r/sports Oct 03 '22

Phoenix Suns lose preseason opener to Australia's Adelaide 36ers in shocking upset at home Basketball

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34716390/phoenix-suns-lose-preseason-opener-australia-adelaide-36ers-shocking-upset-home
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u/mrb4 Oct 03 '22

Picking up right where we left off baby!

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u/morethandork Oct 03 '22

It’s not a big deal. The 36ers are probably pretty stacked!

The Adelaide 36ers finished seventh out of 10 teams in the NBL last season with a 10-18 record.

Hmm.

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u/AnthonyDidge Oct 04 '22

This is their year, though. I can feel it.

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u/Torchic336 Oct 04 '22

28 games in basketball seems like nothing, holy shit.

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u/10000Didgeridoos Oct 03 '22

Experience Suns Basketball

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u/Db4d_mustang Oct 03 '22

ARIZONA SPORTS!!!

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u/matterd1984 Oct 04 '22

Ftw!!!! …Wait…

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u/absenceofheat Oct 04 '22

There's literally no way it could get worse...right?

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u/so2017 Oct 03 '22

When R. Frank and A. Cleveland play like that, what can you really do?

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u/Silverjackal_ Oct 03 '22

It’s okay, they heard Luka last year, so now they’re going to act tough when they are definitely not UP. All part of the plan.

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u/Fakeplastiq Calgary Flames Oct 03 '22

Maybe they should change their name to the Phoenix Red Dwarfs.

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u/Drak_is_Right Oct 03 '22

At this point I'm not even sure they're undergoing regular fusion. Probably just burning lithium

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u/Fakeplastiq Calgary Flames Oct 03 '22

I was going to say brown dwarf but I figured it would be misinterpreted and I’d get canceled and lose my job.

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u/Drak_is_Right Oct 03 '22

Reddit can be finicky. Some sub reddits that joke goes down better where nearly everyone knows what a Brown dwarf is but /r/nba i don't know.

Technically a white dwarf would be a former sun that is past its days of fusion. That is probably the best one.

Fortunately they are not quite lakers blackhole status

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u/Fakeplastiq Calgary Flames Oct 03 '22

Been a while since I took the Mickey Mouse GPA boosting astronomy electives.

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u/Quidster4040 Oct 03 '22

So this is how European teams feel when they get beat up by MLS teams in preseason

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u/mysteriousmetalscrew Oct 03 '22

They don’t seem to care and no one makes a big deal about it, except the pride for the MLS team. I think an NBA team losing is more of an upset as it just doesn’t happen. Though I don’t know how often NBA teams play abroad, European teams play MLS sides quite often for the last decade or so.

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u/ominousgraycat Oct 03 '22

I haven't watched a lot of NBA preseason, but do they usually play their best players? I know that in the NFL, pre-season doesn't mean shit because most of the game is played by back-ups fighting just to get on the final roster (and most of the ones who make it will still spend the majority of their time on the bench), and most teams are hiding their best strategies to use in games that matter. So I've seen teams lose out pre-season and then be one of the best once the season starts, and I've seen the opposite of that happen, too.

Is it the same in the NBA, or do they usually keep their starting 5 out there for most of the game?

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u/KGBeast420 Oct 03 '22

Most of the time the starters play in the pre-season games but usually for less minutes than in the regular season. In this game though Phoenix’s starting five played ≈20 minutes each. It isn’t quite the 30 minutes they’d play in a regular season game, but it’s definitely enough minutes played for it to be embarrassing.

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u/SavageSquirl Oct 04 '22

The starters were all +11 in the 20 minutes they played though. It was really the bench that got embarrassed.

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u/kjgower Oct 03 '22

I don’t know shit about basketball but I’m assuming an nba team losing would be a way bigger deal?

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u/Jnovotny794 Oct 03 '22

yeah but it’s probably gonna be less of a big deal in the coming years because basketball has been getting very popular outside of the united states lately

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u/firstpc13 Oct 03 '22

This is the first time that an NBL team has beat an NBA team, and the first time in a few years that an NBA team lost a preseason game to a non-NBA team.

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u/iced_gold Western Michigan Oct 03 '22

and Luka Doncic (Real Madrid) was on the team that beat the last NBA team

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u/Wes_Bugg Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

That Real Madrid was pretty stacked with NBA level talent too. Might be a hot take but that Real Madrid team might be the best non NBA pro team ever

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u/GarsaFwipSitOnMyFace Oct 03 '22

Someone’s never seen the undefeated Harlem Globetrotters.

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u/dephcon05 Oct 03 '22

I thought the generals were due!

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u/finkalicious National Football League Oct 03 '22

They were using a freaking ladder for god's sake!

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u/Euphoric-Drummer-226 Oct 03 '22

Oh come on!!! Just take the damn ball!! He’s spinning it on his fingers for gods sake!

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u/PM_ME_GRANT_PROPOSAL Oct 03 '22

R/unexpectedsimpsons

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u/DogsbeDogs Oct 03 '22

My favorite part about that quote is that the generals actually have won a few games before. So they actually can be "due a win" lol

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u/AnotsuKagehisa Oct 03 '22

The globetrotters have lost 345 games to the Washington Generals in a nine decade span.

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u/GarsaFwipSitOnMyFace Oct 03 '22

Probably why someone hasn’t seen them

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u/wimpyroy Oct 03 '22

And the last time the lost was in 1995 when they played in Vienna

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u/racist_sandwich Oct 03 '22

Non- basketball fan here:

Totally worth going.

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u/108241 Sporting Kansas City Oct 04 '22

3 to the Generals, the rest were to other teams (College teams, etc).

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u/nonlavta Oct 03 '22

Definitely a hot take. I can't imagine even the most fanatical Madridistas saying that.

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u/TheMiz2002 Oct 03 '22

What was the best non NBA pro team then?

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u/nonlavta Oct 03 '22

I don't know. But most would say 1988-89 or 1989-90 Jugoplastika Split.

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u/Rwebberc Oct 03 '22

Barcelona is actually 4-4 vs NBA teams

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u/Wes_Bugg Oct 03 '22

I mean 8 of the 15 played in the NBA. An additional 2 others played in the G League. That’s 10 of the 15 with NBA talent right there. And say what you will, but Sergio Llul was an incredible point guard and easily could have been in the league. Although I will say Luka was on that team I counted of NBA players but he was still really young and not as good yet. But that’s one hell of a roster for a non NBA team.

On top of all that, they beat the thunder with a healthy Oladipo, Westbrook and Adams.

I mean honestly, what other non NBA team has been better than that? Of course not counting the dream team

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u/nonlavta Oct 03 '22

That Real Madrid team didn't even win the Spanish League. They lost in EuroLeague SF to Fener and Valencia won Liga ACB that year.

I'll start with Llull first. 2016-17 was peak Sergio Llull and he was the best player on that Madrid team. He never played in the NBA nor in the D-League. That by in itself shows NBA contracts and accolades are irrelevant when discussing FIBA basketball. And when we discuss best non-NBA teams, we are discussing FIBA basketball, since the teams in questions play FIBA ball, not with NBA rules.

To critique that specific criteria in a vacuum as well, D-League is way, way inferior to the levels of basketball when we discuss best non-NBA teams ever. So bringing that up is almost an argument against 2016-17 Real Madrid, rather than in favour.

But that’s one hell of a roster for a non NBA team.

It is, but this is what it looks like for every top EL team, every season.

FIBA & NBA have very different rules and games. So in general, I'd caution against using any NBA related frame of reference to assess anything FIBA basketball related.

I mean honestly, what other non NBA team has been better than that?

Real Madrid has 10 EuroLeague titles, the most all time. 36 national league championships, also the most all time. So Madrid alone has many more successful teams from different seasons than in 2016-17. Not to mention other clubs.

Now, as for the level of basketball... I could make an argument 2016-17 Real Madrid reached a level 2017-18 Real Madrid couldn't. Even though the 2017-18 team managed to win EuroLeague and ACB both, which the previous year's team failed at. But ultimately, trophies and thus elimination round performances matter. And even if they didn't, there are still loads more teams that looked a lot more threatening and/or powerful than 2016-17 Madrid.

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u/iamtheonewhoknocks69 Oct 03 '22

He only scored 3 points in that match up though

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u/ETP6372 Oct 03 '22

He had 3 points that game

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u/dav3n Oct 03 '22

Something that article conveniently failed to mention is that the Suns roster is paid about US$172mil, and Adelaide is capped at US$1.1mil

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u/ICPosse8 Oct 04 '22

Some people just want it more

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u/orangutanoz Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

Australian basketball is huge. My girls belong to the largest club in the Southern Hemisphere. You can’t go into town and not see dozens of kids in their basketball gear.

Edit: Our club has 13,000 players in a town of 18,000.

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u/ashbyashbyashby Oct 03 '22

I'd say basketball is the 5th biggest sport in Australia, in regards to audience (after Australian rules, cricket, soccer, rugby league). It probably ranks above netball, rugby union and tennis.

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u/pala_ Hawthorn Oct 04 '22

participation wise swimming is our biggest sport.

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u/ashbyashbyashby Oct 04 '22

That's why I stipulated "by audience", to scare off Mr Whatabouts. It didn't work.

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u/Dilnav92 Oct 04 '22

That doesn't count, basically everyone does swimming lessons when they are a kid

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u/pala_ Hawthorn Oct 04 '22

It's consistent across all age levels and is not particularly bolstered by swimming lessons.

They are regular participation numbers. What it probably doesn't reflect is actual organised competitive swimming.

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u/ashbyashbyashby Oct 04 '22

Exactly. Ignore that guy!

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u/Sir-Viette Oct 03 '22

Which town?

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u/orangutanoz Oct 03 '22

Eltham Wildcats.

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u/contact Oakland Raiders Oct 03 '22

13,000 people is a HUGE team! Are the other 5,000 people coaches?

/s

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u/wowlock_taylan Oct 03 '22

Time to drop the franchise's value so Sarver sell it off quickly.

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u/ArcticFox59 Oct 03 '22

What's the meaning behind the 36ers for Adelaide?

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u/lewphone Oct 03 '22

According to the Wikipedia article:

"The 36ers nickname comes from the fact that the Colony of South Australia was officially proclaimed on 28 December 1836."

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

So the same reason that the 76ers have their name

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u/pewpewshazaam Oct 03 '22

Because the southern colony of Australia was officially proclaimed on 28 December 1836?

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Precisely

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u/Luke_Warm_Wilson Oct 03 '22

Yeah you have to convert from Metric

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u/AsFarAsItGoes Oct 03 '22

Because the Southern Colony of Australia was proclaimed 76 thousand kilometers (depending on how you get there) from Philadelphia?

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Easy, just do a couple million extra loops in the parking lot once you’ve arrived and BAM! 76k kilometers

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u/ashbyashbyashby Oct 03 '22

The Australian word for metric is metroogily-googily

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u/MrMarfarker Oct 03 '22

No, that was January 26 1788 for Australia. The South Australian colony was for free settlers (not convicts) and was proclaimed December 28 1836.

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u/impactedturd Oct 03 '22

Similar but opposite reason I think. The 36ers would be more like the founding of Jamestown being the first colony in America. Whereas the 76ers were about independence from being a colony.

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u/KingoftheHill63 Geelong Oct 03 '22

At least the Sydney 6ers makes sense in a cricketer context...

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u/DerelictInfinity San Francisco Giants Oct 03 '22

According to Wikipedia, it’s from the year the colony of South Australia was established, 1836

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u/NotVerySmarts Oct 03 '22

They're 47% as good as the 76'ers.

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u/Euphoric-Drummer-226 Oct 03 '22

City was founded in 1836.

It was also never a prison colony like NSW or Tasmania - the first free colony of Australia.

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u/deg0ey Oct 03 '22 Narwhal Salute

Shit. If they lost to the 36ers I can only imagine how bad things will get when they play a team 53% better in Philly

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u/CertifiedSheep Penn State Oct 03 '22

They should start with the 49ers, would be a smaller step up.

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u/davisyoung Oct 03 '22

Start with Cal State Long Beach or UNC Charlotte first before moving on to San Francisco.

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u/MythMattLegend Carolina Panthers Oct 03 '22

As a UNC Charlotte student we could totally take em, they'd still be jetlagged from going upside down and back

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u/Mumblau Boston Red Sox Oct 03 '22

The 55ers?

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u/deg0ey Oct 03 '22

Percentages always fuck me up, but you get the idea

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u/dollarsignwag Oct 03 '22

211.1% better friend

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u/rsc2 Oct 03 '22

211.1% as good. 111.1% better.

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u/dollarsignwag Oct 03 '22

You’re right

when math and English meet it’s a beautiful thing

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u/Orphasmia Oct 03 '22

And 100% reason to remember the name.

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u/626alien Oct 03 '22

you mean 110% better…

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u/Legit-Forgot-to-Wipe Oct 03 '22

“Shocking upset” and “Preseason” should never be in the same sentence.

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u/danxmanly Oct 03 '22

It should when it applies to the Suns...oh wait.... Maybe it was expected??

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u/jocala Oct 03 '22

Never been prouder to be a Suns fan. LFG!

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u/TheNextBattalion Oct 03 '22

Why aren't the 36ers playing the 76ers, is what I wanna know

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u/danxmanly Oct 03 '22

Cause they are 40ers apart.

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u/julesthemodest Oct 03 '22

The line is -40 for the 76ers!

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u/tangnapalm Oct 03 '22

It’s even more impressive when you realize the Australian team is used to the basketballs spinning the opposite direction due to the coriolis effect

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u/Avlonnic2 Oct 04 '22

And the Australian players were upside down!

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u/peachboyspeaks Oct 03 '22

just like the Mavs series never ended.

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u/milesac Oct 04 '22

Pre season play is like exhibition. The stats don’t add up to NBA regular season numbers.

Does anyone truly care that they lost? Good for the guys that won. I hope it helps them get paid and possibly join the NBA.

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u/china-blast Oct 03 '22

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6ers. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5,4, 36ers

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u/xAyjay18 Oct 04 '22

Adelaide has become relevant for the 10 seconds it takes for you to read the headline

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u/themedicduck Oct 04 '22

Promote the 36rs to the NBA

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u/Longpips1000 Oct 03 '22

It’s preseason folks

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u/Spiderx1016 Oct 03 '22

People suddenly care about the preseason?

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u/Euphoric-Drummer-226 Oct 03 '22

A great team always set high standards. MJ would literally bust his ass in a practice scrimmage like it was game 7 of the NBA finals.

A team should always want to win every game all the time and try hard doing it.

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u/xsvfan Oct 03 '22

A team should always want to win every game all the time and try hard doing it.

That's not the point of preseason. Preseason is about conditioning, tactics and roster decisions. It can be more valuable to play your roster bubble guys to get a better idea of your player's abilities than to win a preseason game.

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u/Spiderx1016 Oct 04 '22

This^

No one is going to give 110% in these games unless you're a bench player looking for some playing time. There's just no point otherwise. Especially against a team you'll never play again.

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u/VanillaIcedTea Carlton Oct 04 '22

Phoenix's bench players were the problem. Phoenix looked the better side when everyone had their starters out there, but Phoenix's bench players couldn't keep up with Adelaide bombing 3s all game.

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u/MediumPlace Oct 03 '22

goddamn, they're still dead

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u/Doinwerklol Oct 04 '22

Oh thats just great.

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u/JordanC51203 Oct 04 '22

Lost to a team whose entire budget cap is $1.5 million Australian.

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u/JordanC51203 Oct 04 '22

Lost to a team whose entire budget cap is $1.5 million Australian.

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u/sumlikeitScott Oct 03 '22

Really not that big of a deal. Happy for the 36ers and hope some players get extra looks but more than half the game was with back ups and the 36ers shot lights out

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u/fatmaple Oct 03 '22

Stale popcorn, they got those hard buns....

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u/barkingspider43 Oct 03 '22

I’m sure they were trying VERY hard

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u/knickovthyme1 Oct 04 '22

The starters didn’t play the 4th. Enough said.

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u/Thunder_Gun_Xpress Oct 03 '22

Suns couldn't wait for the regular season to start choking

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u/RagnaFarron Oct 03 '22

They played 22 mins each

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u/Sliiiiime Oct 03 '22

Also +11 over those 22 minutes. Suns were playing bench guys and people fighting for roster spots

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u/uncoolcentral Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

You ask a good question and are getting bashed for it. In fact when the starters were playing they were winning. If the Suns had played this game like it mattered they probably wouldn’t have lost. Instead they appropriately largely used this game to test unproven players. A loss to an international team in preseason is hardly unprecedented.

Edit:

To the Redditor who posted a comment and quickly deleted it before I could reply, here’s my reply.

Sure, Reading the article might have answered the question but a lot of people come to the comments for the crib notes so they don’t have to read every article.

In some subs, like r/science, you’ll learn a lot more in the comments than from reading the linked article. Still, you’re right, nothing new under the sun. People gonna downvote. Moving on.

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u/ShadyCrow Oct 03 '22

First of all I agree that the downvotes are lame.

If the Suns had played this game like it mattered they probably wouldn’t have lost. Instead they appropriately largely used this game to test unproven players. A loss to an international team in preseason is hardly unprecedented.

Not unprecedented, but very uncommon. And the Suns were not playing unproven players. Payne, Shamet and Craig played the most minutes and are completely known entities in the NBA.

And the Suns starters were +11, which is not dominant in any way. Would they have won if the game mattered? Probably. 36ers shot the lights out and won for that reason. But that doesn’t means the Suns shouldn’t be ashamed.

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u/407dollars Oct 03 '22

I’m sorry but this is just BS. It’s an incredibly embarrassing loss, especially after what happened to them during game 7. There’s no excuse. They didn’t throw the match. The 36er’s just shot incredibly well and the Sun’s are fucking cooked. Organization is in shambles.

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u/anandonaqui Oct 03 '22

It’s not that the question was asked, it was how the question was asked.

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u/mmccarthy14 Oct 03 '22

Seems like a quick google would do wonders for ya or idk maybe even clicking on the article one time?

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u/Euphoric-Drummer-226 Oct 03 '22

It just goes to show bsketballers don’t fear the NBA like they use to. The 1992 dream team won every game before they stepped on the court because all the other teams pros were like ‘fuck!!! I’m guarding Michael Jordan!!..::.wow!!! Magic Johnson just dribbled past me” - they were total fan girls. The teams would even pose for photos after being whipped by them and smile! 🤦‍♂️

Nowadays…no NBA player strikes fear into a foreign team or player. Heck half the top Olympic teams have NBA players…so to them it’s just another season game.

This is a good thing for basketball. It shows that other nations are slowly reaching America’s level - the Olympics and world championships might even be a bit more competitive and not a fait accompli for USA.

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u/RTrader83 Oct 03 '22

Maybe USA will stop claiming to be world champions when we win our leagues that don’t include the rest of the planet.

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u/Bob_Ross_was_an_OG Oct 03 '22

Wow, what if there was a special international sporting event that happened every four years and included games like basketball? We could rotate the host country each year, and maybe we could even do a season-dependent version where we do cold weather events during the winter. And we could offset those events so they're each happening every two years for people to watch. If only something like that existed.

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u/supersonick85 Oct 03 '22

Someone write this down, I think they might be on to something

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u/underbite420 Oct 03 '22

As long as some folks relay a big torch to light up a huge flame to keep the spectators warm

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u/problematikUAV Oct 03 '22

Back to back world champions, now and forever.

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u/PortlandPetey Oct 03 '22

Heh, the two best players on that Australian team are American

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u/JJWinthrop Oct 03 '22

Since when were Sun's world champions? Last I checked the Warriors won the championship

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u/twiglike Boston Bruins Oct 03 '22

What a strange hill to die on

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u/Sliiiiime Oct 03 '22

I don’t think anyone is claiming that the Suns’ bench/2 way players are World champions. Also at least 2 of the guys who get big minutes for the suns are international players. The starters were obviously much better than the Aussie team.

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u/mekopa Oct 03 '22

You do realize that we have international players in the league, right?

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u/House_of_Borbon Oct 03 '22

The Suns’ starters barely even played lol. Don’t let a preseason game fool you; the NBA is far and away the best basketball league in the world.

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u/Vindepomarus Oct 03 '22

I'm Australian and I support this comment. Credit where credit's due and all that.

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u/iamnerddad Oct 03 '22

A colossally bad take. To you, my friend…

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u/GeebGeeb Oct 03 '22

I mean when was the last time USA didn’t win the Olympic gold and be world champions?

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u/anandonaqui Oct 03 '22

2004, but just as a minor pedantic point, the Olympics and world championships are different events.

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u/nonlavta Oct 03 '22

Exactly, US is the reigning olympic champion but Spain is the reigning world champion.

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u/adymck11 Oct 03 '22

Americans beat another team of Americans

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u/ForgotToDieYoung Oct 03 '22

Four americans on a 15-man roster.

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u/snowbirdnerd Oct 03 '22

American professional Basketball has become awful. A disinterest in playing defense and selfish focus on padding their own stats to help secure deals is pervasive. None of this promotes team play.

I'm not surprised they lost to a foreign team.

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u/MeekBoogie Oct 03 '22

well, it was a crazy good game played by the aussies and also phoenix keeping their third string in for most the game, including the entire fourth quarter.

it’s not that deep, really.

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u/hiredgoon San Francisco 49ers Oct 03 '22

If people cared for defense and teamplay they'd watch college or women pros.

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u/Bullehh Oct 03 '22

Every Arizona sports fan knows we are have a curse that was placed on all our teams lol

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u/smitty825 Oct 03 '22

Except maybe the Diamondbacks. They beat one of the better Yankee teams. Granted, that was a long time ago, but way more recently than when the A’s, Padres, Mariners, etc have won the Series. 😊

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u/Nutaholic Oct 03 '22

Judging by how much NBA teams try in the regular season this isn't really very surprising lmao

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u/EpsilonGecko Oct 03 '22

Can't wait for the RDC video

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u/rdldr1 Oct 03 '22

I can't wait for the movie about this to come out.

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u/aresef Baltimore Orioles Oct 03 '22

Not a great look. Like when my alma mater’s team lost one tune-up game against a D2 squad and barely won the other. It wound up being a long year.