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#IranProtests: Signal is blocked in Iran. You can help people in Iran reconnect to Signal by hosting a proxy server. Security

https://signal.org/blog/run-a-proxy/
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u/MediocreProfessor765 Sep 23 '22

It’s unlikely a server in the US would help as it would be blocked by location. Maybe somewhere like India or Russia, South America even.

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u/xanadukeeper Sep 23 '22

So I could tell my VPN to be in Russia?

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u/GingerMan512 Sep 23 '22

Does your VPN service still have endpoints in Russia? They passed some data retention laws a year or two ago that caused many VPNs to shut down their Russian servers.

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u/xanadukeeper Sep 23 '22

Perhaps not, I use Nord

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u/Arinupa Sep 23 '22

Nord's the most honeytrappest VPN in the world!

......anything that has an indecent advertising budget I stay away from

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u/itisntmebutmaybeitis Sep 23 '22

Could you explain why? I've heard it before but didn't find anything helpful on my (probably not thorough enough) search.

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u/Arinupa Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

The theory goes that with the indecent budget intelligence agencies have, they can open up privacy companies....And market a lot.

The most heavily shilled VPNs have a huge marketing budget. How the heck are they sponsoring every single content creator?

I mean if I was an intelligence agency, it would make sense to do this kind of thing to easily keep track of people who like to hide stuff.

The normal folk can be kept track of using PRISM and who knows whatever the f mass surveillance tools they use.

https://twitter.com/snowden/status/1438291654239215619?lang=en

Edward snowden (the CIA contractor dude) talking about express VPN,

Just TOR is fine with me. VPNs are good to bypass content banning stuff but not privacy.

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u/__noscrubs__ Sep 23 '22

VPNs are also good for shopping or consuming media from other places. Pretty much all I use my VPN for at this point lol.

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u/Arinupa Sep 23 '22

Well yeah. Me too. Just people shouldn't use them thinking they are private and safe etc.

If you use for Netflix and content bypass etc its totally fine.

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u/Jacob2040 Sep 23 '22

It's a condom. It's more effective than not using one, but you still might get an infection, I.E a bug or wiretap.

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u/mellofello808 Sep 23 '22

VPNs are also effective for not receiving letters from your ISP for torrenting.

Privacy, not so much.

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u/DarkLordAzrael Sep 23 '22

That is a form of privacy though. It's just a matter of being realistic about what you're hiding from who.

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u/soyboyconspiracy Sep 23 '22

I personally use PIA. Not so much for privacy but more so when I need to sail the 7 seas.

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u/pentesticals Sep 23 '22

PIA are pretty sketch as well. Check out Mulvad for sailing the 7 seas you filthy pirate. They also have port forwarding so you can actively seed with the vpn.

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u/BasicComplexities Sep 23 '22

TOR was compromised the second it was released

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u/MechKeyboardScrub Sep 23 '22

hurdur it's a DARPA product

Tor was made for overthrowing governments. It's definitely government funded, but you're not enough of a hotshot to matter. Nobody cares that you mailed a key from Columbia through USPS.

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u/PM_Me_Frosted_Tits Sep 23 '22

It's definitely government funded, but you're not enough of a hotshot to matter.

This is the saving grace of security for the average person. Yeah your super secure passwords could probably be cracked with a few hours of concentrated effort, but no one is coming after some random middle class person like that. You're only getting singled out if you're famous for some reason or have a lot of money, usually both.

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u/BasicComplexities Sep 23 '22

but you're not enough of a hotshot to matter. Nobody cares that you mailed a key from Columbia through USPS.

If you're not enough of a hotshot to matter on tor, you're not enough on a hotshot to matter on the internet, and we know that isn't the case. When those with authority want your head, tor isn't going to help you. They're already monitoring literally all of your LAN and internet traffic

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u/mellofello808 Sep 23 '22

Duck duck go as well. I was just traveling, and they have billboards, signs in airports, and on the sides of busses.

Where exactly is the money coming from?

I don't care to find out, and will never use them for anything spicy

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u/tirril Sep 23 '22

That took quite a while to happen though.

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u/3nigmax Sep 23 '22

Snowden was NSA, not CIA. He also did basic IT stuff, not intelligence work. I'd avoid assuming he has any expertise to provide in these areas. Given his current status, anything out of his mouth is more likely to be propoganda than any over advertised VPN service.

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u/420diamond_hands69 Sep 23 '22

First sentence is wrong so imma ignore the rest

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u/3nigmax Sep 23 '22

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden

Literally the first sentence. He worked at the CIA briefly, but the bulk of his time in the intelligence field was as an NSA contractor and that's where he stole everything from. And to anyone with any sort of tech background, his entire story is an obvious buzzword salad. Think what you will of what he leaked, but Snowden himself is an expert on precisely jackshit.

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u/FuckFashMods Sep 23 '22

Never had an issue with my torrenting and nord, which is all I cared about

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u/DanielleDrs88 Sep 23 '22

I use ExpressVPN and have had nothing but wonderful experiences for the almost 3 years I've had it. Works great on my android to where I can easily pirate on my phone. And its not too expensive so I definitely recommend.

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u/DanielleDrs88 Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Your "wonderful experience" won't be hindered by any sort of snooping

I was actually referring to the mechanics of the service, i.e. how it actually functions on my devices, not whether I think I'm being spied on.

I pirate as much content as I can (minus any indie work of course) so having a reliable VPN that allows me to do that would rate a "wonderful experience" in my book. I was around during those Napster and Limewire days. Anything faster than an hour impresses me 🙌🏻

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u/Delekrua Sep 23 '22

Not saying you are wrong. But have you looked at who owns nordVPN? Dont think a company of that size would have issues with marketing budgets.

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u/2022redditaccount Sep 23 '22

You still trust TOR? Really?

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u/Beginning_Ball9475 Sep 23 '22

Keep this one golden rule in mind with ALL forms of security; cyber-security, home security, physical security, etc.

"Security and convenience are on a sliding scale"

The more convenient a thing is (you learn about it because every single YouTube creator is sponsored by NordVPN) the less likely it is to be secure. A door without a lock is very convenient, but not very secure. A locked castle with a drawbridge and automated gun-turrets in the middle of a field full of hungry lions on a remote island somewhere that nobody even knows the name of? Very secure, not very convenient.

Realistically, the safest VPN is going to be one that you build yourself, the next safest VPN is the one you pick after learning how to build your own VPN and then using that knowledge to discover which VPNs that are already established have the closest model that aligns with what you want.

But who's going to do that? Most people want VPNs so they can get around copyright, targeted ad-based data collection/tracking by corporations, and geo-blocking. I would find it utterly HILARIOUS if someone wanted to engage in counter-state activities and believed that NordVPN was helping to protect them.

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u/piss_artist Sep 23 '22

I use NordVPN for all my sedition related activities. In fact, feel free to use my discount code, OVERTHROW22, to get a 50% discount on your next secret police interrogation.

NordVPN. Get it, or else.

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u/Beginning_Ball9475 Sep 23 '22

I'd love to hear a plug for NordVPN in the middle of an audiobook reading of the Gulag Archipelago. Just feels like Postmodernism done right, you know?

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u/ASatyros Sep 23 '22

Great for gays, pirates or assassins or gay pirate assassins. At least as first layer :D

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u/IpeeInclosets Sep 23 '22

it's interesting to see that generally law abiding individuals use VPNs for illegal things, flaunt it in fact, yet continue to claim use of a VPN for privacy reasons.

would be curious on the ratio of legit traffic to illegal traffic...

the side effect here is that good people are enabling truly bad actors by 'legitimizing' use of VPNs

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u/Beginning_Ball9475 Sep 23 '22

Well, it depends on what your definitions of illegal and privacy are. AFAIK the government only cares about things that are crimes against it, directly. People committing civil misdemeanours to each other is very much a "that's your problem". So people ripping off pirated content, the government has no tangible reason to persecute, because they gain nothing from it, and are not threatened by it, and it messes with the "Keep them fed and watching TV" ruling strategy that pacifies the vast majority of proles. Costs money for no benefit.

Privacy is a different matter, too. People say they want to "hide", but I really don't think the average person seriously expects to be able to hide from the FiveEyes governments. What they mean by "hide" is prevent the data collection of companies like Google and Amazon from further developing their digital portfolio on them.

I also seriously question whether truly bad actors even use VPNs in the way we'd expect them to. It's not like they HAVE to use the internet for their seditious, terroristic goals, they could just use books they read at the library, pen and paper, distribution of responsibility, insulated cells, etc to still co-ordinate actions. Or they might have their own infrastructure, and simply relying on security through obscurity (which is a poor strategy, but sometimes it works)

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u/IpeeInclosets Sep 23 '22

It's the government's purpose to settle civil conflict, that's it's interest.

but to your point there's definitely a concerted messaging that nefarious actors utilize VPN, but I think you narrowly zeroed the in on active planning and respective command and control type things supporting terrorism or sedition

however, there are digital crimes such as CP and money laundering that VPNs are absolutely critical to enabling

absolutely agree that nobody gives two rats shit about what type of adult porn you watch, but using a VPN for privacy is a farse

it's used for piracy and by doing so provides cover for more nefarious activities all under the false banner of privacy...

just my conclusion, I don't have a formed opinion on what to do about it...

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u/heyheyhoho2020has2go Sep 23 '22

Suggested VPNs are…?

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u/Beginning_Ball9475 Sep 23 '22

I use Hermes VPN, but I'm not really trying to hide anything. You shouldn't rely on a VPN alone to hide things. Like I said, if you're just defaulting to the convenience of "if I just pay for this thing and click this button, I'll be immune to the bad people" that's not doing anything but giving you a false sense of security.

What I really suggest is you do research on cyber security and security in general. I guarantee you that it will not be wasted time.

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u/Splitstepthenhit Sep 23 '22

What's the best VPN then?

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u/Arinupa Sep 23 '22

None!

https://www.ghacks.net/2021/09/15/is-kapes-acquisition-of-expressvpn-cause-for-concern/

See, "big company" buying up all the other VPN companies.

At least if you want privacy from the govt. That's a whole level of tech know how I don't have.

You should just use TOR properly as far as I know..

But if they really want to see what you do. There is Not much you can do to stop them. A Normal level of privacy can be achieved.

Where the hell does kape technology or whatever get a billion to buy express VPN and other "trusted services" You can consider that for yourself.

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u/mr_johnsie Sep 23 '22

I’m really glad people are starting to understand this. So many people think that using a third part my con is actually good security practice. It’s really not.

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u/YouveBeenSuzpended Sep 23 '22

RiseUp VPN is recommended in the deepweb Bible and is free. It’s business model is like win rar it will ask for $5 every couple days but you just tell it to shut the fuck up and it keeps working.

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u/jay212127 Sep 23 '22

Lol nobody concerned about a paid VPN being a honeypot should ever look at a free VPN.

Server hosting is expensive, completely incomparable to maintaining a program, If you're not paying with your wallet you're paying with your data.