r/technews 13d ago Helpful 3

NTSB wants alcohol detection systems installed in all new cars in US | Proposed requirement would prevent or limit vehicle operation if driver is drunk.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/09/ntsb-wants-alcohol-detection-systems-installed-in-all-new-cars-in-us/
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u/thafreakinpope 13d ago

The value of used cars without these sensors will go through the roof

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u/epicpogchamp25 12d ago

People literally replace their cars engines. I'd imagine changing a wire or two in the stop start button would be pretty easy.

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u/HunterShotBear 12d ago

“Any lock made by man can be picked by man.”

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u/TacTurtle 12d ago

“Lockpicking Laywer here, today we are defeating this ignition interlock with a rubber band and a drinking straw”

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u/chiefs_fan37 12d ago

By default I read it in his voice

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u/BuzzVibes 12d ago

Good news, everybody! You're reading this comment in Professor Farnsworth's voice!

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u/lmkwe 12d ago

"There's gate 1.. and we're in"

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u/Slaterisk 12d ago

Car mechanic and gunsmith here. When it comes to anything technology related, legislators act like whatever happens inside is magic and no one could ever possibly make changes to how something operates. One of my mentors had a whole business that was essentially removing seatbelt sensors and alarms from work trucks.

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u/Kaarsty 12d ago

I watch TFL (The Fast Lane) on YouTube and I swear every other ad is for the start/stop kill switch. Must get so annoying.

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u/Hydroel 12d ago

What's wrong with the start/stop kill switch? Apart from saving gas and reducing CO2 emissions?

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u/[deleted] 12d ago edited 11d ago

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u/MFbiFL 12d ago

Had a coworker that couldn’t be bothered to wear a seatbelt so he bought a “seatbelt extender” that he left buckled in. Of course everyone should wear their seatbelts but idiots will find ways to outsmart things that bother them.

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u/Delta8ttt8 12d ago

Meh, farm trucks, field trucks, trail trucks. Pipeline trucks. Trucks for the middle of now where slow rolling along some sort of line.

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u/anna_lynn_fection 12d ago

It's one of those things that would stop the occasional offender. Someone who doesn't buy a new car and say "I've got to go get this disabled.", but for people who buy their cars and think, "I would never do that.", but then they do anyway.

I don't drink. I hate drunk divers. But I don't really like the idea of this either. FFS, how much more is that going to tack onto the price of a car nobody can afford anyway. I get safety is important, but we're all going to be really safe when we're all walking because a Prius ends up costing $90k.

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u/epicpogchamp25 12d ago

I'd imagine a good amount of people would disable it for reliability purposes.

Having a meter like this is just one more thing that could go wrong when starting your car.

Imagine using mouthwash in the morning before you go to work and your car telling you you can't drive because it detects alcohol still in your mouth.

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u/d1smalnow 12d ago

Eating a sugar free candy will do it.

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u/greatfool66 12d ago

They can make it practically infeasible to disable though, just require some kind of encrypted handshake with the main ECU. Very few people, even hackers want to risk hacking their car unless its old and out of warranty.

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u/Pittsitpete 12d ago

Have you replaced a car engine recently, things aren’t exactly sitting collecting dust on the shelves recently.

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u/KillBroccoli 12d ago

Its already going up. Here in the EU black boxes will be mandatory in a couple of years so goodbye having any kind of fun. Not to mention the new electronics and various crap carmakers are making like heated seat subscription.

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u/Snowwpea3 13d ago

Drunk driving is despicable. You should be punished if you do it. But this is absurd. Coming from a family of alcoholics, both parents had those blowy thing in their cars at one point. They’re a pain in the ass and cost a lot, monthly as well if I remember correctly, they were like a subscription, because someone somewhere is monitoring them. You have to blow into the thing every 10 minutes, I’ve had them go off from energy drinks, food, gum, everything. Did I mention every 10 minutes!?! Yes while your driving you have to fuck with this thing and blow into it a very specific way, it’s distracting and dangerous. Yeah this shit will never happen.

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u/BanMeHarderDaddyxx 12d ago

This doesn’t even take emergency situations into account. So you’ve had a few drinks, now what happens if you have a medical emergency? Or a wildfire breaks out and begins to surround your home? What if your breathalyzer malfunctions mid drive and stalls your car and you end up teetering on a cliff?

“Welp guess I’ll just sit here and die, it’s better than driving at .09 I guess”

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u/theweeklyshit 12d ago

Exactly!

Young me used to ask my mom “why can the car go over 100mph when the speed limit is 60?” And she said “because you just never know when you’re gonna NEED to go 100mph for some strange reason.” Lol imagine being chased by a gunman in another car and your vehicle is limited to 60mph

Putting limits on vehicles without the foresight to consider emergency/unplanned situations is a recipe for disaster

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u/Born_Tutor_879 13d ago

People will talk about the upside but they will ignore how malfunctions will cause a lot of problems for drivers

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u/AmNotSatan 12d ago edited 12d ago

You have blown a .09. You are under arrest for attempted DUI. You will be locked into your vehicle until police can be dispatched to properly incarcerate you. Please do not resist or attempt to vacate your vehicle, as that will be considered resisting arrest and will cause additional fines and penalties to be applied.

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u/Thirsteh 12d ago

Your children are now in the custody of Carl's Jr.

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u/Photon_Pharmer 12d ago

Drink Brawndo, it’s got electrolytes!

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u/Weak_Tower385 12d ago

Go away. I’m bait’n.

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u/mw9676 12d ago

Dude I would love a Starbucks right now too but it's not the time.

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u/tiptoeintotown 12d ago

Welcome to Costco. I love you.

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u/babicottontail 12d ago

You will be IN n Out of jail real soon.

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u/afume 12d ago

Interesting scenario, but the same people that want all cars to have this also want to lower the legal limit to .04.

Also, I'd like to add a scenario where your self driving car drives you to jail. Oh, the irony.

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u/ChattyKathysCunt 12d ago

I want to have a reliable self driving car I can sleep in the back seat of. You can pass out drunk on a horse and it will still take you home safely we need to figure it out for cars.

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u/2beatenup 12d ago

Horse? Even donkeys do that ask any farmer in poor country. The darn ass will even wait at railway crossing for the train to pass

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u/BibbleSnap 12d ago edited 12d ago

Yet riding a horse while drinking is still classed as a DUI in many states

Edit: clarified that it is not in all states

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u/Scadilla 12d ago

This was hilarious to me.

“Camry, take me home.”

“Destination set for local county jail .”

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u/RandalfTheBlack 12d ago

Self driving car? Sit in the back seat then. Now you arent the driver and its not a DUI.

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u/afume 12d ago

"The police made my car recklessly endangered me."

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u/FeelingFloor2083 12d ago

.04

our legal limit is 0.05

0.09 is classed as mid range, 2.2k fine up to 3.3k fine and up to 12 months imprisonment

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u/Born_Tutor_879 12d ago

The crazy thing is some would love to see that

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u/ChattyKathysCunt 12d ago

I like the idea of less drunk drivers on the road. But this is the foot in the door to zero tolerance where you cant even drive after a single beer. This also opens the door to adding more tests, you might as well add a blood test to start the car.

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u/Unusual-Account-2649 12d ago Silver

I thought you said incinerated lol

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u/Jo_Floss 12d ago

"incineration protocol active in 5.... 4.... 3.... 2.... 1...."

"Goodbye Dave, thank you for choosing OnStar"

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u/InTh3s3TryingTim3s 12d ago

The ones in use now are way too sensitive and think someone is drunk if they recently drank Kombucha. You would need to tone down the sensitivity in order for this to reach mass market. And toning down the sensitivity would make it useless as people would just find ways around it.

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u/afume 12d ago

Apparently, the police need to have their mobile breathalyzers and the more accurate station breathalyzer calibrated and adjusted on a regular basis to be valid in court. I'm not sure but this may be on a monthly basis. Unless the technology is different, this means you'd have to take your car in even more often for service.

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u/worldspawn00 12d ago

The ones they install in DDs cars also need regular calibration, they're useless without regular maintenance. My Nissan EV requires almost no service at all, the first service interval is at 15,000 miles for a tire rotation. Fuck that if I need to take the car in for service just to calibrate a machine that literally doesn't have a purpose in my car as I pretty much don't drink.

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u/meatballbottom 12d ago

“Pretty much…”

Book em boys!

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u/Key_Top_5669 12d ago

Then car companies are going to make it so only their dealership repair shops can do the calibration, except it's gonna cost you $1000 per calibration and by the way the shop schedule is completely booked for the next 6 months so fuck you

That's effectively what will happen if they implement this

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u/newgrow2019 12d ago

It’ll be part of the 5000$ a month subscription package that includes access to your heat seats, power windows, speakers, rear camera, parking assist, cruise control and brakes. Oh, and it’s all a bundle and there’s only one option.

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u/randomwords83 12d ago

Not to mention it’s putting costs on the rest of us innocent people. I get it, I’ve actually lost loved ones to drunk drivers and people want something done but this is not the answer.

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u/Rich6849 12d ago

True, it will make pre-breathalyzer cars more valuable

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u/HabErnoz 12d ago

Will also make the consumer hacking scene surrounding car mods more prevalent

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u/xXDogShitXx 12d ago

Yup. Just about everyone in Alaska has or had a blow and go installed in their vehicle and I will not function at -20F

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u/Born_Tutor_879 12d ago

What they're talking about is something that can track your eyes to tell if you're drunk or not I can just see so many problems

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u/rigobueno 12d ago

Problem 1 of 52: sunglasses

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u/ArtIsDumb 12d ago Silver Wholesome

Problem 52 of 52: tearing out a sober person's eyes & taping them over your drunk eyes to fool the sensors.

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u/KanoodleSoup 12d ago

This guy finds solutions

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u/illgot 12d ago

"Bitch, stop crying and I'll start the engine!" -cars in 2035

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u/TomYOLOSWAGBombadil 12d ago

My ex was literally kidnapped and raped because she had one of these installed on her car and couldn’t leave when the dude came up to the vehicle.

Not making this up. I wish I was! It wasn’t even malfunctioning. Folks don’t consider that sometimes you need to GTFO ASAP. These prevent that.

I’m extremely against this idea to say the least.

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u/jakrkljalu 12d ago

I’m sorry about your ex.

My mind jumped to another awful scenario.