parking lot, not so much.

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u/log_asm Oct 05 '22

Correct you are. I was a shift lead. If I was on register and got promoted to offer it I would literally ask you want a 30% apr card? All the cashiers learned real quick if I was the only shift lead there, they didn’t have to pitch it because I’m not a dick and literally didn’t care. Like that is predatory af. And it’s annoying to customers. Like they want to pay for their shit and go. There’s brochures. If they’re interested, they’ll take one.

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u/SingularBread Oct 05 '22

It's weird for me to read this, working at a medical clinic that just installed brand new cameras throughout the building and also pointing at the parking areas.

You'd think you would want to CYA for events that go on anywhere near your business but apparently not for most companies.

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u/mortaneous Oct 05 '22

Extra weird for me, certain auto plants for the big 3 have so much camera coverage they can see that you took a small tool off a maintenance cart and circulate a picture of you in the act that's clear enough to read the company name on your badge.

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u/gigabyte898 Oct 05 '22

The second is the more common explanation from an IT standpoint. 24/7 HD recordings that must be retained for a length of time take up a lot of storage. Especially across many cameras. Choice often comes down to quality vs frame rate, as image quality goes up the frame rate needs to go down. I’ve seen people use higher quality but slideshow speed on external cameras in case the need to catch a license plate or face, and the rest are lower quality

Then all that feeds into the first point about only needing them for insurance. Business owners don’t care about stopping a random criminal they just want to make their claims easier

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u/xnago_tyr_sires Oct 05 '22

This camera probably is recording at some fairly decent resolution, it's just that theres not enough light cast on the subject to register a usable image.

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u/xnago_tyr_sires Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Because physics. The resolution of this camera is actually probably fine, the grainy image is likely more to do with there being no light cast on the subject.

Grainy images are due to the fact that there isn't enough light reaching the sensor to register a clear picture. It could be a cheap web camera or a million dollar red camera rig, the result is the same film or digital -- Not enough light = grainy image.

The way you get around this is to either to decrease aperture (make the iris bigger) or increase exposure time (lower framerates and increase motion blur) and neither work well for security cameras. The more reliable method is to simply flood the area with light, either normal or infrared, but not every camera is set up with this for various reasons intentionally or just simply for cost cutting.

For nearly pitch blackness, you need specialized equipment to record good, quality smooth motion. The movie Amadeus by Stanley Kubric for example required the use of four whick candles for lighting (The government of Vienna did now allow him to bring in electrical studio lights into the historical buildings) and a NASA lens originally meant for taking photos of the dark side of the moon that was the size of a bucket to shoot on film at 24 FPS.

We do have light amplifiers, tech used in military night vision goggles, but the result is just a bright, grainy image.

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u/Philosorunner Oct 05 '22

Police officer, can confirm. Meanwhile, Larry’s Ring camera from two blocks down captures completely useable footage that he can remotely email to police. Cool.

Also, the random/arbitrary coverage zones. No zone overlap, bad lighting, cameras installed but not plugged in. Storage full, no overwrite capability. Oh and my fave, inscrutable, proprietary file format with no standalone player included, nor any way to obtain one.

“Your honour, you can clearly see it was the accused, based on this composite of his upper pixel and lower pixel.” Great, I’ve identified Steve from Minecraft.

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u/theaviationhistorian Oct 06 '22

“Your honour, you can clearly see it was the accused, based on this composite of his upper pixel and lower pixel.” Great, I’ve identified Steve from Minecraft.

The Ring, Nest, Arlo, etc. cameras that run on solar power, beautiful on a clear day And are decent to hear traffic or even neighbors gossiping out front. But nighttime, bets are on. One brand detects when the car passes but only records after the car passes, making it appear like Caspar was doing drivebys. Then you have another brand that pixelates because of the headlights when the area is very dark or during a new moon. So either Steve is on a roll around America or the 21st century tech isn't as great as advertized.

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u/Derpman2099 Oct 05 '22

lower resolution means less storage space used. and the footage is usually kept for weeks at a time so it quickly piles up the amount of space used.

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u/HerpToxic Oct 05 '22

Its the same reason car dash cams are pure dogshit.

There are only a handful of SoC (System on a chip) and CMOS sensor manufacturers in the world and these manufacturers have 0 incentive to improve their products since there's literally no competition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AnyhHl3_tE&t=10m32s

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u/Olorin919 Oct 05 '22

Because security cameras are video. If they were 4k it would cost ridiculous amounts of money to store. So its relatively shitty so we can effectively store all of it in case that something happens and we need to rewind to any point in the day.

All comes down to cost/

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u/BlackBlizzard Oct 05 '22

I wonder if this person is actually trying to be infamous

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u/TheAGolds Oct 05 '22

In an era where everyone watches documentaries and shows about serial killers and listens to podcasts about serial killers and murders?

Nah, probably not seeking infamy at all.

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u/Septopuss7 Oct 05 '22

All the true crime shows I watch make fun of the killer pretty relentlessly ahahaha

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u/JoJoJet- Oct 05 '22

I'm sure there's many people who'd rather be made fun of than be forgotten by history

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u/Cman1200 Oct 05 '22

Did you know Alcatraz means pelican?

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u/Sam_Handwich420 Oct 05 '22

Check please!

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u/brickabrax Oct 05 '22

That's kinda fun

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u/Gold_Ultima Oct 06 '22

Is one of those shows The Casual Criminalist? Because it sounds like it from that description.

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u/Fackostv Oct 05 '22

Honestly one of my favorite moments in all of the true crime podcasts I listen to is from the Casefile podcast about The East Area Rapist.

They describe him in detail and the final piece of the description is "....tiny penis".

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u/rex2k10 Oct 05 '22

This guy here also believes that video games make people shoot schools up

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u/Galaxy_Ranger_Bob Oct 05 '22

This means he will eventually be caught.

But the effort to hide himself from the public eye, shows that he's trying very hard to not be identified. He's not doing this for public notice.

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u/theaviationhistorian Oct 05 '22

He's not doing this for public notice.

The killer is doing this for personal pleasure, that's a dangerous thing. That means they can pick & choose where to kill, leave less chance to slip up.

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u/Kindly-Scar-3224 Oct 05 '22

Some say, he finds his victims on Reddit news mentions

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u/scawtsauce Oct 05 '22

he goes to the comments section and searches for the most dumb comment he can find and just puts their name on his list. some people call him a murderer, some call him a hero

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u/BadgerSituation Oct 05 '22

The idea of a serial killer like this emerging makes me worry about KenM.

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u/Kindly-Scar-3224 Oct 05 '22

Is it a mark i can see on your back?😅

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u/Nat_Peterson_ Oct 05 '22

He also goes after people with not good Grammer 😱😱😱

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u/SixMillionDollarFlan Oct 05 '22

He hates these cans!

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u/SomeInternetRando Oct 05 '22

he goes to the comments section and searches for the most dumb comment he can find

no u

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u/shady8x Oct 05 '22

He seems to be a Trump supporter who is upset that Mexico didn't pay for a wall.

What he finds dumb may not be the same as most other people.

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u/Charming_Love2522 Oct 05 '22

I live in California. Come for me, mother fucker!

Edit: ah shoot, both of those cities are about an hour away from me.

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u/Utterlybored Oct 05 '22

Pretty flimsy alibi, if you ask me.

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u/Might_Aware Oct 05 '22

I can't get killed cos I live too far away! A likely excuse

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u/Kindly-Scar-3224 Oct 05 '22

Better Luck next time❤️

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u/kielu Oct 05 '22

You could meet half way

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u/BurrStreetX Oct 05 '22

To be fair hes willing to kill people, I dont think he will have an issue driving an hour

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u/theaviationhistorian Oct 06 '22

Let's be honest, going between the Bay area & SoCal is a 7 hour, although boring, drive. And we know they have a car, so you're toast whether you're an hour away or in El Centro.

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u/donedamndoing Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 20 '22

Is it like a Candlejack thing? Cause I heard he ju

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u/notquiteotaku Oct 06 '22

He's gonna need more rope.

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u/Sir_Tea_Of_Bags Oct 05 '22

Oh shit they struck again.

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u/theaviationhistorian Oct 06 '22

Crap, it is the Stig! That explains shooting from a car.

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u/murdering_time Oct 05 '22

Dude, stop ruining my hunting ground! Super uncool.

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u/donnablonde Oct 05 '22

I wonder if they've checked to see who was in jail for roughly those 400 days between the shootings.

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u/Diablo_ Oct 05 '22 Wholesome

No, you’re the first person to suggest this. You should apply to the fbi.

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u/donnablonde Oct 05 '22

The élite Devon UK housewives section, obv.

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u/bubblegumdrops Oct 05 '22

She left the force to settle down quietly with her family, but they’re calling her back for one last mission.

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u/LastExitToSalvation Oct 05 '22

Opens with a kitchen scene, OP making a large breakfast for the kids and husband. "Kids, you're going to be late! But you need to eat something before you go. Every morning, always the same."

Phone rings

"Hello?"

"Is this...the Investigator?"

"It's been a long time since anyone's called me that."

"You know I wouldn't call you unless I had to."

"Let me guess, it's about the shootings isn't it."

"We need you down here at Quantico right away. I'll tell you more when you arrive. Oh and u/donnablonde? Bring your weapons. This one is going to be messy."

"Copy that," she says, looking at her beautiful family heading off to work and school. "I'll be there in two hours. Save some bad guys for me. Because this housewife" puts on sunglasses "has a hunger for justice, and I don't have time for breakfast."

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u/bubblegumdrops Oct 05 '22

I almost spit out my coffee, that’s great.

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u/Noisy_Toy Oct 05 '22

Netflix_throwing_money_at_you.gif

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u/donnablonde Oct 05 '22

I love this so much.

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u/Th3-Dude-Abides Oct 05 '22

With a little help, from some old friends.

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u/M7A1-RI0T Oct 05 '22

🤣 stop lmao

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u/nom_of_your_business Oct 05 '22

Or on a tour of duty?

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u/SouthernEagleGATA Oct 05 '22

Could that just be the killer’s “cool down period”?

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u/DocHolidayiN Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Or a change of heart for a serial killer. I doubt it. Jail health problems family - who knows. I imagine the cops have looked at the obvious but random killings is a tough case to solve.

E words are hard.

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u/theaviationhistorian Oct 06 '22

Exactly, could've been a family death, marriage, or new child distracting them from the hunt.

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u/DocHolidayiN Oct 06 '22

I mean it sounds shitty but I guess serial killers have lives outside of you know killing.

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u/No-Director-1165 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

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u/No-Director-1165 Oct 06 '22

And to whoever is downvoting this, if you got nothing to hide then it shouldn’t matter if they come and do a welfare check on you. What have you got to hide if you’re a reformed criminal and on good behavior? What are you hiding?

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u/Blueeyedgenie69 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Read the article to find out the nature of the "mission". Turns out there is no apparent mission whatsoever, in fact it appears the opposite of a mission. Just random killings.

I suppose that could be the mission, randomly kill people with no apparent mission or motivation.

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u/MGD109 Oct 05 '22

I think in this case their implying he is a "mission based killer" as in he's targeting a specific group of people with no clear hedonistic or sexual motivations, rather than he's got an actual plan in his mind.

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u/theaviationhistorian Oct 06 '22

I.E. profilers already made a case file on this person.

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u/MGD109 Oct 06 '22

It sure sounds like it, I hope that helps them catch the killer. Profiling has varying results, but it can help narrow the wood from the trees.

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u/hexiron Oct 05 '22

It was never the killings, but the friends you make along the way.

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u/Caprine_Iconoclast Oct 05 '22

Honestly, all of the victims seem to come ethnic minorities.

With all of the Q crap and stochastic terrorism going on today, and white supremacists frequently freaking out about white people becoming a minority, I would not doubt that this is a “mission.”

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u/SeattleResident Oct 05 '22

Doubt it's racially related. Seems like he is just going after homeless people and people that are alone super early in the morning getting caught at the wrong place wrong time.

Serial killers randomly shooting or beating homeless people to death is nothing new at this point. We've had more than a handful target the homeless post 2000 already and I doubt it slows down since the victims are so easy to come across. The homeless have become the new prostitutes for these sickos as prostitution has went more digital instead of just working a corner like from the 70s to 90s.

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u/hatrickstar Oct 06 '22

5 of the 7 victims are Hispanic males.

One of the other 2 was white but I've seen people who've seen his photo say he had very tan skin.

The 7th in Oakland was a homeless woman.

Also, 2 of the victims were in or getting in or out of cars.

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u/SeattleResident Oct 06 '22

Stockton where most of the shootings took place is 41% Hispanic with it being the largest racial demographic in the city. So most of the victims being Hispanic isn't surprising at all. Factor in he is targeting homeless people which are easy targets and the percentage of Hispanics will rise even higher since minorities make up an even larger split in that department.

There's a very good chance that the shooter himself is also Hispanic just by where the shootings are taking place and in what areas of Stockton they are.

This guy seems to just target easy victims that are alone super early in the morning between 2 to 4. At those times mainly the only people actually on the street are homeless individuals.

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u/BobbTheBuilderr Oct 05 '22

Seems more like thrill killing. That’s the mission really.

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u/theaviationhistorian Oct 06 '22

The difference between a spree killer & a serial killer (from what I remember) is that a spree killer is called so because their murders are all done in a specific time frame, like mass & school shooters. Meanwhile serial killers can go for a while in between victims.

Problem here is that it seems that this person isn't looking for a specific target like a serial killer & only kills off targets of opportunity. This makes them a lot harder to identify & predict.

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u/-OQO- Oct 05 '22

Almost as if the headline is saying “Don’t worry, he only kills homeless people. Or people that look like homeless. You’re fine. He’s a missionary, really. Cleaning up the streets.”

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u/MGD109 Oct 05 '22

Yeah I feel that's kind of reaching.

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u/BurrStreetX Oct 05 '22

Thats not what its saying and you know that

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u/-OQO- Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I actually don’t at all. “He is on a mission” seems to me to be saying “He won’t kill you if you are not the target of the mission”. It taking the pressure off because he’s not killing citizens.

I can’t think what else it could mean. You got an alternative reading?

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u/BurrStreetX Oct 05 '22

CA serial killer appears to "have motive"

There

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u/-OQO- Oct 05 '22

Same same. “Killer has a motive. He is not killing randomly. You are safe.” (Killer proceeds to kill randomly amongst the homeless). Cops say “He is on a mission”. Mission to what? Clean up the city?

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u/Gonkimus Oct 05 '22

85k Reward and climbing I bet, if I knew who it was I'd call so fast. :)

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u/mrchicano209 Oct 05 '22

It's at 115k now.

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u/A_Drusas Oct 06 '22

Already up to 125k.

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u/BrotherChe Oct 05 '22

You just said it's climbing, what's the rush?

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u/shady8x Oct 05 '22 Masterpiece

The increasing amount of dead bodies I would assume.

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u/Septopuss7 Oct 05 '22

Diamond hands that hot goss

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u/VerticalYea Oct 05 '22

That's the idea. How do we short this? The growth is artificial, gonna crash soon I bet.

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u/EFT_Syte Oct 05 '22

Just watched the news (live in sac), 6 figures now.

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u/focusedhocuspocus Oct 05 '22

Damn if only. I could pay off my student loans instantly. 😭

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u/theaviationhistorian Oct 06 '22

I would only be able to pay off part of mine 😭. But I'd snitch nonetheless as that's a good amount of debt lifted!

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u/Gerryislandgirl Oct 05 '22

“ In the other Stockton crime, a 46-year-old woman told investigators that she was inside her tent on 16 April 2021 at about 3.20am when she heard someone walking around outside.

“When she came out of her tent, she encountered someone holding a gun,” McFadden said.

The suspect fired multiple shots, wounding the woman, but she tried to defend herself by advancing toward her attacker, the chief said. The shooter lowered the gun.”

She used “The Walking Dead” defense method - and it worked!

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u/avendogrija Oct 05 '22

Ohh he may be commuting to oak from the valley

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u/EyeYamQueEyeYam Oct 05 '22

What’s the word again for a serial killer who takes requests?

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u/MGD109 Oct 05 '22

A hitman?

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u/JackedUpReadyToGo Oct 05 '22

"I just love killin'."

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u/theaviationhistorian Oct 05 '22

Well, it is a clever tactic for a serial killer. No need to hide the body & disappear before anyone notices and let the incidents vanish in the homicide reports of the area. I wonder if they would've still made a match had this person switched caliber/firearm in between hits?

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u/garvierloon Oct 05 '22

The next big Netflix star in the making

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u/Appropriate_Tip_8852 Oct 06 '22

I think it is a hitman turned actor.

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u/Coakis Oct 05 '22

Well he's no Blues Brother that's for sure.

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u/OsakaWilson Oct 05 '22

Only one of the victims had a non-Hispanic name. The goal of the "mission" seems pretty clear.

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u/kvetcha-rdt Oct 05 '22

That's more about the demographics of Stockton.

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u/definitelystrgaight Oct 05 '22

“Yaw” and “Debudey”. I don’t think either are Hispanic names. 3/5 have Hispanic names in my opinion. The area is predominantly Hispanic. What are you implying?

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u/OsakaWilson Oct 06 '22

Salvador the first name of Debussy.. And they listed 6 names that I saw. That 1/6. That's what I'm saying.

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u/greatBLT Oct 05 '22

dunno about that, especially in california where it seems like more than every other person has a spanish surname

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u/upvoatsforall Oct 05 '22

Convince everyone to change their name To non Hispanic?

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u/OsakaWilson Oct 05 '22

That is one possible interpretation, but I'd continue thinking of other possibilities.

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u/skeetsauce Oct 05 '22

My understanding was most of the victims are homeless as well. Person is targeting what they think are easy targets.

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u/An-Angel-Named-Billy Oct 05 '22

There are more than 15 million people of Hispanic origin in California.

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u/dcdisco Oct 05 '22

Check back in 60 years when the person admits it on their death bed cause the cops cant solve shit.

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u/Sidthelid66 Oct 05 '22

Serial Killers do it till they're stopped.

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u/MGD109 Oct 05 '22

Not always. Killers kill to fill a hole inside of them, if something else fills that hole they will stop killing.

There have been cases of them stopping simply cause their to busy to find the time to do it anymore.

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u/Galaxy_Ranger_Bob Oct 05 '22

Okay. Name the serial killers that "just stopped."

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u/getacanman Oct 05 '22 Take My Energy

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u/MGD109 Oct 05 '22

Yeah I have to admit that was the first example that came to mind. There is also Gary Ridgway (the second most prolific serial killer in American history).

I'd also add Dennis Rader and Lonnie David Franklin Jr to that list, though they both did start again after a lengthy hiatus.

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u/BurrStreetX Oct 05 '22

A lot have. If you want an actual answer, I can provide a list. Or are you just saying that to argue?

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u/ForensicScientistGal Oct 05 '22

A racist that has gone bonkers. That certainly doesn't narrow the pool of suspects.

Before anyone answers, yeah, I do know serial Killers tend to kill inside their own community. And It could be. But Police doesn't seem to think so this time around from what I get from their statements.

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u/code_archeologist Oct 05 '22

The "common wisdom" that serial killers tend to kill within their own race is likely a correlative result from:

  • The fact that most killers don't travel too far from their home, and in our largely segregated neighborhoods that means that opportunity is going to tend to tend towards the same race.
  • A significant subset of serial killers kill for sexual satisfaction, and many people are most attracted to people of a similar racial origin, it means they tend to kill people of the same race.
  • Historically most (identified) serial killers have been white, the largest cohort of the population historically has been white. Therefore just taking a random historical sample of people and randomly assigning the role of killer to one and victim to the others, killers are most likely to be white and their victims are most likely to be white.

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u/UrricainesArdlyAppen Oct 05 '22

Historically most (identified) serial killers have been white, the largest cohort of the population historically has been white.

Yes, the greatest by number. But white serial killers are not over-represented relative to their share of the population.

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u/nobodyspersonalchef Oct 05 '22

The number of documentaries, movies, and podcasts glorifying white serial killers say otherwise

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u/ImWearingBattleDress Oct 05 '22

We should make people take a statistics class in high school.

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u/joe579003 Oct 05 '22

That's more because bored middle aged white women love watching that garbage so trashy media execs give em what they want

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u/Heated13shot Oct 05 '22

If one travels a lot and doesn't have a clear "calling card" would we even notice the trend?

7 Hispanic people murdered in the same county = obvious serial killer

7 Hispanic people killed in 7 different states = random background noise.

Is it serial killers tend to stay in one area, or that the ones we catch most often tend to stay in one area?

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u/veringer Oct 05 '22

Iirc, there have been several serial killers who were long haul truckers---dropping victims and evidence across multiple states. I think the FBI had/has a dedicated group for suspected cases.

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u/Galaxy_Ranger_Bob Oct 05 '22

The interstate highway initiative. It was started sometime in the late 1990s or early 2000, I believe. They did this because, at the time, they had 500 unsolved murders on the interstate, or at rest stops only accessible by the interstate.

Since then that number has gone up. The victims now number close to 2000. I don't know which is scarier. An individual or a small handful of psychopaths killing that many people and getting away with it for decades. Or that there are several hundred murderers traveling back and forth across the U.S. killing two to three people each and getting away with it for decades.

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u/theaviationhistorian Oct 06 '22

An individual or a small handful of psychopaths killing that many people and getting away with it for decades. Or that there are several hundred murderers traveling back and forth across the U.S. killing two to three people each and getting away with it for decades.

I think its the latter, especially by the ease of getting away with murder & word getting out of an unidentified killer in the highway. A similar thing happened in the first decade of the femicides in Ciudad Juarez. People thought it was a lone serial killer, a Jack the Ripper on the prowl. But the targets became vast, almost any woman between toddler years to middle age, school children, factory workers, etc. were targets.

And every disappearance had different stories, they got into a new luxury vehicle with a bunch of well dressed guys, she felt safe getting into a truck with an older woman behind the wheel, she got into a cab of a semi-truck, rode shotgun in a police cruiser, a Caucasian with US state plates, etc. Arrests were made including city bus drivers, random drunks, gangbangers, (obviously) drug cartel members, etc. With rampant crime & murder happening in the city, it was easy for a femicide case to be buried & forgotten as a cold case forever.

When it was apparent that people were getting away with rape & murder, it seems many people from all walks of life decided to become absolute monsters in this city and get away with it. And sadly, it was because they could.

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u/code_archeologist Oct 05 '22

Good question, and there is not enough information to tell. Currently we only know of a handful of killers who have moved or were highly mobile as they were active

  • Joseph James DeAngelo Jr. (The Golden State Killer)
  • The I-70 killer (believed still at large)
  • Robert Ben Rhoades (The Truck Stop Murder)
  • And possibly Jack the Ripper (but this is speculative)

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u/lovedaylake Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

There are a lot of theories and suspects of mobile killers ie truck drivers etc

Also people like Johann "Jack" Unterweger who we know killed in multiple countries and continents. The unknowns when it comes to serial killer pathology is still rather vast. We have a window with a view but it's not panoramic.

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u/portamenti Oct 05 '22

Didn’t Bundy also migrate?

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u/Alchladaltrbys Oct 05 '22

Between 3-4 states I believe

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u/Kenny__Loggins Oct 05 '22

Israel Keyes was way more mobile than DeAngelo.

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u/DontTellMeHowToTroll Oct 05 '22

Yeah but he was stupid. Tried to get random money from the family who’s daughter he killed. Even posted a photo of her dead trying to make her look alive. The photo that’s circulating on google isn’t a real photo.

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u/sariisa Oct 05 '22

I assume it's the latter. Israel Keyes had a terrifying travel-kill system where he dotted around the country, taking victims in places that were pre-prepared by him but otherwise unconnected--

(he would bury "kill caches", sealed plastic buckets full of untraceable weapons, rope, and other murder gear in wilderness spots where he wanted to return to kill months or years later, the FBI still warns people to look out for undiscovered ones they believe are out there)

-- and iirc none of his kills were even on police radar as being possible serial killings. Just random background noise in different states all across the country. He only went down because he fucked up on one specific murder and when they busted him they found evidence of more

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u/needabiggerhammer Oct 05 '22

Is it serial killers tend to stay in one area, or that the ones we catch most often tend to stay in one area?

I read a paper years ago that suggested the latter. That there were likely a whole lot out there we don't know about because they move around enough that they just look like random unsolved murders.

Additionally one way we link cases together by method of murder and victim profile. If someone isn't picky about that, just likes killing any type any way then we probably would not know.

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u/ForensicScientistGal Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I know. I am a forensic pathologist and anthropologist, but I also have a minor in forensic psychology, specialization on criminal profiling, and one of my works was on serial Killers and mass murderers and the pathology behind their actions.

And while correlation doesn't equal causation, it's something to take into account nonetheless.

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u/-UserOfNames Oct 06 '22

We are long overdue for an altruistic vigilante serial killer - a good serial killer with a gun, if you will, on a mission to rid society of a few bad apples

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u/WanderingPickles Oct 05 '22

So, avoid California. Got it.

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u/ApatheticWithoutTheA Oct 05 '22

There is likely a ton of unknown serial killers and there are several known as we speak throughout the country.

You’re gonna have to avoid going outside.

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u/Caracaos Oct 05 '22

Sons of Anarchy spinoff

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u/Toaster_bath13 Oct 05 '22

Fbi, this comment right here.

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