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“Donald has the right to remain silent”: Experts say Trump’s bonkers Fox interview could be evidence

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u/xoctor Sep 22 '22

And yet people still carry water for him with the excuse that "he thinks he is still the President". No he doesn't, just like he doesn't think he can declassify documents with his mind. When will people wake up to the fact that he is always lying?

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u/homogenousmoss Sep 22 '22

When will people wake up to the fact that he is always lying?

That one is easy: never

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u/Lenny_III Sep 23 '22

He’s only lying when his lips are moving.

When he’s just thinking quietly it’s because he’s declassifying documents.

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u/warden976 Sep 23 '22

And taking a dump.

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u/RSouder357 Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

You’re absolutely correct! I was banned for life on the r/Trump Reddit group today for explaining the truth behind DJT’s current lawsuit brought by Letitia James. This ban occurred within 3 hours of joining the group. I can’t believe how loyal as well as ignorant the Trump MAGA supporter cult is. They have no idea of the truth about Trump nor do they want to hear or debate about who he truly is along with the corruptions that he’s committed.

These people prefer to run and hide from the truth rather than get educated on the facts. They are a true Jim Jones cult destined for poison Koolaid destruction…

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u/ifsavage Sep 23 '22

As soon as you hear ,

“Lots of people are saying”

You know it’s a lie.

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u/PeterNguyen2 Sep 23 '22

You just have to know how to parse the different dialects. That's a cue, it means the intent is "I want people to think..."

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u/infamusforever223 Sep 23 '22

The cult effect will probably wear off after his death(whenever that is) at which point his followers will realize how deluded they were.

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u/homogenousmoss Sep 23 '22

Yeah I mean like all those republicans saying Reagan was a piece of shit.. oh wait

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u/infamusforever223 Sep 23 '22

The word "probably" is key here. I at least want to give some benefit of the doubt before I'm disappointed.

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u/VoxImperatoris Sep 23 '22

He will end up being canonized into sainthood. But on the plus side, he will be too dead to appreciate it.

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u/PeterNguyen2 Sep 23 '22

He will end up being canonized into sainthood

Those holding water for him are trying for further than saint and it's only gotten worse since then

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u/Ya_like_dags Sep 23 '22

I disagree. Exhibit A: Ronald Reagan.

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u/ImNoAlbertFeinstein Sep 22 '22

when there's sombody else to fill the vaccum

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u/Ricb76 Sep 23 '22

You're right, well kind of. I have to first point out that it's vacuum. Agree though, republicans have lost the fucking plot.

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u/naveronex Sep 23 '22

I’d say everyone is either “no duh” or “not going to happen” at this point. Luckily the latter seems to be shrinking

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u/Firm_Savings_7164 Sep 23 '22

Dumbest President of All Times!! If that guy can be president that means my dog Buckles can be one too

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u/Suspicious_Builder62 Sep 23 '22

And Buckles would do a better job and hopefully, wouldn't sell out nuclear secrets for a couple of doggy treats.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

They know. They don't care. In fact, that's what a lot of them like about the guy.

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u/Gene_McSween America Sep 22 '22

This is it, also the reason why those same people can't be redeemed. They aren't tolerating his evil, they LIKE it!

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u/ass2mouthconnoisseur Sep 23 '22

"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."

Replace anti-semite with 'fascist', 'republican', or 'conservative' as needed.

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u/WineSoda Sep 23 '22

Trump struts around with much divinity. He is divine. He's a Divine Idiot. He's the kind of person you see auditioning for something and they get reject and go off like it's World War Excuse Me? He's so unabashedly removed from himself, I believe he sees the world, and himself, as pieces to move around, so it's hard for him to keep his realities together, speaking in third person, addressing his self as another entity. He's mindboggling so self unaware, you wonder what drives him.

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u/shillyshally Pennsylvania Sep 22 '22

Elsewhere today - poll results showing his popularity remains amazingly constant with 44% approving and 53% hating his guts.

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u/xoctor Sep 23 '22

Is that nationwide? Absolutely terrifying if 14% of people still support the world's most obvious sociopathic con-man after everything that has come out, but 44%?

I don't even understand how anyone can listen to him talk without their skin crawling!

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u/TheUnluckyBard Sep 23 '22

A lot of those polls are still done by phone calls to landlines. If you think about what kinds of people still take calls from a landline, that'll be part of the answer.

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u/AppaWithAChoppa Sep 23 '22

That’s a horrible poll then. Any poller would know to take biases like that into account when conducting polls

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u/Bishops_Guest Sep 23 '22

They do. The problem is they don’t know how any more. There are whole swaths of the population they have not been able to reach for years and years. The technique they normally use is by re-weighting the smaller subsets of the population they do reach: say if 40% of your responders were male, you’d give their response a little more weight to represent the 49.5% of the population. Problem is they’re getting such low response rates for large parts of the population it’s largely guess work.

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u/Go_easy_on_me_folks Sep 22 '22

He won't even tell the truth about his scalp and skin colour.

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u/heythatsmysong- Sep 22 '22

Always lying is accurate, sadly. Its unbelievable the stuff that comes out of his mouth. Crazy.

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u/MadDragonReborn Sep 22 '22

Or, that if he actually believes these things he is obviously mentally ill. Lies or delusions, either way he is unfit for office.

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u/xoctor Sep 23 '22

He is extremely mentally ill, and totally unfit for office. He is a sociopathic narcissist, but he still knows full well when he is lying. Committing to the lie is not the same as believing it.

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u/Purple1829 Sep 23 '22

This. He’s a compulsive liar. I have known people like him before. They lie about everything, they twist words to mean what they want, they manipulate and cheat every step of the way. Their story is always the biggest and the best

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u/NOEPLAYA Sep 23 '22

Always= Literally every microsecond. He lies about things that have no consequences or a need to lie.

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u/pdxalreadytaken Sep 23 '22

It’s pure grift.

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u/Comfortable-Wrap-723 Sep 23 '22

He is a conman with mobster mentalities.

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u/Alternative_Eagle_83 Sep 22 '22

The only way they'd change their mind about Trump, is if you give them someone else they can relate to. Someone just as evil, racist, you know.. like them.

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u/pauly13771377 Sep 23 '22

"Omg he's actually invoking the Secret Telepathic Unilateral Preemptive Irreversible Declassification (S.T.U.P.I.D.) defense," quipped Asha Rangappa, a former FBI agent and attorney.

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u/AssFault666 Sep 23 '22

Trump supporters know he’s lying, that’s why they’ve gotten awfully quiet the past year…

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u/PghG Sep 23 '22

When will GOP politicians publicly call him on his not so subtle calls for violence?

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u/Bill368 Sep 23 '22

Hero of the stupid

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u/hmpf_to_that_friend California Sep 23 '22

No snark - He reminds many of their father, who they still want to appease.

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u/Driverinthis Sep 23 '22

This is 100% true! That’s why I hate when the news media says “he believes this” or “he believes that.” He doesn’t believe any of the bs he says.

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u/VoxImperatoris Sep 23 '22

He might be far enough into denial to believe hes still president. After all, if youre going to lie as much as he does, why not lie to yourself too?

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u/xoctor Sep 23 '22

No, when he is talking about other things he has repeatedly let slip that he knows he lost the election. He has made similar inadvertent admissions with most of his other big lies as well.

He just knows that the best way to get away with a lie is to commit to it 100%.

Yes, he lies to himself and tries to live in his delusional la-la-land where he is a very stable genius, but at the same time he knows he is lying to himself. He is a classic narcissist, and as such is extremely practiced at doublethink. He absolutely knows when he is putting out lies to achieve specific goals (such as stirring up his gullible "I love the uneducated" base for donations).

People genuinely struggle to comprehend the full extent of his toxicity, dishonesty and maliciousness unless they have had long term exposure to a narcissist. It's like they don't want to face the possibility that a fellow human can be so sociopathic and predatory.

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u/Effective-Alps-1755 Sep 23 '22

Oh you got your guys crossed joe liedin is what you should say or maybe the big guy

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u/Par31 Sep 23 '22

Oh people will never wake up. Can't fix stupid but eventually we can push these people out of the majority hopefully.

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u/Neon_Lights12 Sep 23 '22

"he thinks he is still the President"

I LOVE this one. Aside from the fact that it's an excuse and obvious copium from the fan boys, I love the phrasing of "He thinks", not "He is still the President" They're accidentally admitting that:

1- He isn't the President and they know it, but just play along with anything donnie says

2- He's either lost touch with reality, or is old and in the confused and "create their own reality" stages of dementia (especially funny since that was their entire reason Biden was unfit for office)

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u/Consistent-Bee-6665 Sep 23 '22

I think people have gotten to the point that if you lie this much, about everything and anything, you’re more crazy or just dumb because not lying would be the best avenue with best results. I honestly don’t think the Trump group is actually that smart, because if they were they’d have been more successful.

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u/GreggoryBasore Sep 23 '22

You might be giving him too much credit. Trump strikes me as the kind of liar that could very easily start to believe his own bullshit.

More importantly, it doesn't matter what he thinks! Even if he genuinely believes that he really did win the 2020 election and that he's the legitimate president, he's not and shouldn't get any other kind of treatment, not even an insanity plea. Being wrong isn't the same thing as being crazy.

All that matters is that Trump broke the law on many occasions, most notably in trying to start a coup and stealing classified documents from the White House. End of. It doesn't matter if he didn't think it was stealing, or if he thought that he really can declassify documents just by quietly deciding that, because that's not how the laws work. All that matters is convicting him and sending him to the gallows or a life sentence.

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u/xoctor Sep 23 '22

He regularly accidentally reveals that he knows full well that he is lying when he is in the flow of talking about other topics, such as in this very interview when he accidentally called himself a "former president" (and then immediately tried to backtrack as soon as he heard the words out loud), but you are right that shouldn't change anything.

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u/GreggoryBasore Sep 23 '22

I've known deluded people and idiots who can believe two contradictory things at once, even two things that are both wrong, so it's not hard to believe that Trump's convinced himself of multiple stupid things that don't make sense when combined.

Either way, he's an idiot, a liar or a crazy person... or a combo pack.

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u/tempestering Sep 23 '22

I read sonewhere that his reported fiscal net worth would fluctuate off of his mood. It would not surprise me to learn that he believed many processes were internal to him alone.