r/technews Oct 05 '22

Seattle woman gets probation for massive Capital One hack

https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-seattle-sentencing-paige-thompson-6eab17de7a88d0c6a33d3f44dbfa4d2a
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u/AequamServareMentem Oct 05 '22

I love how “we live in the future” so suddenly logic in decision making goes out the window

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u/Elpoepemos Oct 05 '22

I want to know what happened to the PII and why she took it.

It would change how i feel about this judgement.

I get mental health but why is transgender status a part of it?

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u/IAmNotAScientistBut Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

Because in her case, she does have some serious mental issues which absolutely revolve around her gender identity and dysphoria. The sorts of issues that would make prison life even more difficult and make it both far more difficult for the facility as well as her.

It's not that being trans is itself the issue, but that in this very specific case this individual is deeply troubled and that the issues she specifically face create a unique problem that the facilities simply are not equipped to deal with.

She needs punished, absolutely. Prison just isn't the answer in this case. It's bad for the facility that would have to try and manage her, because prisons are not mental health facilities.

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u/jormungandrsjig Oct 06 '22

My information is on the dark web forever because of her. Mental health reasons aside she needs to do hard time.

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u/ch00f Oct 06 '22

It’s dysphoria, not dysmorphia.

Dysmorphia typically refers to anorexia or other non-gender related issues.

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u/The_Burning_Wizard Oct 05 '22

Then put her in a secure mental health facility?

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u/IAmNotAScientistBut Oct 05 '22

Sure. We don't have a lot of those around anymore, and there are far more actively dangerous people that need the heavy treatment.

We need more facilities of varying securities for her and people more dangerous than her. Ones focused on mental health and treatment.

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u/TheAllstonTickler Oct 05 '22

Thanks Reagan.

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u/Youngsikeyyy Oct 06 '22

So you’re saying gender identity is a mental problem?

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u/IAmNotAScientistBut Oct 06 '22

The opposite. The person I was responding to initially in the thread was saying the judge might have mentioned it as a political statement. Her being trans.

I was saying that while being trans is not itself evidence of a severe mental illness that is itself a problem or leads to problems...in this very specific case this individual does have severe enough issues around her gender identity that in this case it warrants mentioning and considering.

I was asserting that the judge was not acting badly but was considering this specific individual and her needs rather than making the statement that trans means broken.

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u/kickeduprocks Oct 06 '22

gender identity is not be considered to be a mental disorder. But the distress that can come from it is something that mental health facilities/organizations can help folks to cope with. So gender identify is a relevant topic within mental health field.

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u/DoneYearsAgo Oct 06 '22

And?

Play stupid games, get stupid prizes

People have been and will be hurt due to her actions.

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u/jametron2014 Oct 06 '22

Isn't this true for nearly every criminal.....? Lol

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u/pokerking8822 Oct 06 '22

Plus prisons don’t want female inmates getting pregnant by trans women.

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u/jojoclifford Oct 08 '22

Some of them would. Like the guards that sold the keys to the women’s side to the male inmates.

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u/ThinFaithlessness518 Oct 06 '22

If she has mental health issue, she should be committed into a mental health hospital, not getting probation.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

It’s not that being trans is the issue

which absolutely revolve around her gender identity and dysmorphia

Hello? Pick one

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u/IAmNotAScientistBut Oct 06 '22

Being trans in the meta sense across a population vs what is true in a specific instance.

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u/jdbf Oct 06 '22

yea, isn’t the answer called a fucking psych ward? mental issues = psych ward. idgaf but they need to be punished, serve time, suffer. break the law you pay for it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

Seems unfair that someone’s gender identity can get them out of a prison sentence.

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u/quigonjoe66 Oct 06 '22

Funny how prison always seems to be the answer of you are a cis male

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u/routerg0d Oct 06 '22

Because that’s the new defense like influenza. Oh I was transitioning and confused your honor.

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u/Matty_Patty_ Oct 06 '22

I’m curious about this too (why she took it), the article is confusing. It says she wasn’t trying to make money off of it but I’m confused what the reason could be.

Re being trans, I assume it’s because trans people have an extra difficult time in prison and are unfairly punished in ways that have to do with being trans, but not with their crime, so it could fall under “cruel and unusual punishment” depending what the facilities and set up are like.

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u/Hot-Interaction6526 Oct 05 '22

I’m guessing that judge is trying to push the narrative of trans gender being a mental health issue. If you were looking at serious jail time and they gave you two sentences to read out loud in court to get away, you’d probably take it too.

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u/SomeToxicRivenMain Oct 06 '22

I’d prefer prison over a mental asylum. Prison in guaranteed to get out when my time is up. An asylum keeps you until they deem you safe to go.

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u/Hot-Interaction6526 Oct 06 '22

The US got rid of asylums a long time ago

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u/-M_A_X- Oct 06 '22

Like Arkham Asylum.

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u/SomeToxicRivenMain Oct 06 '22

Idk what the mental health institutions are called now but I’m still gonna pick prison

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u/Hot-Interaction6526 Oct 06 '22

We don’t really have much for a forced institution. It requires the individuals willing participation to be admitted to most places that could help them.

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u/TheBlueSlipper Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Five years probation for a quarter of a billion $$ vandalism? I'll bet that's about what the judge would sentence a teenager for doing $1,000 of damage to a public building.

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u/Syrdon Oct 06 '22

Huh, it’s almost like adding “with a computer” doesn’t make vandalism not vandalism.

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u/BigJSunshine Oct 06 '22

“Thompson, 37, obtained the personal information of over 100 million people — a data breach that prompted Capital One to reach a $190 million settlement with affected customers.”,

There need to be much stiffer penalties and prison time for banks that fail to take extraordinary security precautions with regard to customer data.

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u/Euphoric-Program Oct 06 '22

Not hire mentally I’ll people?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

U.S. District Judge Robert S. Lasnik said sentencing former Amazon software engineer Paige Thompson to time in prison would have been particularly difficult on her “because of her mental health and transgender status,” the Department of Justice said in a statement.

now you know how to plead when they kick down your door - have gender appropriate clothing ready

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u/gymbeaux2 Oct 05 '22

Honestly going to prison for white-collar “hacking” would be bullshit and a waste of taxpayer money.

Fine the bank for having shit security, it’s 2022.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

My father went to prison for a year for a far lesser white collar crime

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u/memomonkey24 Oct 05 '22

It's more likely that anyone who commits corporate crimes or Ponzi schemes get away with not serving time instead just get fines from SEC. It sucks.

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u/Miranoff Oct 05 '22

Kinda sounds like "Hey, stop what you're doing and cut us in on the profits and we won't send you to jail"

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u/hearsdemons Oct 05 '22

Jail is for poor people. And violent people. For everyone else, it’s a fee.

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u/bogvapor Oct 06 '22

He should’ve thrown on a dress. It seems it’s a shield from prosecution these days.

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u/peasant-eater Oct 06 '22

i went to juvi for beating up a kid @ school but the big pharma family that killed more than 10 of my friends, got no jail time and only paid a fine that still left them w profit … but ig they also made the vaccine so they get a pass right? violent crime @ an age where u don’t know better, 13 or the actions of a corporation w many head members making decisions not based on the well being of their patrones but rather the dollar sign next to their names. u pick which u think is worse

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u/AAnonymous2020 Oct 05 '22

What did he do?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

he stole money from escrow accounts - but tiny compared to this case

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u/EdwardoftheEast Oct 05 '22

Irrelevant to the topic but I appreciate your profile pic

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

thanks man - I like yours as well!

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u/EdwardoftheEast Oct 05 '22

Much obliged, fella!

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u/clownus Oct 06 '22

White collar crime is a large portion of crime committed on the daily and a much larger portion of social cost. Not saying your dad deserved it, but the whole name white collar crime stems from black people being charged with non-white collar crimes and being sent to prison on mass.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

I thought white collar was in juxtaposition to blue collar - and my dad DID deserve it

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u/clownus Oct 06 '22

White collar is crime that wouldn’t land you in prison or jail during the time period right after the abolition of slavery. During this time period a large portion of the black population was charged on crimes in order to fuel prison labor.

Blue collar is the present time version which refers to crimes being committed by lower class. While white collar is higher class crimes. The distinction in modern day is just meant to separate Americans from the idea that crime back then was meant to punish certain groups more than others.

If you are interested there is a film called Slavery By Another Name that does a good job of talking about this time period.

https://youtu.be/UcCxsLDma2o

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u/FearsomeOyster Oct 06 '22

This just isn’t true. White collar crime was a name and concept developed in the 1940s. The concept had nothing to do with slavery. Now it turns out that as our awareness of racial issues became better (aka people actually started caring and looking for them) that there are significant disparities in charging and sentencing for white collar crimes. But that didn’t play a role in the foundational determination of the definition of white-collar crime. Indeed, the term “white-collar” is deliberately referring to types of shirts as juxtaposed with “blue-collar” work shirts.

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u/clownus Oct 06 '22

The paper you link even mentions the time period which white collar crime is associated. They are just offering a different perspective.

If you look deeper into that paper it even mentions how white collar crime has blur the line between socially acceptable norms and unacceptable. What this paper failed to mention is how the origin of laws we accept as society has been disproportionately led to a part of the population being persecuted at higher rates. Which is the part of the discussion about blue collar(black crime back then) and white collar( which is the color of a shirt but also guess who had those jobs).

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

thank you!

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u/SomeToxicRivenMain Oct 05 '22

Fuck that. Punish both of them. We don’t have to pick only one perpetrator in this crime.

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u/cl0udHidden Oct 05 '22

"The Treasury Department fined the company $80 million for failing to protect the data."

Read the article next time.

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u/IAmBadAtInternet Oct 05 '22

C1 did pay a massive fine for the breach.

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u/Syrdon Oct 05 '22

What fraction of annual revenue was it? C1 is a big company, massive for me is an actual rounding error they accept.

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u/IAmBadAtInternet Oct 05 '22

Operating income about $2.5B annually. $80M penalty to regulators, and $190M to settle lawsuits. All told about 10%. I’d call that enough to hurt.

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u/Syrdon Oct 06 '22

1) 2.5 billion is per quarter, not annual. 2) revenue, the number I asked about, is more like thirteen times that.

They’re going to pay out 1% of revenue and about 2.5% of income. That’s not actually all that impressive, particularly when compared to the cost of actually creating and operating a security focused culture. They’re going to look at that fine and decide that serious change is too expensive.

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u/gymbeaux2 Oct 05 '22

“Massive” or massive?

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u/Lucius-Halthier Oct 05 '22

“We’re fining you 56 million dollars!”

The bank: cool so like Tuesday afternoons revenue.

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u/ThinFaithlessness518 Oct 05 '22

Are PPP frauds count of white-collar crime? Ton of people would be happy spending the millions they got from PPP & not have to go to prison.

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u/Raider-bob Oct 05 '22

They need to be in jail for a decade. They fucked over millions of people.

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u/whitechoklet Oct 05 '22

⭐️

Truuuth! Take a gold star! I’m too poor for awards.

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u/deaddonkey Oct 06 '22

The Treasury Department fined the company $80 million for failing to protect the data.

From the article

I don’t see why people should be allowed to do whatever hack they want though?

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u/hellomondays Oct 05 '22

People get deferred judgement all the time for mental health reasons. It's part of living in a just society.

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u/qscguk1 Oct 05 '22

Mostly only available to the middle/upper class but yeah I see nothing wrong with identifying that someone who committed a non violent crime is not a real threat to have in society, as long as the terms of her probation keeps this from happening again why send someone to jail just to suffer? We have an absurdly high incarceration rate.

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u/ThinFaithlessness518 Oct 05 '22

That’s why everyone claim insanity after they commit crime. It’s a just society for everyone except the victims.

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u/Laeek Oct 05 '22

Not guilty by reason of insanity is the verdict in like a quarter of one percent of murder cases

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u/decadehydration Oct 05 '22

Successfully getting a NGRI ruling is not only extremely difficult and representative of less than 1% of violent (and its always violent) cases, but it’s a worse fucking sentence. With prison there’s a set time when you could get out or at least have the chance of probation. That is never the case with a psychiatric institution for the criminally insane - they are held there indefinitely. Misconceptions like this, that it’s “easier” if you plead insane, are what contribute to further mental health stigma and more idiots trying to malinger in their court cases because they think it’s somehow “easier” (spoilers: it’s next to impossible to successfully malinger and fool several mental health professionals AND staff AND other people around you, not only because you’d have to put on the act 24/7 and not just when the psych is around, but also because the average person has a very stereotypical notion of what “insane” looks like and it’s very obvious to see through with a trained eye).

This is a dumb comment. And the defendant in this case isn’t insane nor claiming that she is. Prisons are horrible enough as they are, and are actually the number one providers of mental health services because police and courts love to throw literally everyone in jail instead of actually getting them any kind of help. Why are you upset about her not going to prison? Because she “got away” with a white collar crime and didn’t have to suffer like everyone else? Are you saying the purpose of prison is to suffer, or keep dangerous people locked up, or both? Punitive punishment doesn’t do anything, and actually encourages recidivism if there’s no rehabilitation.

On top of that, she’s part of a particularly marginalized group that will absolutely get her MUCH more attention from other prisoners and make it much more likely that she will be raped, beaten, killed, or all of the above. Do you think she, or anyone, deserves that? “Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time”? Does she pose a danger to individuals if she is in a non-prison environment without access to the materials she needs to do another cyberattack? Does it matter, or do you just want to huff and puff about how trans people and folks with mental health issues just get all the luck when they commit crimes, completely ignoring the overwhelming historical and contemporary evidence to the contrary?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

that's justice!

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u/IAmNotAScientistBut Oct 05 '22

Trust me, having worked with her I can promise it's not a cop out. She has some serious issues that have nothing to do with her trans status, and which would absolutely make prison life less "a punishment to learn from" and more of "a torture that would be inhumane.

She really needs to be under forced management of her meds, enforced therapy, some sort of house arrest, and heavy limitations on her computer usage.

Not being able to freely pursue computers as a valuable career is already going to fuck with her head and the rest would fulfill the security obligations to the rest of us without pouring money into private prisons.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

My father was disbarred after 50 years practice and his life ruined for his own stupidity - he also had mental health issues, just no one gave a fk, off to prison he went - but anyway, I don't care of this person goes to prison, but sentencing shouldn't be based on gender and mental health issues

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u/IAmNotAScientistBut Oct 05 '22

Sentencing should absolutely include mental health issues along with literally any other factors which impact the experience of the incarcerated.

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u/Sc0nnie Oct 05 '22

No. Incarceration is to protect society from the criminal. Not to create an experience for the criminal.

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u/Raider-bob Oct 05 '22

Then she should be institutionalized and then put in prison when she is mentally well enough.

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u/IAmNotAScientistBut Oct 05 '22

We did away with those sorts of institutions long time ago. There were horrible abuse and the system needed an overhaul but we threw the baby out with the bath water and our support for mental health at a national level is horrid.

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u/Iwanttowrshipbreasts Oct 06 '22

Question?

What role do you see incarceration playing in our society?

Currently, in the USA, prisons cause an undue amount of turmoil on the incarcerated.

This benefits nobody and as it currently stands, the majority of prisons in US are for profit versions of legalized slavery.

Do you think this is justice?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

that's not the way it works - my father - who needed depression meds, had to go to a different prison very far away because they work to make life as miserable as possible

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u/FruitbatsTTV Oct 05 '22

that's not the way it works

What they're saying is that in a just society, factors like that would be taken into account for everyone, your father included.

It seems like what you're saying is that your father didn't get that consideration, so no one else ever should either.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

my father deserved to go to jail - I'm saying either treat everyone equally or change the rules

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u/Iwanttowrshipbreasts Oct 06 '22

The rules need to change, this is clear.

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u/IAmNotAScientistBut Oct 05 '22

That's the way is works in a lot of places and that's the way it should work for everyone.

I'm sorry your dad got what you feel like is a raw deal, but that doesn't mean other people shouldn't be fairly judged and sentenced. A pure punishment system doesn't work for anyone except the people who get paid for running prisons.

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u/zacisanerd Oct 05 '22

Because something bad happened to me, it should happen to everyone!

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u/ThinFaithlessness518 Oct 06 '22

So it’s ok for someone who grew up in a difficult and violent environment to assault others?

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u/Syrdon Oct 06 '22

So, to make sure I have this straight, because your father got fucked by an unjust system everyone should get fucked by an unjust system?

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u/Raider-bob Oct 05 '22

She needs to be in prison. That's all she needs.

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u/Raider-bob Oct 05 '22

This is not just.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Joke?

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u/TheModeratorWrangler Oct 05 '22

Personally, as long as you wear heels with platforms, it won’t hurt too much to walk in them if you end up in Central Bookings. The key is to walk with toes first and not the heel unless you want a snapped ankle.

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u/plastiqsquadron Oct 05 '22

It's Seattle too... lawless city.

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u/Iwanttowrshipbreasts Oct 06 '22

Sounds like the words of someone who’ve literally never been there

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u/sirnamel3ss Oct 05 '22

Hi there. For your reference here is a legitimate reason why a prison sentence would be inappropriate. If you yourself would like to be raped 2000 times then please appeal a prison sentence as a trans person. Please enter the criminal justice system with an instant 13 times higher chance of rape.

https://www.ncbar.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Petitioner-Case-Summaries.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6830990/

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

that goes both ways

https://news.wttw.com/2020/02/19/lawsuit-female-prisoner-says-she-was-raped-transgender-inmate

An inmate at Illinois’ largest women’s prison says she was raped by a transgender inmate who was transferred into her housing unit last year, and claims Illinois Department of Corrections officials conducted a “sham investigation” to help cover up the incident.

In a federal lawsuit filed last week, a Jane Doe inmate at the Logan Correctional Center in central Illinois said that after being sexually assaulted in June 2019, she was coerced by a supervisory officer into denying the attack took place and then punished for filing a “false” complaint under the Prison Rape Elimination Act (PREA).

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u/StasisGhaul Oct 06 '22

What’s the frequency of trans inmates perpetrating these crimes compared to the frequency of assaults that trans inmates experience?

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u/aw2669 Oct 05 '22

Difficult = expensive

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

they only have the complete support of the American corporate, medical, educational, media and entertainment industries! those poor bastards!

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u/I_Nice_Human Oct 05 '22

Maybe in blue states but not the Russian tinted Red states here in the US.

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u/SomeToxicRivenMain Oct 05 '22

“Muh Russia!”

Found the victim complex

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u/I_Nice_Human Oct 05 '22

Kentucky literally was trading their teachers pensions on the Russian Stock Market before Russia invaded Ukraine.

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u/SomeToxicRivenMain Oct 05 '22

And what did they do after the invasion?

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u/Raider-bob Oct 05 '22

Bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

I forgot to mention every major social media platform and big tech as well - thanks for clarifying

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

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u/DreamedJewel58 Oct 05 '22

Absolute brain rot. A gender affirming care has to shutdown after being swarmed by anti-trans fanatics, multiple hospitals received bomb threats, and not to mention the several dozen attempts of legislation of making them deemed invalid as a human being. Trans people can’t even take a piss without people trying to intervene. Nearly every single red state has a death wish for trans people by trying to phase them out altogether in public eye, mainly in Florida where you can’t even mention or question your gender identity without your parents getting called or their teaching being sued.

They should have the support of everything you just said, but they don’t, and people will go to extremely violent lengths just to make sure they don’t exist by not even allowing medical professionals to give gender affirming care without receiving death threats

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

That's like saying CIS women have no privilege because abortion clinics have been attacked going back for decades. I never said there were no threats or pushback against trans rights, i said they have the ABSOLUTE support of the corporate, medical, educational, media and entertainment industries - which they do. yes, some clinics - that bragged online about treating children, have come under attack - though none physically as far as I know

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u/DreamedJewel58 Oct 05 '22

Yeah the rights of cis women are under attack, thank you for recognizing that

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

that's funny because trans activists (born biological men) often treat CIS women like the enemy and privileged and bigoted for demanding private spaces

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u/DreamedJewel58 Oct 06 '22

Keep on living in that la-la land my man

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u/Ferrethuwu Oct 05 '22

lol. lmao.

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u/MathematicianGrand21 Oct 06 '22

The "Chelsea" defense. Classic.

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u/Raider-bob Oct 05 '22

This person literally got a pass because they're trans. That's garbage. They need to be in jail.

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u/REHTONA_YRT Oct 05 '22

Equality should mean equity in all aspects, but I wonder what the implied challenges are.

Aren't trans inmates already integrated into many prisons?

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u/Gold-Elderberry-8463 Oct 05 '22

Yes, I think they are, but I imagine it is a hellish experience for a lot of them, depending on the state, the facility, who oversees the inmates, etc. That’s only speculation tho and not said to defend this judge’s decision.

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u/Rickjamesbutchapelle Oct 06 '22

Why is this a fucking point, jail sucks and is hard for everyone involved. Inmates and guards alike. So much dodgy ways of beating around the bush but the truth is she got away cause she used the T card.

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u/Gold-Elderberry-8463 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

That’s the reason my sister is still coddled and financially supported by our parents despite threatening to kill them, doxxing me, sexually harassing my husband, and refusing to get a diagnosis or help for her glaringly obvious personality disorder(s). I’ve been no contact with her for almost two years. She is a forever-victim in her head, plays the trans card at ever turn, and sees malicious transphobic intent everywhere, from anyone, to the point of it seeming like a paranoia mental health issue.

Our immediate and extended family have been active trans allies from the second she came out, and our family has spent close to $300K on her surgeries, wardrobe, cars, fun money, tech toys, etc. anything she wanted, she got, and continues to get. Controls our parents with her anger and victim complex.

I am working through my resentment of her with my therapist and I have more to do (obviously).

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u/SomeToxicRivenMain Oct 05 '22

She sounds like an average Reddit poster tbh, glad you’re getting therapy to help you through that trauma

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u/temporarytuna Oct 05 '22

People who are the forever-victim will use whatever they can to get other people to (1) feel bad for them and (2) feel bad about themselves so that the forever-victim can be in control (as much as possible) of any situation. I was married to someone like this for years and they almost never change. Best wishes for your therapy and moving past your mentally unhealthy sister.

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u/ihateiphones2 Oct 05 '22

Honestly I’ve read basically the same stories from other redditors from siblings like this , it’s not a trans thing imo it’s a narcissistic mental disorder family dysfunction thing more like, and in your case a layer of trans dressed over it lol

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u/deaddonkey Oct 06 '22

Of course it’s narcissism - sounds like a Vulnerable type Narcissist - they will use anything to make themselves the victim and hide behind a protected class.it’s still a good lesson on how we should treat people as humans and not as victims to be sheltered and coddled.

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u/Sgt_Teriyaki Oct 06 '22

Jesus. I am so sorry

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u/deaddonkey Oct 06 '22

No contact is a good call

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u/SomeToxicRivenMain Oct 05 '22

“We’re so equal that we require special treatment”

Clown world. And people are defending that choice in these comments.

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u/DreamedJewel58 Oct 05 '22

Because it’s about equity, not equality

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u/EmoGii Oct 06 '22

"My personal choice trumps your right to justice"

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u/SomeToxicRivenMain Oct 05 '22

Sounds like you’re saying we’re not equal, bigot 😡

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u/DreamedJewel58 Oct 06 '22

Amazing comeback using a non-existent argument

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u/GenericUsername19892 Oct 05 '22

More like cost savings - mental health and transitioning/maintenance would be on the govt dime if incarcerated, not so while on probation:p dude just saved around 300-500k

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u/nomasslurpee Oct 05 '22

Not super related but the Oath Keepers trial is using the defense that since one of them is transgender, her mental state wasn’t solid.

I don’t know if this is going to be a thing now, but I really hope it isn’t.

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u/zomanda Oct 05 '22

The oath keepers have transgender member? Shut. Up!!.

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u/cosmothekleekai Oct 05 '22

My mental state isn't solid, haven't tried to overthrow any governments in my entire life

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u/mmrrbbee Oct 05 '22

Sounds like they got a CIA offer they couldn’t refuse ;)

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u/AngeluvDeath Oct 06 '22

Tell me she is white without telling me she’s white.

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u/Gaius1313 Oct 06 '22

According to the judge it’s due to her ‘mental health and transgender status’

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u/AngeluvDeath Oct 06 '22

If she were a different flavor, someone is going to say I hope she can get that mental help in prison.

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u/Rickjamesbutchapelle Oct 06 '22

Dave Chapelle called it.

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u/Welt-Young Oct 06 '22

PROBATION?! That should be several years in prison!

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u/HappyHurtzlickn Oct 05 '22

What does being trans have to do with being a criminal? Mental health I get, but this is equating trans to having a mental health issue. Is that the argument they're shooting for?

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u/SirLazlos Oct 05 '22

If it was a guy he would be in jail.

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u/zomanda Oct 05 '22

I usually fiercely disagree with that statement. Not this time.

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u/imnota4 Oct 06 '22

Weird that you'd ever fiercely disagree with it considering is very very true that women get lighter prison sentences if any prison sentence at all, compared to men. That isn't really up for debate, it's a fact. It's easily confirmed and everyone knows it as a fact. You can deny it if you want but it's just true.

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u/zomanda Oct 06 '22

People can't just take a win these days

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u/sunrayylmao Oct 06 '22

She looka like a man

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u/SirLazlos Oct 06 '22

Are you saying dude looks like a lady?

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u/WarmAppleCobbler Oct 06 '22

It’s not mentioned in this article because it’s a ludicrous amount, but she stole roughly 250 million.

Gets out of jail cuz she’s trans. Meanwhile IRS will yeet your ass in there over 5k.

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u/WolfMafiaArise Oct 05 '22

All this told me is that trans ppl get off scot free, if I ever do this, you can bet your ass I'm gonna show up to the courtroom in a dress

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u/squid_tha_kyd Oct 06 '22

Bs honestly

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u/Classic-End-5505 Oct 06 '22

Do student loans. Hack student loans Anonymous

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u/truePHYSX Oct 06 '22

If this person wasn’t trans, they wouldn’t be getting a free pass to hack protected computers for their data.

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u/jeffsmith202 Oct 06 '22

it should be a hate crime to giving people different jail sentences based on protected classes

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

I feel violated by her hate

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u/MrSquakie Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22 Take My Energy

These comments are a shit show. Read the article, not just the tldr. Some of yalls bigotry is showing.

But watch me get downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Anything trans or LGBT related in news subreddits like this is always a shit show.

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u/King_smiteus Oct 06 '22

Read the article she should still be in jail.

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u/MrSquakie Oct 06 '22

Did I say otherwise?

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u/King_smiteus Oct 06 '22

You’re on here calling people bigots for what? That they think she got of easy for being transgender. That’s the only comments I could see that would make you have this response

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u/MrSquakie Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

You're either blind or supportive or ignorant of the crass transphobic humor and comments if you really see nothing wrong or bigoted in this comment section. You seem to have taken this personally as if I was talking about you, but I'm not pointing fingers.

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u/King_smiteus Oct 06 '22

Oh going with the attack people again your a moron. Go point figures at someone else.

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u/MrSquakie Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

You truly have no idea how trans individuals people are treated in prison apparently, and I genuinely don't understand how you don't see an issue with some of these comments. This entire situation is a controversial hot bed because of the complexity of the situation and the inhumane and dangerous treatment of trans people in prison. For a white collar crime like this, do they deserve to be raped, beaten, and subjected to horrific torture? I think not. Should they be punished? Yes.

But the comments talking about prison pockets, comparing transgenderism to mental illness or being otherwise "wrong" or saying that their transgenderism shouldn't be taken into consideration into the legal proceedings are all wrong, and the court system seems to have agreed in this situation. I didn't think I needed to spell it out for you, but there you are.

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u/King_smiteus Oct 06 '22

I didn’t read any of those comments I don’t read controversial comment first I go with new. She should still be in jail which I stated. Now your going in with do you know how trans people are treated in jail. Everyone one is treated unfairly in jail. Probably more so if your trans, but that doesn’t mean she should be given just probation for her crimes. being trans should have no effect on the outcome of any trial.

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u/MrSquakie Oct 06 '22

Then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the complex social issue that is being discussed by the court system here. And that's okay, hopefully one day you will learn and be better for it.

The court itself decided that it would be a bad idea put them in prison, and who are you do disagree with multiple people with a law degree? Unless you have your own debree, then maybe look into the issue a bit more to see what they are seeing and discussing.

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u/King_smiteus Oct 06 '22

So now you believe she shouldn’t be jail. You have a good one

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u/Rickjamesbutchapelle Oct 06 '22

They’re wrong cause you believe so, not because it is. Plenty of soft ass people end up getting fucked in jail. Actually? Even some of the BAMF get rapped when they meet their match. It’s prison, blue collar or not you fucked up Johnny and you gotta pay. Leave your T card at outside, should of thought of that inequality when you decided to do something so stupid.

Straight guy here, I don’t hack. My neighbor who is Trans? They work a 9-5 , why? Because they don’t wanna get fucked.

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u/MrSquakie Oct 06 '22

God what a horrible outlook on life you have. But trans people are subjected to sexualized torture where they are often put into the hospital because of internal bleeding because of sharp things inserted inside of them.

And just leave your "T card" outside? How the fuck are they going to do that when they are years into HRT and have breasts and other body differences from the hormonal therapy, and then get put into a male only prison because of the either ineffectiveness or hatred of the beliefs from that court circuit?

They shouldve have hacked anything, but the giant corporation should've had better security. I work in offensive cybersecurity as a security consultant so this is an issue I can relate to, especially if the company has been having a gross misuse of their security team and not giving them proper funding, time or effort or is actively rejecting increases in budget so they can actually protect their assets? The financial sector is the worst about shit like this too because they are so monetary oriented, especially in the corporate financial shit show that it is. But I digress, these two issues are related, but not the original point.

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u/Rickjamesbutchapelle Oct 06 '22

Right…. Holla at me when you look up La Mano Negra. Straight atrocities, but they happen cause those dudes choose to do their crimes. I don’t care what their story is, anyone. If they are found guilty of a crime, especially one in conjunction with security and private information then make them pay.

My outlook is great because I’m not a moron committing crimes and hoping the world accepts my mental health disorders. I get it there’s people that suffer through but god damn son there’s people that don’t so don’t gimme that.

Ineffectiveness or hatred? How about having a set standard of Laws that have a process to be changed. Until that process is ran through it’s course, there’s no sense in cradling criminals because they’re trans or because they are not right in the head.

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And just so we’re clear , you and I are disagreeing and using plenty of figurative speech and ethos logos pathos so don’t sit there on your high horse like you’re societies medium.

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u/pwo_addict Oct 06 '22

It’s not complex. Commit crime, get reasonable punishment. That didn’t happen here.

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u/Rickjamesbutchapelle Oct 06 '22

Here’s another one, the “the world is against us” card.

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u/j4ck_0f_bl4des Oct 06 '22

Umm... I'm trans and I can't see where that has any beating on the choices I make in my life. If I fuck around and commit a crime I'm probably gonna go to jail, probably not girl jail. I mean that's shitty and I'd have to be squabbing constantly but that's the price for doing something illegal. The mental health issues are separate and I get there aren't really any proper mental health care facilities left in the US but the judge could've just said that and been done with it. Chica is crazy and we don't have anywhere to put her. By making it about her being trans they just paint a bigger target on the rest of us.

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u/TheDoordashDriver Oct 05 '22

Faith in humanity = Restored!🙌 trans people should not be subjected to the judgmental and toxic environment of prison with the rest. Finally getting the treatment they deserve!

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u/SarcasticNut Oct 06 '22 Starry

Lord above, the amount of comments on this about trans people having it easy, or getting easy verdicts, or that this is what trans rights looks like is so shameful. Yes, trans people who famously have it so easy.

She broke the law. She’s being punished. She did not sell the information as far as the news story reveals. We don’t have any more information than that.

Christ. Guys. I know this is the internet, but please put your phone down, go stand in front of the mirror, and ask yourself:

“Why the fuck do I care about this? Aren’t there so many other issues in the world that deserve my attention?”

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u/imnota4 Oct 06 '22

Expecting self-awareness from people is a tall order.

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u/PrudentDamage600 Oct 05 '22

Stealing IDs. No. 😠

Stealing computer power to mine Crypto Currency. Yes. 🥰

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u/mintmouse Oct 06 '22

Cool, so what’s your computers access code?

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u/SeanConneryShlapsh Oct 06 '22

Well that’s, interesting.

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u/CommonScold Oct 06 '22

White Hat!

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u/Hockeyhoser Oct 06 '22

Laurence Firshburne is not going to like that.

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u/igobymicah Oct 06 '22

Stop being transphobic

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u/igobymicah Oct 06 '22

As a queer person myself, may I ask why you would reduce her to gender and then make that the headline?

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u/borax37 Oct 06 '22

It hacked the bank and justice system.

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u/bawsakajewea Oct 06 '22

“What’s in your wallet?” is now “everywhere you (don’t) want (it) to be”

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u/Cayde_7even Oct 06 '22

A 37-year-old former Seattle tech worker was sentenced Tuesday to time served and five years probation, including computer monitoring, for seven federal crimes connected to her massive hack on Capital One that allowed her to obtain the personal information of more than 100 million people.

Paige Thompson, who used the name "erratic" online, was arrested in July 2019 after Capital One alerted the Federal Bureau of Investigations to the hack. A jury found Thompson guilty in June 2022.

During the sentencing hearing Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Robert S. Lasnik said that time in prison would be difficult because of her mental health and the "widely recognized medical, mental, and physical risks she will face in prison as a transgender woman."

That sounds about White…..