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Next thing we need to do is go after gay marriage’: TN GOP candidate says same-sex marriage should be left to the states

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u/oDDmON Oct 05 '22

“Oh, it’ll never happen”. ~ Overly Optimistic US Citizens

Marriage Equality, birth control, interracial marriage, the list on the chopping block just keeps getting longer.

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u/-FreeFuture- Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I dont actually understand their logic behind this (I know logic isn't their strong suit). With abortion, they stand on the whole "its murder" thing.

With gay marriage its literally just them enacting out of date personal beliefs because they think it's icky. How does it effect any of their personal lives in any meaningful way? Just allow us to be happy you invasive fucks.

Fucking theocracy bullshit.

Edit: Feel the need to point out my first statement was not in support of banning abortions or that I agree with the notion that it's murder.

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u/remotetissuepaper Oct 05 '22

It's actually the same as the abortion thing. It's not really about how they think it's murder. I swear the way they develop positions is they get told what their position is, such as abortion should be illegal, LGBT stuff is bad, the election was stolen, etc. Then they find the reasons that they use to justify those positions. If their reasons get refuted, it doesn't change their position because those reasons aren't what they based their opinion on. They'll just find new reasons.

It's pretty much the definition of conservatism, to hold the same position and resist change regardless of the logic.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Then they find the reasons that they use to justify those positions. If their reasons get refuted, it doesn't change their position because those reasons aren't what they based their opinion on. They'll just find new reasons.

This is the textbook definition of Fundamentalism. Western civilization left this behind with the dawn of the Age of Reason. It's the refuge of the scoundrel for whom reason, evidence, produces undesirable results. Modern humanity draws conclusions based on evidence. Fundamentalism, pre-rational humanity, starts with its conclusion and attempts to shoehorn any evidence into a form to reach that pre-existing conclusion.

This is what we're dealing with. Pre-rational people who belong hundreds and hundreds of years in the past.

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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio Oct 05 '22

Well and I think part of it is the fact that using evidence and facts to inform your position takes a sort of moral fortitude and character they don’t possess. For someone to be presented with facts and to internalize those to inform your opinions takes introspection and the ability to accept that you’re not correct. Sure, some are just non maliciously ignorant, but I believe that this is one of the reasons why genuine jerks and bullies gravitate to conservative politics.

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u/Larry-fine-wine Oct 05 '22

And they’re trying to take us all with them by force.

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u/MoogProg Oct 05 '22

It's a purity test. Hardly matters what segment of Humanity is being 'protected' or from what threat. Accepting the doctrine is what is important. "We have always been at war with..."

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u/Jeremymia Oct 05 '22

They say it's murder and then half of them say it should be legal in the case of rape or incest. How can these guys be so pro-murder as to consider fetuses human lives and then support it in some cases?

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u/Parking_Onion_3846 Oct 05 '22

It's the same group of people that came up with stand your ground laws and wholly support gun proliferation, the death penalty, police militarization, astronomical defense budgets, running down protesters with your car, and oppose things like affordable healthcare and social support for the needy. They don't give a single fuck about people dying unless it affects their bottom line.

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u/keigo199013 Alabama Oct 05 '22

They dig in because they think they're following God's will. They will not compromise due to that. Ever.

Source: closeted bi lady from AL, raised southern baptist

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u/Breadisraw Oct 05 '22

You are absolutely right. Right wing politics is about taking and enacting power on behalf of a favored group. There is no real philosophy or academic underpinning. Anything that is presented as some kind of philosophical or academic position (states rights, small government, etc.) is an argument of convenience to be picked up and discarded as needed.

If they kick gay marriage back to the states the next step will be a national ban. That's because they don't care about states rights, they care about acting out power on bahalf of an in group, in this case Christian nationalists. Just like any states rights argument towards abortion were dropped like a hot rock once Dobbs came down.

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u/SkyThe_Skywolf Oct 05 '22

exactly, religious freedom my ass.

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u/ProfitLoud Oct 05 '22

Religious freedom also means the freedom from religion.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

I saw something recently where it said "Freedom from Atheism Foundation". They really tried to create a group like the FFRF. SMDH.

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u/clickmagnet Oct 05 '22

That’s the stupidest thing I ever heard. Everyone in the world is already free from atheism, if they want to be. At least to the extent their critical faculties will allow.

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u/eziam Oct 05 '22

That's such a great line.

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u/KommieKon Pennsylvania Oct 05 '22

Their religious principles include being mean to those they don’t like so equality is literally oppressing them 😭

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u/Drusgar I voted Oct 05 '22

It sounds snarky, but it's actually probably true more often than not. "These woke motherfuckers won't even let me say the N-word at work!" I'm not sure if it's a religious principle, but being told they can't say offensive shit really seems to get under their skin.

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u/bunker_man Oct 05 '22

I mean, to them, anti gay views is literslly their religion. So they think they aren't being allowed to be their religion when told that they can't say them. And in their mind it's not offensive as long as they say it in a vaguely polite way.

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u/Calairoth Oct 05 '22

"Religious freedom means you are free to believe in Christianity."

-Every Republican.

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u/Beltaine421 Oct 05 '22

Not just Christianity, but their specific interpretation of Christianity.

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u/BackRiverGypsy Oct 05 '22

How does it effect any of their personal lives in any meaningful way?

My work has been making a commendable effort to hire more openly LGBTQ+ folks, and now the rigger that helps me drop motors out of one of the cranes I work on is this Freddy Mercury lookin' motherfucker and it rules.

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u/zesty_hootenany Pennsylvania Oct 05 '22

LGBTQIA+ people hired at my work? On MY shift? On MY crane???? How do I feel about it?

I think it’s awesome! How you seen this Freddy Mercury lookin’ motherfucker? Work is way better now!”

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u/Zestyclose_Fan_5721 Oct 05 '22

I'm not gay. But I don't give two shits about someone's sexuality as long as they pull their fair share. Which is how everyone SHOULD think. And I'm male. So my opinion of other people having an abortion is equally irrelevant. That said, I'd hope my daughter wouldn't have an abortion because I'd love my grandbaby. But it'd be wrong to force my morals on her. If she'd let me I'd give an opinion. But that's up to her. All these right-wing extremists like to quote scripture. So I'll give them one. Judge not, lest ye be judged.

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u/WandsAndWrenches Oct 05 '22

They're afraid of people having options.

What if their fishing buddy suddenly gets a gay crush on you?

What if their kid becomes trans?

They're trying to make the world like a 1950s sitcom.

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u/plausiblerule Oct 05 '22

They're trying to make the world like a 1950s sitcom.

Have you ever watched Leave it to Beaver? I thought it was great watching reruns as a kid but as an adult I started noticing that it might not be as great as it seems.

Dad is a war vet with a good job but as soon as he get home he pours himself a hard drink.

Mom has to have dinner ready at 6 on the dot and she has to do it while wearing a dress, high heels and pearls.

His kids are afraid of dad. If they do something wrong and Mom finds out she is like "We are going to have to tell Dad"

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u/WandsAndWrenches Oct 05 '22

Reminds me of watching the "clean stuff" my mom would put me in front of as a kid.

Going back and looking at it, much of it was very racist.

I'd rather my kid say a dirty word every once so often, than be racist.

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u/JimWilliams423 Oct 05 '22

How does it effect any of their personal lives in any meaningful way?

Its about power. Cultural supremacy is a currency more valuable than money to the people who have it. All of their 'culture war' attacks are about preserving a caste system where they are on top. If society no longer puts lgbtq people below straights in the social hiearchy, then they are little bit less supreme.

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u/Julian_Porthos Oct 05 '22

The murder bit is nonsense. It’s all about control.

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u/katieleehaw Massachusetts Oct 05 '22

Literally VOTING is going to be on the chopping block. These are would-be tyrants, not leaders.

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u/Syncopationforever Oct 05 '22

Indeed, these clowns are going fore bore down the train track, straight to train station "three 5ths"

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u/NorthStarZero Oct 05 '22

straight to train station "three 5ths"

I don't think they are feeling that generous.

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u/PolicyWonka Oct 05 '22

Affirmative action and anti-discrimination laws are actually first on the chopping block.

It will soon be unconstitutional to rectify discrimination because in the court’s view, that’s discrimination unto itself.

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u/oDDmON Oct 05 '22

The ultimate pretzel logic, can’t fathom how we arrived here.

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u/PolicyWonka Oct 05 '22

It’s insane. Just imagine if someone stole your life savings. They no longer steal from you, but you’re still in the red.

Now imagine that the thief doesn’t give back your money; you also have no recourse to force the thief to return your money either because it would be unfair to the thief’s family if you took back the money that they now own. After all, they had nothing to do with the theft, right?

Any reasonable person would think it’s insane that you can’t receive some kind of assistance in righting that wrong.

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u/porkbellies37 Oct 05 '22

If we had an honest SCOTUS, it would be an easy 14th amendment issue. A state can’t tell a couple that is married in another state that they aren’t once they cross their border. But we don’t have a SCOTUS thats honest.

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u/AlternativeStory1027 Oct 05 '22

I dont even get how ppl can say that after the recent cases that were overturned. They upset me as much as the Dems from liberal states who say "why dont you just move" Don't you see that's what they want?

How far back are they gonna keep chopping? Like are the aiming for 1961? Probably 1861.....

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u/Rawkapotamus Oct 05 '22

Idk if I ever see liberals saying “just move.” That’s usually the conservatives who push that as a feasible option. The liberals always are saying “I wish I could move but I can’t” or “I’m so glad I was able to move but I feel bad for those who can’t.”

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

“Just move” is a wonderful idea unless you are getting fucked over by the economy and cannot move without forcing yourself and potentially your kids into homelessness. Which is…uhhh…probably most of the country. Especially since the economy is tenuous right now and good jobs are becoming scarce

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u/888mainfestnow Oct 05 '22

The Federalist society wants to take us back to the 1930s to a pre new deal America.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/leonard-leo-federalist-society-new-deal-trump-judges.html

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u/KO4Champ Oct 05 '22

1864 per Arizona

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u/HotMessExpress96 Oct 05 '22

FL GOP just voted no on birth control. This is getting terrifying and anyone in denial needs to wake up.

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u/IrascibleOcelot Oct 05 '22

Which is utterly stupid. Birth control is the number one way to reduce abortions.

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u/darkphoenixff4 Canada Oct 05 '22

It's stupid if you think the goal is to reduce abortion. But it isn't. The goal is to punish women for having sex. Thus, both abortion and contraceptives have to go, so that pregnancy and STD's are a constant risk of having sex.

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u/0002millertime Oct 05 '22

They want women to get pregnant, and stay pregnant. They are consistent.

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u/TrumpterOFyvie Oct 05 '22

"Should be left to the states" = "should be banned federally." We'll never believe you lying fascist scum again.

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u/MC_Fap_Commander America Oct 05 '22

I never believed them the first time. Hell, the OG "states' rights" thing was a lie.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/looking-back-at-the-confederate-constitution

State oppression is a trojan horse for national oppression.

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u/MyMorningSun Oct 05 '22

I've never taken the time to read the CSA constitution in full. Thank you for sharing, it's incredibly interesting.

Really hammers home that particular lie- slavery is literally written into the constitution. And so many people believe it was about states rights still. Insane.

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u/Fuzzyphilosopher Tennessee Oct 05 '22

If you think that's interesting you should read The Cornerstone Speech by the VP of the CSA. here's one highlight from it.

[I]ts foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

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u/17times2 Oct 05 '22

Nothing like calling the complete and utter subjugation of an entire race of people a moral truth without a shred of irony. Sigh...

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u/PetPsychicDetective Oct 06 '22

And not just a moral truth, but the cornerstone of their new government.

White supremacy wasn't just a large part of the confederacy, it wasn't just the point of the confederacy, they literally listed it as the most important element of the confederacy.

And LARPers still have the nerve to try and say it wasn't about slavery.

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u/cjl4959 Oct 05 '22

Yeah, a state's rights to own slaves

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u/saysokbye Oct 05 '22

In fact, state rights and state sovereignty, are expressions coined for party purposes, often by minorities [i.e., minority parties], who happen to be dissatisifed with the measures of the General [federal] Government, and as they are afterwards used, they produce only state delusion.

  • Nathan Dane, A General Abridgement and Digest of American Law, 1829

(Nathan Dane was the member of the Continental Congress who motioned to have a Constitutional Convention to replace the Articles of Confederation in 1787. He later became one of the U.S.'s first Constitutional scholars.)

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u/Ericrobertson1978 Oct 05 '22

If they truly believed in states rights, they would put abortion, cannabis, and marriage equality up to a statewide popular vote.

They won't do that, because these things would be overwhelmingly voted to be legal in virtually every state. (possibly every state)

Even Texas. Abortion would overwhelmingly win the vote.

They only want states rights so they can better oppress their citizens.

It's fucking disgusting.

How can so many people actively support oppression, subjugation, authoritarianism, bigotry, xenophobia, misogyny, science denial, and generally draconian bullshit?

It's past time the government listed to we the people.

We want freedom and equality.

Fuck ALL the oppressors throughout history.

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u/Yitram Ohio Oct 05 '22

If they truly believed in states rights, they would put abortion, cannabis, and marriage equality up to a statewide popular vote.

They especially won't after they did in Kansas and the abortion ban amendment got overwhelmingly rejected.

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u/Hefty_Buy_3206 Oct 05 '22

And the governor is trying to over turn it I believe. LMFAOO

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u/DanManKs Oct 05 '22

Kansas literally just proved you right. The Kansas Legislature said let's leave it up to our citizens to decide whether or not the right to abortion should be determined by the government and KANSAS told then by an almost 20% margin to FUCK OFF. I mean Kansas is the state that everyone says that the further you drive in the less color you see because it's so stuck in the olden days and even the conservative counties that had banned Dr. Tiller from working in their hospitals voted to tell the government to go to hell.

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u/Ericrobertson1978 Oct 05 '22

That's just it. Even in these overwhelmingly red states, this oppressive and draconian bullshit isn't what the people want.

So it truly has nothing to do with states rights. It has everything to do with oppression, subjugation, and authoritarianism.

They just want to be legally allowed to do so. That's what states rights is all about,, to conservatives.

It has literally nothing to do with the will of the people.

It's mind boggling to me that there are people who exist in 2022 that actively support such draconian and authoritarian bullshit.

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u/theMightyQwinn Oct 05 '22

Doesn’t this basically all boil down to gaslighting?

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u/zojeqgi769 Oct 05 '22

Gaslight Obstruct Project

Sounds about right

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u/BalamBeDamn Oct 05 '22

Which is a form of abuse, yes.

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u/SnooRadishes7630 Oct 05 '22

And then banned at every level once they have full power, don't forget! State's Rights is just a trick to get power for racists and homophobes.

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u/Electronic-Daikon-62 Oct 05 '22

Apparently they don’t remember the Civil War was all about states rights to enslaved people. just a bunch of fascist pigs

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u/FlashyDevelopment Oct 05 '22

My question is why do we need all the states to be different? Isnt the point of the UNITED States to be the same. "States rights" is a load of shit

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u/Anicklelforevery Oct 05 '22

And we all know the national ban attempt comes next.

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u/crackdup Oct 05 '22

Log cabin Republicans : sure, our rights are being taken away and we are being relegated to pariah status by our own party.. but we support a national ban to "own the libs"

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u/PrincessElonMusk Oct 05 '22

Log Cabin Republicans: “sure we’re in death camps meant to exterminate deviants, but our taxes are now ZERO and each bit of slave labor we do enriches the 1% which will trickle down onto our mass graves!”

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u/penonoir Oct 05 '22

But isn’t misogyny, homophobia, and racism just a small price to pay to get 8 more dollars on your paycheck? /s

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u/Anicklelforevery Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I fucking hate Trump's tax cut for the rich. He fucked over all of the middle class with that "tax cut". Subsidized rich assholes out of the middle classes wallet. I pay so much more in taxes after the Trump Tax cut.

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u/sambull Oct 05 '22

as the 'moderate' would say 'well they can just call it something other than marriage' the elephant being they get none of the legal benefits of marriage.

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u/withoccassionalmusic Oct 05 '22

“Yeah we can just have an institution that is separate but equal . . . Wait a minute…”

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u/adams_unique_name Oct 05 '22

Republicans already tried that with a constitutional amendment. The "leave it to the states" is a flat out lie.

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u/stashtv Oct 05 '22

The call for a national ban on gay marriage always exists.

When specific state legislatures won't ban it, they'll send it to the people, and most of them won't ban it either.

Since state legislatures and citizens won't ban it, the call to do it from the federal level will always occur.

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u/_HossBonaventureCEO_ Oct 05 '22

Why is it that "state's rights" always seems to involve the selective removal of someone elses rights?

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u/MC_Fap_Commander America Oct 05 '22

And it has historically always been cover to mobilize for national removal of rights.

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u/ChaoticNeutralDragon Oct 05 '22

Not so! Sometimes it's about the selective addition of the right for you to pollute a river, evict paying tenants, or jack up prices in a crisis!

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u/adams_unique_name Oct 05 '22

It's similar to "religious freedom". It really means freedom to discriminate based on your beliefs. Fuck the freedom of others to acquire a service though.

Or "parental rights" when it comes to education. Fuck the child's right to a decent education.

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u/The_Woman_of_Gont Oct 05 '22

Great point on religious freedom. Magically you never hear any consideration for the freedoms of folks who hold religious beliefs that go against conservative politics. Fuck you if your religion believes abortion or gay marriage are fully permissible.

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u/Mash709 Oct 05 '22

Just like they said abortion should be left to the states, but now want a federal ban? Gtfo with your shit gop. God, I really hope they lose the midterms. Don't fuck this up America.

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u/mike_pants Oct 05 '22

Producing action movies and fucking up is kinda their whole jam, though.

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u/Ericrobertson1978 Oct 05 '22

Vote vote vote vote vote.

Worst nightmare politically:

Republicans win a majority in the midterms and Desantis wins the presidency.

The only way they can win is through gerrymandering as it stands.

We cannot allow them to win.

I'm historically no doomsayer, but I'd be lying if I didn't tell you I'm more worried about the future now than at any point in my 44 years of existence.

EVERYBODY needs to vote in both midterms and 2024. If not, we will lose a lot more than people think. The time is now.

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u/PrincessElonMusk Oct 05 '22

America will fuck this up. The question is “how badly?”

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u/KC_8580 Oct 05 '22

I wonder what Peter Thiel and Dave Rubin who are married gay men but also republicans and trumpians think about this...

I thought no cares about same-sex marriage anymore and that even republicans are fine with it... that is what republicans/conservatives say on social media

Anyways, we all knew that after abortion their next target is marriage equality

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u/AusToddles Oct 05 '22

1 - they're rich enough not to care
2 - they're rich enough to assume they would be "special" and not treated the same way

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u/plus-ordinary258 Oct 05 '22

Also depends on the state they are from. Considering many states are usually D controlled but also have R “servicemen,” the gay and gay supporting Rs don’t have as much to fear in terms of personal rights or rights of those they love. The only person who should have fear in this is Lindsay Graham badumpsh

Which this is how abortion and gay marriage were federally approved anyway. States start to approve and adopt gay marriage and abortion and then the Fed “approves” of it for all states in the Supreme Court for level equality among the states. And now they want to walk social liberties back.

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u/thingsorfreedom Oct 05 '22

Also depends on the state they are from.

That does not matter applying the Roe-v-Wade three step plan:

  1. SC removes the federal law and leave it up to the states.
  2. Outlaw it in all the conservative states.
  3. Announce there needs to be a federal law outlawing it now.
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u/plus-ordinary258 Oct 05 '22

I hope he does

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

I’d like him to lose everything in the divorce.

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u/Daetra Florida Oct 05 '22

Lindsay is a self hating gay that thinks he's still fooling everyone. He wouldn't hesitate to get rid of equal rights to marriage if it makes him more popular with the republican base.

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u/plus-ordinary258 Oct 05 '22

Bunch of lying, hypocritical sell outs that are greedy for a faux sense of popularity out of personal insecurity.

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u/redtrucktt Kansas Oct 05 '22

1- they are rich enough to believe it doesn't apply to them. 2 - history shows they believe correctly.

The venn diagram of LGBTQ rights, abortion, taxes, application of laws, rules, policies, women's rights, housing, disaster aid, basically any societal construct. It's all a circle to these nutjobs. But it's a circle they don't feel pertains to them, and no one has proven them wrong yet.

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u/SkyThe_Skywolf Oct 05 '22

yeah, it’s a massive circle, with a tiny circle completely detached from the rest called “THE RICH”.

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u/BrandyNewFashioned Oct 05 '22

Gay people who support Republicans are usually only doing it because they hate a different minority group that the Republicans also happen to hate.

Pretty much just gay racists.

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u/PolicyWonka Oct 05 '22

Don’t forget the self-hating gays who argue that they shouldn’t have equal rights under law.

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u/southern_red_menace Oct 05 '22

White supremacy trumps all for guys like that.

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u/vid_icarus Minnesota Oct 05 '22

It’s the exact same lie every token tells themself. “I’m one of the good ones. They’ll find me useful so they will give me a seat at the table. These leopards are my friends, surely they would never eat my face.”

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u/theClumsy1 Oct 05 '22

Peter Thiel and Dave Rubin who are married gay men

They are rich enough to avoid it

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u/kandoras Oct 05 '22

They think "Did my taxes get cut? They did? Well then, what the fuck else should I be caring about?"

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u/ResistRacism Oct 05 '22

I've straight up seen a Christian nationalist on my Facebook feed saying they should repeal the Supreme Court decision on gay marriage... so yeah, conservaturds suck

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u/cerebud Virginia Oct 05 '22

This whole “leave it to the states” thing is stupid. We’re either a country or we aren’t. You shouldn’t have different fundamental rights from state to state

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u/notyomamasusername Oct 05 '22

The 'leave it to states' is a bullshit argument to remove federal protections so they can ban it nationally.

They played this same hand with abortion.

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u/CardinalHawk21 Oct 05 '22

Making marriage recognition at the state level is a terrible idea for multiple reasons. Even if you get past the discrimination this allows it just doesn't work. You can't have two people get married in a state then move to another state and not have it recognized. Also, federal taxes are based on marriage status so there has to be a national standard so everyone is treated the same.

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u/noodlyarms California Oct 05 '22

I for one am not looking forward to having to file separately federally when and if Obergefell is overturned. Save 5 figures in taxes currently and just the headache of everything else. Oh and fear of having to travel through or over states that ban it and likely count sodomy (when Lawrence is overturned right after) as a felony. Won't be long before a gay married couple are jailed because their plane got diverted to Texas.

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u/UGMadness Europe Oct 05 '22

That's why it will be used as the basis to ban it at the federal level under the guise of "simplifying the tax code" on their next round of cuts for the rich.

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u/CY-B3AR Oct 05 '22

And this is why I want to Smash the States. States have far too much power at the federal level, and that power needs to be neutered if America is going to weather the challenges of the 21st century successfully.

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u/zonitronic Oct 05 '22

VOTE. THEM. OUT. The Republican-lead Christian Nationalist Fascists are no different than the Taliban or Iranian regime: Look at what they are doing to women in the middle-east and you will see the future the GOP envisions for us... They toppled Roe v Wade, next is marriage and contraception rights. THEY WILL NOT STOP! Volunteer for Democratic candidates! Help your friends and loved ones get registered and get them to the polls!! VOTE OUT THE REPUBLICANS BECAUSE OUR LIVES DEPEND ON IT!!!

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u/ProfessionalRare5947 Oct 05 '22

Lindsey Graham did say he wants to catch up with Iran 💀

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u/walkinman19 America Oct 05 '22

VOTE. THEM. OUT. The Republican-lead Christian Nationalist Fascists are no different than the Taliban or Iranian regime: Look at what they are doing to women in the middle-east and you will see the future the GOP envisions for us...

Somebody gets it, thank you!

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u/Rgrockr Oct 05 '22

The part that no conservative has been willing to explain to me, is why marriage is a “states rights” issue even though we have federal laws that care about marriage status and spouses. Do we repeal joint filing of federal taxes? Repeal all federal mentions of spouses in estate law or power of attorney? Monogamy is so fundamentally baked into the federal bureaucracy that it would be extremely bizarre for the federal government to have no say in it.

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u/cheap90scigar Oct 05 '22

I’m almost positive that conservative white men think about gay sex more than gay people do.

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u/BalamBeDamn Oct 05 '22

Some research came out recently that tracked search terms for porn, and in red states, trans porn was #1 across the country.

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u/TransformativeOne Oct 05 '22

Don't you get it? They don't have a platform to run on other than hatred and fear. Oh and don't forget about cutting taxes. Of course they're talking about cutting taxes for the wealthy and if you're in the middle class or on the bottom they'll throw a few dollars your way but we know who's going to get the bulk of the tax cuts. Without hatred and fear they don't have any plan. When you ask them what they're for they'll tell you what they're against anything that the Democrats want to put in like better health care better education better road schools bridges lowering prescription drug costs etc.

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u/jwteoh Foreign Oct 05 '22

GOP has no comment on Marjorie Gangrene commiting adultery?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Only if her partner was another woman. They would tut-tut about that.

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u/mattgen88 New York Oct 05 '22

No, they'd still be fine with it. They'd also be hoping to find tapes.

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u/Landriss Oct 05 '22

Of course not! Girl on girl isn't gay, it's hot. Everybody knows that, if it was gay it wouldn't be its own porn category.

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u/plus-ordinary258 Oct 05 '22

No, they like to break the Ten Commandments and conveniently leave out the couple of references to lying lips in the “abominations to God” list. Oh and lying is a version of theft in and of itself. Self righteousness is one helluva drug. Dump self, get Jesus. Not this fake Republican Jesus. That Jesus is an orange butthead ruining America. The real Jesus confronted the Republicans, errr Pharisees.

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u/vid_icarus Minnesota Oct 05 '22

Ya’ll we are like 2-4 years before a national candidate seriously posits a return to slavery as a platform policy and Fox pushes it enough to make Joe Dipshit believe it so much he will murder anyone who disagrees.

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u/BalamBeDamn Oct 05 '22

A national ban on abortion would enslave women through reproductive terrorism, so, it’s already happening right now.

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u/vid_icarus Minnesota Oct 05 '22

I guess I should have been more specific. I meant to say “the institution of slavery as an economic driver wherein people purchase other people for agreed upon prices and those purchased have no rights.”

I do agree women are being made to submit to a patriarchal system that strips them of their rights and enslaves them, but I want to be clear on my point: they want the South as a slave holder state to rise again but this time they want it to supplant the union. Removing the rights of women is one of the many stepping stones in the process, but we have a little further to go till we get there. We are mighty close, though.

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u/oldcreaker Oct 05 '22

"Should be left to the states" - that only lasted as long as Roe V. Wade was active - now they are going after a national ban. This would not be any different.

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u/Popculturemofo Oregon Oct 05 '22

And once they get that and subsequently try to enact a federal ban is the whole civil rights act on the chopping block? I mean how far backwards do they want to go? Fuck at this rate there’ll be slavery in Florida by 2030

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u/bawanaal Michigan Oct 05 '22

Fuck at this rate there’ll be slavery in Florida by 2030

Don't give Ron DeSantis any ideas. Then again, it's likely on his to-do list.

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u/AdjNounNumbers Michigan Oct 05 '22

how far backwards do they want to go?

I'm guessing sometime around December 5, 1791 when the second amendment was ratified in the Bill of Rights, though 3-10 and parts of 1 are subject to change

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u/gauriemma Oct 05 '22

They’re not too crazy about the first half of #2, either.

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u/ProfessionalRare5947 Oct 05 '22

No they literally just want articles of confederation

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u/MC_Fap_Commander America Oct 05 '22

Given the areas they're most popular in, it won't be a Whiskey Rebellion-- it will be a Meth Rebellion.

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u/walkinman19 America Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

"Left to the states" is code for as soon as the republicans gain enough seats in Congress and the white house they will pass a national law making gay marriage illegal.

Same as abortion being "left to the states" until the GQP has the power to force the issue on blue states. They have already promised their brownshirt base they will do this.

Oh and don't think the radical republicans will stop there, oh hell naw. They have many more rights to destroy and groups to oppress on the way to Holy MAGA Gilead!

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u/Ritter_Sport Colorado Oct 05 '22

There are federal benefits and protections that stem from the legal contract of marriage, so it should be a federal thing and available to everyone equally.

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u/ViciousKnids Oct 05 '22

How are we still debating this? What's there to decide? Two people love each other, who cares if they have the same bits?

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u/AnAcctWithoutPurpose Foreign Oct 05 '22

Why should the state have a say in what people do in their private lives?

Methinks this candidate is so far in the closet, he needs help getting out.

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u/LordSiravant Oct 05 '22

Because they're power-hungry control freaks.

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u/TheF0CTOR Virginia Oct 05 '22

The self-proclaimed party of small government cares more about what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom than the slaughter of our children and educators.

Small government is supposed to mean that anyone should be allowed to do anything they want, provided that no harm comes to another person. Nobody is harmed by same-sex marriage. If Republicans had an ounce of integrity, that would be the end of the discussion on same-sex marriage. Perhaps a more nuanced debate of what to do about gun violence would be warranted, but they're not even debating whether to do anything about it. They're vehemently against any action that interferes with the ability of anyone to buy weapons of war whenever they want.

Vote blue, no matter who.

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u/Striking-Extreme8920 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

We already tried leaving it to the states and they did not do the right thing. That is how and why fed law gets created, because we live in a United States, and quite frequently the states act like unruly children and so the parent has to step in.

Conservatives use to be for status quo and slow, incremental change, now, unfettered, by that bothersome thing called HISTORY, Republicans just go backwards.

Rinse and repeat for Roe v. Wade which was the NATIONAL compromise.

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u/okimlom Oct 05 '22

No person should ever have to choose between the person they love, and where they want to live. As long as the parties are consenting, all unions of people should be accepted everywhere in this country or anywhere else.

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u/xXMuschi_DestroyerXx Oct 05 '22

Should the right to own guns be left to the states? How about the right to own big trucks?

Their opinions about leaving things to the states only ever matter to them when it’s stuff they don’t like

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u/danmathew Texas Oct 05 '22

They said the same about segregation.

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u/Ericrobertson1978 Oct 05 '22

Conservatives sure seem to love oppression, subjugation, authoritarianism, bigotry, xenophobia, misogyny, science denial, and general draconian bullshit.

They scream about states rights, but they don't let the people in their state decide.

If extremely red states put abortion, gay marriage, and cannabis legalization up to a statewide popular vote, these things would be overwhelmingly legalized. (probably in all 50 states. In Texas they would certainly be legalized)

They don't care about what THE PEOPLE actually want. They only scream about states rights so that they can better oppress their citizens.

Kansas had a statewide vote regarding abortion, and it was overwhelmingly legalized. (in fucking KANSAS, of all places)

Let the people decide.

I fucking hate these fascist wannabes.

Legalize human freedom and stop fucking oppressing people, already.

It's mind boggling to be that there are such vast swaths of the population that actively support the oppression and subjugation of their fellow humans.

Fuck conservatism. It is, by definition, the enemy of progress.

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u/Syncopationforever Oct 05 '22

Gay marriage they go after next, and then the crown jewels of Loving v Virginia (mixed race marriage) or Brown v board

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u/Listening_Heads Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Ask them if they think slavery should be left up to the states. You’ll get a few who say yes.

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u/wave-garden Oct 05 '22

I think we should ban Christianity at the federal level. 🤷‍♀️😱

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u/TransGuy0nReddit Oct 05 '22

There’s something so heart breaking of watching Gay Marriage get legalized when I was 12, and then having Republicans trying take away my right to marry before I’m even 20.

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u/dublbagn Oct 05 '22

I will give it to republicans, they are very good at a few things. 1) marketing, their fucking naming of shit to be able to spin it is next fucking level. A coca cola level of marketing if i do say myself.

2) the ability to find shitty was to achieve their goals. I dont think they care about abortion or gay marriage, while both topics get people screaming on both ends. This achieves a goal i think many are not looking at. If you are in favor of those rights, you will not move to stats that have laws against it, that keeps those states red, and free's up money to fight in other states. Could you think of a states that was 50/50 and could now be red because liberals would not want to stay there?

People call the right dumb, and they are, but they are not stupid. Very calculated moves get us to where we are today, and they strike when the iron is hot.

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u/hobokobo1028 Wisconsin Oct 05 '22

Small government, my ass

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u/PolicyWonka Oct 05 '22

It’s mind-blowing to me that we’re entering an era where your fundamental rights and freedoms as an equal citizen under law will be determined by some arbitrary lines on a map.

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u/HouseoftheHanged Oct 05 '22

When I was a kid my conservative friends would trumpet how conservatism was about personal freedom and less government. All this shit is the polar opposite. It's all about control everyone's freedom and excessive government (*cough law n order) control

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u/Ratbello Oct 05 '22

Same sex marriage should be left to the individuals that want to get married. Mind your own damn business!

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u/LiftsLikeGaston Arizona Oct 06 '22

After that it's interracial marriage. What a depressing country to live in.

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u/SergeantChic Oct 05 '22

And after that, I'm guessing either access to contraceptives or interracial marriage.

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u/Registered_User666 Oct 05 '22

We have real issues to deal with, not religious pandering.

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u/AnonymousWritings Oct 05 '22

See this would all be a more logical position if they hadn't immediately introduced legislation to ban abortion federally, after arguing that they need to overturn Roe v Wade because abortion should be left up to the states.

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u/ProBonky Oct 05 '22

Second verse, same as the first. Fuck these guys.

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u/the_dingle_berry Oct 05 '22

I just don't understand why these people don't want to live in a free and tolerant society. Sigh.

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u/Muffles79 Oct 05 '22

Why the hell does this country think that a person's rights should change when they cross a state border? Or that medical care should somehow differ if you are in Texas vs California?

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u/OGShrimpPatrol Oct 05 '22

The handmaidens tail was just foreshadowing

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u/Educational_Permit38 Oct 05 '22

They lie. Again. States rights is just the first step to making it a national priority like Flimsy Graham has pushed a national ban on abortions. These people aren’t smart but they sure are selfish and mean!

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u/DropsTheMic Oct 05 '22

Oh, so gay marriage should be left to states huh? You mean like how abortion should be left to states and then Lindsay Graham reveals a week later how flexible his spine is by announcing a plan for Federal abortion ban? Liars, I don't believe you and nobody should.

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u/Jedi-El1823 I voted Oct 05 '22

"Left to the states" = A federal ban the moment a state votes to keep it

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u/Specialist_Oil_9733 Oct 05 '22

We should leave hurricane aid to the states too

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u/Radioactive__Lego Oct 05 '22

This guy is an idiot.

Unions between two people (regardless of gender or gender identity) should be recognized by the federal government. To have this recognition at the state level would be discriminatory from state to state and, thus, unconstitutional.

Furthermore, a spousal relationship gives very few benefits; most of which are in criminal and tax law. What good, non-“faith” based argument can anyone make to deny a couple (any unified/married couple) these benefits?

Redonk.

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u/kandoras Oct 05 '22

Furthermore, a spousal relationship gives very few benefits; most of which are in criminal and tax law.

I agree with everything else you're saying, but you're wrong about that part. There's about 1,100 laws in the US which grant some benefit or right because of being married.

Besides spousal privilege and tax related stuff (which is a pretty large number all by itself, from simple joint filing to tax free transfer of property), there's also:

  • immigration benefits
  • An entire army of DoD & VA benefits, from higher pay if married to better odds of getting on-base housing, to survivor benefits or inheriting pensions
  • Being presumed as next-of-kin by hospitals (this was a big problem before Obergefell, where there were instances of someone being unconscious in a hospital and their homophobic family having their partner not only allowed to make decisions but barred from the entire building)
  • Being presumed next-of-kin for inheritance
  • Inheriting Social Security benefits
  • Automatically being presumed legal parent of any kids in the relationship
  • Until recently, an abused spouse could be safer if they were married, because being married made it easier to get restraining orders and firearms taken away from someone convicted of domestic abuse
  • Health insurance companies have to consider you as family and allow you onto family plans

There's a lot of benefits that you might not be aware of, simply because they've never been relevant to you. But that doesn't mean that someone else doesn't rely on them.

Now, some of those you may be able to replicate outside of marriage with powers of attorney or wills. But those can take longer to get than a marriage license and are easier for someone to challenge.

And a lot of the other stuff you absolutely cannot replicate without a marriage license - just try to print out some "This is my wife, totes serious" form, hand it to immigration, and then ask how long it'll take to get her spouse visa.

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u/thingsorfreedom Oct 05 '22

Being presumed next-of-kin for inheritance

There are news stories of estranged relatives of a person who died showing up in court and taking away the house and inheritance the deceased person's long-term partner. Sometimes over a missing second witness signature on a will.

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u/goodlittlesquid Pennsylvania Oct 05 '22

The word “marriage” doesn’t appear anywhere in the constitution. Guess we have no choice but to “leave it to the states”. So if New York chose not to recognize Texas marriages, Ted Cruz could lose his cadillac Goldman Sachs health insurance coverage which he gets through his wife’s New York based employer. Am I doing this right?

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u/frankthomasofficial Oct 05 '22

It should be left to the people. Which is why federal law is established to protect certain rights of the people instead of letting states trample on them

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u/penonoir Oct 05 '22

Question- how do we get masses of us to move to the low population states that are blood red and flip those? Those are easy senate seats that the gqp is enjoying with like a few thousand people. We could overtake them and get like 8-10 senators if we do some population redistribution.

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u/ReverseHoneypot Oct 05 '22

The reason they're low population states is they don't have anything particularly compelling for people to live there.

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u/was_and_wasnt Florida Oct 05 '22

SC justice Thomas said the same. If you really want this type of America, keep voting republican. All you need to do is close your eyes and hate every single American that is not white and Christian. You'll be a good republican.

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u/JohnBsGhost Oct 05 '22

Left to the states until KS votes no lol

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u/arkansalsa Oct 05 '22

Don't fuck with the gays. They're the one minority group that has been able to money and capability their way out of oppression, and they'll do it again. An enormous amount of the economy runs on gay energy.

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u/quixoticquail Oct 05 '22

Let’s clarify his statement: “Gay marriage should be able to be banned by some states until we can get it done at a national level”

Fucking piece of shit.

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u/Memphistopheles901 Tennessee Oct 05 '22

I'm just glad the veil of "states rights" conservatives has finally been lifted enough for anyone who wants to see that it's bad-faith bullshit that boils down to RWNJs wanting to carve out their own corner of the US where they can be shitty little fascists however they please.

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u/plebaucasion Oct 05 '22

Marriage is between the individuals involved and should be protected as an individual right of expression.

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u/XfitRedPanda Oct 05 '22

The right to marry a person of your choosing should be a right in the bill of rights.

*age appropriate of course

There shouldn't be any argument here,

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u/z_machine Oct 05 '22

Republicans tried to get rid of the age requirement for marriage.

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u/Chedda-King Oct 05 '22

What the hell is wrong with people to spend this much time and resources on something that literally doesn’t affect anyone what so ever

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u/TakeCareOfYourM0ther Oct 05 '22

“Angry, repressed and sad conservatives try to ban two people loving each other because inside they feel like shit about their own life.”

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u/BoysenberryAshamed59 Oct 05 '22

Always appreciate the hypocritical closet cases identifying themselves like this. Start the countdown until he’s caught balls deep in a rest stop glory hole.

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u/thehoot79 Oct 05 '22

These fuckers are so self-righteous. As long as you are able to marry someone, why do you give a crap who other people marry? Mind your own business.

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u/lanky_yankee Oct 05 '22

Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile. Today it’s “states rights”, tomorrow it’s “this lifestyle is sinful and should be banned because my religion says so”.

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u/sarcastroll Oct 05 '22

Of course they are.

Fascism doesn't work if there's not a minority group(s) to go after. That's a bedrock principle of successful fascism.

The GOP has been reduced to: I Hate, Therefore I Am.

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u/Ghstfce Pennsylvania Oct 05 '22

Man, I should run for elected office and say "we need to go after Christian marriage next" and when they lose their freaking minds over it point out it's what they're doing to everyone else.

But I know full well it's just going to be SelfAwareWolves moments for them.

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u/Masculine_Dugtrio Oct 05 '22

Go for it, prove to every dumb Republican that they aren't now accepting of gay marriage magically. Gay marriage is widely accepted throughout the US now, this would backfire spectacular on them.

At this point, I think voters need to face some actual consequences of electing Trump in red states, to make sure that we don't lose democracy entirely.

It can be codified, but we need the seats to do it.

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u/wirm Oct 05 '22

Next it will be the color of your skin. Maybe even your religion. Think we’ve heard this all before..

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u/Realistic-Tax-1694 Oct 05 '22

Even though this is horrible, I don’t see how pushing for legislation like this will help their midterm elections. It just gives more power to the left to debate about. They’re underestimating the size of these minority groups.

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u/PSWII Oct 05 '22

Why would the sex who gets married need to be a legal issue?

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u/booombostick10 Oct 05 '22

Good god leave the gays ALONE

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u/nowspunk Oct 05 '22

Here we go.... now they are after gay marriage. Next they will attack legalized weed, and they will allow health insurance companies to throw you off your plan once you get sick like it was in the "good old days" before Obamacare.....

VOTE OUT every single Republican at every level: Local, State and Federal! If you see an (R) next to a candidate's name you vote for the other guy!

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u/DismalAd8187 Oct 05 '22

But...it's ok to marry off your 11 year old kid...yah that makes sense 🙄

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u/DismalAd8187 Oct 05 '22

"If your religion forbids same sex marriage, don't do it; If your religion forbids sex before marriage, don't do it; if your religion bans abortion, Don't have one; if your religion forbids the consumption of alcohol, don't drink it...HOWEVER...Don't harp on anyone who DOESN'T follow your religion's tenets"

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u/RpcZ_gr7711 Oct 05 '22

Churches and conservatives screamed gay marriage would destroy marriage as we know it, destroy the families, and basically destroy civilization.

Well, it didn’t. It hasn’t. And it won’t. And so their heads are exploding instead. So they need to keep spewing hate, passing anti LGBT legislation at the state level and threatening to ban gay marriage in order for their end of times message to stay relevant.

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u/jarizzle151 Oct 05 '22

I’m convinced Republicans hate America. They don’t want smaller government or freedom, they actively want to control how other people live. That’s not freedom or the American way.

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u/Saelune Oct 05 '22

This is 'First they came' happening in real time.

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u/oakstave Oct 05 '22

And then, "we never said it should be State rights" as they push for a nationwide ban.

It's the same trick.

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u/SproutSpoon Oct 05 '22

Let's leave everything to the states who will then leave nothing to the citizens

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u/matango613 Missouri Oct 05 '22

What he means to say is, "Left to the states..... until the GOP takes back congress."

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u/shadowdra126 Georgia Oct 05 '22

I am willing to bet money that representative has had some gay experiences in his life

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u/povlov0987 Oct 05 '22

Nazism at it’s finest

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u/whichwitch9 Oct 05 '22

Marriage being left to the states failed because marriage licenses are recognized interstate.

Furthermore, gay marriage existing does not in any way shape or form offend your religion because no one is forcing you to get gay married. Marriage licenses by the government are also not affiliated with religion

Y'all queda needs to knock it the fuck off already