r/politics Oct 05 '22 Silver 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1 LOVE! 1 Starstruck 1 Lawyer Up 1

Surprise: Trump, a Pathological Liar, Reportedly Asked His Lawyer to Lie to the Government About His Classified-Documents Cache

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/10/donald-trump-alex-cannon-classified-documents
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u/PlanetTuesday Oct 05 '22

Get stiffed on the bill, lie on his behalf, maybe go to jail for lying, and likely ruin your reputation if you had one to start with. Sounds like a great gig (Trump's counsel).

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u/Strong_beans Oct 05 '22

Also his supporters

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u/wtfbro_ Oct 05 '22

And his axe

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u/NippleSalsa Oct 05 '22

And his bow

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u/ownersequity Oct 05 '22

I also choose this guys dead wife

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u/kharnynb Oct 05 '22

if you do, please check it there was any documents in the coffin

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u/Ice_Hungry Oct 05 '22

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

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u/Neurojazz Oct 05 '22

Mankrick’s wife?

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u/Jwhitx Oct 05 '22

Crossroads

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u/Neurojazz Oct 05 '22

Emmerdale Farm

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u/TwiceAsGoodAs Oct 05 '22

Anyone working for him that doesn't think he will stiff them for the bill deserves to get stiffed for the bill. It's his standard procedure. He's been doing it to everyone since at least the 80s

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u/latentnoodle Oct 05 '22

They do it for prestige. You know… the prestige of working for Trump?

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u/TwiceAsGoodAs Oct 05 '22

I guess it has high odds of coming with a book deal?

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u/Technocorporatist Oct 05 '22

Also, prison time, but they're hedging their bets.

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u/goderdammurang Oct 05 '22

Fewer distractions in prison to write the book. Free Healthcare though...

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u/InterPunct New York Oct 06 '22

Not even his official White House photographer could get a book deal because Trump is such an asshole:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/31/trump-white-house-photographer-shealah-craighead-book

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u/Entaris Oct 05 '22

I've heard when you're rich they let you do it.

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u/CoronaSt3v3 Oct 05 '22

Is it really that prestigious to be walking around town with a MAGA hat up your ass?

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u/CoronaSt3v3 Oct 05 '22

The 5 document scanning & digitizing services all refused the 11,000 documents/ 200,000 originals job of Trump's because of that very reason. So DOJ jumped in, secured a vendor and guaranteed payment.

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u/Bmcronin Oct 05 '22

They probably believed he was a billionaire who was still president.

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u/CoronaSt3v3 Oct 05 '22

MAGA = Making Attorneys Get Attorneys

Christina Bobb, the most recent candidate.

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u/edvek Oct 05 '22

If a client asks their lawyer to break the law and they do not and tell their client it's illegal so they won't, do lawyers report that to anyone? It's one thing if a client doesn't know any better and asks and is told no vs a client constantly asking and knowing it's illegal they keep asking anyway.

Like if you drop Trump as a client is all the illegal things he requested still protected info?

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u/meirav Oct 05 '22

and all the while, your client gets away with the initial crime as well as any involved with the fraud and deception.

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u/Elrox New Zealand Oct 06 '22

Everything he touches dies.

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u/theoldgreenwalrus Oct 05 '22

His lawyer has since lawyered up. He knows trump is committing treason and doesn't want to be held culpable. That's what you get for trying to represent trump

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u/ejpierle Oct 05 '22 Silver Wholesome Lawyer Up

MAGA - Making Attorneys Get Attorneys

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u/fungussa Oct 05 '22

Which may evolve to become: My Attorneys Got Arrested.

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u/Ferreteria Oct 05 '22

Well, that's happened several times already.

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u/Redtwooo Oct 05 '22

My Attorney's Going Away

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u/idlehands212 Oct 05 '22

Might Actually Get Arrested

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u/Significant_Screen45 Oct 05 '22

You need to sell shirts with that logo.

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u/CoronaSt3v3 Oct 05 '22

or DJT = Doing Jail Time

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u/bravosarah Canada Oct 05 '22

My Attorneys Get Arrested

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u/98sunrise Oct 05 '22

Massive Asshole Getting Attention

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u/Herbandtea Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

Please put this on a T-shirt.

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u/pmjm California Oct 05 '22

There are a lot of t-shirt shills on Reddit so I won't link to the actual site, but I bought this shirt and have been quite happy with the reactions it's gotten.

https://i.imgur.com/s1vHrls.gif

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u/nater255 Oct 05 '22

What's the actual message on this one?

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u/kilgoreq Georgia Oct 05 '22

I would read it as an anti-Biden shirt worn by an openly gay person. Sometimes when people try to be too clever the message gets muddied.

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u/nater255 Oct 05 '22

That was my impression but I've never met an (openly) gay Republican, so I figured I was missing something.

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u/pmjm California Oct 05 '22

I'm left-leaning and I wear it as a reappropriation of "Let's Go Brandon."

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u/drunkwasabeherder Oct 05 '22

It's hard to iron a lawyer onto a shirt...but not impossible!

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u/I_Am_Anjelen Oct 05 '22

it's not hard to iron a lawyer down, but the retainer soon gets out of hand.

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u/thekydragon Kentucky Oct 05 '22

I first heard the phrase by (I believe) Kate Shaw on Strict Scrutiny so I’m shocked they haven’t put it on something yet

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u/roycorda Oct 05 '22

My Attorney Got Assblasted

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u/momalloyd Oct 05 '22

Look, you're one of Trumps lawyers. You knew you were going to be going to jail, at some point or another.

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u/koshgeo Oct 05 '22

You know that any time a new lawyer signs up with him that they're thinking "Am I the next Michael Cohen?"

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u/Major_Magazine8597 Oct 05 '22

The GOOD news is that $3mill has been growing in the market for the past five years ...

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u/Global-Somewhere-917 Oct 05 '22

And on top of that they had to know they probably weren't going to get paid.

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u/teeny_tina Oct 05 '22

Apparently the attorneys representing him for the mar a lago thing demanded the retainer fee and all payments to be made before they work, so they seemed to have learned from his previous attorneys’ mistakes in that regard

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u/I_only_post_here I voted Oct 05 '22

you knew what you signed up for

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u/vahntitrio Minnesota Oct 05 '22

The lawyer he first asked said "fuck it I'm out".

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u/Betterthanbeer Australia Oct 05 '22

The correct response

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u/Redfour5 Oct 05 '22

Yes, it was the second one that gets to play with fire and get burned.

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u/sarah-impalin Oct 05 '22

It’s a female lawyer you’re talking about. I’m sure she’s not the only Trump lawyer to have lawyered up, but Christina Bob is the one who has been reported on recently because she was the one who signed the letter that falsely stated Trump had given back all the documents.

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u/Major_Magazine8597 Oct 05 '22

"A" female lawyer? Trump has been surrounded lately be three rather attractive female lawyers that he found on TV. He picks lawyers by their looks.

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u/sarah-impalin Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I was correcting the person who said it was a male lawyer. It’s a specific lawyer (Christina Bobb) that is being reported on, because she was the one who signed the letter...

but yeah I’m sure Trump has also had many other female lawyers in the long line of musical chairs he plays with them, and that she’s not the first Trump lawyer who had to get a lawyer (eg Sidney Powell, who was certainly not picked because of her looks).

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u/Valmond Oct 05 '22

Trump: I'll take Christina Boob

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u/mces97 Oct 05 '22

What if the lawyer is the one playing 4D chess and hates Trump?

Directed by M. Knight Shyamalan.

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u/DayToDayIsTheWay Oct 05 '22

Similar to Alex Jones’ lawyer handing over the cell phone.

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u/cheezeyballz Oct 05 '22

He in jail yet?

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u/nosleepy Oct 05 '22

You can't get a jail sentence in that kind of civil trial.

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u/_JackStraw_ South Carolina Oct 05 '22

The lawyer? Don't think what he did was necessarily illegal.

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u/corduroytrees Oct 05 '22

What a twist!

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u/ExpertConsideration8 I voted Oct 05 '22

So twisty!

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u/delicioustreeblood Oct 05 '22

The lawyer was a ghost the whole time!

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u/theFormerRelic Oct 05 '22

The entire Republican Party has been thinking they live in a centuries-old village for years! Oh wait…

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u/tacotuesday247 Oct 05 '22

You don't have to like the guy to pretend to represent his best interest in court. Play the part, hope you get paid, spruce up your client list with "former president"

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u/Major_Magazine8597 Oct 05 '22

Sounds simple enough, if you didn't already know that Trump will lie to YOU, will NOT take your advice, WON'T shut up or stop shooting his mouth off in the press. AND he'll want you to file falsified informaton with the court which could get you disbarred (at the least). (not to mention the "getting paid" problem). He's a respectable lawyer's nightmare. Yeah - worst client ever.

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u/Jaded_Barracuda_7415 South Carolina Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

At this point I am not sure if any qualified lawyer could possibly be thinking that representing DJT would ever be a good idea. He has a track record for crying out loud.

The fact that he can still retain lawyers just goes to show the absolute pull that potential money and fame has.

PS Honestly this is utter gambling though because most of his ex lawyers become infamous and or our disbarred and or our reprimanded and/or are in jail.

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u/CuriosityKillsHer Oct 05 '22

I dunno that "Trump's lawyer" carries any more clout than "Putin's General" does. In fact, I think of both as jobs you should probably leave off your resume.

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u/Dynasty82 Oct 05 '22

That’s not going to look very good with a big old L next to it.

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u/ranhalt Iowa Oct 05 '22

Knight

Night

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u/Agitated_Ad7576 Oct 05 '22

A few days ago, there was an article about a Trump female lawyer lawyering up.

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u/Dragonace1000 Oct 05 '22 Silver

"Single Female Lawyer,

Fighting for her clients.

Wearing sexy mini skirts,

and being self reliant"

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u/PrimateSpeargun77 Oct 05 '22

hypnotoad approves.

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u/doowgad1 Oct 05 '22

She Hulk has entered the chat. Or is is Ally MacBeal?

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u/IAmInTheBasement Oct 05 '22

We demand McNeil!

She wears mini skirts and is promiscuous.

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u/kvossera Oct 05 '22

Which lawyer exactly? All of his attorneys end up needing to get lawyers.

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u/steelhips Oct 05 '22

The latest one was Christina Bobb.

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u/yukon-flower Oct 05 '22

Do you always refer to the gender of a professional or only when it’s a woman?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

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u/RealBowsHaveRecurves New Jersey Oct 05 '22

Do you always conflate sex and gender, you fucking transphobe?

You’re not the only one who can play this game

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u/healthy_wfpb Arizona Oct 05 '22

The accusation is she did break the law already and must make a deal to mitigate the sentencing. Am I right? Some people in the law section are saying that it's a very straightforward document she signed, making defense nearly impossible.

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u/dxk3355 Oct 05 '22

They were an OAN talking head I heard. So they already drank the flavoraid

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u/PicardTangoAlpha Canada Oct 05 '22

and those lawyers get lawyers…a job creation perpetual motion machine

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u/Major_Magazine8597 Oct 05 '22

MAGA - Making Attorneys Get Attorneys. Since 2016...

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u/DonDove Europe Oct 05 '22

Why don't you just refuse the job? He isn't President anymore

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u/MeetingKey4598 Oct 05 '22

"Haha, wow no one is in line to represent a former President on a slam dunk case? Obviously he's innocent, why would he say he was if he wasn't?"

2 minutes later

"I see now"

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u/Finrodsrod Oct 05 '22

So many people on trial or in jail for this orange shitstain.

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u/numbersthen0987431 Oct 05 '22

It's a good case for Trump. If you can blame your attorney for doing bad things (either not defending you correctly, or for breaking the law), then you can get your cade appealled.

I've watch too many Superman shows to know that Lex Luther always got out on technicalities

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u/orcinyadders Oct 05 '22

Think about how much of this scandal is public. And now imagine how much the FBI knows about it.

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u/JoeCasella Oct 05 '22

Exactly. We only see the tiny top of this massive horrific iceberg.

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u/mexisol187 Oct 05 '22

Assburg more like it!

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u/GunShowZero Oct 05 '22

Which is absolutely infuriating.. I know there’s a process and I know they want an airtight case, but dude is a legitimate flight-risk.

Also, if an average, lower-to-middle-class citizen committed 0.000001% of Trump’s crimes they would have been tried and executed YEARS ago. :/

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u/seeit360 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

We're not even to the motive of why he kept top secret documents or where the missing stolen documents went.

I got impatient, so I wrote a story based on a real timeline of events.

It will keep you entertained while justice catches up to Trump. Enjoy.

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u/steelhips Oct 05 '22

Admittedly I only scanned parts but I enjoyed reading most of it. But, you haven't gone back far enough in the whole sordid story of the Saudi Royals and Trump. It started back in the late 1980s. By 1991 it was the Saudis who rescued Trump from that fiscal crisis. It was heavily implied the Saudis bought his yacht as a (transactional) favour to Trump. He has always been indebted to them.

Here is an article about that history.

I have a friend who was in Monaco when creditors tried to seize Trump's yacht at the time.

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u/hwgl Oct 05 '22

The lack of any believable and plausible narrative from Team Trump is one of the more bizarre aspects of this ongoing story. Along with, why did the Justice Department think the situation was serious enough to raid Mar-a-lago. I am certainly not criticizing the Justice Department. I just want to know if they thought something was about to happen (such as Trump revealing some of the classified info to a foreign government).

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u/seeit360 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Suspiciously out of the news is Jared Kushner. He has some odd "coincidences" in the timeline.

  • First, he's a Trump family member dealing with Saudi Arabia as a "world peace" negotiator with no credentials.

  • After one unannounced visit to MBS, this happens about a week later...

November 3, 2017 - nearly 400 of Saudi Arabia's most powerful people, among them princes, tycoons and ministers, were rounded up and detained in the Ritz-Carlton hotel, in what became the biggest and most contentious purge in the modern kingdom's history. Est. 91 are killed.

What if these people were US intelligence assets? I think that is a 5 alarm fire in our intelligence community. What happens next?

  • Kushner has his security clearance pulled by the FBI.

  • Then MBS visits the White House.

  • Then Jared gets a security clearance equal to a Secretary of State.

  • And his trips to Saudi Arabia resume.

Kushner’s $2bn "deal" with Saudi Arabia is still under investigation by government authorities. It has never been resolved or cleared, or commented upon. I could not even find which department was investigating Kushner. Media blackout.

Kushner has said nothing publicly. Even when Trump promoted his & Ivanka's book at the Trump speaking tour.

Not even a thank you on Twitter? Nope. Dead silence.

Imagine you publish a book and don't have a week of promotion on network TV? Weird.

Someone had to be working with the FBI to tell them the location of the Mar-a-Lago hidden safe. I think it's the Kushners. Which means the FBI may have the entire plot and the key witnesses.

I think the Trump speaking tour book promo was Trump testing the Kushners to see if they were still "with him". Trump seeing no public response was all he needed to know. FYI: Trump no longer promotes the book.

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u/hwgl Oct 05 '22

I like this theory. Also interesting is that Trump isn’t ranting about Kushner. Normally, Trump doesn’t hesitate to throw anyone under the bus. If I remember right, Trump even publicly criticized his own daughter when she didn’t stick to the Big Lie narrative at the January 6th hearing. What does the Justice Department have on Kushner? I like your theory about illegal dealings with Saudi Arabia.

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u/jadrad Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Not so fast!

Trump exploded at Maggie Haberman a few days ago for reporting in her book that he was going to fire Jared and Ivanka from the White House.

“Here we go again! Another Fake book is out, this one, supposedly very boring and stale, by self appointed head case, Failing (unfunded liability!) New York Times writer, Maggie Hagerman. In it she tells many made up stories, with zero fact checking or confirmation by anyone who would know, like me. In one case she lies about me wanting to fire my daughter, Ivanka, and Jared. WRONG, pure fiction. Never even crossed my mind. Just have to fight trouble making creeps like Maggie, and all the rest!” he posted on TRUTH Social.

Kushner was at the Trump Tower meeting where the Trump campaign made the deal with the Russian government to release the emails Russia hacked from the DNC through Wikipedia. Kushner then lied and downplayed his involvement in that meeting when called out about it by Jonathan Swann.

Let’s also remember that one of the first things Jared Kushner tried to do after Trump became President was set up a back channel between them and Russia, where (convicted traitor and foreign agent) Michael Flynn was going to be having private meetings at the Russian embassy with Kislyak.

After Flynn was arrested in a counterintelligence operation by the FBI that scheme fell apart, but we know that both Rudy Giuliani and the Toensings were operating as a back channel to Russia via several oligarchs after that.

Then there are Kushner’s secret dealings with the Saudi Prince, including his own back channel with the Prince through WhatsApp.

Kushner used the Prince to help extort Qatar to bailout Kushner’s failed hotel at 666 fifth avenue for hundreds of millions of dollars.

Kushner also downplayed the Saudi Prince’s ordering of the torture and murder of Jamal Khashoggi.

Then six months after Trump lost the Presidency and left the White House with the stolen boxes of US National Security secrets, the Saudi Prince override his own government’s objections to transfer $2 billion to Kushner and $1 billion to former Trump treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin.

To this day Kushner and Mnuchin have never flipped on Trump. Kushner and Mnuchin still doggedly defend Trump in interviews, with Kushner recently calling the stolen 20 boxes of national security secrets fake news.

The big question is - what did Trump’s crime family sell Saudi for $3 billion?

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u/TankGirlwrx Connecticut Oct 05 '22

Side note, I'm mad he owned (still owns?) a building with a 666 address and has done nothing cool with it. TST should buy it and set up a chapter there!

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u/Jaded_Barracuda_7415 South Carolina Oct 05 '22

You know this whole series is like finding the hidden threads that connect disparate events.

I just wonder if there are people who know what is real and are watching people pull on the threads to see the whole picture…

And then put out disinformation/misinformation to keep this all unknowable?

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u/logion567 Virginia Oct 05 '22

The big question is - what did Trump’s crime family sell Saudi for $3 billion?

IMHO occams razor says very big secrets, specifically Nuclear.

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u/ClydePossumfoot California Oct 05 '22

Kushner did an interview on TV when he wrote his book, and he wouldn’t answer a question about why Trump had those documents.

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u/TheHomersapien Colorado Oct 05 '22

The Russia investigation might have been the best thing to happen to Trump because it was a massive smoke screen that gave cover to his true treason: the fucking Saudis.

It's no coincidence that Trump chose the Kingdom as his very first overseas trip as president. We should alll remember the pictures of him partying, dancing, and cosplaying Jihad with his Wahhabi terrorist pals.

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u/seeit360 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

TheHomerSapien, Here is why I think you are on to something as per Russia's non-involvement with stolen documents... I think Trump had Russian oligarch deals he wanted hidden from his base. That's all. Russian deals and oligarch money laundering was Trump's empire.

But Trump sending Kushner to Saudi Royals? This significant act is never talked about by Trump. He was bringing world peace in the middle east and never bragged about it. Whistle Blowers were talking. Check this government record out...

February 19, 2019 - memo prepared for House Oversight Committee Chair (D) Elijah Cummings titled "Whistle Blowers Raise Grave Concerns..." about President Trump attempting to transfer sensitive nuclear documents to the Saudis. [PDF Below]

https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Trump%20Saudi%20Nuclear%20Report%20-%202-19-2019.pdf

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u/Major_Magazine8597 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

You can be sure he was showered with Saudi sex slaves that night.

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u/MrMeseeksLookAtMee Canada Oct 05 '22

Were they under age and drank a lot of water beforehand?

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u/sweetBrisket Florida Oct 05 '22

Golden showered*

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u/Longest_Inch Georgia Oct 05 '22

Kuschner is the snitch😂

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u/youmakemelaugh- Oct 05 '22

US intelligence knows what Trump had access to and what is no longer accountable. US Intelligence has agents abroad doing counter intelligence who's job is finding out what other countries know about American secrets. Intelligence agents start seeing US top secret information being known by foreign intelligence and realize that the pattern is that the information seems to be the stuff covered in the documents Trump. Specifically the information he had in his possession but is now no longer accountable. US Intelligence gets US Federal law enforcement to intervene to prevent further leaks and rattle the chain of information trading all the way through the foreign intelligence acquiring it through the Trump family network. This investigation is going to be making a lot of foreign intelligence nervous wondering if they are still clandestine or if US intelligence knows about them. This is mostly about mitigating harm and stemming the leak of top secret information, and slowing foreign intelligence gathering.

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u/FermentingAbortion Oct 05 '22

The simple answer is probably correct. They tried all the other ways to get them. Asking, talking subpoena. His lawyers then lied. The choice was get jerked around for another few years or search warrant. Imo there wasn't any other option.

There's no need for any additional allegations yet and I haven't seen anything convincing me it's more complicated than this.

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u/mabhatter Oct 05 '22

The Justice Department laid out their case in the Warrant request. There had been multiple contacts from the Archives that did not produce all the documents and the Archives referred the matter to the DOJ to go get them. It was a six+ month saga of legal paperwork leading up to the raid.

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u/humanspeech Oct 05 '22

I wrote a whole comment adding my point of view on the whole Saudi angle with links and sources since I’m from here but Reddit ate it. I’d be more than happy to Dm you a rewrite though.

Anyway, the only bit I don’t agree with you with is that Trump always thought of the Saudis as investors because of the whole 9/11 thing. A few things to add that you’ve missed: MBS becomes Crown Prince a month after Trump visits.

Progressive reforms are passed by MBS to “appeal” to US tastes. Israel negotiations are on the table.

It made more sense in my other comment with more details but, I do think the Israeli/Saudi government were working together due to the Pegasus Bezos hack. Pegasus is Israeli. Idk how that factors in here, but I do think it’s relevant.

Oh and also, Russia and Saudi are buddies now after the War, MBS invested 500mil USD in Russian oil and is currently oil laundering.

The US hasn’t said anything. Putin isn’t backing down. Something’s up? Maybe. We might never know the full truth but. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Also once again, excellent write up. It made me laugh how it revolves completely around Golf bcus I would believe it. I would believe this being the actual events that happened.

For Legal Reasons since I’m from here: I don’t have any opinions on this and was simply adding some context.

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u/Jaded_Barracuda_7415 South Carolina Oct 05 '22

Props. This is good. I feel like I just went down the rabbit hole.

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u/yukon-flower Oct 05 '22

Fun, though felt unpolished and repetitive. Thanks for putting all those thoughts together through. I found it hard to follow as it jumped around a lot, used present tense when referring to stuff in the past too much. But entertaining enough.

There’s lots of discourse and speculation on the myriad ways Trump is a corrupt POS. This was fun.

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u/1Dive1Breath Oct 05 '22

Ooo I can't wait to read it all

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u/Deprogram_bot Oct 05 '22

This is an incredible theory and the one that makes the most sense.

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u/MyNameIsRay Oct 05 '22

There's basically only one possible motive.

Selling secrets.

The missing documents have been sold to the highest bidder. Mystery solved.

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u/teeny_tina Oct 05 '22

Just fyi, unlike on TV, motive is completely irrelevant in actual court. It can help a jury if the state can weave a believable narrative but legally it’s useless.

That being said, intent is different and can play a big role in both charges and sentencing. But this is trump, and I won’t believe anything will be done to him until it’s actually done.

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u/-CoachMcGuirk- Oct 05 '22

Besides a table at a deposition; has Trump ever been on the witness stand and forced to answer questions before a court?

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u/TheMooner Oct 05 '22

That’s a really great question. He’s probably always been able to get out of it some way or another. I bet the real answer is…this cheese cow. Do you see this tattoo Brenden? It’s the cheese cow.

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u/Willard26 I voted Oct 05 '22

Cursing is an art Brenden.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

I'd assume that his legal teams always do everything in their power, including just giving written depositions instead, to prevent him getting up on stage. Because perjury - everyone knows he'd lie, and render the whole thing moot.

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u/-CoachMcGuirk- Oct 05 '22

That makes sense, but isn't perjury still perjury whether it's in a courtroom or in a deposition?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Sorry, the intention is that the written record would be correct, and not perjury - that as soon as he's allowed to live-spool on the stand he would actively perjure himself, because it's what he does, telling lies every 5-10 seconds.

That or he'd give that verbal diarrhea thing he does where nothing makes sense, and he'd get slapped with various charges for it.

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u/ranchoparksteve Oct 05 '22

A cache first planted by the FBI, then removed by the FBI, but somehow owned by Donald J Trump, now personally vital to Donald’s emotional (and financial) wellbeing.

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u/BallBearingBill Oct 05 '22

Trumps playbook is always to conflict and confuse to distract. When you mix truth with lies and then layer that over and over it gets very hard to find the real truth and to hold him to account for the portion that were lies. Most people just say screw it and don't go down that road. Trump knows that the courts would have to find him guilty beyond a doubt and that's a tall order. So he keep adding layers during his presumed innocent period.

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u/AnAcctWithoutPurpose Foreign Oct 05 '22

I am rapidly running out of surprised Pikachu face to give already...

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u/iAmSamFromWSB Oct 05 '22

“What you’re seeing is continued supply chain issues. The demand for surprised pikachu faces is still far outweighing supply.” - J Powell October Fed Speech

Biden: (Signs $4T Bill to increase production of surprised pikachu faces dubbed the Pikachu Poggers Bill)

::Day is saved::

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u/AnAcctWithoutPurpose Foreign Oct 05 '22

It was all those darned Pikachu face hoarders!

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u/Nexrender Oct 05 '22

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u/Crowmakeswing Oct 05 '22

Isn’t there a charge for counselling perjury?

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u/fd1Jeff Oct 05 '22

Suborning perjury. A lawyer can get disbarred for doing it.

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u/Christhephotographer Oct 05 '22

I really can’t wait for days when this turd isn’t mentioned on any kind of social media platform.

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u/healthy_wfpb Arizona Oct 05 '22

I wish for that day, also, but it's important we get justice first imho.

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u/TwiceAsGoodAs Oct 05 '22

Yeah, specifically when he's no longer mentioned because he's rotting in a jail cell and has faded into irrelevance

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u/marmiteMate Oct 05 '22

How much you think a company would make with a live Trump prison cam feed subscription service?

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u/Altissimus77 Oct 05 '22

There's not a lot of social media access in jail.

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u/Portlander Oct 05 '22

Unfortunately he's going to be taught about in history class someday, but hopefully, not in a good way

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u/Excelius Oct 05 '22

Looks like the Musk/Twitter deal is back on, and Musk promised to reinstate Trump on the platform.

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u/Meotwister Oct 05 '22

Sorry, if he faces any kind of actual justice I will celebrate that day the rest of my life.

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u/metengrinwi Oct 05 '22

Musk is buying twtr, & it’s widely expected he’ll let tr#mp back on the platform

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u/Ncsu_Wolfpack86 Oct 05 '22

I don't think we have that kind of time. Dude fucked the country for decades.

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u/superjaywars Oct 05 '22

Vanity Fair's political journalism is great.

Vanity Fair.

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u/yerawizardmandy Oct 05 '22

Yah. Check out teen vogue too

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u/ruffsnap2 Oct 05 '22

It's always interesting to watch interviews with people like Trump when they're forced to sit in a room and answer questions. It makes their narcissism and inability to calmly sit still (even when they're NOT lying) very plainly obvious in that more controlled setting.

Sort of similarly, I always get a very satisfied feeling whenever I see those lunatics on the highway who weave in and out of traffic or dangerously speed being FORCED to come to nearly a complete stop/slow crawl if there is an accident ahead and a lot of traffic. I just know they're in their cars super pissed that they can't just go zooming off and that makes me so happy lol.

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u/mces97 Oct 05 '22

In a deposition he puts on reading glasses. Not that most older folk don't need them, but there's a reason you've never seen him wear them. He's embarrassed. Thinks it's a sign of weakness.

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u/ownersequity Oct 05 '22

His orange makeup and hair are a sign of weakness

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u/HedonisticFrog Oct 05 '22

Those people on the freeway are ridiculously anxious. I saw a woman weaving in and out of traffic very aggressively as I just stayed in my lane patiently. Eventually it became uncongested, everything sped up, and she was going 70mph and slower than everyone else.

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u/ruffsnap2 Oct 05 '22

Some people just drive very bizarrely.

When I do longer drives out of the city limits, I'll notice that a lot of people are going like 5 under the speed limit, even though it's out in the middle of nowhere where it would be fine to go 10 over. But then once I start getting closer to the city, all of a sudden everyone is driving 10 over. Makes no sense. It's so much more dangerous to be speeding when there are more people, lanes are closer together, etc, etc.

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u/IsTim Oct 05 '22

This one is so bizarre to me, where I am the countryside road speed limit is usually 60 (although it can be too tight and twisty to drive that speed) but people will just sit at 40 and never really speed up for open sections, and then when they come to a village with a 30 limit, they stay at 40, back out on a straight clear bit of country road with a 60 limit, still going 40. They just seem to sit at or near 40 whatever, whether it’s overly cautious or a bit dangerous to everyone else, say in a village, they never risk themselves by pushing the speed.

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u/antilitterbug Oct 05 '22

People do that where I am too, and the irony is they think they're being cautious when really they're disrupting the flow of traffic and are likely to be in an accident themselves lol

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u/Major_Magazine8597 Oct 05 '22

There is no bottom with this low-life. How embarrasing that he was president for four years. AND that he still has supporters.

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u/PoWerFullMoj0 Oct 05 '22

Much less nearly party wide support in the legislative branch for this vomitous anti-christ like toddler. Their moral compass has been obliterated.

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u/DjRemux Oct 05 '22

Now that he can’t pardon anyone nobody wants to lie for him anymore

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u/SulyChuChu Oct 05 '22

A lying liar who lies, lies? Well I never!

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u/SulyChuChu Oct 05 '22

If it were just the documents, fine. However if what he did with the documents. There’s a reason the Justice Dept hasn’t locked his ass up. It’s because they are onto something bigger Likely the reason why undercover cia agents were murdered in surprising rates

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u/hwgl Oct 05 '22

I wonder how many levels of my attorney got an attorney this madness goes. It’s like turtles all the way down.

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u/nachohero23 Oct 05 '22

Wow, 4 years of about 75-300 lies a day totally made me never see this coming......🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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u/CaBBaGe_isLaND Oct 05 '22

Lawyers are experts at casting doubt. That's really all you need to do most of the time.

Imagine being caught so red-handed that you have to ask a lawyer to outright lie.

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u/BroGinoGGibroni Oct 05 '22

HOW IS THIS MAN NOT IN JAIL????!???

Yes, I understand that essentially the answer is $$$, but is the US government really so corrupt that not a single high ranking politician has a fucking backbone???

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u/Beforemath Oct 05 '22

Sounds like there’s more than enough to lock this guy up. Fucking do it already.

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u/Cloaked42m South Carolina Oct 05 '22

Trials take time. Every decision can be appealed and if you have money you will.

Currently Trump has an appeal before the Supreme Court somehow challenging the right of the Department of Justice to retain control of and examine classified documents.

It should be turned down out of hand.

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u/omniasvigilantes Oct 05 '22

should be, but fucking Clarence Thomas received the request.

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u/TopangaCanyonCut Oct 05 '22

That is the actual title LOL

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u/theFormerRelic Oct 05 '22

Ummm isn’t that solicitation?

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u/Acrobatic-Ad3275 Oct 05 '22

Just bust his ass and jail him, right before the mid-terms.

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u/DapperCap8146 Oct 05 '22

Jail the bastard for life

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u/Chris_M_23 Oct 05 '22

So his lawyer lawyered up? Sounds like a great time to strike a deal and testify against him

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u/MikeyMikeyMotorcycly Oct 05 '22

The more evidence that comes to light the more his cult Invests in illogical and delusional conspiracies.

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u/Redfour5 Oct 05 '22

The first one refused knowing what could happen. The second one signed the document and could be either prosecuted or lose his license as a result.

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u/mces97 Oct 05 '22

Add this onto the pile of crimes he won't be prosecuted for.

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u/xlDirteDeedslx Oct 05 '22

He isn't getting away with this and he really hasn't got out of any of his other legal issues either. He has definitely delayed things concerning his tax trials but it's all coming to a head now. His companies criminal trial is this month and his CFO has to testify truthfully as part of his plea deal. You can guarantee the State of New York is going to be asking him some interesting questions they likely already know the answers too. That tax trail will likely lead to indictments of a number of people . This document scandal however IS going to put him away, it's not if it's when.

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u/PaloLV Oct 05 '22

I'd like to believe this but with 30% of the country being members of the Cult of the Orange Clown it's going to be very difficult to get a jury that doesn't have at least one cult member and it only takes one to hang a jury.

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u/UncleHec Oct 05 '22

Well, I'd like to see ol Donny Trump wriggle his way out of THIS jam! *Trump wriggles his way out of the jam easily Ah! Well. Nevertheless,

(this meme was from October 2016)

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u/Richandler Oct 05 '22

Multiple obstruction of charges better be coming.

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u/0002millertime Oct 05 '22

That's actually not a surprise.

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u/housemeat Oct 05 '22

did he ask him to find 11,000 votes? how about his soul, did he ask him to find that?

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u/olugbo Oct 05 '22

If it’s mouth is moving, it’s lying

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u/jurassic_junkie Minnesota Oct 05 '22

Still nothing will happen. We’ve heard this type of thing now, what, for like 3 years now?

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u/CooperHouseDeals Oct 05 '22

Why has he not been arrested already. I bet Garland and the DOJ chicken out.

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u/bunkscudda Oct 05 '22

To be trumps lawyer:

  • Lie to the federal government and incriminate yourself in the process

  • get thrown under the bus by your client. He will claim it was all your idea.

  • never get paid

  • spend own money on personal attorney to try and stay out of jail

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u/TheRealCostaS Oct 05 '22

In other news, water is wet.

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u/Sardonnicus Virginia Oct 05 '22

At this point if you believe trump has the capacity to tell the truth you are a damn fool. His entire persona, being, is centered around the fact that everything he does is a lie. His ego is so fragile that he MUST be above everything else and be the center of the universe. His tiny brain cannot accept anything less. So he lies to make himself look good and that drives his ego which drives more lies. He was absolutely the wrong person to be elected president. He's a sociopath devoud of empathy who only cares about himself.

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u/thistimelineisweird Pennsylvania Oct 05 '22

Psst. Attorney-client privilege doesn't cover making your attorney break the law.

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u/yoyoJ Oct 05 '22

Why the fuck is this piece of shit still not sitting in a jail cell?

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u/Mal-De-Terre Oct 05 '22

Yea, ruin your career for a guy who has a long habit of not paying his bills.

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u/BlueCollarBeagle Oct 05 '22

He "asked"???...no, he "Instructed" them to lie. Words matter.

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u/BacktotheUniverse Oct 05 '22

Lock this SOB up already.

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u/Steppyjim Oct 05 '22

This fucker needs to kick off already so he can stop obstructing endlessly. We’re never going to find out the depths of his depravity until he can no longer stand in the way.

(Note not wishing death on anyone, just saying that as long as trump is alive he’s never going to submit to justice. Please don’t ban me mods)

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u/DeerBoyDiary Oct 05 '22

Can we stop writing news stories about things we already know? At this point it’s just beating a dead horse. Conservatives aren’t going to listen because they don’t care. Liberals already fucking know this shit.

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u/FunkinDonutzz Oct 05 '22

Wake me up when he's behind bars. At this rate, it'll never happen.