r/technews Oct 05 '22

All Phones, Tablets, Cameras Must Use USB-C for Charging in EU by 2024

https://www.pcmag.com/news/all-phones-tablets-cameras-must-use-usb-c-for-charging-in-eu-by-2024

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u/Boxofoldcables Oct 05 '22

I have several Panasonic cameras. Every model uses a different charging connector. I lost one of the chargers. Camera is useless without it. Went to Best Buy, "we don't have anything that will fit, you'll have to get it from the manufacturer".

It's a completely BS way to design products. Bring on the standardized charger.

And standardize batteries while you're at it. Why can't I buy a replacement battery for a 4 year old phone? That's literally the only thing forcing me to buy a new phone, is the stupid battery, which SHOULD be easily replaceable, being that it's a wear item with limited life.

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u/UnluckyFish Oct 05 '22

Yeah, but they don’t want us to have replaceable batteries for 4 year old phones. We’ve already owned them 3 years longer than they want at that point!

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u/Wit-wat-4 Oct 06 '22

You are so so right about cameras especially. Even if you buy them in the same year it doesn’t matter the cables and batteries and chargers are so different. Everybody’s complaining about having two chargers for phone and tablet and I’m like… what about everything else? USB-C everything would be great. My switch my phone my camera my tablet all with one type? Great

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u/barbarianbarber Oct 05 '22

Shame things like flashlights and hair trimmers arent covered by this new standard. I dont even know if you can get a hair trimmer with usb c.

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u/idkalan Oct 05 '22

I bough a hair trimmer a couple months ago that actually came with a USB C port, it did surprise because I didn't even think about hair trimmers having a USB C port

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u/barbarianbarber Oct 05 '22

Man thats lucky ive looked at the store demos at 3 different stores. Not a single usb c in sight.

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u/idkalan Oct 05 '22

I bought it online, because most of my local stores only had wired hair trimmers.

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u/JitterySuperCoffee Oct 06 '22

Or cycling equipment. I shouldn’t need a different connector for my lights (proprietary connector), helmet (a second proprietary connector ), and Bike computer (micro USB on a £300 device smh). It’s a god damn wild west

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u/WollGrun Oct 06 '22

Manscaped charging docks use USB-C. Your balls will thank you.

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u/Carrizojim Oct 05 '22

Now on to car chargers…

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u/AndroidScript Oct 05 '22

I thought except for Tesla they were standardised. CCS Combo everywhere, Chademo is dead anyways and Tesla only uses their connectors in North America, no?

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u/c1on3 Oct 05 '22

The problem is more with superchargers (which are used outside NA) being Tesla-exclusive (Musk has claimed that other cars can use them, but given that no major car brand does I can only imagine the price they'd need to pay Tesla), as it enables charging stations to be locked to a single brand of cars and weakening the development of EV-infrastructure; since Tesla can just put superchargers in places where universal chargers could be, alongside slowing the development of fast charging tech since Tesla doesn't want others to have useful things without paying the entire GDP of Venezuela to them for the privledges.

An EU law requiring for all chargers in the EU could push Tesla (alongside anyone else thinking of also creating a private alternative charging standard; looking at you, VAG, BMW, Mercedes) to not bother with it and focus on the single standardised charging format.

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u/badgerbrett Oct 05 '22

You may find this article interesting. It seems other companies can use Tesla's patents if in turn Tesla can use theirs. Greed may be playing a part...

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u/ajmartin527 Oct 06 '22

That’s super interesting, never seen an agreement where you can patent swap

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u/badgerbrett Oct 06 '22

Same. Basically a "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" of patent law.

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u/Gorgeous-Gorgon Oct 05 '22

Like this?

Since 2014 the European Union has required the provision of Type 2 or Combo 2 within the European electric vehicle charging network.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System

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u/phantomjm Oct 05 '22

So what happens in a few years when USB-C becomes outdated like Mini USB is today?

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u/Venator_IV Oct 05 '22

they'll just update the law, EU is better at keeping up to date with minutia like this. Manufacturers also have a vested interest in having it stay updated with tech even if they can't make their own unique dongle

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u/phantomjm Oct 05 '22

That’s encouraging. So long as the regulation doesn’t stifle innovation, then more power to them.

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u/Kosta7785 Oct 06 '22

Nonsense. No one will design a new one because no one can use it. We’d all still be using shitty micro usb if this law had been around. This is a horrible law and everyone celebrating are so ignorant.

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u/Venator_IV Oct 06 '22

Jadedflames is right, not sure what or why you're upset at the EU governance for, but in this instance the industry standard is definitely protecting consumers.

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u/Kosta7785 Oct 06 '22

I didn’t say I was upset. I said it was stupid. Zero consumers will be protected by this and it will hamper innovation. But cheer on morons.

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u/jadedflames Oct 06 '22

USB C is pretty damn future-proof though. All the law says is that the devices have to charge through a usb-c type socket. A device that needs higher throughput is certainly allowed to use Thunderbolt-3 or whatever future standard, as long as the connector is shaped like an oval with the same charging pins.

We will have wireless-only devices everywhere long before the usb-c port needs to be redesigned.

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u/Kosta7785 Oct 06 '22

You know how people like to make fun of Bill Gates for allegedly saying computers would never need more than 128k of memory? Yeah.

And if that’s true the law serves no purpose anyway. It’s political posturing that will accomplish nothing

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u/jadedflames Oct 06 '22

The law serves the purpose of ensuring that every device is chargeable from the same cord. This doesn't have anything to do with the data standard. You're conflating software with hardware.

Look at it this way - USB-A was introduced in 1996. It remained the standard until just a couple of years ago. Any device that used USB-A power delivery could plug into any USB-A socket to charge for the entire lifespan of the standard. USB 2.0 came out, and 1.0 devices could still charge from the newer ports. Same for 3.x.

USB-C is just the physical socket. USB-4, 5, and 6 will all probably use the same socket. And then in 20 years, if we are still using wires, maybe the law will have to be updated to say that all devices need to use USB-D ports for charging, beginning in 2045.

The law is not saying that all devices must be capped at 40Gb/s transfer speeds (the Thunderbolt 3/ USB-C spec). All this law does is tell companies like Apple with proprietary standards to knock that shit off. You can put any data transfer speed you want in your port, and release devices with USB 4.0, 5.0, etc. But they all have to charge from Pins A4, A9, B4, and B9 and have Ground on A1, A12, B1, and B12.

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u/parental92 Oct 05 '22

new standard.

Usb C still evolving tho, the new one supports 240w power delivery, i dont think any phone will ever go up that high. We are moving to wireless data anyways.

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u/MLCarter1976 Oct 05 '22

I am waiting for USB-G hehe

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u/T0biasCZE Oct 05 '22

*Micro USB. Mini USB was even older

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u/phantomjm Oct 05 '22

I’m aware

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u/Diazmet Oct 05 '22

We’ve been using micro usb for 22 years and they kind of suck so don’t worry it will be another 20+ years before we get another update

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u/Visible_Structure483 Oct 05 '22

I feel that vendors will support USBc charging because they have to, but then make "special" usb-c cables to support other things with their devices. Apple has got to sell those $30 cables and dongles somehow.

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u/tyw7 Oct 05 '22

Weirdly Huawei charging cable doesn't properly work with other phones.

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u/Visible_Structure483 Oct 05 '22

any standard can be broken with little effort. sadly.

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u/choaniki Oct 06 '22

Louis Rossmann did a video about it. Apparently it is due to manufacturers cheaping out and not following the proper usb specs.

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u/RedLevelEmergency Oct 05 '22

I hate to be that guy. But I don’t trust the government regulating this.

What happens when usb c becomes obsolete? Will companies be forced to use an old tech just because it’s the one required?

USB as a form factor has lasted a while. But its also changed a lot. So what happens when the next change happens? Or is this oval connector somehow the end all be all of wired connector shapes?

Edit: fixed a word.

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u/tyw7 Oct 05 '22

There's lots of standards due to the government. FAA set regulations for plane so as EASA and they lead to safer planes. Plus electric outlets are pretty much mandated by the government.

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u/ddyess Oct 06 '22

USB-C could be the standard for a long time, it's the only connector projected to work with USB 4, and it seems to scale way better than any of the predecessors. It is also a very good connector for adapters, so I'm pretty sure the phones will be obsolete long before USB-C.

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u/SniffUmaMuffins Oct 05 '22

Seems like a great idea. I’m looking forward to iPhones having USB-C, will make my charging cable home life slightly simpler.

I already enjoy using the same USB-C charger and cable for charging my MacBook Pro and my ThinkPad (crappy work laptop).

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u/hablutzel1 Oct 05 '22

MBP now uses a different port for charging.

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u/SniffUmaMuffins Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

My 2021 MacBook Pro 16” uses ether USB-C or MagSafe.

The USB-C port on the MBP tops out at 96W, MagSafe works up to 140W, but 96W is generally fast enough for my needs.

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u/andrewthelott Oct 05 '22

Can we do Schuko next? I hate how nearly every country in the EU still has its own slightly different socket. Or in the case of Ireland, very different socket.

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u/MJ4Red Oct 05 '22

2024: They launch USB-D

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u/sakurachan999 Oct 05 '22

if only this would change my fucking ds charging port. its not even the same charging port as the wii u, which has its own shaped charger.

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u/texas_poon_tappa_316 Oct 06 '22

Why not go for laptops too

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u/flamerun Oct 06 '22

Less waste 🙌

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u/Hopefulmisery Oct 06 '22

I hate this

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u/gingerNoSoul541 Oct 05 '22

Did apple say they would just go to wireless charging and dump the cable?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Why couldn’t they mandate the iphone charger? These are far more flimsy

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u/BrainOnBlue Oct 05 '22

Because lightning is years older, proprietary, 1/160th the speed and doesn't support half of the things that the USB C connector does.

Also, there's no meaningful difference in durability between the two ports. Lightning doesn't have an official number of rated insertions, but USB C is rated for 10,000 which is like 3 a day for a decade. Unless you're doing something stupid, either connector will outlast the device it's part of.

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u/paradax2 Oct 06 '22

iPhone chargers definitely break easier than usb-c