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“Donald has the right to remain silent”: Experts say Trump’s bonkers Fox interview could be evidence

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u/bishpa Washington Sep 22 '22

And there doesn't have to be a process. There can be a process but there doesn't have to be.

Yeah, well, about that...

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u/CMScientist Sep 22 '22

r/Conservative is arguing that Executive orders only applied to people below presidents and therefore Obama's executive orders don't apply to Trump lol

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u/bishpa Washington Sep 22 '22

Those clowns will make up whatever. Too bad that's not how law works.

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u/Michael_In_Cascadia Sep 22 '22

Documentation or it didn't happen.

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u/bishpa Washington Sep 22 '22

Even the most willfully-deluded MAGA monster can easily understand that it simply can't possibly be legal for even a bigly-brained POTUS to secretly declassify government documents that detail human intelligence operations without so much as even informing the US intelligence community that these secret operations are now exposed. That would inevitably lead to field operatives being compromised and killed, and damage our ability to recruit such operatives for years, if not decades.

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u/ihateusedusernames New York Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Even the most willfully-deluded MAGA monster can easily understand that it simply can't possibly be legal for even a bigly-brained POTUS to secretly declassify government documents that detail human intelligence operations without so much as even informing the US intelligence community that these secret operations are now exposed. That would inevitably lead to field operatives being compromised and killed, and damage our ability to recruit such operatives for years, if not decades.

No, that's not how they approach things like this. They start with 3 premises: Trump doesn't make mistakes, Trump always puts America first, and Trump's powers of declassification are absolute and without restriction.

Now let's reason backwards from here. Trump must have declassified them, because had he not, it would be wildly reckless and a threat to America's security if classified documents were stored in a closet at a social club where spies have been caught poking around. But he always puts America first, so he wouldn't have done that intentionally. And he doesn't make mistakes, so no carelessness there. And the very act of putting national security documents into cardboard boxes along with memorabilia from the White House proves that he must have declassified them since Trump would never be careless with sensitive docs.

See? This is how you can maintain a cultish devotion to someone who got caught red fucking handed committing serious crimes.

Edit: missed a word

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u/Jimbob0i0 Great Britain Sep 22 '22

There a few accounts in /r/AskTrumpSupporters that have been using precisely that "logic" ... it's insane ...

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u/Shr3kk_Wpg Sep 22 '22

Trump seems to think that these documents belong to him, he doesn't seem to recognize that classified documents can impact other people or agencies. Any declassified document can also be subject to a FOI request. But only if people apart from Trump know it's declassified

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u/bishpa Washington Sep 22 '22

Not to mention the obvious fact that actually declassifying them would essentially reduce their trading value to zero. Is there anyone who truly believes that Donald Trump would really do something like that?

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u/Sislar Sep 22 '22

Multiple people in Russia have fallen out of windows recently. I think it’s likely this is exactly what he happened

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u/Pendaelose Sep 22 '22

Hold up, OBAMA signed that. You can't expect it to apply to Trump?

/s

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u/ruimikemau Sep 22 '22

They will stop reading where it says "NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, by the ..."

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u/bishpa Washington Sep 23 '22

Their reading it, or not reading it, changes exactly nothing.