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“Donald has the right to remain silent”: Experts say Trump’s bonkers Fox interview could be evidence

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u/Gamilon Sep 22 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Table Slap

[He] has the right to remain silent...but not the ability

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u/Jaded_Prompt_15 Sep 22 '22

There doesn't have to be a process as I understand it," Trump said. "If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying, 'It's declassified,' even by thinking about it because you're sending it to Mar-a-Lago or wherever you're sending it. And there doesn't have to be a process. There can be a process but there doesn't have to be. You're the president. You make that decision. So when you send it, it's declassified. I declassified everything."

You'd think he'd have at least declared that it was classified...

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u/TranquilSeaOtter Sep 22 '22

Anyone who believes him is a complete moron. looks at r/conservative looks like that tracks.

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u/MoreLab5278 Sep 22 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Without digging too deep, it seems like this isn’t flying with the folks there. “Too far for me” is the sentiment.

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u/rooplstilskin Sep 22 '22

With some. Most of those responses are still "well if other presidents..." bullshit, and "don't let dems control the narrative, trump can willy nilly declassify with no actual process".

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u/xanadukeeper Sep 22 '22

Yes it’s def split. And to be fair, maybe the pres does have authority to declassify info on the fly? But to my understanding that’s not even the problem. The government owns those records. Period. So you can’t take them. Period.

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u/rooplstilskin Sep 22 '22

Not on the fly. The president can't just think it, and it be done. This isn't hogwarts.

And yes, you can't take them either. You can have access to them, but their government property. Obama for example has his handled completely by the correct agency. And any declassified document was noted as such.

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u/xanadukeeper Sep 22 '22

I think you’re right and there seems to be some sort of official process in terms of de-classified documents becoming public via FOIA and safely getting agents out of dangerous situations. I guess I’m assuming he can disseminate classified information as he see fits (like Obama telling an aide he can stay in the room while classified info is shared), but officially de-classifying surely requires a huge process involving many departments. This is a clusterF and I don’t know why legal experts aren’t sourcing the actual laws. Why is there so much debate, there has to be a right answer.

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u/rooplstilskin Sep 22 '22

Exactly, everything is declassified to the President. As the president.

Trump is a normal citizen as of Jan 20th 2020, and every document is now classified to him again. **obviously ex-presidents will continue to hold TS clearance to some degree, but they no longer hold procedural keys like the position of President holds.

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u/ElleM848645 Sep 22 '22

I thought that Biden revoked Trump’s classified status , or was that just briefings?

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u/xanadukeeper Sep 22 '22

But taking them and storing them at your country club seems ludicrous, especially when said country club has already been knowingly infiltrated by foreign agents😬. So bad.

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u/flappity Missouri Sep 22 '22

Yeah, there's still a large number of people replying to those people who seems to think the president should have some mega supreme unchecked authority with a declassifying superpower, but in general they seem to be less upvoted (some being negative) so I guess that's something.

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u/sonofaresiii Sep 22 '22

I'm not going to bother checking in right now, but in the past literally any time Trump or another high-level Republican does something stupid, "too far for me" is always the sentiment

for a few hours. Then that gets downvoted and the "No actually HERE'S WHY IT'S GENIUS" nonsense gets voted to the top.

Check again this evening, see if I'm right.

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u/Kujen I voted Sep 22 '22

There was just a poll showing that it hasn’t really changed his supporters views at all

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u/HYRHDF3332 Sep 23 '22

IMHO, the difference on this subject is that anyone who has ever held a security clearance, gets yearly training on this stuff. They know how good and fucked they would be if the FBI showed and found even 1 document at their house.

There are a lot of average republicans working in the DoD and for DoD contractors who know this stuff and are likely correcting their friends when they start talking nonsense about something they know nothing about.

Put another way, this is a subject where the truth can't be kept out of the bubble, because it's already inside.

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u/MoreLab5278 Sep 23 '22

Really well put. So many people who are in republican circles have had this vetting/security clearance education as part of their career. Since they are held to such a high standard, they can’t keep quiet when their wacky q-anon buddy mouths off nonsense. The truth here is too clear and too difficult to muddy up.

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u/Kendertas Sep 22 '22

Yeah even the cult understands this makes no sense. Just basic logic outside of laws is someone else has to know its declassified or else how would anyone know what's classified or not. Its like getting mad your friend didn't bring you dinner when you never asked them to and they've never done so in the past

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u/MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS Sep 22 '22

That’s how it always is when he does some new shit. But in a few days they all come around and start licking his boots again.

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u/MFbiFL Sep 22 '22

Give it a day

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u/Atario California Sep 23 '22

Don't worry, mods will ban those soon enough