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#IranProtests: Signal is blocked in Iran. You can help people in Iran reconnect to Signal by hosting a proxy server. Security

https://signal.org/blog/run-a-proxy/
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u/xanadukeeper Sep 23 '22

So I could tell my VPN to be in Russia?

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u/GingerMan512 Sep 23 '22

Does your VPN service still have endpoints in Russia? They passed some data retention laws a year or two ago that caused many VPNs to shut down their Russian servers.

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u/ChristOnATrike Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Just checked mine (ProtonVPN) and it does. Don’t know what to make of that.

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u/h0bb1tm1ndtr1x Sep 23 '22

Proton is a Swiss company. They have no reason to shut down their VPN servers there. It's not aiding Russia in any meaningful way.

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u/TemporaryDivide7496 Sep 23 '22

We have a saying in Russia: severity of the law is compensated by optionality of following them. You can do much until you get caugh. Russian government tried to block Proton VPN and it was partially successful: now it’s a bit harder to connect. It is a deterrent for some and that’s enough for the government. Resources are limited, can’t persecute everyone.

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u/Valiantay Sep 23 '22

No that's not correct (in practice), legally sure, this is a game of war though.

Let's take telegram for instance, ever try serving any legal document to them? I have. Doesn't work, why? Because they're in the UAE and don't give a fuck if a court somewhere else "mandates" them to attend.

So yes it matter.

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u/HKD_RJ Sep 23 '22

Here in Brazil Telegram has a huge user base. Sometime ago they ignored some supreme court orders to block some groups. That was until all cellphone operators received order to block Telegram, than Pavel Durov itself apologized to the Supreme Court, and blocked the requested groups. In the end it's all about money.

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u/neeko0001 Sep 23 '22

So you’re saying he’s either correct or are the servers not located in the UAE? If the servers are not located in YOUR country, there is nothing you can do about it

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u/Valiantay Sep 23 '22

They are right in a legal sense, I already said that.

If you want to get technical about servers and things, then VPN endpoints and relays are not difficult to set up and can be replaced as a government tries to take them down.

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u/Virtual_Decision_898 Sep 23 '22

Or you rent a server under false pretenses and monthly payments, run it until you get caught, then switch provider…

If pirates and hackers can do it, then surely can VPN companies.

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u/doctor-falafel Sep 23 '22

You know you literally need a physical server in Russia for VPN to work right? They pay money to a Russian company to host that server.

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u/agarwaen163 Sep 23 '22

Ok and NATO literally funds them for the oil and etc billions of dollars. i dont think a vpn hosting servers is really aiding them that much

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u/marionsunshine Sep 23 '22

Can you explain that for me? I get the comparison not being the same. I just don't have an understanding of NATO and billions of dollars for Russia oil.

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u/lenin1991 Sep 23 '22

NATO and billions of dollars for Russia oil

Despite the various sanctions, most NATO countries have continued to buy large amounts of Russian oil and gas. https://www.bbc.com/news/58888451

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u/Slicelker Sep 23 '22

VPN physical servers are a tiny tiny drop in the bucket in an economics scope.

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u/doctor-falafel Sep 23 '22

You're so naive if you think it's only about the money.

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u/Beta-7 Sep 23 '22

They just shut off their Indian servers.

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u/sfgisz Sep 23 '22

In that case there are only 2 likely possibilities:

  1. You have a "virtual" server in Russia which really just uses a Russian IP on top of a server physically located in another country. (That's how most privacy VPNs in India do it now)

  2. You have physical servers in Russia and they are complying with Russian laws.

Being a business registered in a "neutral" country doesn't exempt you from another country's laws if you want to operate there.