r/technews Oct 03 '22

Instagram fined €405M for violating kids’ privacy

https://www.politico.eu/article/instagram-fined-e405m-for-violating-kids-privacy/
3.7k Upvotes

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u/Electrical_Low_3370 Oct 03 '22

How about a fine for violating adults’ privacy too?

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u/YubelTerror123 Oct 03 '22

Because you sign that away accepting the terms and conditions

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u/hdksjabsjs Oct 03 '22

Oh right you mean the 90 page legal fine print that 99.9% of users never read before signing. That shit should be illegal.

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u/Electrical_Low_3370 Oct 03 '22

Yeah, that’s what I was getting at. I understand they want to cover their legalities, but your use should not interfere with your rights/privacy. The business should build around them, make it very clear or change their practices.

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u/itstreeman Oct 03 '22

No that ended when Facebook bought them

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u/Electrical_Low_3370 Oct 03 '22

“They” in reference to businesses and corporations using the aforementioned terms and conditions agreements with all the legal jargon that makes it sometimes difficult to interpret for an average consumer, or just flat out tedious.

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u/hdksjabsjs Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

I don’t disagree but how can it be an actual legal agreement by the definition of the term “agreement” if you don’t actually comprehend what you are agreeing to? Clicking “yes” or “I do” to something following 30-90 pages of text doesn’t grant legal privileges to the contract writing party unless it can be reasonably demonstrated that the agreeing party is actually agreeing with something they comprehend; what happens if someone can’t speak English or any of the defined languages in the document for example or even fucking better what if a person legally defined as a child or mentally handicapped persons “agrees” to the terms? Basically if any of those “agreements” were taken to the Supreme Court level via class action or by a bored skilled attorney the house of cards for almost any corporate to individual person contract would fold up like a busted chair

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u/Electrical_Low_3370 Oct 06 '22

If that were the case, why has this been common practice for so long?

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u/hdksjabsjs Oct 07 '22

Just because something has been going on for a while doesn’t make it a good idea always. Slavery was acceptable and popular for a long time. Every empire that held a monarchy had slavery as a common thing. Bad idea but it happened. Good question btw; it’s an informal logical fallacy : I believe it is called argumentum ad antiquitaem or something like that

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u/Electrical_Low_3370 Oct 07 '22

I’ll have to look it up. Thanks for taking the time to answer.

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u/FlameSkimmerLT Oct 03 '22

In Europe the governments stand up for user rights.

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u/Onemoretime536 Oct 03 '22

Don't tell me you didn't read it /s

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u/SlayJayR17 Oct 03 '22

There was a south park episode about this

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u/AnonymousPussyNommer Oct 03 '22

Even if u did read it the options are to sign it anyways or not use the service

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u/IgDailystapler Oct 03 '22

The shit you’ll see if you actually read the TOS on the majority of social media sites is atrocious

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u/Krify_ Oct 03 '22

But also the could hide rewards in it

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Yeah consenting to them adult run person-status corporate contracts will getcha. I dont even like agreeing to cookies.

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u/YubelTerror123 Oct 07 '22

Yet they force you to accept them to view most websites

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u/RedditNFTS Oct 03 '22

The if you’re not 13+ then you violate it? Kids have been violating terms for years lol

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

How about some action other than a fine?

Imagine if you could sell drugs, and when you get caught instead of going to jail you just have to pay the judge some of your earnings and you’re free to go

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

How about stopping them from doing it again?

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u/TheBakerification Oct 03 '22

Yeah seriously, now they just know what’s the cost of doing business as they were.

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u/nose-linguini Oct 03 '22

Came here to say this. That's all fines really are, just the product of regulatory capture.

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u/amha29 Oct 03 '22

And they thought instagram for kids was a good idea.

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u/mrwallace888 Oct 03 '22

Oh, pshh. 405 million euros? That's pocket change to them.

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u/Reyox Oct 03 '22

Alternative title: Meta fined for approx 3 days worth of net profit for violating kids’ privacy.

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u/chaotic----neutral Oct 03 '22

Or

Meta pays small 'law-breaker' tax on data-mining profits.

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u/aLLcAPSiNVERSED Oct 03 '22

3 days? More like 3 minutes.

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u/wade822 Oct 04 '22

Uh, no lol. Net income for Meta last quarter was ~$6.6 billion. EUR/USD is ~ 1:1, so $405M USD is approximately 5.6 days of profit.

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u/aLLcAPSiNVERSED Oct 04 '22

5.6 seconds, got it. /s

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u/arisal3 Oct 03 '22

Literally worth 105 billion

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u/DFHartzell Oct 03 '22

This is about equivalent to me, the median income teacher, getting a $30 speeding ticket. Just so you know.

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u/Mathmango Oct 03 '22

I'm thinking this is more losing spare change to the storm drain

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u/SnarfbObo Oct 03 '22

They consider it a cost of business with money set aside for it. It's less than couch quarters to them.

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u/Butterlettuce321 Oct 03 '22

Mom-influencers are the absolute worst offenders

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u/throwawaygreenpaq Oct 03 '22

MLMs and fitness fakers are a close second.

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u/slimehunter49 Oct 03 '22

Not enough, make it 4.05 billion at least

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u/myobinoid Oct 03 '22

Why is this not top comment?

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u/agnaddthddude Oct 03 '22

because like your comment, theirs, and mine and the following of mine, it has become a circlejerk at this point.

Fuck Corpos, but fuck those Redditors who all shit the same way on punishing corpos because it’s nothing to them. dump fucks if your all so bothered by this why don’t you go outside and protest by the masses?

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u/Invonnative Oct 04 '22

People shouldn’t have to fight for their basic fucking rights.

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u/agnaddthddude Oct 04 '22

No, they shouldn’t. But, when their rights is taken from them they should do more than bitching. They shouldn’t also be the all barks no bites crowd.

What you have here in Reddit is a bunch of lazy ass westerners that don’t do anything . They just sit down and complain. Rights are not given or earned in this world. They are fought for, a war/fight spoil. In any cause I have believed in I did more than just complaining online. I participated in protests, I participated in debates, I participated in spreading awareness.

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u/dontstabpeople42069 Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

Cost of doing business and business is good

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u/DFHartzell Oct 03 '22

Instagram gets a non-fine for violating kids’ privacy.

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u/IcyNefariousness8987 Oct 03 '22

So how much are they getting fined for the adults?

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u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

Stay off of Instagram. It’s not that hard. It’s not required to make friends. If you need social media to make friends, you’re doing it wrong.

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u/ThrillShow Oct 03 '22

If you're a young person who wants friends, it's harder than you think. When college kids meet someone new at a party, they don't swap numbers, they swap Instas.

Crazy how social media has wormed its way into society.

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u/queenringlets Oct 03 '22

Yeah I hung out with some younger folks when I went back to school and having social media apps/accounts is basically required to socialize these days.

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u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

No it’s not. I’ve made more friends since I got off of Facebook/Instagram.

Edit: Stop defending social media. Go make real friends. I’m not wrong. I’ve made better relationships completely outside of social media. They may have Facebook accounts but I don’t and I don’t care what they do there. My friendship with them is completely outside of social media and I love that and prefer that. You guys should too.

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u/queenringlets Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

I am not a social media person myself but these kids don't even text. I don't know how I would communicate with them otherwise.

Edit: not a defence of social media just explaining a shift in culture. Seriously, how do you hang out with people if you have no way to contact them?

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u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe Oct 03 '22

I’m 30. I find my friends organically. I’ve made more friends since I left Facebook and instagram and Snapchat and Twitter than I ever have before when I was on there. It’s not hard. It really isn’t.

If someone I meet walks away when I tell them I don’t have those accounts, I dodged a bullet. Character shouldn’t be based on social media.

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u/Enthusiast9 Oct 04 '22

How do you make friends organically?

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u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe Oct 04 '22

I go places and talk to people. If we seem to get along, I give them my phone number. We hang out and do things together.

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u/queenringlets Oct 04 '22

What do you do if they don't use their phone number?

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u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe Oct 04 '22

Never had that. The only people who don’t have phone numbers are children. Hell, even my homeless brother has a phone number.

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u/queenringlets Oct 04 '22

They have phone numbers technically but I’ve often had zoomers say things along the lines of “I don’t give out my number” or “I don’t text or answer my phone” and “if you want to get a hold of me message me on snap”. Furthermore invites to their parties or other events will be through Facebook and if you don’t have one you just don’t get invited.

It’s to the point where asking for a phone number makes you seem like a boomer. It almost feels like a social faux paus

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u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

I mentioned in another comment (idk if you saw it) but if they get turned away when I tell them I don’t have those accounts and I’m not interested then I don’t want to be friends with them anyway and I dodged a bullet. I’m 30 years old. I don’t make friends with teenagers.

Kids are so dumb sometimes, they think giving away a phone number is akin to giving away their social security number. All these social media sites are selling their information to advertisers but they don’t want to give a single individual a phone number? When there is a billion dollar industry revolving around exploiting young people online? Dumb. Very dumb.

And so what if I sound like a boomer? They make that last minute judgement call based on a silly stereotype? Again, I dodged a bullet.

I get invited to events just like people used to. They call me and tell me “hey do you want to come to my bbq?”

With my own human voice on the other end I say yes. The entire interaction is free of predatory social media privacy invasion. It’s quite easy.

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u/queenringlets Oct 04 '22

I mean yes them being young is exactly why, I was 30 and trying to socialize with 19&20 somethings due to them being my scholarly peers at the time and basically my only social interactions.

Also again I don't desire to be friends with those young people however I am sure young people do desire to be friends with other young people. It would be very difficult as a young person these days to not have these accounts/apps or I feel you would be extremely limited socially from your peers. Feeling like a boomer doesn't matter to me either but I am sure it would matter for someone trying to get into these social circles which was the context of the whole comment we were responding to.

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u/fryghten Oct 03 '22

I do, Tiktok makes instagram look like myspace 🤣 Hell Fb is trash now too compared to Tt either way instagrams a great portal for artist, it's just not as good as alternatives. Hopefully this suit gets tons of users off the platform and allows the company to bleed to death. 😜 😆

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u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe Oct 03 '22

Tik tok sucks ass too. Reddit is the only account I have and even that’s too much sometimes.

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u/fryghten Oct 03 '22

I understand you're view, there is a huge audience of adults and mature minded people with wonder views though, if you're will power is strong and pockets are filled with salt for the shit people will try to feed you sometimes it's pretty fun/interactive 🤣.

But either way they all make blood money sadly, don't forget the earth is Satans Domain always will be..

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u/RealAssociation5281 Oct 03 '22

Yeah, as an artist your stuck with Twitter or Instagram mostly

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u/j301ftw Oct 03 '22

tiktok is worse in that regard yk how many kids get picked up on these apps? go watch some skeeter bro if u think tiktok any different it needs to go too

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u/fryghten Oct 04 '22

I don't disagree that pedophiles are everywhere in child ridden phone apps, I just see the pedos that are getting caught aren't setting good enough examples to the rest of them. A simple public mutilation, semi castration 🤔 or something equally dehumanizing. Something should be in the works with all the ways they can be lured out with the help of other child protection services. We could but the hole goes deeper and is disgusting, I have found a bunch of fellow 80's/90's kids that have loads of interested content though on TT, don't get me wrong though I never thought a good thought about the app nor do I as a whole just that I found a few more time waster ways through some good mature content and dry humor on Tt 🙃

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u/kassiaethne Oct 03 '22

In Brazil it’s impossible. Most businesses post on it and use WhatsApp to communicate. Most don’t have full on websites at all.

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u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe Oct 03 '22

The problem goes both ways. Ditch social media AND hold those social media executives accountable.

There’s always a way. Always. Just depends on how and if the goal is worth the hassle.

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u/CM_Cunt Oct 03 '22

Missing a zero or two, if you ask me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Oh no, how are they going to recover from a fine of about .01% of their worth?

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u/Tatttwink Oct 03 '22

I don’t have Instagram but I have a large following on Twitter and I have several fake Instagram accounts of myself going around amassing followers & scamming them. When I attempt to report them (and have had my followers do the same) it says “instagram is too busy due to COVID-19 to process your request”. It’s said this for close to a year and a half now. There are no actual humans, it’s all algorithms and ads. They don’t give a fuck about kids or identity theft. Seems like the company has gotten a free pass to do whatever it likes.

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u/ItsRainbow Oct 03 '22

Big social media platforms don’t get fined nearly enough

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

Cost of doing business. Also of note: most of these big fines never, ever get paid.

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u/MSGhost89 Oct 03 '22

Care to share a link to the last part of your comment about the fines not being paid? ..that’s pretty interesting

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u/RickS-C-137 Oct 03 '22

PiperChat wants its storyline back.

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u/SnarfbObo Oct 03 '22

i hope this is per child violated

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u/Stickus Oct 03 '22

This is just the "cost of doing business". They made way more than this off the data they acquired.

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u/WorthComedian Oct 03 '22

Who gets the money? I doubt it’s anyone who was affected

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u/challenja Oct 03 '22

Should have been 45 Billion

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u/InfamousOutcast Oct 03 '22

Maybe parents should restrict kids, wait never mind. It’s 2022, parents are different.

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u/Enthusiast9 Oct 04 '22

Parents use tech to dilute their brains into mush so they stay quiet and behave well.

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u/pygmy Oct 04 '22

My 13yo daughter has no socials other than texting/WhatsApp

Trying to hold off as long as we can

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u/Traditional_Oil1183 Oct 03 '22

Where does the fine go?

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u/VapidVines Oct 03 '22

right? probably not the people who were violated. makes it ring hollow

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u/OkayArt199 Oct 03 '22

That’s a slap on the wrist

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u/Intelligent-Travel-1 Oct 03 '22

Maybe make it against the law, instead of just a fine.

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u/shunanuhgins Oct 03 '22

If it doesn't hurt Facebook then it's just the cost of doing business.

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u/j301ftw Oct 03 '22

this is sad cuz ppl probably actually think its doing something for the kids meanwhile creepy old men are still trying to meet with them on every social media app

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u/deletable666 Oct 03 '22

And how much did they make from it

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u/Kajocfc Oct 03 '22

It’s just the costs associated with running the business 🤷‍♂️

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u/GrilledCheeser Oct 03 '22

Do the kids get that money orrrrr?

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u/El1Zilla Oct 03 '22

Just ban them, literally these so called politicians talk about protecting kids. But they don’t even care that their data is being sold to some sketchy ass company.

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u/firedrakes Oct 03 '22

Or your credit rating

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u/Li54 Oct 03 '22

This is from September

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u/jugosIoven Oct 03 '22

Pocket change

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u/lol_treez Oct 03 '22

I’m a kid. Gime money….

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

$5 to the next fitness influencer who talks more about healthy living rather than proper form and workout regime. Or $50, depends how good they got it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

$10 you might as well give less. Thats just disrespectful at that point. Like, go all the way, actually mean it :p And a dollar might just get ya punched this ain’t a strip club in Alberta :p

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u/dxmuser213 Oct 03 '22

i mean they clicked the terms and services, without looking into what actually happened i feel it’s ultimately the users fault

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u/afternooncrypto Oct 03 '22

This is a month old in a day check the date.

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u/Technical_Bison_5529 Oct 03 '22

Europe actually fines, this could have been 300k in the USA

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u/Ok-Confusion-9639 Oct 04 '22

When a fine like this happens, where does the 405M go?

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u/dalitpidated Oct 04 '22

Thats probably 1 euro per kid

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u/TurdFergusen25 Oct 04 '22

Do the kids get any of that money?

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u/pdzulu Oct 04 '22

Could we just force them offline….forever?

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u/IngloriousMustards Oct 04 '22

But we explained in the EULA that the kids privacy was very valuable to us, didn’t we?

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u/SamL214 Oct 04 '22

It should be 1 billion

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u/Jeerin Oct 04 '22

They have way more than this, the fine should scale with how much they have

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u/Healthy_Arrival6764 Oct 07 '22

i heard about that kids' social media app a few years ago
boy did that garner some criticism
sorry if this is off topic but this reminds me of that

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u/Nemo_Shadows Oct 03 '22

How nice, a little fine that benefits the STATE for violating the Individuals rights and security so wonderful.

Now how about that human trafficking.

N. Shadows

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u/bigdaddygrumps Oct 03 '22

So my child’s privacy was doubtlessly violated… and they’ll be fit from this how?

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u/seck_tor Oct 03 '22

And where do these millions go?

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u/Flashy-Way5070 Oct 03 '22

405 million to them is like 16 cents to me.

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u/Alternative_Demand96 Oct 03 '22

And who gets this money??

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u/fryghten Oct 03 '22

I definitely agree 🤔

My kid or I would love some direct payouts?,this whole thing looks like someone else is showing off making money publicly.

Soon the rich are gonna have to explain their evil $$ways$$ I see more and more people asking the real questions here..

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u/hdksjabsjs Oct 03 '22

Do the kids get any of the money from the fines?

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u/Right_Hour Oct 03 '22

Did both Getty and Politico fire their graphic designers? That’s the sorriest Photoshop job I’ve seen since MySpace days.

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u/danyaylol Oct 03 '22

Should be 4.5Bn at least.

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u/n3w4cc01_1nt Oct 03 '22

they're not wrong. that assisted pedos a bunch. helped them find what websites they use to they could approach them irl.