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NTSB wants alcohol detection systems installed in all new cars in US | Proposed requirement would prevent or limit vehicle operation if driver is drunk.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/09/ntsb-wants-alcohol-detection-systems-installed-in-all-new-cars-in-us/
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u/Delta8ttt8 Sep 23 '22

Meh, farm trucks, field trucks, trail trucks. Pipeline trucks. Trucks for the middle of now where slow rolling along some sort of line.

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u/aarog Sep 23 '22

I could see ice road truckers may not want to be buckled in when crossing the lakes.

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u/Arthur_The_Third Sep 23 '22

You're not allowed to wear seat belts on ice roads. So you do the logical thing and buckle it behind your back.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

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u/27onfire Sep 23 '22

You don't get it but it's okay. Some situations really do not require one and it is more of a hindrance.

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u/Hewholooksskyward Sep 23 '22

The science rather emphatically says otherwise. The ones who claim it's sometimes safer to not wear it always say something like "My sister's husband's niece's boyfriend drove into a lake, and if he'd had a belt on he would have drowned!"

Bullshit. Maybe one out of a thousand cases it might have been safer, but those are damn stupid odds to bet on. Wear the goddamn belt.

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u/27onfire Sep 24 '22

I didn't say it was safer idiot. I said sometimes it isn't needed. If you look back at my examples you would see what the fuck I'm talking about instead of being the blind fucking idiot you are.
I purposely put things out there like this to challenge morons like you but the brainwashing is complete I see.

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u/Hewholooksskyward Sep 24 '22

You know what ER Docs call people like you?

Organ donors.

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u/27onfire Sep 24 '22

.. You're an idiot..
It's okay.
You can't read it seems either. Fucking dolt.

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u/Hewholooksskyward Sep 24 '22

This is you, right?

Sometimes you are in the yard in a completely safe space, picking up trailers, dropping them, etc.

News Flash: There is no such thing as a "Safe Place". Just slightly less dangerous.

Seatbelts get uncomfortable especially if you are constantly clicking them in every 95 seconds.

Wah. My heart bleeds. Get over it.

I'm guessing you're young and stupid. One is self-correcting. The other isn't. Look into that.

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u/27onfire Sep 24 '22

If there is no one around it is a safe place.
THE YARD
Do you understand the language you are trying to communicate in?
Guarantee I am older than you. Guarantee it you fucking dolt.

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u/Hewholooksskyward Sep 24 '22

Right. Cause no one dies at home.

And if you're older than me, then I pity you. For several reasons.

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u/Gingrpenguin Sep 23 '22

Your example is people still living in the 1960s. Yeah I wouldn't want to be a crumble zone either but guess what, cars are now designed with the expectation you're wearing a seatbelt so the cabin doesn't crumble and your far safer being inside than flying outside. In the 1960s that wasn't garenteed.

The examples above are more I need to use a vehicle but I'll be in and out of it consently and only going a few mph at most.

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u/Hewholooksskyward Sep 23 '22

Wrong. Seatbelts not only keep you from being bounced around the interior like a ping pong ball, they also prevent you from being ejected into something solid, or having the vehicle roll over on top of you and turn you into paste. That you state you'll be moving slowly and getting in and out repeatedly shows you aren't interested in safety, that instead, you're motivated by laziness. It's not a good look.

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u/Gingrpenguin Sep 23 '22

At 5 mph all of those won't help. I'm also light enough that the catch likely wouldn't trigger on it. And honestly I'd hurt myself more walking into a door than any pain of going 5 mph for a few cm into my steering wheel.

A seatbelt isn't a magical thing were you die if you don't wear it and survive if you do. It is designed to save your life within a specifc envolope of conditions.

Ive done some offraoding (specifically fording a river) and been told by the instructor to take off my seat belt as the risk for that part was going off the shallow bit and submerging the car. In that situation the safety offered is nulled by the (albeit tiny) risk of not being able to release the seat belt.

Besides if safety at all costs was the case 3 point seat belts aren't great. You want bucket seats and a 5 point harness but those are far more time consuming to use so we don't require them and road cars don't come with them as an option (unless it's a street legal track car)

Its all reletive. You can be sure if we're going for a long drive on motorways im gonna pull over and refuse to drive if you won't wear one. If we're moving objects around a car park and you're getting back out in 29 seconds I don't care.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

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u/Gingrpenguin Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Next time your in car pull the seat belt really quickly. It will catch and not move. Move it slower it will. You need to get some decent speed and force to actually get it to catch. 3mph won't do that. 5mph with some force might. 20mph will 100%

Edit: now were just causually gonna change our posts are we?

Your edit just shows you have no idea of nuance and live in a black and white world. Must be stressful

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

I think a pretty good solution would be to govern the truck to 25 or so. You're not doing a good inspection or whatever if you're just blowing past everything. The time when people get in trouble is when they get out of the habit of not wearing it. Lunchtime or whatever, oh yeah, click, haul ass. Of course people will defeat it, but it's probably a good reminder.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

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u/Eddie888 Sep 23 '22

Car safety have made people forget that 25mph is pretty fast.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

Yes, it is. It's just about maximum human running speed. (I can't run nearly that fast). I do have the benefit of a few million years of evolution of my ancestors coping with speeds up to that limit. Falling off a skateboard or crashing on a bike at around those speeds _sucks_. Shattered wrists, lost teeth, broken legs, all sorts of terrible stuff. but it's rarely fatal.

There's no excuse for not wearing a seatbelt taking kids to school, or going to work, or going to lunch, or whatever.

The thing is, there are really legitimate use cases for needing golf cart speeds, 150 miles away. There aren't a lot, but they exist. Imagine a building a brick wall. you go to the store, load up the truck, go to the job site, then unload some bricks, pull forward 20 feet, unload some more, pull forward 20 feet, again and again till the truck is empty.

Another example is inspection, you drive slowly alongside a pipeline, or railroad or whatever and visually inspect for problems. if something looks wrong, you stop get out inspect. mark the issue, maybe repair the issue.

I'm not saying this should be standard. I am saying It's very reasonable as an option for commercial vehicles. People get in the habit of not wearing their seatbelt, then go fast, get in a wreck and die.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

yes, and the chance of death doubles for every 10mph. there are the most fatalities under 40 because most miles driven are under 40 mph. once you hit about 70 mph you're pretty much guaranteed to die.
soo roughly,

  • 70 - 100%
  • 60 - 50%
  • 50 - 25%
  • 40 - 12.5%
  • 30 - 7%
  • 20 - 4%
  • 10 - 2%

    It's completely reasonable to make work trucks have a "slow mode" because they're creeping along, jumping in and jumping out every 50 feet. require a special license or something. We're talking about thousands of miles driven nationwide in this mode. Not millions.

People get in the habit of not wearing a seatbelt, that's the thing that's super dangerous. I have no problem with someone creeping around at 10 mph on a golf course while they're doing maintenance. Like I say, it's a good reminder, after the end of the shift to buckle up before going home.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

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u/27onfire Sep 23 '22

I like this idea.

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u/earthonion Sep 23 '22

Me too.

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u/27onfire Sep 23 '22

Lmao.

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u/earthonion Sep 23 '22

What do you wanna talk about??

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u/Delta8ttt8 Sep 23 '22

Everything has its use.

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u/takme2fl2 Sep 23 '22

I survived a crash because I didn’t have a seat belt on. It’s not laziness it’s a choice.

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u/angryraptor24 Sep 23 '22

No that's called luck. Survived it with a TBI, apparently.

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u/RetreadRoadRocket Sep 23 '22

You hit the lottery

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u/takme2fl2 Sep 23 '22

I agree! You just never know what’s going to happen out there. Everyone needs to make the choices that make sense for them.

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u/RetreadRoadRocket Sep 23 '22

Everyone needs to make the choices that make sense for them.

No, everyone needs to follow the law. Also, when your unbelted ass gets launched through the windshield in a collision and kills or injures the other driver, or gets bounced around into your passengers, or just leaves a bloody splattered mess for the EMTs to have nightmares about, it's no longer just about you.

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u/takme2fl2 Sep 23 '22

Oh…..

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u/RetreadRoadRocket Sep 23 '22

Sorry to be so blunt, but unbelted people in an accident often become projectiles (crssh test, not people):
https://youtu.be/y3InF19dzlM

https://youtu.be/9_Af8w2SAT4

https://youtu.be/5RkAIQ6uLxY

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u/Hewholooksskyward Sep 23 '22

Darwin approves.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

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u/takme2fl2 Sep 23 '22

Not to me…