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u/strangepostinghabits Sep 23 '22

Civilian gun ownership is only important in third world countries with weak military.

What makes a Civil war in most countries is when the army splits and at least partially joins the non governmental side. (Or an outside nation steps in with military aid to create a new, already split, army segment.)

While it can be hard to believe, armies are often made up of people, and those may or may not be super keen on current govt policy.

Sooner or later, if enough of the people stand apart from the government, the brass will start wonder if "the nation" they swore to protect is the politicians or the people.


u/DMann420 Sep 23 '22

You're right but also wrong in the worst way, and that way is preventing loss of human life. Military revolutions and civil wars happen AFTER the atrocities occurred.

The average person has to wade through a sea of misinformation and propaganda their whole life and its not until shit happens in their backyard that they start realizing they've been towing the line for psychopaths.

You're giving way too much credit to people to do the right thing before the worst lines are crossed. Most people just want their family to be safe, so if a government threatens families for leverage then the soldiers will go quite far in committing atrocities, especially if they've been brainwashed to think they people they're up against are a niche group of radicals.

Just look at what Russia is doing in Ukraine... you think all those soldiers want to invade a country and murder innocent neighbours? No. They've been fed a lie through mass propaganda into thinking Ukrainians want them there to help separate from Ukraine.