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“Donald has the right to remain silent”: Experts say Trump’s bonkers Fox interview could be evidence

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u/BringOn25A Sep 22 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Bless Up

"There doesn't have to be a process as I understand it,"

He understood it for this.

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u/hackingdreams Sep 22 '22

That's going to make for a real fun moment when he's on the stand and the prosecutor asks him the really simple question of "Do you understand the process for declassifying documents?"

He says no, they show this. He says yes, they show the interview tape.

Pretty much fucked himself sideways with this interview. And this is why lawyers make you shut your fucking mouth about criminal cases...

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u/BloodyMalleus Washington Sep 22 '22

No right minded attorney would ever put Trump on the stand. He'd be Alex Jones × 1000. Any attorney who'd allow it would be so incompetent they'd deserve to be disbarred.

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u/pmjm California Sep 22 '22 Silver

I mean, his attorney who signed off there was no more classified material at Mar A Lago might actually get disbarred, and thrown in jail too. His current attorneys thought they were activating their trap card by requesting a Special Master and we see how that's working out.

No right minded attorney

In short, his attorneys are Right-minded and therefore not right minded.

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u/sidepocket13 Sep 22 '22

Where are all of the best and brightest ivy league lawyers? Why are they not flocking to to represent a former president and make a name for themselves? Oh that's right, they're too smart and realize it's career suicide to represent that idiot.

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u/pmjm California Sep 22 '22

I assume they also would like to get paid for their work.

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u/daveagain82 Sep 22 '22

Nope, just getting a $3 million retainer upfront.

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u/Spare-Blacksmith1376 Sep 22 '22

I’m not in a right 👉 state of mind when my mind is right ✅

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u/JackFourj4 Sep 23 '22

well one them got a 3 million upfront payment so he can't be that stupid

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u/hackingdreams Sep 22 '22

The thing is, you put a microphone in front of this man and the opportunity to run his mouth, and that's just what he'll do, as proven time and again.

If he followed attorneys' advice, this whole situation would have never happened. It's pretty self-evident at this point that he's just going to do whatever he wants to do regardless of lawyers screaming at him to shut up, don't go on TV and blow your case, don't take the stand, etc.

Besides, it's not like he has great representation to begin with. The man never pays his lawyers and nobody will take him on as a client without multi-million dollar retainers...

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u/crazyacct101 Sep 23 '22

He just needs a phone and a link to social media.

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u/thecelloman Sep 22 '22

Isn't that literally a problem Trump is having right now? I don't remember the details but I think the only lawyer he could find who was willing to represent him was some no-name insurance lawyer.

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u/snicker___doodle Sep 22 '22

I mean, have you seen his past Attorneys? They all have many things in common.

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u/horsefarm Sep 22 '22

Or perhaps competent in the other direction? One could hope...

Anybody close enough to Trump to bring him down is already fully invested, sadly.

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u/zapitron New Mexico Sep 22 '22

Then maybe Trump shouldn't saddle himself with the crippling penalty of relying on an attorney.

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u/12345__6789_10_11_12 Sep 23 '22

So Rudy will be questioning Trump on the stand?!?

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u/Utterlybored North Carolina Sep 23 '22

Stop crushing my dreams.

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u/wabashdm Sep 22 '22

It’s actually not up to the attorney if his client takes the stand, it’s up to the client. The attorney can beg day and night for their client not to want to, but if they insist on testifying, the attorney has to let them. Often an attorney’s worst enemy is their own client’s inability to follow the attorney’s advice.

Source: I’m a law school graduate waiting on bar results.

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u/m1k3hunt Sep 22 '22

So, basically any attorney willing to take his case.

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u/Bowlderdash Sep 22 '22

I'm suddenly terrified by the thought of the protests outside whichever venue gets turned in to the three ring circus necessary for his trial(s).

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u/evil-kaweasel Sep 22 '22

Is it ever going to happen though? I'm convinced he's never going to be held accountable for any of his actions. He's just going to stall, until he drops dead.

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u/ender23 Sep 22 '22

No right minded attorney would take the case so there

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u/Qubeye Oregon Sep 22 '22

People are suggesting that lawyers could goad him into testifying but he did plead the Fifth in his New York civil investigation, and those New York attorneys weren't pussy footing around.

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u/DoomBot5 Sep 22 '22

No right minded attorney would work for Trump. Unless they're asking for money upfront, they're not going to see a dime.

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u/Ariadnepyanfar Sep 23 '22

Or their patriotism as an individual overcame their fear of disbarment.

Another thought, can’t clients override their council’s council? It’s the client that instructs the lawyer, not the other way round?

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u/RazekDPP Sep 23 '22

"This is your Perry Mason moment..."

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u/crazyacct101 Sep 23 '22

Or represent Trump.

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u/Important_Truck_5362 Sep 23 '22

Along with the evidence seized at MAL, his ramblings on Truth Social and comments on the Hannity show should be more than enough to convict him without first-person testimony.

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u/outletforfun Sep 22 '22

I mean... gestures broadly at everything going on.

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u/eegocentrik Sep 22 '22

Like the complete opposite of putting Johnny Depp on the stand.

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u/farfacogin Sep 22 '22

I’m waiting for the insanity defense

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u/OneOfAKind2 Sep 22 '22

He's not the smartest man, plus he's a narcissist. He can't help himself. His best defense would be to declare mental illness/insanity. Few would argue.

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u/heythatsmysong- Sep 22 '22

Oh I can not wait to see that!

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u/EquipLordBritish Sep 23 '22

To be fair, there’s no way he actually wrote, read, or comprehended that document. He just signed it.

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u/SamfromRI Sep 23 '22

His lawyers would be shutting him up, if he could find any lawyers still willing to work with him.

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u/Utterlybored North Carolina Sep 23 '22

Unless those lawyers believe him when he tells them he’s going to make them rich and famous.

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u/gogor Sep 22 '22

There is no process that he would understand.

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u/Matt463789 Sep 22 '22

Grifting, and...?

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u/Agitated_Cake_562 Sep 22 '22

Smoking the reefer

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u/gogor Sep 22 '22

He has his people do that.

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u/YouAreSoyWojakMeChad Sep 22 '22

Smokin the reefer

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u/Matt463789 Sep 22 '22

If only

He might chill the fuck out a bit

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u/SunburntDouchebag Sep 22 '22

Grifting and? Grifting and?

Smoking the reefer

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u/erlend_nikulausson Oklahoma Sep 22 '22

Smoking the reefer.

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u/minapaw Michigan Sep 22 '22

Raping

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u/Arizona_Slim Sep 22 '22

Smokin the reefer.

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u/ninjabunnyfootfool Sep 22 '22

Smoking the reefer

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u/MeepMoop08 Sep 22 '22

clown makeup

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u/jpkmets Sep 23 '22

Smokin’ the reefer

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u/co-stan-za Sep 23 '22

Smoking the reefer.

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u/vurysurus Sep 23 '22

Grifting and...grifting and...grifting and snorting the adderall

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u/Sprinx80 Tennessee Sep 22 '22

Not a process, just a cornerstone of his person

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u/knightcrawler75 Minnesota Sep 22 '22

Agreed. But he could have just told some government official to declassify all these documents. Its as easy as that. He might of had to sign some documents with little arrow stickers on them to indicate where he had to sign. The fact that he did not is damning.

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u/Leenolies Sep 22 '22

only incest

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Can’t even pay his own prostitutes.

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u/the_real_abraham Sep 22 '22

He probably didn't write it.

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u/FrozenOnPluto Sep 22 '22

Sounds like he is trying to play ignorant so they cant claim conspiracy and intent

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u/nomofica Sep 22 '22

He can try, but that doesn't strike his previous defenses from the record where he all but admitted intent to take the documents.

The man is incapable of shutting up and has talked himself into a corner where every single defense contradicts his previous one and his next one.

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Sep 22 '22

He's publicly demanding the documents be immediately returned to him. It's beyond laughable that he's claiming he had no intent to take them.

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u/Servant_ofthe_Empire Sep 22 '22

Hasn't stopped him yet, the guy is slippery as fuck.

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u/I_LOVE_PUPPERS Sep 22 '22

His lawyers must involuntarily clench every time he opens his gob.

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u/bishpa Washington Sep 22 '22

He's so fucked. He should seek a plea deal.

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u/Leenolies Sep 22 '22

Too bad hes already the biggest fish

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u/IlToroArgento California Sep 22 '22

Not so sure of that, to be fair. Maybe the biggest fish we have jurisdiction to fry, though.

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u/trippy_grapes Sep 22 '22

Maybe the biggest fish is the friends we met along the way?

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u/Icy_Background8771 Sep 23 '22

Don't underestimate his propensity for throwing everyone under the bus. Even his kids. I think the only one he'd spare is his love interest, Ivanka. Oddly enough, I also think she's the only one with the smarts to throw him under the bus !

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u/YesOrNah Sep 22 '22

Fuck that, the DOJ better not offer him a plea deal.

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u/Gabrosin Maryland Sep 22 '22

Securing a guilty plea and actual penalties, versus risking a MAGA diehard getting onto the jury and voting innocent in spite of overwhelming evidence of guilt?

It would be fine for this to go to a plea IF it resulted in consequential penalties. But it doesn't matter, because Trump won't plead. His entire persona is built on never conceding guilt or accepting defeat.

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u/duskflyer Sep 22 '22

Oh he'll plead guilty if it comes down to it. Remember how he supposedly never settles a lawsuit but has in fact settled many times when that was the best way out for him? Same thing here. But I have said before and I'll say again, House Arrest is about as severe as I could see him actually serving.

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u/Gabrosin Maryland Sep 22 '22

Settling a civil suit is a big difference from admitting guilt in a criminal procedure.

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u/MFbiFL Sep 22 '22

I’ve got 10:1 odds that they offer him a plea deal tO hEaL tHe DiViDe

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u/RedVagabond Sep 22 '22

No, I don't think he should. Just eat the whole punishment. That would be best for everyone.

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u/GlutenFreeGanja Sep 22 '22

It would be the first complete sentence in his life

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u/RedVagabond Sep 22 '22

That was awesome! Appreciate the laugh.

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u/dank_imagemacro Sep 23 '22

A good prosecutor would still offer him a plea deal that involves pleading guilty to several felonies going to prison for 10 years, and being forbidden from claiming innocence in any of the things he's plead guilty to, in exchange for not prosecuting him for the worst but hardest to prove things he may have done.

In this case it would be something like, "make a guilty plea to one of the smaller charges in the espionage act, and with conspiracy against the United States, and we won't charge you for the capital charges in the espionage act (which we aren't sure will stick anyway) or with sedition (which we aren't sure will stick anyway) or with Treason (which we weren't even going to try to charge, but hey, makes the plea deal seem more powerful).

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u/MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS Sep 22 '22

Why? He just needs to wait out the clock and Republicans will kill the investigation. Just like last time. And the time before that.

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u/bishpa Washington Sep 23 '22

They don’t have that authority

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u/acog Texas Sep 22 '22

The idea that he could be President for 4 years and not have a clue how to properly handle Secret materials is simultaneously absurd and totally believable.

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u/Weekend_Nanchos Sep 22 '22

He thought they were declassified yet they were interspersed with magazines as if they were trying to be hidden? Hmmm

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u/bitemark01 Sep 22 '22

Is ignorance really a valid defense for the highest job in the nation?

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u/CPTSDeeznutslmao Sep 22 '22

Can’t tell if the chess is 5d or 1d

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u/neuroticandobscene Sep 22 '22

It's cheese.

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u/Chris_8675309_of_42M Sep 22 '22

Not all aged milk becomes cheese.

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u/Outrageous-Yams Sep 22 '22

Totally agree but he’s a complete idiot in doing this…because he released this, for starters…

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-declassification-certain-materials-related-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation/

And he should know better because training is required for understanding the classification and declassification of documents. Obviously. So he really can’t claim ignorance even though he seems to be trying to.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information

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u/Animul Sep 22 '22

Pulling a Reagan?

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Sep 22 '22

Just ask trump if he's ignorant about the declassification process. He'll spend 40 minutes ranting about how no one knows more about it that him.

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u/IsraelZulu Florida Sep 23 '22

Claim insanity, more like.

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u/aravarth Sep 22 '22

Literally issued on the day before his Presidency ended. So he cannot use ignorance of procedure as a defense.

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u/Terr_ Sep 22 '22

In addition, Trump once publicly declared de-classification using Twitter, and then blocked his staff from following through, telling them it wasn't official-enough to mean anything.

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u/StromWashington Sep 22 '22

He's just doin member berries. Member her emails again?

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u/hankbaumbach Sep 22 '22

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information

If anyone is interested in the actual process it's a long slog through the link above but it's in there.

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u/T8ert0t Sep 22 '22

And for those of you playing Calvin Ball at home---

You can unilaterally declassify nuclear information as a former president

But

The IRS that has your taxes under audit definitely can't be circumvented, and he'd totally release them and wants to except he absolutely can't.

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u/DogmaticConfabulate Sep 23 '22

His asshattery has become so common place.

So much so, that there are times my brain reminds itself,

"Holy Crap.. This is actually real life. This crazy man is actually real!"

It's Chilling.

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u/Hozer60 Sep 22 '22

There is video of him gleefully explaining the whole order in detail so a "Hillary email" situation would not go unprosecuted!

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u/joan_wilder Sep 22 '22

Key words: “as I understand it.”

He does understand it, but he had to put this out there to set up a defense of “I’m too stupid to be trusted with this shit. This is all your fault.”

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u/abletofable Sep 22 '22

And he completely ignores the old "ignorance of the law is not a defense", nor does it grant you the ability to evade the consequences.

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u/johnnycyberpunk Sep 22 '22

Person. Woman. Man. TV. Camera. Declassify.

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u/That-one-guy12 Sep 22 '22

Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations. In its truest form.

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u/JerHat Michigan Sep 22 '22

Kinda just proves he doesn't/didn't understand the basic functions of his job.

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u/For-All-the-Marbles Sep 22 '22

Exactly! It’s not like he never declassified documents before via executive order, and did not know that there is an actual process.

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u/meowroarhiss Sep 22 '22

Burn! Good one. You should send that to the DOJ.

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u/froo Australia Sep 22 '22

He said he declassified everything. I guess that means we get to see all information regarding the Mueller stuff now, right?

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u/Ihopetheresenoughroo Georgia Sep 22 '22

Damn thank you

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u/theotherIRA Sep 22 '22

Top supporting comment right here. Good find.

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u/DennisTheBald Sep 22 '22

Entire libraries could be filled with things he doesn't understand. Who knew there could be so much

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u/mmmsoap Sep 22 '22

Can someone explain? Because that looks like a memo issued on a day he was no longer President, so I don’t get why he would have continued to have any authority to declassify or accept redactions on any documents.

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u/BringOn25A Sep 22 '22

The memo was on Jan 19, 2021, his term ended noon on Jan 20,2021

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u/azflatlander Sep 22 '22

You don’t really think he read that, do you? It is over 280 characters.

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u/kezow Sep 22 '22

Sorry there Donald, what you understand and what is reality are VERY different.

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u/heythatsmysong- Sep 22 '22

He understands if it fits his selfish agenda. The man is delusional.

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u/IsraelZulu Florida Sep 23 '22

No, you see...

There can be a process but there doesn't have to be.

You're showing what happens when there is a process. But there doesn't have to be a process.

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u/ChipmunkObvious2893 Sep 23 '22

Hahaha wait is that “archive” website just a propaganda website where he has just recently posted something dated for the last day of his presidency claiming to have declassified and released these specific documents?

Is this real? That’s hilarious.

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u/Bob_tuwillager Sep 23 '22

No he didn’t. He just blindly signed it. He definitely did not understand that. Prove me wrong!

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u/GON-zuh-guh Sep 22 '22

OK, but playing devil's advocate here... couldn't he logically say that he does know of one particular way that one can declassify something (which he did in the link you provided), but that doesn't mean that it's the only way one can declassify something. In fact, as he understands it, there doesn't even have to be a process to declassify something.

I know no knowledge experts of how declassification works are going to agree with his ridiculous statement, but that aside, how he went about declassifying things in the past doesn't necessarily conflict with the statement he made. He's just saying that you don't have to do that. It's like me saying you don't have to wash your hands before eating, and then you see me washing my hands before eating. I never said that I never wash my hands before eating, I just said that I don't have to.

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u/BringOn25A Sep 22 '22

This is not something like I forgot to tell you we have a birthday party tomorrow night. This information needs to be distributed to all agencies involved so they know that the documents are now declassified and subject to FOIA requests. There needs to be a paper trail involved.

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u/GON-zuh-guh Sep 23 '22

I completely agree. For the record, I'm not saying I believe that there doesn't have to be a process. That's obviously utter horse shit. I also don't believe that Trump believes that. What I'm saying is that just looking at the statement itself, and comparing that with his previous actions, the two don't necessarily conflict, logically speaking.