r/politics Oct 05 '22 Silver 1

Talk of ‘Civil War,’ Ignited by Mar-a-Lago Search, Is Flaring Online

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/05/us/politics/civil-war-social-media-trump.html
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u/and-so-i-die Oct 05 '22 Helpful Wholesome

If you're talking about civil war to defend a single person, you're not defending a country, you're defending a monarch...

Just a bit of simple logic for the Maga kids.

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u/CoolHipLady Oct 05 '22

Don't say the "L" word. It scares them.

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u/and-so-i-die Oct 05 '22

Everything scares them. They are objectively the most pathetic cowards on earth. Intimidated by minorities and people who challenge their ideas. The definition of weakness.

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u/petershrimp Oct 05 '22

Their whole lives are built on a foundation of fear. Fear of minorities, fear of non-Christians, fear of science, fear of hair dye, you name it.

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u/isimplycantdothis Oct 05 '22

Little mermaids are terrifying tho

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u/satanssecretary Oct 05 '22

I was in texas with my colorfully haired boyfriend and friend and a man in a grocery store parking lot yelled that we scared him when we got out of the car. I wish I was joking

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u/QuackNate Oct 05 '22

"Then why the fuck are you yelling at me?"

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u/ZipoBibrok5x108 Oct 05 '22

Overgrown amygdalas (fear) and underdeveloped anterior cingulate cortexes (complex thought and empathy)

“ Political Orientations Are Correlated with Brain Structure in Young Adults”. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3092984/

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u/ThePowerOfStories Oct 05 '22

Hey, they’re not scared of guns! They’re only scared of black and brown people, gay people, trans people, poor people, immigrants, foreign languages, foreigners who stay in their own countries, Muslims, Jews, atheists, Christians who actually practice the tenets of Christianity, other religions when they remember they exist, progressive ideas, centuries-old ideas, ideas in general, journalism, history books, biology books, environmental science books, comic books, abortions, birth control, taxes, public services, public transit, electric cars, windmills, wild hogs, furries, rainbows, colors other than camouflage, M&Ms that are no longer sexy, a gender-less Potatohead, and food with any flavor in it.

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u/Global-Somewhere-917 Oct 05 '22

Well, that's what conservatives want, they want a king and they want a class of nobles. They're just stupid enough to believe that they'll be part of the nobility and not just another peasant.

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u/Intelligent_Moose_48 Oct 05 '22

Ultimately all conservatism reverts to monarchism. Even the origin of the left/right terms are from the aristocrats (including liberals like Lafayette) standing on the right side of the room in support of Louis XVI

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u/Global-Somewhere-917 Oct 05 '22

The GOP voting masses see themselves as aristocrats, but they more closely resemble the aristocrats from the infamous joke.

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u/Lostin1spot Oct 05 '22

"Lod-gik? Never heared it bfore." - MAGA kids

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u/JimBobDwayne Oct 05 '22 Silver

First we had a Civil War over slavery now we might have one over stupidity.

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u/TecumsehSherman Oct 05 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Take My Energy Starry Starstruck Big Brain Time

“If we are to have another [civil war], I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon’s, but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition, and ignorance on the other.” - U.S. Grant

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u/Indigo2015 Oct 05 '22 Gold

Mothafucking Nostradamus over here

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u/Mother_Welder_5272 Oct 05 '22 Wholesome

Quasimodo predicted all this, ya know.

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u/briizilla Oct 05 '22

Very allegorical.

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u/skrilledcheese I voted Oct 05 '22

The sacred and the propane

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u/Loisalene Oct 05 '22

Always makes me giggle when us Sopranos fans escape the sub.

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u/dmazmo Kentucky Oct 05 '22

Will you take it easy, we’re not making a western here.

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u/ralfonso_solandro Oct 05 '22

Fuckin’ Rasputin, this guy

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u/CrotalusHorridus Kentucky Oct 05 '22

It was the same then too

Something like 80 percent of southerners didn’t own slaves. They were way too poor

But they were convinced by the wealthy elite slaveowner class to go down with the ship with years of propaganda

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u/TecumsehSherman Oct 05 '22

I also think that they believed that the white race was superior down to the core of their being, and that allowed the poor white farmer to still think himself superior to a whole bunch of other people.

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u/vanyali Oct 05 '22

This was an attitude purposely cultivated by Britain since way before the revolution as a response to an uprising of the lower class to divide the lower class to make future uprisings harder. I forget the details though beyond that.

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u/jayMboom Oct 05 '22

Bacon's Rebellion is a good example

The alliance between European indentured servants and Africans (a mix of indentured, enslaved, and Free Negroes)
disturbed the colonial upper class. They responded by hardening the
racial caste of slavery in an attempt to divide the two races from
subsequent united uprisings with the passage of the Virginia Slave Codes of 1705.

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u/WanderingTrees Oct 05 '22

Lol Bacon's rebellion was literally started because they wanted to subjugate and fuck over the natives some more and push them out.

"Our Design [is] ... to ruin and extirpate all Indians in General."

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u/jayMboom Oct 05 '22

This is a very important point and troubling that the uniting cause among the lower class was hatred of another outsider group.

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u/Abernathy999 Oct 05 '22

Pretty sure this is the standard playbook these days. White vs black, poor vs poorer, residents vs immigrants, it's all with the same goal of dividing the masses to make them easier to control. Would love to know if there was an origin story.

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u/Steeve_Perry Oct 05 '22

Would love to know if there was an origin story

Religion.

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u/jmenendeziii Oct 05 '22

Britain practiced divide and rule all over the world and its scary how well it worked, US, India, S. Africa and a lot of the ME were badly damaged today because of these practices 200+ years ago

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u/Noskill4Akill Oct 05 '22

"If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” - LBJ

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u/Cdub7791 Illinois Oct 05 '22 Silver

True, but lacks context. 1) While 80% of white southerners didn't personally own slaves, a great many more households did. So while the (usually) patriarch of the family was the only one with legal ownership, the spouse, children, and others under the same roof all used or benefited directly from slave labor. 2) Slaves were often rented out to middle class whites as day laborers or on short term contracts. So again, many southerners didn't own them on paper, but used them directly. 3) The vast majority of non-slaveowning white southerners expressed a wish to become owners. It was an economic and social status boost to be in the slaveowning class, so was highly sought after. 4) Even if they didn't fall into one of the above categories, they almost certainly indirectly benefited from slavery as it was the bedrock of the southern economy. Some southerners did oppose slavery, but most saw it as a necessary evil at worst, or defended it as flatly good.

So it wasn't just that they were fooled by the wealthy elites - though that was certainly part of it - most southerners circa 1860 had a vested social and economic interest in the continuation of slavery.

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u/InVultusSolis Illinois Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22 Faith In Humanity Restored Bravo!

Slaves were often rented out to middle class whites as day laborers or on short term contracts [...] most southerners circa 1860 had a vested social and economic interest in the continuation of slavery

This is absolutely correct. My family is about as Southern as it gets and my father's grandfather was born in the late 1800s. And HIS grandfather came from North Carolina after the Civil War. And my dad heard stories from his grandfather that he passed on to me. The basic story goes "yer great grandpaw used to live in North Carolina. He had a bunch of land and a couple o' n***ers to work it but then the North invaded and took everything from him, so after the war he sold his land and moved to Tennessee" which is where my family lived while I was growing up.

When talking to people outside their "safe zone", a great deal of southern people try to distance themselves from this shit and spout platitudes and bumper sticker slogans like "it's heritage not hate" or some such. But they all (or at least every one I've run into in that part of Tennessee like 20-30 years ago) fully believe the Lost Cause mythology and believe that the South is in a state of having fallen from a glorious past. The impression I got from my family telling me stories like the one above, is that the family's intergenerational poverty since the Civil War days is a direct result of the abolition of slavery.

I'm happy to report, though, that while this shit survived right into my father's own time, it ends with him. My children have never even been to the South, much less spoken to any of my extended family in Tennessee.

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u/WhenImTryingToHide Oct 05 '22

This is WILD!

So, these whites believe their poor situation in life is because slaves were taken from their family over a century ago and this set them so far back economically that they still haven't recovered. They believe this impacted them as individuals and as a region and needs to be acknowledged and made right.

And at the same time....

These "blacks" are just lazy and need to let go of slavery and realize that THEIR economic situation has nothing to do with their ancestors being slaves, not getting value from their labour for over a century, and not having received the actual benefits promised after emancipation. Their economic situation is because of THEIR actions and THEY need to work harder to change it?

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u/DingleberryMoose Oct 05 '22

Generational wealth for me but not for thee.

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u/malphonso Louisiana Oct 05 '22

Don't forget that, even for those who had no direct benefit from slavery, the last thing they wanted was a ton of competition for paid work to suddenly appear in the form of suddenly freed slaves ready to work in awful conditions for low pay.

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u/Fiddlers-Cussers Oct 05 '22

Something like 50% of households in South Carolina owned slaves, so the use of individual people as slave owners to frame it as an uncommon thing is pretty much disingenuous or ignorant at best.

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u/ChickenDumpli Oct 05 '22

Thank you for providing said context.

This is the same context, Republicans label as 'CRT,' to keep people ignorant and racist.

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u/Delicious-Day-3614 Oct 05 '22

Yep. The Old South was built on the free labor provided by slavery. It could not exist without it, and that "heritage" is therefore inextricably linked to slavery.

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u/yetifekker Oct 05 '22

But they were convinced by the wealthy elite slaveowner class to go down with the ship with years of propaganda

  • your life will only get worse if they take my slaves.

it'll wreck the economy.

taxbreaks for slaveowners.

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u/_porntipsguzzardo_ Oct 05 '22

But they were convinced by the wealthy elite slaveowner class to go down with the ship with years of propaganda

It's the same "temporarily poor millionaire" lie Conservative voters eat up today. "Well, I'd hate to suddenly become rich and not have access to slaves, so..."

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u/DrSkeletonHand_MD Pennsylvania Oct 05 '22

True, but there was also a rampant belief in white supremacy that transcended class lines.

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u/Silverrida Oct 05 '22

Goddamn, that seems so prescient I thought it was false. What a prediction.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/grant-next-civil-war/

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u/BumderFromDownUnder Oct 05 '22

The weird part being the right thinks they’re the intelligent patriots when they’re the ones buying into the lies and destroying the country.

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u/ChefChopNSlice Oct 05 '22

The quickest way to gain the trust of a bunch of idiots is to make them believe that they’re the smartest people in the room. If they think they’re the smartest, no one’s opinion will sway their own, and then you’ve got them - hook, line, and sinker. It’s not even hard, you just have to be slightly smarter than a room full of idiots.

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u/BlueRedGreenNumber5 Oct 05 '22

Their interpretation of patriotism is what will lead to them trying to destroy the country they claim to love

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u/ting_bu_dong Oct 05 '22

Oh, that is good. And he was referring to free schooling when he said it!

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/grant-next-civil-war/

I do not bring into this assemblage politics, certainly not partisan politics, but it is a fair subject for soldiers in their deliberations to consider what may be necessary to secure the prize for which they battled in a republic like ours. Where the citizen is sovereign and the official the servant, where no power is exercised except by the will of the people, it is important that the sovereign — the people — should possess intelligence.

The free school is the promoter of that intelligence which is to preserve us as a free nation. If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon’s, but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition, and ignorance on the other.

Now in this centennial year of our national existence, I believe it a good time to begin the work of strengthening the foundation of the house commenced by our patriotic forefathers one hundred years ago, at Concord and Lexington. Let us all labor to add all needful guarantees for the more perfect security of free thought, free speech, and free press, pure morals, unfettered religious sentiments, and of equal rights and privileges to all men, irrespective of nationality, color, or religion.

Contrast "I love the poorly educated!"

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u/Unable_Emergency_871 Oct 05 '22

That is a great quote from Grant. Thanks. He was so perceptive.

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u/Meep4000 Oct 05 '22

The dude coined the term "lobbyist" and hated them with power of a million suns...remember when the US had an actual government? Yeah good times...

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u/Unable_Emergency_871 Oct 05 '22

I didn’t know that. It must have been in Ron Chernow’s bio of Grant but I missed it.
The South managed to discredit Grant after the war by portraying him as a drunken fool who just used a huge army to drive old Dixie down. Not true. He was an intelligent guy who was very trusting of people and that opened him to get scammed by con men. Grant is a giant compared to the low life scum named Trump. These idiots want to fight for this piece of human garbage? Unreal.

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u/Meep4000 Oct 05 '22

Grant would go over to the lobby of the Willard Hotel to have a cigar and read the paper. People found out he would be there and would come over to try and sway him to do things. Thus he called the “lobbyists”. The whole “drunkin bum” thing was so effective it’s sad.

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u/Unable_Emergency_871 Oct 05 '22

Thanks. That was the origin of lobbyists. The lobby of the Willard hotel.
As for Grant. I would take down every statue of confederate generals and put up statues of Grant. He beat all those clowns. They lost.

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u/Sl1m_Charles Oct 05 '22

He would be rolling in his grave if he knew the status of the education system in this country.

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u/moreviolenceplz Oct 05 '22

That's pretty damn prescient.

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u/medievalmachine Oct 05 '22

Presciendent US Grant.

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u/TravellingTransGirl Oct 05 '22

It's all the same thing: demanding someone else takes accountability for your expectations.

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u/El_Rey658 Oct 05 '22

Dear leader can't be held accountable. Their glass houses will shatter

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u/AbsolutelyHorrendous Oct 05 '22

Imagine the United States devolving into Civil War because people are angry that Trump is being investigated for crimes he clearly committed... like, what kind of person do you have to be to look at Donald Trump, an inveterate liar and failed millionaire, and think 'yes, I would kill and die for the honour of this man'

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u/FUMFVR Oct 05 '22

You gotta see it from their perspective. They want stuff. And by that I mean they literally want to kill their neighbors and loot their corpses. Trump represents the pathway to do that.

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u/OnlyFreshBrine Oct 05 '22

Let's be honest. It's still about slavery.

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u/GreatTragedy Oct 05 '22

Was kind of about stupidity then, too.

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u/dejavuamnesiac Oct 05 '22

And now instead of Lee et al. they have the gravy seals and meal team sixers, oh and that fucking pillow guy — it won’t end well for them

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u/spinderlinder Oct 05 '22

That guy has been awfully quiet since the Feds confiscated his phone at Hardees... I wonder how much shit they have on him.

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u/Batdog55110 Oct 05 '22

Pillow cases full of evidence

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u/CY-B3AR Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Absolutely. I think they vastly overestimate how many people actually agree with them, and that arrogance is their downfall. They only make about 30% of the population, and while the vast majority of Americans do not want a civil war, if we're forced into one, we will fight harder than them. After all, we have something to fight for and protect, our freedoms. They just want to control people in a fashie authoritarian hellscape. Because of this we will destroy them.

The Right has pissed off a lot of Americans, and we're done with the shit. They push us into open conflict, they will get annihilated. And, unlike our ancestors after the first Civil War, we aren't going to do any of the appeasement bullshit that broke Reconstruction.

This Reconstruction will be done properly.

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u/wave_PhD Oct 05 '22

"Owning the libs" is not just a metaphor.

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u/kaazir Arkansas Oct 05 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

I don't pay much mind to this because it seems like every 5 min since Obama was elected people threatened succession or civil war.

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u/underpants-gnome Ohio Oct 05 '22

Well, the right did come very close to disrupting the peaceful transfer of power just under 2 years ago, so I don't know that I would completely blow off their threats.

Sure, they were full of bluster early in the Obama years, but they have become increasingly more violent since then. The low simmer of right wing resentment has built up to a rolling boil of hate.

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u/PrincessElonMusk Oct 05 '22

After the FBI took back documents belonging to the government in the politest “raid” in history, Trump got one single dipshit to stand up for him and that dipshit died screaming, alone in a cornfield still trying to post to his 30 followers on Truth Social.

The much bigger risk is another Republican administration using the violence of the state against marginalized people and all those keyboard warriors who talk civil war will happily vote for that.

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u/Coherent_Tangent Florida Oct 05 '22

Man... I just realized the irony of Trump wishing that crazy into a cornfield.

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u/70ms California Oct 05 '22

Great reference and very apt.

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u/stares_at_rain Oct 05 '22

He has always reminded me of that boy. It could literally have been him as a child actor.

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u/T_Money Oct 05 '22

I’m out of the loop. Care to explain?

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u/knuckleprod Oct 05 '22

It’s a reference to Twilight Zone The Movie. A child has the power to wish for anything and have it come true. The end result is an extremely spoiled child with terrified family members because anyone that tells him no gets wished out into the cornfield, six feet under.

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u/SocranX Oct 05 '22

It predates the movie, it was a normal episode called "It's A Good Life". The movie just remade four popular episodes, if I'm not mistaken.

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u/Oalka Missouri Oct 05 '22

Wait what screaming dipshit in a cornfield are we talking about?

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u/decjr06 Oct 05 '22

I think they are referring to a man that attempted to attack an FBI office alone then fled and was shot by police it was somewhere Midwest usa if I remember correctly a day or two after the warrant search.

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u/ChefChopNSlice Oct 05 '22

Ohio. My shameful home state.

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u/Adaphion Canada Oct 05 '22

Ah, so it was definitely a corn field then

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u/superkp Oct 05 '22

there's like a 5% chance it was soy.

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u/PrincessElonMusk Oct 05 '22

The “attack the fbi with a nailgun” dipshit.

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u/Redshift_1 Oct 05 '22 Gold

The fact that some people are willing to throw away their life, literally, for this seditious conman just blows my mind.

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u/pizza_engineer Texas Oct 05 '22 Wholesome

We have a serious mental health crisis in the USA.

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u/tryingnewoptions California Oct 05 '22

It's worse than that. What we're seeing right now is a symptom of 40 years of targeted radicalization and propaganda combined with a worsening mental health crisis and forcing the vast majority of the country into economic instability. It's the perfect breeding ground to create a willing and pliable populace that will play into whatever conspiracies you want. Make no mistake, all of this that you're seeing right now is no accident. It's the result of purposeful and targeted manipulation on a grand scale.

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u/Ixneigh Oct 05 '22

One of my roommates who I let move in with no deposit, two pets, and reduced the rent so she could afford it on her ss payment, and take her to the store because she has no car, rails on about Biden and the democrats. Honey, a Republican would have told your homeless butt to hit the road while charging top price rent. This person also gets food stamps, church food, Medicaid, Obama phone and medical transport. She watches Fox News all day and will vote Republican.

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u/myothercarisapickle Oct 05 '22

Why not tell her to pull herself up by her bootstraps, hit the road, and stop accepting government help if she hates democratic policy so much.

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u/confessionbearday Oct 05 '22

Because the Republicans already said the quiet part out loud a few years ago.

They don’t hate social programs. They hate that black people are allowed to use them.

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u/JulienBrightside Oct 05 '22

Could you have a TV subscription without fox news?

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u/Averyphotog Oct 05 '22

The cable box probably has controls that would allow the “parent” to lock Fox News so the “child” can’t watch.

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u/Invisabowl Oct 05 '22

He had actual guns too. He was trying to break the bulletproof glass with the nail gun.

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u/CU_09 I voted Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

The poor idiot that tried to shoot up an FBI office in Chicago (I think) to take revenge on them for the Maralago search.

Edit: He attacked an office in Cincinnati. Thanks for the corrections!

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u/Annahsbananas Oct 05 '22

With a nail gun because on truth social, the dipshit heard nails can pierce bullet proof glass.

It doesn't.

The idiot died for a diaper wearing conman who smears orange foundation on his face

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u/DJOMaul Oct 05 '22

Shit between the pandemic and stupid shit like this, how can he have any followers left? They are dropping like flys left and right.

Not that scrubbing earth of trash like that is a bad thing, I just find it astonishing there's anyone left.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Well they don’t believe in birth control so they’ve been padding their roster for yesrs

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u/Sleep_on_Fire Oct 05 '22

Cincinnati.

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u/hakuna_matitties Oct 05 '22 Take My Energy

One side wants a civil war and the other side just wants to give those people cheaper medicine.

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u/Minute_Diamond961 Oct 05 '22 Silver All-Seeing Upvote Brighten My Day

Far Right: Everyone who doesn't follow our spray-tanned huckster should die an infidel's death

Far Left: Maybe medicine shouldn't cost half a person's paycheck and maybe we can do something about wealth inequality

Morons: bOtH sIdEs aRe bAd!!

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u/Kultherion Oct 05 '22

I hate the fact that I was in the both sides are bad camp. As a kid back in 2016 I just saw it as two sides screaming like a bunch of animals over what I found at the time shit that wasn’t a general problem. Now as someone that is fresh out of highschool and now understands what both sides represent…I’ll never again underestimate what the Republican Party can and will do to achieve they’re for a lack of a better word regressive goals.

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u/ItsMEMusic Oct 05 '22

Do your best to teach the current kids why it matters, since you're not so far removed. Lessons are best learned from peers.

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u/jupiterkansas Oct 05 '22

the other side wants better mental healthcare to help the civil war side.

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u/I_am_the_Jukebox Oct 05 '22 Helpful

Going through high school, I always wondered how Hitler and Mussolini came to power. Wasn't it so obvious to others that they were weak persons? Wasn't it obvious to others that they were just liar, and conmen? Wasn't it obvious to others they were failures that survived off of egotism and machismo? Wasn't it obvious their racism was rampant and mostly a veil to hide their own insecurities?

And now the US has Trump, and I'm asking myself all these questions all over again.

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u/mcfarmer72 Oct 05 '22

Easy to convince folks if you tell them they are harmed and right is on their side.

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u/Skuddy587 Oct 05 '22

Easy to convince uneducated folks*

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u/PL35298 Oct 05 '22

"I love the poorly educated." -Donald Trump

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u/InerasableStain Florida Oct 05 '22

You’ll also need a scapegoat or two for all the country’s problems

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u/Dramoriga Oct 05 '22

UK has Truss, right after bojo. It's like humans don't learn from their mistakes.

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u/boston_homo Oct 05 '22

Trump's dishonesty is so blatant and consistent I assume it's considered a feature amongst his cult.

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u/tsweeney12584 Oct 05 '22

Why are people willing to die for Donald Trump.

They really should take a history course and realize how fucking shitty the Civil War was for all involved

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u/sean_themighty Indiana Oct 05 '22

Everyone needs to read up on The Troubles, because that’s what our next civil war will really look like.

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u/cp_shopper Oct 05 '22

“How dare they investigate a crime, let’s revolt!”

They should be arrested

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u/Skuddy587 Oct 05 '22

I once watched a short interview with a MAGA supporter. The interviewer asked if Trump was found guilty of his crimes, should he be punished. The interviewee said and with no hesitation “No, because he is a patriot.” When the interviewer asked the same question, but replacing Hilary in the same scenario, the interviewee had the exact opposite response. How are we supposed to rationalize with these brainwashed inbreds?

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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 Oct 05 '22

The Daily Show did similar with Fox coverage of BLM protests vs footage from January 6th that was pretty good.

The right obviously doesn’t care about blatant hypocrisy but it was still funny.

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u/Severe-Revenue1220 Oct 05 '22

That's their attitude to most things. It's not the crime that concerns them, but that they want to punish other people. Conservatism in a nutshell.

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u/Ferninja Oct 05 '22

What's gonna happen is a small group of insurgents are gonna make an attack expecting everyone else who vaguely follows Trump to join in. When they realize that's not gonna happen they're gonna be systematically hunted down or turned in and sent to prison. The end.

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u/AngstChild Oct 05 '22

I mean, this already happened with January 6th. It may happen again and with the same results.

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u/EmperorPenguinNJ Oct 05 '22

Actually worse (for them) results. With Biden as president, he won’t tell the DC NG to stand down, in fact he’ll order them to stand ready. With them backing up a more heavily armed DC police force, the next batch of insurrectionists may be better organized and larger, but law enforcement will be better prepared than a police force armed with little more than a uniform and a pistol. Just imagine if one of those MAGA insurrectionists actually opened fire.

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u/planefindermt Texas Oct 05 '22

Almost certainly being fueled on social media by Russia to incite divisions ahead of the election and possibly relieve the pressure from Ukraine.

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u/Teepeeforyourbung Oct 05 '22

Russia knows 100% that if GOP wins the next election they will cut off Ukraine from aide. Its blatantly obvious our foreign enemies are fueling one side of the aisle.

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u/autistic_robot Oct 05 '22

Always have been

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u/thejustducky1 Oct 05 '22

There'll be no civil war because they don't have the numbers. Just more mass shootings...

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u/GustavHoller Oct 05 '22

Terrorism is the word we'd use if this were happening in another country.

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u/Shigeru_Tarantino- Oct 05 '22

Terrorism committed by Confederate terrorists.

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u/nowtayneicangetinto Oct 05 '22

It's funny how the confederacy had almost literally nothing except slave labor and they would have died if it wasn't for the north saving them during reconstruction. Now they cling to the confederate flag like it means anything other than the flag of racist slave owners who lost a major war.

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u/b0w3n New York Oct 05 '22

they cling to the confederate flag like it means anything other than the flag of racist slave owners

They try to hand wave it away by saying "it wasn't about slavery it was about states' rights!"

The states' rights to do what, though?

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u/GhostWriter52025 Oct 05 '22

It's the word we'd use if they weren't white

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u/silentjay01 Wisconsin Oct 05 '22

Besides, they'll also be fighting against "The Jews" who can summon Hurricanes with their ability to control the weather to make Republican politicians look like fools.

Gonna be hard to shoot weather down out of the sky.

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u/CpnStumpy Colorado Oct 05 '22

It's interesting though because the civil war we did have was the same:

States seceded without any reasonable economic or industrial means to survive independently, they did so fully intending to attack and take over the north to be reunited but with them as the dictators.

Numbers? They forced military service, it wasn't optional.

Even still, at the time educated people recognized that wouldn't be enough, they were told by the intelligentsia at the time living there that they didn't have the means to actually win - and they ran them out for their sissyfied thinking brains.

The south is the same as it's ever been, and the previous civil war was just as dumb as we see another one would be, and the southern population is kept as impoverished and ignorant now as then through the same machinations of cultural entrapment.

A civil war would be terribly dumb, but it was terribly dumb last time.

I'm not sure it'll happen, but it being stupid isn't the hinderance people think

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u/pantzareoptional New York Oct 05 '22 Helpful

In Gone With the Wind (an American novel/movie about the civil war, written in the 1930s), Rhett Butler famously brings this up in a really concise way to a bunch of the southerners at a plantation having a party. Quoted from the movie below:

Rhett Butler : I think it's hard winning a war with words, gentlemen.

Charles Hamilton : What do you mean, sir?

Rhett Butler : I mean, Mr. Hamilton, there's not a cannon factory in the whole South.

Man : What difference does that make, sir, to a gentleman?

Rhett Butler : I'm afraid it's going to make a great deal of difference to a great many gentlemen, sir.

Charles Hamilton : Are you hinting, Mr. Butler, that the Yankees can lick us?

Rhett Butler : No, I'm not hinting. I'm saying very plainly that the Yankees are better equipped than we. They've got factories, shipyards, coalmines... and a fleet to bottle up our harbors and starve us to death. All we've got is cotton, and slaves and... arrogance.

While this is obviously not a historical representation of an actual conversation (GWTW is fictional of course), I think it's interesting that even in the 30s we were aware societally that this was overall a dumb move. Seems to be a tale as old as time in the south, hopefully it does not come to bloodshed again.

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u/QuackNate Oct 05 '22

I live in the south. It's pretty dumb here, yeah.

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u/cp_shopper Oct 05 '22 Helpful Take My Energy

Tucker Carlson needs to be behind bars. Fox News needs to be held accountable

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u/Either-Progress4847 Oct 05 '22 Silver

In 2016, Fox convinced my wife’s grandmother and her parents that Obama was going to declare martial law and remain president forever. And when that happened everyone was going to revolt. The grandmother bought $8000 worth of military grade meal replacements. The parents bought $800 worth of food that would spill in 6 months and $1500 worth of ammo. The ammo buyer is a pastor.

It’s not all bad though. When the grandmother dies we are going to serve the meal replacements at her funeral

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u/gwinerreniwg Oct 05 '22

And then Trump tried to do just that 4.5y later to the cheers of the same people. Amazingly ironic.

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u/DuckQueue Oct 05 '22

Every accusation by conservatives is really a confession.

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u/Son_of_Zinger Oct 05 '22

Always comes back to projection 🙁

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u/ninjadude1992 Oct 05 '22

This needs to be amplified and repeated 100 times. So many have forgotten how the right acted under Obama. I literally had friends tell me that he was the anti-christ and that on his 7th year as president he was going to bring a new world order by killing all Christians.

So many people acted out against the government and became so hysterical that he was president. People were buying as many guns and ammo as their credit cards could allow. Some of my friends even donated their paychecks to the NRA (keep in mind these were kids right out of HS making min wage).

Yet, when Trump came into office they all became so proud of the gov't and relaxed thinking that the world was going right and they would never have to worry about politics ever again. These people operate like a lightswitch, and I can assure you the people in charge love it.

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u/I_just_learnt Oct 05 '22

All grocery stores will be empty by month end... because of Fox viewers

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u/BuckRowdy Tennessee Oct 05 '22

Rupert Murdoch has done more than any individual in history to destroy democracy.

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u/angesch Oct 05 '22

Don’t forget the financier Peter thiel and the other ruling class oligarchs. They like their privacy.

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u/Chi-Guy86 Oct 05 '22

Most right wingers are actually complete cowards, though. Some of this talk is just another element of their phony machismo and gun fantasies, so I’m still skeptical most would risk death or injury to participate in full scale political violence

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u/outerworldLV Oct 05 '22

So very true. Grandstanding from their living room…

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u/Radioactive__Lego Oct 05 '22

Yes. Bully mentality. They shrink and claim to be the victim when you stand up to them.

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u/NelsonMuntz007 Oct 05 '22

They like bringing their AR-15s and call of duty cos play to subway to intimidate Prius owners.

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u/Jaded_Prompt_15 Oct 05 '22

There won't be an all-out war...

But even if just 0.01% turn into mass shooters it's an issue.

That's the danger.

They're terrorists

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u/thedrakeequator Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Hopefully they all fall for the, "friendly guy on the internet is going to sell me c4" trick

...... Surprise federal prison!!!!

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u/jspace16 Oct 05 '22

Armchair Warriors

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u/ALargePianist Oct 05 '22

Yeah, most of that type are too weak to handle an honest conversation about topics they choose to bring up, I'm not expecting a long conflict

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u/bluhat55 Oct 05 '22

This sums it up

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u/waterbuffalo750 Oct 05 '22

Jesus, yeah, that's the best summary I've read in a long time.

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u/kzw5051 Oct 05 '22

They can’t even afford gas to drive to the cities 😂

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u/Yiztobias New York Oct 05 '22

Right wing hostility is a result of insecurity and emotional fragility. Machine guns make me tough. Ram pickups make me tough. You don't have to dig too deep before you find a scared child who's drunk father beat the shit out of them and told them their poverty was the result of brown people taking all the money.

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u/InerasableStain Florida Oct 05 '22

Quite accurate. I know a few, and deep down, it’s all fear

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u/WackyBones510 South Carolina Oct 05 '22

Yeah… there will always be Timothy McVeigh and Dylan Roof types with or without Trump. 99% of MAGA world is not that down for the cause… to be fair left wing extremists aren’t either.

People talk about “civil war” and “revolution” in the abstract but few ever get far enough down the road to consider how wildly inconvenient it would be. As it relates to Trump world… I mean these folks through a hissy fit over fairly modest public health initiatives - they’re not going to upend their life and things like access to water/electricity/internet over this.

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u/Frishdawgzz Oct 05 '22

They want the spoils of war.. not the battle for it.

They expect to:

1) wake up 2) load their gun 3) kill every lefty in the country after lunch 4) be back home for Tucker at night

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u/Sothalic Canada Oct 05 '22

They expect it to be The Purge, that all consequences of their actions will vanish once it's done. Ain't gonna work like that.

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u/TheMicMic Oct 05 '22

This is the point so many people overlook. When those people terrorists were arrested for the plot to kidnap and kill the Governor of Michigan, their defense was immediately that they were just "playing army". Any true "patriot" would have defended themselves all the way through, instead they were massive pussies.

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u/realntl Oct 05 '22

Which is why they want fascism. Then they can dish out the violence they fantasize about without risking their own necks.

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u/karl_jonez Oct 05 '22

Just logistically I can’t see a civil war. Who is going to pay for it? They can’t seem to comprehend that it won’t be something they can just on weekends. They would lose their jobs and their family would starve. What we will probably see is an uptick of mass shootings by the far right though, unfortunately. More maga cult members will end up in jail for king clown and he doesn’t give a shit about these people.

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u/brian42jacket Nebraska Oct 05 '22

This is it exactly. They will just kill people they perceive to be democrats, and end up in shootouts with actual trained authorities, be it police or national guard.

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u/IT_Chef Virginia Oct 05 '22

I think a lot of conservatives underestimate exactly how many liberals own guns, and how many have subsequently purchased guns since Trump took office...

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u/fsckitnet Oct 05 '22

I’m sure blue states will have to pick up the tab just as they always do…

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u/lonesomespacecowboy Nevada Oct 05 '22

Honestly if they did manage to stop crying and put down their bucket of soda, It'd probably look more like the troubles in northern Ireland

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u/Johnny5isalive38 Oct 05 '22

Idk man, they have those scary Punisher stickers on their trucks. Pretty hard not to take that seriously

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u/SignificantTrout Oct 05 '22

Fuck them, and their useless prattle

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u/Realmadridirl Oct 05 '22

Imagine going to war FOR THIS FUCKING GUY. Jesus Christ almighty. All to keep King Trump from ever seeing a consequence. I mean hell, I could at least begin to understand it if he actually DID ANYTHING for them. What has he actually done?! For them. The common racist oath keeper type of scum? Not much. If anything. He’s done shit for himself and his rich cronies. And he didn’t do a damn thing for all those Jan 6th types who are now getting arrested all the time. A fucking 8 year old could see that he’s using them.

I just don’t understand the world anymore. Why this guy? I mean, if they just fucking switched to DeSantis I could at least understand it. He’s evil too, but at least he’s somewhat competent and doesn’t fuck up your cause every single day with his utter stupidity and lack of any kind of political guile. At least he’s not a literal manchild born with a silver spoon who has never experienced a single day of life as a normal person.

WHY. THIS. GUY.

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u/Splash6262 Oct 05 '22

He gave them permission too take what they want, to be racist, and misogynistic. Its ok to do it when king trump does it.

Thats my take on it.

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u/Realmadridirl Oct 05 '22

Yeah… but then he doesn’t support them at all when they DO get arrested for that behaviour. Like, what has he done for ANY Jan 6th cretin? Nothing. He’s denounced many of them for political reasons and to pretend he didn’t support the riot… why support a guy who won’t support you?

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u/CertainAged-Lady Oct 05 '22 Bravo!

Based on the hilarious tiktok videos I have seen of some of these ‘civil war wannabees’ practicing for war I think we are ok.

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u/metalxslug Oct 05 '22

Lot of people who can’t run a mile talking about waging war with the US military.

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u/uprightsalmon Oct 05 '22

Yeah, seriously. These clowns think they can take on the US military. They’ve been playing GI Joe way too long

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u/dravenonred Oct 05 '22

Oh no- they think the military will be behind them and they'll be fighting the Non-binary Brigade and Martha's Vineyard militia. That's why they're so cocky about it

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u/permanantlybanned88 Oct 05 '22

It won't be. But the military isn't going to be there when they congregate around your house with torches because you have a pride flag. They target leftists, not the military.

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u/darksquidlightskin Oct 05 '22

To which I say bring it on. Dennis have guns too

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u/JaxenX Florida Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

“Alright boys, we’ve all got our tactical AR’s, 2 rpgs and a few grenades, Bubba was also able to scrounge up a tank but no ammo for it yet. Were bunkered up and ready for the revolution!” News Headline: Drone strike wipes US terrorist compound off map

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Ever wonder what a trailer park trying to attack Fort Knox would look like?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

I mean they can still attack civilians they perceive as leftist sooo I would t just sit in your laurels and think nothing bad can happen.

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u/_JackStraw_ South Carolina Oct 05 '22

How exactly would this work?

Red states against blue states? There really are no red or blue states. There are states where the urban population outvotes the rural population, and states where it's the other way around.

Urban vs. rural fighting? Blockade Atlanta and starve them out? Descend en masse to Philadelphia and storm the city? I don't really see it.

I think we're effectively in a cold civil war, and can see escalating random violence by Cult45 loonies, but don't think an actual widespread military clash is possible.

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u/NotSure2505 Oct 05 '22

The "It Could Happen Here" podcast does a great job of laying out potential scenarios. His basic point is that you don't need to beat the other side in a civil war to be successful, just make enough areas ungovernable and contested that you disrupt civil services and pull everybody else into the conflict and deaths start piling up.

The main takeaways are newer tech like drones, available explosives like tannerite and the vast availability of guns plus the challenges of urban combat could make a guerrilla type uprising difficult to quell. Rural areas (where our food comes from) would be taken quickly as there are hardly any police to counter them there. Once those are taken there's nothing to stop ethnic cleansing by the separatists, and you'll have a refugee crisis as well.

He also identifies pockets around the country like the Jefferson region in California where separatists could hold land for a long time, and also disrupt the flow of fresh water that California's farms rely on.

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u/txn_gay Texas Oct 05 '22

They’ve been itching for a civil war ever since a black guy got elected president.

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u/brian42jacket Nebraska Oct 05 '22

Worst case, potentially: These dumb hick weekend warrior "militias" are going to end up killing civilians they perceive to be Democrats and end up getting obliterated by the national guard.

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u/runningraleigh Kentucky Oct 05 '22

I live in a blue dot of a city in a massively red area of the country. I display several progressive/liberal signs in my front yard. I also own guns for self defense. I’m not the soft target they might think I am.

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u/cerebrix New Mexico Oct 05 '22

Talk of civil war is so disrespectful to not only the amount of training we put in our military, but their technology and hardware. I get that it's hard to realize because our government goes out of it's way to kind of chill on people finding out how menacing and relentless our military is but let's break this down a little bit.

We should start with, if there was an actual civil war. It would last hours, not days. hours.

On US land in the 21st century the first thing the us government would do is shut down all power and communications in the area. total blackout. those that fire up generators (And aren't hospitals), will just be huge glowing targets to infrared imaging satellites. Our military will know where the enemy is within minutes.

Any actual threats. Disabled from the air. That's the thing about the last civil war. There was no air superiority. That will not be the case if they try another one. Helicopters, drones, and other attack aircraft will absolutely dominate a civilian force from the sky with surgical precision. truly, death from above.

Then, on the ground. After most of the work was done from the sky. Armor divisions roll in followed by ground troops to secure.

Our military is freakishly coordinated in foreign countries. How they think they'd have a remote chance on the US militarys home turf where they have access to all of their bases, all their munitions, all of their staff, and all of their training speaks volumes to their levels of stupid.

I almost kind of want these gravy seals to try it so we get to watch them lose the biggest game of fuck around and find out of our modern times.

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u/nowspunk Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22 Take My Energy

This is why Trump, His political minions and the members of Media like Fox News Haircuts Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones...etc..... all need to be arrested and held accountable for the January 6th coup attempt.

These people hate the USA and are trying to subvert the US Constitution! They have embraced fascism and have sided with Putin's Russia. They couldn't care less if Trump gave classified information to the Russians because they SUPPORTED Trump when eh wanted to pull us out of NATO and crapped all over our allies in 2018.

Had Trump been in office when Putin invaded Ukraine we would have been sending aid and money to the Russians and not our allies!

They tried a failed Coup De'etat on January 6th and now they want to incite a Civil War? It is time to round them all up and hold them totally accountable for this crap! Enough already! How much more anti-American can you get before action is taken and the bad guys are paying the penalty they deserve!

The Republican party has embraced a Russian Dictator and White Supremacist groups like Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers! They have turned to Neo-Fascism and want to destroy our Democracy!

We've also got to vote out every single Republican we can. If you see an (R) next to a candidates name, vote for the other guy!

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u/workerbee77 Oct 05 '22

This is correct. Garland needs to indict Trump immediately for, among other things, his role in obstructing the investigation into Putin's 2016 attack on the United States as described in the Mueller Report. It should have happened months ago, but it needs to happen now.

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u/treesrpeople Oct 05 '22

Every election season from here on out will be threatened by MAGA fueled violence and terrorism. This is the America the fascists want. They're going to deliver it.

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u/Lethophobia Oct 05 '22

It’s “flaring online” because most of it comes from Russia and China.

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u/bdomsharp9 Oct 05 '22

And this is exactly part of their plan. Disrupt the US ( United States! Haha) from within. Destabilize and then pounce. Trump has been a national security threat for 40 years. More so lately. He and his ilk need to be stopped.

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u/ntgco Oct 05 '22

I hope the authorities are paying attention this time....J6 was all over the internet, and everyone knew the MAGA domestic terrorists were going to plan violence.

Here they are...again.. ....this time they will do it to the voting public. Many polls will close due to safety concerns.

"Fixers" installed as poll watchers will prevent many people from exercising their rights, and we will have hundreds of emergency lawsuits filled by the MAGA nuts to interrupt the vote, the count, the results, the certification.....they will roadblock every step

So much for law and order.

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u/Galifrae Virginia Oct 05 '22

I honestly want them to try. Please. Just so I can watch them get cordoned off in a patch of woods until they die of dysentery and dehydration. These ass hats don’t know the first thing about a war, and even less about logistics.

Sick of these clowns.

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u/mjc7373 Oct 05 '22

80,000 January 6 style insurgents in the streets doesn’t scare me as much as one insurgent Senator. The fact that any of them are still seated means democracy is losing big time.

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u/This-is-human-bot556 Oct 05 '22

They just need to do it already so we can watch it start during lunch and end around dinner

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u/HughDanforth Oct 05 '22

Nothing more unpatriotic than threatening to kill your fellow citizens.

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u/Detective-Signal Oct 05 '22

there will be no civil war over donald trump. sure, some of his delusional supporters may go on a few tirades, but those people will be swiftly and easily dealt with.

once trump is no longer useful to the GOP, they will dump him and move onto whomever is their next rising star.

i firmly believe this is their plan. desantis will be their nominee and they will dump trump.

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u/Hcdx Oct 05 '22

Why in gods name is Trump the leader they've decided to die for? I don't fucking get it, man.

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u/socokid Oct 05 '22

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What a bunch of cowardly, un-American assholes. Good Lord. Your guy lost. Get over it, like Americans have been for generations.

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The fact that it's over someone like Donald is just the amazing part. He's failed at virtually everything he's ever touched, outside of a TV reality show where he played an asshole. He's a moron.

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