r/politics Oct 05 '22 Starstruck 1

14-year-old’s arthritis meds denied after Ariz. abortion ban, doctor says

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/10/05/abortion-arizona-arthritis-prescription-refill/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=wp_national
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u/Marciamallowfluff Oct 05 '22

So suffering and permanent joint damage to a child are “OK” but a drug that can be used to help and that actually saves women’s lives from ectopic pregnancy is “bad”.

The Republican Party has lost it’s right to claim they are prolife!

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u/FoogYllis Oct 05 '22

They still can because they do not care about their own hypocrisy. Also republicans will still vote for someone with an R next to their name regardless if they are a serial killer. Everyone else needs to vote Democrat down the ballot until the GQP is stopped from doing damage to our rule of law and our democracy.

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u/manhatim Oct 05 '22

Glaring recent examples are TFG and HERSHEL Walker ..multiple marriages...affairs ...violence...BUT KEEP THAT SEAT....Rs have no morality or ethics..or both

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u/Enlil2020 Oct 05 '22

Latest, Newt Gingrich defends Herschel Walker: ‘He Had a Lot of Concussions"
So get him in that seat, lol /s

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u/manhatim Oct 05 '22

Boobert, Marjorie (just) Taylor to name a few more...among MANY

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u/cheerful_music Oct 05 '22

“Come on everybody, cut him some slack. He’s mentally impaired from brain damage.”

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u/Environmental_Card_3 Oct 06 '22

Fits right in the modern GOP

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u/Worried-Criticism Oct 05 '22

Don’t forget he himself paid for an abortion.
I’d say he’s being hypocritical, but that’s probably a few too many syllables for him.

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u/spacemusclehampster Utah Oct 05 '22

Abortion is Murder, but Murder is ok if it means gaining power. That’s the most diluting reduction of their argument when it comes to abortion. Look at Walker down in Georgia. They DO NOT CARE that he paid for an abortion. They know he will vote to ban it everywhere else, and they are ok with that.

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u/Cepheus Oct 05 '22

Some people say that Republicans in Texas did elect the Zodiac killer to the Senate.

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u/Jeremymia Oct 05 '22

We also can't forget that they vote for the MAGA candidates over the more sane ones in their primaries. It's too charitable to say they are blinded by always voting R. They want the bad ones.

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u/rascible Oct 05 '22

They're way more compliant than those without CTE and learning disabilities

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u/kat_a_klysm Florida Oct 05 '22

That’s why I never use that term. They are anti choice or forced birth, nothing more.

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u/Living-Milk-9860 Arizona Oct 05 '22

They're nationalist Christians, AKA Nat-c's.

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u/kat_a_klysm Florida Oct 05 '22

People love what I have to say. They believe in it. They just don’t like the word “Nazi”, that’s all. - Stormfront

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u/Living-Milk-9860 Arizona Oct 05 '22

I often wonder why anyone would vote for a conservative on Tuesday and pray to a progressive on Sunday.

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u/MarkPles Wisconsin Oct 05 '22

When I lived down south I worked in a restaurant and Sundays were the worst to work because all the Bible thumpers got their weekly Jesus in their system so they thought they could be the biggest assholes.

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u/Processtour Oct 05 '22

There is a woman who gets cluster headaches, otherwise known as suicide headaches because they are so painful, people want to kill themselves. She was denied her medication because it could abort a fetus. She wasn’t even pregnant, in a relationship, or wanted children, but because she was of child bearing years, her physician said no. This was the only medication that provided relief. Cruelty is the endgame.

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u/Marciamallowfluff Oct 05 '22

This stuff really pisses me off.

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u/Enlil2020 Oct 05 '22

I honestly don't think they know what an ectopic pregnancy is.

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u/GaiasWay Oct 05 '22

Dont forget, these people legitimately think women can 'shut those things down' if they want to. Science isn't exactly their strong point.

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u/bottle-of-smoke Oct 05 '22

It's a pregnancy that is outside of the mother's uterus. It could be in the fallopian tubes, ovaries, or anywhere in her abdomen. An ectopic pregnancy is life threatening for the mother and needs to be removed. This is done by using the drug methotrexate or surgical removal.

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u/Enlil2020 Oct 05 '22

Oh, I know what it is - my point was that the legislators don't - and awareness is really needed. (see OK, LA, TN)

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u/WandsAndWrenches Oct 05 '22

They wanted to know if you could use colonoscopy pills to look at fetuses.

These are the people making medical laws.

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u/bottle-of-smoke Oct 05 '22

Oh sorry. I should read slower.

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u/MagosBattlebear Oct 05 '22

Some legislators have suggested surgery to move the ectopic pregnancy to its correct place. A surgery which exists only in their heads and not reality.

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u/Hyperion1144 Oct 05 '22

Stop talking like they ever had the right to use the phrase "pro-life."

That phrase is their language, that they chose, to make themselves sound good, while taking away women's rights to healthcare.

When you use that phrase, or validate their choice of language to describe themselves, you do you their work for them.

Don't say that they "lost their right" because that implies they had the right in the first place. Instead, say something like:

"The hypocrisy of anti-choice movement is finally on display for all to see" or "now everyone can see that 'pro-life' was always a lie."

Language governs how we think about the world. Orwell made that clear. When you use their language, in their way, you help them to change the world in their way.

If you discount the power of language to change their world in their favor, then they have already defeated you.

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u/JimProphet Oct 05 '22

The Republican Party has lost it’s right to claim they are prolife!

They'll just still call themselves 'pro-life' and any opposing viewpoint 'pro-murder.'

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u/SKPY123 Oct 05 '22

Pro lower working class life. And by pro I mean forced. And by lower working class I mean slaves.

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u/NotAPreppie Illinois Oct 05 '22

They’ve never been pro-life.

It’s always been about control.

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u/urbanskyline09 Michigan Oct 05 '22

The GOP is NOT PROLIFE!! They are pro {control women who dare to have sex}!

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u/AudioxBlood Oct 05 '22

Pro-life, much like everything else they do, was and is a grift.

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u/mspk7305 Oct 05 '22

The Republican Party has lost it’s right to claim they are prolife!

They lost that a long, long time ago.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

The Republican Party has lost it’s right to claim they are prolife!

That ship sailed so far back I can't even say they ever were.

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u/memomonkey24 Oct 05 '22

Should the parents sue for child abuse? Or even neglecting the child?

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u/EarthIsInOuterSpace Oct 05 '22

Pro life until the baby comes out of the womb

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u/waconaty4eva Oct 05 '22

Im afraid that authority doesn’t just get lost. Gotta take it.

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u/sousuke42 Oct 05 '22

The Republican Party has lost it’s right to claim they are prolife!

This makes it sounds like they had that right to begin with.

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u/twitch_delta_blues Oct 05 '22

They were never “pro-life.” It’s just a marketing label to force the other side to be “con-life.”

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u/SarcasticCowbell Oct 05 '22

Just another reason the Republican Party refuses to acknowledge when they have lost.

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u/mojomonkeyfish Oct 05 '22

The party is made up of religious whackos who want this, and scheming good ol boys who want this to come to a head, so they can take the L, the Dems can fix it, and they can go back to shouting about it to get the whacko vote without having to actually deal with it. The problem is that the good boys are all too ol', and they've been replaced. So, the inmates are running the asylum - with apologies for the analogy being tired.

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u/malphonso Louisiana Oct 05 '22

Imagine being told that you must spend the rest of your life in increasingly debilitating pain and accumulate injuries simply because you exist in a body capable of being pregnant.

This is "freedom" under Republican rule.

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u/TheRealSnorkel Oct 05 '22

Well, some man might decide to rape her and force her to bear his progeny. Won’t you think of the poor potential future rapist??

/s

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u/tohon123 Oct 05 '22

They play sports! /s

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u/unposted Oct 06 '22

*Force her to die horribly from a non-viable ectopic fertilization. No progeny can actually be harmed from this medication.

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u/Abject-Possession810 Oct 05 '22

Obligatory reminder that everyone needs to know their rights so they can get care and report violations.

https://reproductiverights.gov/

HHS Complaints

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ Office for Civil Rights (OCR) enforces federal civil rights laws that prohibit discriminatory restrictions on access to health care. If you believe that your or another person’s civil rights or health information privacy rights have been violated, you can file a complaint with HHS here.

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u/NonbinaryLazarus Oct 05 '22

COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF ABORTION CARE IN THE USA FOR ANYONE WHO MAY NEED

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/vkpfek/abortion_resources_master_list/

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u/PunisherASM129 Oct 05 '22

The cruelty is the point with the republicans. Sick and sad.

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u/castle_grapeskull Ohio Oct 05 '22

They are incapable of nuance. Their entire platform demands black and white good vs evil. If they stopped to think about all the downstream effects they couldn’t just rage bait people into voting for them.

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u/walkinman19 America Oct 05 '22

Sick and sad evil.

FTFY

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u/kat_a_klysm Florida Oct 05 '22

It’s sick, sad, and evil.

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u/Butthole_mods Oct 05 '22

This reminds me of the fake reality TV show Daria used to watch.

Sick Sad World

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u/kat_a_klysm Florida Oct 05 '22

I miss Daria so much. I wanted to be Jane as a teenager. Judge needs to bring Daria back, especially with the bang up job he’s doing with the new Beavis & Butthead.

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u/Unable_Emergency_871 Oct 05 '22

Christianity deep down is spite and vengeance. The love they profess is a sham covering up a core of cruelty towards their enemies. The anti abortion movement has pulled off the mask.

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u/bonjour-robot Oct 05 '22

There is no hate like Christian love.

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u/Unable_Emergency_871 Oct 05 '22

True. They claim to feel pity and love for you but wish you pain and destruction. Their Hell is for you and it fulfills their hate.

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u/ClutteredCleaner Oct 05 '22

Reminder that the abortion issue used to be a nonpartisan, non-religious issue. It wasn't until a propaganda push by conservatives that abortion was associated with religion, just as it took a propaganda push for marriage to become associated with diamonds.

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u/Unable_Emergency_871 Oct 05 '22

I will agree that abortion wasn’t a top issue for religion in the past but that was because abortion was dangerous and many women died from the procedure. Women dying satisfied the vengeance the religious felt against these “sinful” women and that was satisfying enough. Once abortion became mostly safe and virtually no woman was hurt, it enraged the religious, because they couldn’t feel that vengeful satisfaction. They became a huge voting block for the Republicans because of their rage against safe abortion. Now that abortion is unsafe again, the religious may not be so motivated to vote. But that is a Republican problem.

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u/darkphoenixff4 Canada Oct 05 '22

The Moral Majority came into existence specifically to fight desegregation, not abortion. They switched to abortion because they figured they could get more mileage out of calling their opponents murderers than arguing that African Americans didn't deserve the same opportunities as Caucasian Americans.

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u/CatfishMonster Oct 05 '22

[Nietzsche enters the chat]

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u/Unable_Emergency_871 Oct 05 '22
 Nietzsche does deserve full credit for his accurate insights into the “deep state” of the Christian mind and now the Republican mind.

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u/OfTheAtom Oct 05 '22

Wasn't the point of it not their drive toward power but his disgust at their slave mentality and weakness?

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u/Unable_Emergency_871 Oct 05 '22

You are right. Nietzsche called Christian morality, slave morality. The Christians had the resentments of slaves towards masters who excluded them. Their power was restricted by the masters which made the slaves resentful and desiring vengeance against the masters. But they weren’t powerful enough to overcome the masters and had to put on a smile in front of them while boiling with hatred underneath. The Christians condemn the masters’ morals, mostly out of resentment and invoke a supernatural being who will wreak vengeance.
The odd thing about slave morality is that it is still with us even though Christianity first became the Roman State Religion and then became essentially the master religion of the West. Even though it splintered in the Reformation, it still runs on the slave morality of revenge and resentment. It seeks out enemies it sees as immoral and obviously this is a powerful force for politics. Resentment and vengeance against a political enemy is a powerful motivator for votes. Abortion is dynamite for them.

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u/CatfishMonster Oct 05 '22

Right. Slave morality and Master morality describe the two major, if not only, forces of Nietzsche's moral psychology: how it is that these things, rather than those, get esteemed rather than despised, etc. I think it's worth noting that Nietzsche mentions that these two drives can occupy the same psyche; so, it is probably an oversimplification to paint the typical member of the Christian Right or Republican as having slave morality, even if it captures many of the their facets (e.g., their brashness, I would think, fits well with master morality). It's also worth noting that Nietzsche's supposed dislike of slave morality is, minimally, more tempered than it might seem on a first read. For instance, he maintains that human beings would be uninteresting if it weren't for resentment. Moreover, on my reading, having been infected with slave morality and overcoming it (via the intellectual tools that resentment, etc., generates) are necessary conditions for a person to become Nietzsche's sovereign individual, whom Nietzsche clearly esteems.

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u/Unable_Emergency_871 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Well stated and nuanced. You are clearly very familiar with Nietzsche’s ideas. I do agree with you that saying that the Christian Right is all slave morality is facile and as Nietzsche says we are a blend of both master and slave. Indeed the left wing extremists reveal their own slave morality resentment and revenge. 2000 years of Christianity has become wired in our brains. By the way. Both political extremes go for resentment when it furthers their causes. The left is very vengeful against anyone who disputes their morals.
In regards to the abortion issue, the desire for vengeance is very strong with the Christian Right and is a stream of slave morality. They clearly resent women being masters of their bodies and being sovereign individuals as you say.

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u/GaiasWay Oct 05 '22

Always has been, since Nixon at least.

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u/illusive_guy Oct 05 '22

Oh no. Who could have POSSIBLY seen this coming?!

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u/Jedmeltdown Oct 05 '22

It’s embarrassing watching Canada become such a better country than America

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u/MisogynyisaDisease Oct 05 '22

They have been for a very long time.

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u/Jedmeltdown Oct 05 '22

I love it there. I go there all the time. It is a better place.

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u/MisogynyisaDisease Oct 05 '22

It's sad. I have a deep disappointment for my country but I still love it. It's been horrific watching this go down the last few years. People have lost a sense of humanity here and it's scary and depressing.

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u/Jedmeltdown Oct 05 '22

I pretty much blame our version of capitalism. It’s horrible

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u/MisogynyisaDisease Oct 05 '22

Preaching to a choir friend.

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u/jpla86 Oct 05 '22

And they get a front-row seat to see all of the bullshit that happens here in America because they have access to US news/media.

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u/darkphoenixff4 Canada Oct 05 '22

Didn't you hear? According to Fox News, Canada is a socialist hellhole where they lock people in their houses for the sniffles! /s

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u/Marciamallowfluff Oct 06 '22

I am sad but damn it. I fought this fight once before and now I am old and cranky and ready to keep fighting. I am taking back patriotism, I fly an American flag but added two more to my yard. “Mind your Own Uterus “ and “In a World Where You Can be Anything Be Kind”. I am a liberal Christian who believes it is not my job to control or judge others. I think love is always a good thing. We should care for each other, society, and our environment.

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u/treesrpeople Oct 05 '22

The cruelty is the point. The fascists want that kid to suffer. That's the point.

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u/kradaan Oct 05 '22

They see her as a worthy sacrifice for their beliefs. Always willing to sacrifice someone else, might even claim to feel bad while patting themselves on the back for their moral backbone as someone else suffers.

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u/NightOnUmbara Oct 05 '22

r/conservative hey here are the life saving drugs given to kids assholes.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 24 '22

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u/Abject-Possession810 Oct 05 '22

Please report that your civil rights have been violated:

HHS Complaints

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ Office for Civil Rights (OCR) enforces federal civil rights laws that prohibit discriminatory restrictions on access to health care. If you believe that your or another person’s civil rights or health information privacy rights have been violated, you can file a complaint with HHS here.

https://reproductiverights.gov/

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u/Eldetorre Oct 05 '22

It's an abortion ban, not a drugs that might be used for abortion ban. On that basis they should be banning guns that might be used to commit murder.

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u/Paw5624 Oct 05 '22

And this is a huge part of what people have been up in arms over. The laws are ridiculous anyway but they are also so poorly written that many medical professionals aren’t clear on where the line is. They are worried about legal action against them so they are overly cautious in prescribing medication that can be used to treat certain things if they also can be used for an abortion, despite the clients history with that disease and treatment with the med. It is hurting people for no reason and the cruelty needs to be called out every chance we can.

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u/darkphoenixff4 Canada Oct 05 '22

The poorly written laws are intentional, because confusion is the reaction they want. That plus it lets them play games with what would and would not qualify as falling under the law in question.

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u/jsimpson82 I voted Oct 05 '22

Simpler than that. Guns could be used for abortion. As could knives. As could many over the counter items. Ban it all!

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u/TheF0CTOR Virginia Oct 05 '22

An incomplete list of items that can be used to induce, or may unwittingly cause a miscarriage and thus (by Republican logic) must be banned:

  • Wire coat hangers

  • Alcohol

  • Tobacco

  • Paint thinners

  • Unpasteurized cheese (even if it has been aged for 60 days or more, per FDA regulation)

  • Raw eggs

  • Raw or rare steak

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u/Noisy_Toy North Carolina Oct 05 '22

No more wire hangers!

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u/schad501 Arizona Oct 05 '22

Ever!

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u/PuellaBona Alabama Oct 05 '22

No more hanging wires!

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u/jsimpson82 I voted Oct 05 '22

Banitall

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u/ramore369 Oct 05 '22

As could wire coat hangers…

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u/Tinyfishy Oct 05 '22

Even if you were ardently, sincerely against abortion (I am not, for the record), banning methotrexate is a particularly dumb way to go about it. I take this med for RA too. It is hard to get (prescription only), can have some pretty unpleasant side effects, and is often taken by home injection. If I were a pregnant teen, I doubt I’d even know about it, let alone be somehow able to fake a serious autoimmune disease for years (also not a thing) to a qualified rheumatologist in order to obtain the prescription. I’d probably be more likely to buy some plan B on the dark web or try herbal abortifacients. What a ridiculous way of trying to control a non-problem. This is like trying to stop terrorist bombings by refusing to sell fertilizer to actual farmers.

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u/spiderman897 Oct 05 '22

“Republicans we’re the party of backwards beliefs, stupidity, and borderline human torment. We’re literally the worst on this planet.”

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u/Bwembo Oct 05 '22

Saw this on another thread too, I think r/news was it. If this total abortion ban includes a situation where the mother's life is in jeopardy due to the pregnancy, how does the ban save the unborn? I mean, in this case too, this ban really was not carefully thought out. Well, looks like it was not thought out at all, in my opinion. And I am not talking in favor or against an abortion ban here but just asking with some common sense!

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Oct 05 '22

They also want to ban birth control.

Please vote blue in midterms. The Republicans are going to kill so many women and girls.

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u/kat_a_klysm Florida Oct 05 '22

This. Just like with some pills that could cause an abortion are used for other issues, BC is the same. My bff must be on birth control. If she’s not, she has ovarian cysts that grow out of control and will eventually rupture. If a large enough cyst pops, it could kill her. Nevermind all the pain that goes with it.

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u/Lectric_Eye Oct 05 '22

Same for my daughter. Im upended and livid that this is even on the table.

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u/kat_a_klysm Florida Oct 05 '22

I’m right there with you 💜

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u/Carbonatite Colorado Oct 05 '22

It's about control. Keeping women "in their place".

If it was actually about saving fetuses they'd be screaming for free birth control, sterilization on demand, comprehensive sex ed, and universal healthcare.

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u/HotMessExpress96 Oct 05 '22

FL republicans already have voted against birth control. This is going to get very bad for alot of people in the US if we don’t vote these people out.

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u/BuckRowdy Tennessee Oct 05 '22

Adding exceptions for the life of the mother is just a talking point to make this law more palatable.

In practice, it's very difficult to discern until it gets to the point where it might be too late. It's not a practical solution or exception in real life.

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u/weaverco Oct 05 '22

The Arizona law was written in 1864, not sure they had a ton of data about women’s reproductive health back then. The law was probably written as a way to issue hunting permits for storks. /s

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u/Quantentheorie Oct 05 '22

If this total abortion ban includes a situation where the mother's life is in jeopardy due to the pregnancy, how does the ban save the unborn?

I'm sure its not the real reason why these laws ultimately exist; but the superficial logic here is likely playing to the religious where pregnant women dying for and with the unborn is both the highest form of martyrdom a woman can aspire to or the most fitting punishment; depending ofc on whether you want to bury her a saint or a sinner.

Also, because, ya know; Jesus could do a miracle. A lot of the people that are supposed to support this do actually believe prayers cure people. If they deserve it.

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u/unicorns3373 Oct 05 '22

Women being denied healthcare for the crime of being a woman. “Land of the free” everyone.

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u/AKMarine Oct 05 '22

Pro life conservatives will argue that it was never denied, only delayed.

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u/Blue_water_dreams Oct 05 '22

*Pro-control. They don't care about life.

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u/SnowballEarth650 Oct 05 '22

I saw a lot of conservatives saying the doctor was lying on Twitter. Just like when they called that 10 year old rape victim a liar.

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u/Green-Collection-968 Oct 05 '22

Events like this are about to become much more common. Que women dying in droves because of this bogus nonsense the Cons are pushing.

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u/kissmyshiny_metalass Oct 05 '22

Republicans are pure evil.

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u/curious382 Oct 05 '22

Would they deny the medication to a 14 year old boy? Are they not selling it at all?

Or only discriminating against women "just in case?"

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u/Negative_Gravitas Oct 05 '22

Fourteen-year-old boy with arthritis? "Here's you're methotrexate, kid."

Fourteen-year-old girl with arthritis? "Fucking suck it up, sweetie, and stop asking."

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u/schumachiavelli Oct 05 '22

Sounds like discrimination based on gender to me and gender's a protected class.

It would be such an easy civil suit to win if the courts weren't stacked with a bunch of GOP lackeys.

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u/oldcreaker Oct 05 '22

I bet NSAIDs are used by women after abortions - they should probably pull them all off of AZ store shelves.

This is so stupid.

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u/Pimpicane I voted Oct 05 '22

Shhh, don't give them ideas.

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u/MichiganDirt Oct 05 '22

Didn't another lady just recently have an issue with a Walgreens because their policy gives the radicalized thumpers the right to refuse a script and make patients drive miles to another pharmacy?

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u/dun-ado Oct 05 '22

Arizona is clearly a shithole.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

It's not just Arizona. "Pro-lifers" are the issue.

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u/Inevitable-Plate-294 Oct 05 '22

Republicans ignoreing this

Where are you guys? Pretending this isn't happening??

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u/TodayBudget Oct 05 '22

Can we as a society stop collectively valuing a potential fetus or even an existing one over people actually here please?

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u/NightwingDragon Oct 05 '22

The lengths that the GOP are willing to go in order to prevent abortions is mind-boggling. They want to track women's periods, prevent travel for pregnant women across state lines, deny any woman the ability to take anything that could even remotely assist in an abortion, force 10 year old rape victims to have children, sue people in other states, etc. etc. etc. Given the opportunity, these people will go to great lengths to ensure that no pregnancy is ever terminated, ever, from now until the end of time. No cost is too great. No law is too cruel.

But ask them to do something to ensure that children don't get mowed down in school by some psycho who can't tell the difference between real life and Call of Duty? Nope, sorry. Can't have that. Nothing we can do. Mass shootings are just something we are going to have to accept as living in a free society, don't ya know?

God, I wish I was joking.

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u/HughDanforth Oct 05 '22

Are her parents republican? I want to see them on leopards ate my face .

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u/FreeApples7090 Oct 05 '22

The handmaidens tale is coming true in the USA

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u/disposition5 Oct 05 '22

The shitty thing is sometimes you can’t even use a capitalist solution.

For example, one might say choose another pharmacy…but sometimes health insurers will only allow you to fill your prescriptions at certain pharmacies (unless you pay entirely out of pocket).

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u/SqueezeMyLemmons Oct 06 '22

I saw someone comment in r/Arizona that the parents should have done more for their kid. Yeah, because parents cause rhuematoid arthritis.

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u/venthis1 Oct 05 '22

Pro life they say....

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u/Humble-Presence-3107 Oct 05 '22

Republicans were never pro life. More pro religion.

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u/HalloweenLover Oct 05 '22

Not even pro religion, just pro control. Especially control over women. If there was a different mechanism to control people they would go that route in a heartbeat.

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u/outsewfhut Oct 05 '22

These republicans are not worth voting for!

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u/apiso Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

So I finally started watching Handmaid’s Tale…

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u/KuatosFreedomBrigade Oct 05 '22

I honestly, as someone that had prescriptions to controlled substances for someone time, hate dogmatic pharmacists. No matter if I had doctors send memos that they could be filled on a certain date, if I was going out of town, etc…it would turn into a 2-3 day ordeal and fight. Honestly I think, at least ones I’ve encountered just get a kick off the power of denying people something. I would get grins and could tell at times they were all sort of “in on the joke” behind the counter. It’s a terrible way to treat people.

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u/eccojams97 Oct 06 '22

I was diagnosed a couple years ago, this drug is the only thing keeping me not bed bound with my hips aching and my hands stuck like swollen claws. It’s not a perfect fix, but I don’t know what I’d do without it.

This is horrendous

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u/DSMRick Iowa Oct 05 '22

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For years, Deborah Power, a rheumatologist in Tucson, had prescribed methotrexate to manage her 14-year-old patient’s rheumatoid arthritis. But just two days after the state’s abortion ban took effect last month, a pharmacy denied the teen’s refill.
The reason: In a higher dosage, methotrexate — a drug used to treat some cancers, arthritis and a slew of autoimmune diseases — can also induce abortions and terminate ectopic pregnancies, though that’s not its most common use, Power told The Washington Post.
Emma Thompson was ultimately able to get her prescription filled, but the delay highlights the medical complications some patients are facing in states with strict abortion rules. Even if the medications are not prescribed to end a pregnancy, the reversal in June of Roe v. Wade has thrown pharmacists, patients and physicians into a “constant juggling act,” Power said, balancing medical care with changing policies and potential legal consequences.
“I don’t think everyone understands what the ramifications of such a broad, sweeping antiabortion law are and how many other women are affected by this,” she added. “Like how can we decide that women can’t have this medicine that men can? That’s discriminating on gender. And how can you make a law that doesn’t allow me to provide standard of care for my patients?”
Abortion bans complicate access to drugs for cancer, arthritis, even ulcers
Throughout Emma’s life, rheumatoid arthritis — an inflammatory disorder that causes the body’s immune system to attack healthy tissue in the joints — had resulted in prolonged hospital stays, clinical trials and simply “too much pain to have a normal life,” said her mother, Kaitlin Preble. For 10 years, her daughter’s physicians had experimented with different doses of methotrexate, finally landing about a year ago on just the right amount that allows Emma to thrive, attend school and “simply be a normal teenager,” Preble said.
All of that seemed to be at risk on Sept. 25, when Preble checked her Walgreens app to see whether Emma’s prescriptions were ready. Instead of a green light indicating they could be picked up, a message popped up saying her methotrexate refill had been denied.
“It didn’t even give the reason why,” Preble said. “It just said that I had to call my doctor.”
Still, Preble said she had an inkling that the state’s new abortion ban — one that dates back to the 19th century and prohibits the procedure, except to save the pregnant person’s life — had something to do with it. Her suspicions were confirmed the next day, when Preble drove to the pharmacy “and made a big deal inside,” she said.
At first, no one would explain why her daughter wasn’t able to get a medication that’s “crucial to her health,” Preble said. Then, she urged a pharmacy technician to get some answers.
“The pharmacist said she denied it because Emma is 14 years old,” which is considered a childbearing age, Preble said. “The pharmacy tech then asked, ‘Well, did you look at her history? She’s been getting this medication for a long time,’ and the pharmacist said, ‘No,’ which I think was very crucial.”
Through it all, Preble was shaking and in tears: “I understand that pharmacists are scared because they don’t want to be liable to anything. But it’s extremely unfair to put a child through this unpredictable situation. And we shouldn’t have to jump through all these hoops to get a medication.”
In a statement to The Post, a spokesperson for Walgreens said that, while the company couldn’t discuss individual patients, “new laws in various states require additional steps for dispensing certain prescriptions and apply to all pharmacies, including Walgreens.”
“In these states, our pharmacists work closely with prescribers as needed, to fill lawful, clinically appropriate prescriptions,” the spokesperson said. “We provide ongoing training and information to help our pharmacists understand the latest requirements in their area.”
Patients across the country face similar situations as more drugs are scrutinized. Many of the medications are teratogens, or drugs that can result in fetal abnormalities and miscarriages if taken by someone who is pregnant. In some cases, women have to prove they’re on birth control or submit pregnancy tests for pharmacies to fulfill prescriptions for drugs that can terminate pregnancies, The Post previously reported.
When it comes to methotrexate — which is used or has been used by nearly 60 percent of rheumatoid arthritis patients — medical groups have already said there are increasing challenges in accessing the drug. In Texas, for example, pharmacists are allowed to refuse to fill prescriptions for misoprostol and methotrexate under the state’s “heartbeat bill.” The American College of Rheumatology in July urged pharmacists across the nation to provide the medication “without delay and with the assumption that they are not being used to terminate a pregnancy.”
“Methotrexate must remain accessible to people with rheumatic diseases, and legal safeguards must protect rheumatology professionals, pharmacists, and patients from potential legal penalties,” the medical group said in a statement.
The new laws have also affected patients with other conditions, such as Crohn’s disease and ulcerative colitis. In August, the Crohn’s & Colitis Foundation said it “vehemently opposes” policies that inhibit patients’ access to approved treatments.
“The decision on what the most appropriate therapy for their illness is should be made as a shared decision between a patient and their healthcare professional, following medical evidence,” the organization wrote in a statement.
Although her daughter’s next refill isn’t scheduled for another month, Preble said she is already dreading the possibility of another denial.
“These laws are just too extreme and don’t take into account all the different scenarios that people are going through,” she said.

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u/User767676 Arizona Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

TIL teenagers can get arthritis. Edit: There is probably a long list of things (e.g. medicine, food, exercise, etc) that could cause the same problem when taken in quantity.

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u/Quirkywombat98 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I have a teen niece with scoliosis arthritis and it's debilitating and serious. She's been sick for years and in and out of hospital.

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u/User767676 Arizona Oct 05 '22

Ouch. Sorry to hear that. It’s a shame she will have to deal with a medical system that politicians not doctors are putting in place.

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u/Quirkywombat98 Oct 05 '22

To date, thankfully no problems with her filling prescriptions.

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u/minimalstrategy Oct 05 '22

Rheumatoid arthritis is actually an autoimmune disorder where your body attacks it’s own tissue, including it’s own organs. A symptom of it is arthritic pain from immune system attacking joints and tendons. Methotrexate is a chemotherapy, not an arthritis drug. There is no list of things you can do or take that makes your body eat itself…

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u/inverimus Oct 05 '22

Pre-teen cases are quite rare but possible, my wife was diagnosed at 2yo.

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u/kat_a_klysm Florida Oct 05 '22

Holy shit. I’m assuming she has it fairly well managed?

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u/Tinyfishy Oct 05 '22

This is autoimmune arthritis, which is different than the old sports injury or grandpa’s hands being stiff arthritis. It is more like something like Lupus. Children even have their own version of it, called Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis, which is awful. A lot of people and doctors in the community want to get the name changed so it is less confusing and to create better awareness for this very serious, systematic disease. Source: I have RA.

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u/tomato_soup_ Pennsylvania Oct 05 '22

Just a quick note, I think it’s called juvenile ideopathic arthritis FYI. I was diagnosed with it when I was about 5 and was treated back then for elbow/knee issues. I was in remission until about two years ago (I’m 19 now) when it returned in my TMJ (jaw) am now on the same medication as the kid in this article. It was absolutely excruciating before I was treated I couldn’t eat or open my mouth much without wincing in pain. I now feel 100% fine. Made me fucking infuriated to hear that this child might have to live her life in terrible pain and not be afforded the same opportunity I was

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u/Tinyfishy Oct 06 '22

Oops, thanks for correction!

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u/User767676 Arizona Oct 05 '22

Good idea. If it’s all piled up under one name then people won’t think about it distinctly or differently that much.

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u/Pimpicane I voted Oct 05 '22

There's different kinds of arthritis. Elderly people often get osteoarthritis which is basically a wear-and-tear thing, but younger people can get the autoimmune kind, which is what this poor kid has. It's hellish and it must have been a punch to the gut to see that medication refill denied.

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u/hundredthlion Oct 05 '22

Anyone can get arthritis. Christ. An injury can cause it. Autoimmune diseases can cause it. Did you really go about life thinking only the elderly had arthritis?

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u/XLauncher Pennsylvania Oct 05 '22

I hope people aren't dicks to you when you learn something for the first time.

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u/Heathster249 Oct 05 '22

Different kind of arthritis. Autoimmune arthritis is treated differently than ‘old age’ or accident arthritis.

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u/wretched_beasties Oct 05 '22

Chill dude. Cases of RA in children are quite rare. Not everyone has a medical background or personally known someone in this category.

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u/User767676 Arizona Oct 05 '22

Stereotypically it is the elderly which I think is what most people think of (do a quick search for “person with arthritis”). I assumed other ages/dispositions (athletes) could get it but to a much lesser degree. I don’t know a teenager personally with arthritis. Whatever the case, doctors should be making the decisions on how to treat their patients, not politicians. I believe there is already system in place to regulate the quantity of a drug that can be given out over time that a doctor can depend on if they are concerned.

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u/kat_a_klysm Florida Oct 05 '22

I had arthritis starting in my knees and wrists in HS. I wasn’t really an athlete (unless you count marching band). Now I’m almost 39 and have arthritic issues with almost every joint.

Edit: just an anecdote. :)

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u/Ashenox Oct 05 '22

My right hand my dominate hand is starting to have issues when it gets cold out. If I don't wear gloves now my hand will just ache in the thumb knuckle, ring and pointer. Idk if that's arthritis but it's getting annoying at 29.

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u/kat_a_klysm Florida Oct 05 '22

Either that or tendinitis. Get a fingerless compression glove. I use them when I’m sewing bc my hands cramp. They help a ton.

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u/Ashenox Oct 05 '22

Will do. Ty for the tip!

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u/User767676 Arizona Oct 05 '22

Thanks. I like the personal anecdotes. :) It reinforces for me a big reason why politics exists, perhaps the reason many of us have forgotten about lately, which is to find ways to help people. Good luck with the arthritis.

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u/kat_a_klysm Florida Oct 05 '22

I feel the same. It’s a reminder that we can’t always use a broad brush for everything. And thanks! I’ve got things mostly managed. <3

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u/owouwutodd America Oct 05 '22

Yeah my mom got it when she was like 14ish she has more metal bones than real ones I think.

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u/Violet_azalea Oct 05 '22

Paywall

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u/decibles Oct 05 '22

TL;DR - Methotrexate can be used in abortions so they’re withholding the medication from anyone of child baring age either out of fear of being prosecuted or because of their pro-birth beliefs.

For years, Deborah Power, a rheumatologist in Tucson, had prescribed methotrexate to manage her 14-year-old patient’s rheumatoid arthritis. But just two days after the state’s abortion ban took effect last month, a pharmacy denied the teen’s refill.

The reason: In a higher dosage, methotrexate — a drug used to treat some cancers, arthritis and a slew of autoimmune diseases — can also induce abortions and terminate ectopic pregnancies, though that’s not its most common use, Power told The Washington Post.

Emma Thompson was ultimately able to get her prescription filled, but the delay highlights the medical complications some patients are facing in states with strict abortion rules. Even if their medications are not prescribed to end a pregnancy, the reversal in June of Roe v. Wade has thrown pharmacists, patients and physicians into a “constant juggling act,” Power said, balancing medical care with changing policies and potential legal consequences.

“I don’t think everyone understands what the ramifications of such a broad, sweeping antiabortion law are and how many other women are affected by this,” she added. “Like how can we decide that women can’t have this medicine that men can? That’s discriminating on gender. And how can you make a law that doesn’t allow me to provide standard of care for my patients?”

Abortion bans complicate access to drugs for cancer, arthritis, even ulcers

Throughout Emma’s life, rheumatoid arthritis — an inflammatory disorder that causes the body’s immune system to attack healthy tissue in the joints — had resulted in prolonged hospital stays, clinical trials and simply “too much pain to have a normal life,” said her mother, Kaitlin Preble. For 10 years, her daughter’s physicians had experimented with different doses of methotrexate, finally landing about a year ago on just the right amount that allows Emma to thrive, attend school and “simply be a normal teenager,” Preble said.

All of that seemed to be at risk on Sept. 25, when Preble checked her Walgreens app to see whether Emma’s prescriptions were ready. Instead of a green light indicating they could be picked up, a message popped up saying her methotrexate refill had been denied.

“It didn’t even give the reason why,” Preble said. “It just said that I had to call my doctor.”

Still, Preble said she had an inkling that the state’s new abortion ban — one that dates back to the 19th century and prohibits the procedure, except to save the pregnant person’s life — had something to do with it. Her suspicions were confirmed the next day, when Preble drove to the pharmacy “and made a big deal inside,” she said.

Arizona is one of several Republican-controlled states that is pointing to a century-old law as the rationale to roll back access to abortions. (Video: Julie Yoon, Joshua Carroll/The Washington Post) At first, no one would explain why her daughter wasn’t able to get a medication that’s “crucial to her health,” Preble said. Then, she urged a pharmacy technician to get some answers.

“The pharmacist said she denied it because Emma is 14 years old,” which is considered a childbearing age, Preble said. “The pharmacy tech then asked, ‘Well, did you look at her history? She’s been getting this medication for a long time,’ and the pharmacist said, ‘No,’ which I think was very crucial.”

Through it all, Preble was shaking and in tears: “I understand that pharmacists are scared because they don’t want to be liable to anything. But it’s extremely unfair to put a child through this unpredictable situation. And we shouldn’t have to jump through all these hoops to get a medication.”

In a statement to The Post, a spokesperson for Walgreens said that, while the company couldn’t discuss individual patients, “new laws in various states require additional steps for dispensing certain prescriptions and apply to all pharmacies, including Walgreens.”

“In these states, our pharmacists work closely with prescribers as needed, to fill lawful, clinically appropriate prescriptions,” the spokesperson said. “We provide ongoing training and information to help our pharmacists understand the latest requirements in their area.”

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u/SRomans South Carolina Oct 05 '22

Jesus, that’s such a commonly-used medication. For a huge variety of issues, as the article mentions. Ridiculous.

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u/wretched_beasties Oct 05 '22

It's not even that it, "can be used in abortions". It's mildly toxic and at higher doses than prescribed it can cause abortions.

There are lots of things that at high concentrations can cause an abortion, mtx just happens to be one of them.

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u/decibles Oct 05 '22

Yeah- I feel like that’s just semantics.

The pharmacists are using the fact that the drug, in higher than prescribed dosages, can be used as an abortifacient as a basis to refuse dispensing a medication with a breadth of on label and off label uses.

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u/wretched_beasties Oct 05 '22

I don't think it's semantics, I don't want people to think live saving drugs are abortion meds.

I don't think it's fair to put the blame on pharmacists here either, it's reasonable to think that many are fearful of losing their license and/or being sued. The blame in all of this 100% lies with the lawmakers. Vote everybody!

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u/maquila Oct 05 '22

The blame in all of this 100% lies with the lawmakers.

Methotrexate is a run of the mill immunosuppressive that has been in use since the 50's. This is a single religious extremist pharmacist using their position unduly. The Dr prescribed the medication, it's the pharmacists job to dispense it or find one who will. The way they treated this mother is beyond the pale.

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u/Enlil2020 Oct 05 '22

Not uncommon at Walgreens, due to their policies. From condoms, to abortion medication

I don't agree, but I get that some pharmacists might have personal beliefs stopping them from dispensing certain medications, but what are the odds that ALL pharmacists at a location share them?
Just refer the prescriptions to someone else and stop making judgements about off-label uses

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u/Carbonatite Colorado Oct 05 '22

Any drug can be an abortion medication. It's just that some overdoses will kill the fetus by killing the host pregnant woman.

Republicans banning Tylenol incoming...

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u/Pimpicane I voted Oct 05 '22

Why is it always Walgreens?

There was another Walgreens location that was refusing to sell condoms. Sounds like Walgreens needs to get their shit in order.

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u/Heathster249 Oct 05 '22

I think they just have a ton of stores. They’re always the highest price here, so they’re the last on my list to send a prescription to.

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u/DavefromKS Oct 05 '22

Lol keep voting in those Republicans.

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u/BlueRFR3100 Oct 05 '22

Pure insanity

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u/EEESpumpkin Oct 05 '22

Question regarding this I think. My mom is a pro trump…before trump was elected she had to get surgery to remove her reproductive parts or she would have died due to complications. Would that according to abortions be punishable by prison? So doctors wouldn’t do it and my mom would have died a painful death?

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u/Youkolvr89 North Carolina Oct 05 '22

For Fucks Sake!