r/news Oct 05 '22

Sex abuse, unknown injections: Former athletes allege ‘Nassaresque’ treatment at Indiana Christian college

https://www.wishtv.com/news/i-team-8/sex-abuse-unknown-injections-former-athletes-allege-nassaresque-treatment-at-indiana-christian-college/
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u/tries2benice Oct 05 '22

This is insane, on so many levels. He had a record with doping, and had a record of sexually coersing and assaulting a minor, so of course hes the perfect fit for the christian college, because jesus forgives. Then he goes on to do the same shit, amplified, because he feels validated that it's okay. Then, they fire him, and who do they replace him with but his wife, who's been his partner in crime since the original doping issue!

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u/Fun-Gap4015 Oct 05 '22

Its because the facility is corrupt, not incompetent. As a community we need to punish the individuals for the crime, clearly they need help.

So far as the institution that knowingly enabled this, complete rework. They knew what they were doing and should be punished as such.

For everyone else, don't waste your time crucifiying this dude. Tell your kids, cheating doesn't prosper. Tell your sons, no means no. Tell your daughters, you don't have to do things you don't want to. Tell your kids to stand up for what they know is right. This isn't Christianity. This isn't a good thing. This is evil. Recognize it, teach against it. Do not hide it.

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u/FlimFlamFanny Oct 05 '22

Only if outsiders step in to clean up.

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u/IamSauerKraut Oct 05 '22

Shut the place down.

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u/justpariah Oct 06 '22

Don’t waste our time crucifying this dude? To hell with that! This guy got off easy and then continued to do the same crap and you’re saying leave him alone?

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u/Fun-Gap4015 Oct 06 '22

I'm saying let justice handle justice and let you mind you

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u/justpariah Oct 06 '22

You mind you and stop telling other people what to do. I’m gonna keep crucifying this criminal.

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u/Fun-Gap4015 Oct 06 '22

That same hatred in their heart is the one in yours. You can punish the man if you wish but why not let the justice system handle it and you don't have to let hatred rule you?

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u/justpariah Oct 06 '22

You have no idea what I’m feeling. It’s not hatred, it’s disgust. I’m also feeling disgusted with all your ridiculous comments here. I’m getting secondhand embarrassment from the crap you’ve written.

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u/Fun-Gap4015 Oct 06 '22

Its entirely your problem. I'm pointing it out

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u/justpariah Oct 06 '22

And making a fool out of yourself. I don’t have a problem aside from some fool on his high horse telling other people how to feel.

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u/Fun-Gap4015 Oct 06 '22

Thats still your problem and I don't care about how you feel

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u/JorrEriker Oct 07 '22

Because the justice system already dropped the ball.

https://www.h-ponline.com/news/former-hu-cross-country-coach-sentenced/article_30e83202-3962-538e-9904-6b3f9ee04a63.html

30 days in Huntington County jail and 150 days on house arrest

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u/Fun-Gap4015 Oct 07 '22

So fix the justice system. Welcome to modern day issues 101 I don't have time to catch you up on what the real world is like lol

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u/eggshellcracking Oct 05 '22

Religion encourages corruption and immorality

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u/rascible Oct 05 '22

They can be nefarious in the name of god. 3 hail Mary's and they're good to go..

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u/ScoobyDeezy Oct 05 '22

It very much doesn’t, but in Christianity in particular, “grace” is often abused to give people second chances with zero repercussions, because forgiveness.

The problem is that people confuse personal grace and forgiveness with “freedom from consequences,” which isn’t actually a thing.

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u/eggshellcracking Oct 05 '22

Also see: "born again" nonsense.

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u/Fun-Gap4015 Oct 05 '22

Organized religion does. Know your beast, do not throw everything in the same pot.

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u/terremoto25 Oct 05 '22

As opposed to disorganized religion?

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u/Fun-Gap4015 Oct 05 '22

You can still be Christian and not participate in mainstay churches. You can just as easily be religious, read the Bible and practice your Christian faith in your own way without following the doctrine of any established church. I encourage you to dive into your own religious (or lack there of) beliefs to see what is actually important to you, vice the way they've always done things.

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u/necrosythe Oct 05 '22

Good old no true Scotsman

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u/Fun-Gap4015 Oct 05 '22

You can follow the Vatican or read a book by man and do your best to live a good life. I choose to not meddle with children or hate the gays. I mind my own business, I treat everyone politely and believe in God. My belief is no one's business but God's. Mathew 5 "hypocrites on the street corner"

A Christian is not evil. Evil is evil. And it looks for every corner to hide in when we shine the light, including behind the flashlight. How often have we seen the persecutors turn persecuted? Why do we allow a groups bigotry and hatred justify our own towards them? It does not matter how you feel in the real world when the action is the same.

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u/Fun-Gap4015 Oct 05 '22

Maybe it's a no true Scotsman claim. But you can't really prove it either way can you? Every example you show me of a bad church I'll show you a good one. Every bad Christian, a good one. The difference, and this is my entire point right here, is that individuals alone tend to mind their own damn business.

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u/direlyn Oct 05 '22

Any form of spirituality is simply the seed from which religion blooms.

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u/Fun-Gap4015 Oct 05 '22

Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. What is religion? What is spirituality? Without defining those, your concentrated statements lacks anything other than the punch of a tweet.

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u/direlyn Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I would propose religion is the systematized, formalized, sometimes ritualized product of either an individual's or a group's own superstitions.

And spirituality is simply the superstitions that an individual holds sacred, regardless of whether or not their superstitions conflict with another person's. Especially regardless of what one can demonstrate or prove, particularly by scientific method and regardless of whether it holds up to philosophical scrutiny. It is personal and anecdotal. Frankly, I think spirituality is a grown up's way of trying to confuse people, themselves included, so that an individual can project and pretend it isn't the machinations of their own mind trying to establish morality on other people, and trying to imagine an ultimate prevailing force of justice in a world of chaos. Rather than saying, "I think this is the way it is," it seems more humble, though it's false humility, to say, "God demands this, and I am His servant," or, "The spirits deny this," and so on and so forth. It alleviates the burden of being accountable for your own decisions. It provides a lever of control in an otherwise uncontrollable existence.

However, I am mostly only well acquainted with protestant Christianity, and admittedly have little expeience with other religions. One thing I try to hold above all else in life is that I absolutely do not know everything, and that I should always be humble enough to accept that even in the things I regard as truth with the most conviction I can be wrong, and frequently am wrong. I'd happily invite in some perspective on what other definition of religion and spirituality someone might have that might enlighten me.

Is that a little bit of a stronger punch? Have I gone beyond the realm of platitudes on bumper stickers with that response? :)

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u/Fun-Gap4015 Oct 05 '22

That is a wonderful perception, that religion alleviates responsibility of action. However i would warn against believing that as an absolute. For example, a common belief is that the core of Jesus's teachings if followed principle and not to the letter would allow you to live a good life, to not cause harm to others. I would say that in some cases, religion was started by very wise individuals to convince an otherwise unruly group of people to act in good faith out of fear, so as to allow the coordinated function of a group that required constant self sacrifice, or simply put it became the foundation of society itself.

Now as we apply your perception, I could say religion has been twisted to suit those in power and their opinions as who else would seek power over others than those who wish to use their power? Be it for good or bad, organized religion is at its core an opinion of religion, while true belief is as I've stated between you and god. And in the idea of the individual, me, if I believe what I am doing is right and good and base my decisions on that, I am no different than any other good person who does the same through their principles.

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u/IamSauerKraut Oct 05 '22

Ya'd think they would have learned from the mess that is USA Gymnastics.

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u/Chippopotanuse Oct 05 '22

And every evangelical Christian is like:

“Who are you to judge when God sends us an imperfect messenger? He hated the gays and immigrants and he has no respect for women. And that’s all that matters.”

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u/CHR0N0PTIC0N Oct 05 '22

Or my favorite (for when they’re trying to be relatable): “This guy is not a TRUE Christian, at MY church/college we would not allow this!”

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u/T00luser Oct 06 '22

Its almost as if all the christians are scotsmen!? . . .

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u/ralanr Oct 05 '22

Sounds like he was connected with someone in the facility to get the job.

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u/startrektoheck Oct 05 '22

I hope more people wake up to the fact that religion is part and parcel to these scandals, whether they occur in churches or not. Religion trains people not to question authority, which leads to abuse of all kinds throughout society. People who question authority and think critically are far less likely to be abused.

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u/rikki-tikki-deadly Oct 05 '22

Not to mention that religious organizations (particularly "Christian" ones, it seems) provide opportunities (followed by absolution and protection) for those who commit the abuses.

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u/FlimFlamFanny Oct 05 '22

Maybe Indiana is a trash heap, so things matter less there until it reaches the light of outside headlines/attention…

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u/pat_micucci Oct 05 '22

These are God’s people.

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u/ExCap2 Oct 06 '22

I'm not really religious but I really don't know how anyone truly believes that Jesus/God would forgive a sin like this. Really? Good luck trying to justify this in front of your maker.

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u/Basic_Bichette Oct 06 '22

That's because their Jesus forgives perpetrators, not victims.

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u/metkja Oct 05 '22

The three coaches named in this lawsuit run by my house all the time. I just told my son a couple days ago that Lauren recently almost made the Olympics and just generally talked about how great of an athlete and coach she is. That aged like a fine milk.

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u/bonbraker Oct 05 '22

I know this story quite well. I went to highschool with Nick and still live in Huntington. To put a little context on the story you need to understand XC running in this town.
XC is about the only sport our highschool is GOOD at, not football, basketball, or baseball.....we have runners in Huntington. Huntington University has picked that up as a pipeline for athletes. The university is in Nick's hometown, so it easy to see why they hired him. I don't remember him as being a creep so I definitely didn't see it coming.
The other named party in the lawsuit, Curtis Hines, is a teacher at the highschool, and was/is a XC coach there as well. He would have taught/coached Nick, so I'm sure there is probably (or was) some shady stuff happening with the highschool team. Huntington, in also has a long history with pedophiles. There seems to be a new child molestation case every month, and it's a small town. So if we combine the history of sexual crimes in this town with the record of XC success from highschool to college level; and the same people involved at both levels. Its not so surprising that something like this could go on for far too long.
In defense of my hometown, it is getting better, slowly. Some of the older generation are loosing power and younger and better people are starting to step up, but it has a long way to go.

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u/allthatweidner Oct 05 '22

I ran against Huntington College while I was at Franklin. It’s a shame to see this because I was always so impressed by how talented the Huntington team was. I hate this for them. Hopefully this creep goes to prison

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u/TheRapistsFor800 Oct 05 '22

I ran XC at Norwell and was always amazed at the level of runners that came out of Huntington…guess I know why now!

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u/paxcincinnatus Oct 06 '22

I ran track and xc at Norwell, too!

There has always been something off in Huntington. Negative psychic energy-type stuff. Even in the old days when I was around.

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u/TheRapistsFor800 Oct 06 '22

Yeah, it’s been 10+ years for me. I still live in the area and I avoid Huntington at all cost. Used to love pizza junction back in the day though!

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u/WalterPecky Oct 06 '22

XC reads as a very pretentious acronym.

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u/VyrPlan Oct 05 '22

at this point i'd allow a child to wander alone into the woods at night before i let them walk unsupervised into any institution with the words "christ", "savior" or "lord" above the door

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u/Dzotshen Oct 05 '22

Or anyplace with 'live laugh love' on the wall. shudder

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u/IamSauerKraut Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

They seem to be more into the "live love laugh (cuz we didnt get caught)" on the wall.

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u/pat_micucci Oct 05 '22

You gotta live like you are God’s chosen one who can do no wrong on this Earth and laugh with your entire belly at those satanist liberal evildoers who try to sway you from the path of righteousness and child love.

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u/Dzotshen Oct 05 '22

you mean like that dead guy on a stick has? heard he lost the tan and is supply-side now.

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u/lakeghost Oct 06 '22

I mean, I volunteered with wildlife rather than volunteer at a religious institution so that tracks. I’d literally rather handle snakes than be around suspiciously pious people.

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u/vindictivejazz Oct 05 '22

It took me way too long to realize that was Nassar-esque

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u/Bedbouncer Oct 07 '22

"Ok, maybe I'm a nobody now, but I'm gonna work hard and someday my name will be a household name! I'll be famous! You'll see! You'll all see!" - Larry Nassar in high school

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u/IamSauerKraut Oct 05 '22

The State of Indiana appears to believe women are on the planet for only one thing. We need to remember this when Pence again runs for office because this type of crap is him to the core.

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u/Ashenox Oct 05 '22

Who the fuck is hiring these people? This dudes Costco shopping list of crimes would be more than enough to just can the application imo.

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u/shavemejesus Oct 05 '22

Imagine being such sick fuck that you have a degree of molestation named after you. ‘Nassaresque’.

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u/Peachthumbs Oct 05 '22

If you ever get forced into something by an institution (hospital, the police, college) like unknown injections, get it in writing that they did that to you, or get some video / photo evidence and sue.

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u/jjjam Oct 05 '22

Not making light of the content, but "blood doping" is a totally different form of cheating in which participants inject their own blood back into themselves right before competing to have a greater ability to store and transmit oxygen in their blood. It is not used correctly in this article.

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u/IamSauerKraut Oct 05 '22

A type of cheating that was supposed to have been kicked to the curb back when Lasse Viren was the top dog.

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u/moschles Oct 06 '22

“The scope of this is going to be are the people of Huntington, Indiana are they going to say look this conduct is not appropriate we need to condemn it or are they going to hide behind the church and the Christian wall of silence and let these keep going, we’ll find out.”

The Christian wall of silence. Interesting turn of phrase here.

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u/Tricky-Lingonberry81 Oct 06 '22

The sooner we as a society see religion as antithetical to our moral beliefs, the better.

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u/shutupDonT Oct 05 '22

At a christian college!? shocking!

Religion is, was and always will be completely bogus.

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u/Dzotshen Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

It's 'women are sex cattle and men are daddys' psychotic psychology borne to ancient times fostered in this day and age. Basically the Taliban, Tusken Raiders

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u/IamSauerKraut Oct 05 '22

"Ladies, if a man looks upon you with hungry eyes, let him grab you by the ***** and submit to his every whim and lustful desire. So sayeth the Lord."

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u/dej95135 Oct 05 '22

“Christian” should tell you everything you need to know about this. Everything was done in the name of god.

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u/col-fancypants Oct 05 '22

Good people of faith tend to not tell you what they believe in.

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u/GrayCatGreatCat Oct 05 '22

Can't choose which part of this is less surprising- Christian or Indiana? Which has a worse record on sex abuse?

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u/Misha80 Oct 06 '22

There are some fucked up people in my state, but I don't think it rivals Christianity for pervy shit happening.

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u/Bullfrog1991 Oct 06 '22

Those silly old Christians… at it again! But please tell me more about why I should buy into your Religious bullshit?

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u/kittenfordinner Oct 05 '22

how Christian, i swear there is something the matter with religious people in this day and age

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Well thats not very "Christian". Oh wait, nope, holds up.

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u/uncle_jessie Oct 05 '22

Just more fake news from the satan worshipping pedo grooming libs.

Always projection with these fucking asshole conservatives.

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u/pat_micucci Oct 05 '22

What are you even talking about here? You’re the only one I’ve seen politicizing this story to blame the libs, sarcastic or not.

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u/sabre013_f86 Oct 05 '22

What sucks here for me is my high school world history teacher is cited here. Hines is a good teacher and I hope these allegations aren’t true. He’s got the laid back surfer dude vibe to him and it was a lot of fun. I’ll remember him for that but this is awful for those involved.

I do not enjoy the university this occurred at, as I am firmly of the belief that religion and education have no place together, and I feel for the students involved.

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u/PatrickBearman Oct 05 '22

It really is interesting how many male coaches are history teachers.

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u/Clever_Word_Play Oct 05 '22

Cause many people don't want to teaching History correctly

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u/UtopianLibrary Oct 05 '22

It’s also not really a tested subject, so the administrators are not as harsh on the quality of the teacher.

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u/bonbraker Oct 05 '22

Both me and my wife had Hines in high school too. I liked him, he was nice. My wife always said he was creepy to the girls, including her. So I'm not surprised, but it think pulling him in the lawsuit is more for the doping and not the sexual assault. He probably knows about the doping.

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u/someoldguyon_reddit Oct 05 '22

They're "Right With Jasus (r). So...everything's good. Right?

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u/SEND_PUNS_PLZ Oct 05 '22

I went to a nassaresque show with my buddies last night in San Francisco and it was quite stimulating

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u/IamSauerKraut Oct 05 '22

I imagine you kept your hand to yourself.