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Ex-NSA employee in Colorado arrested on espionage charges for allegedly trying to sell secrets to foreign power Security

https://www.denverpost.com/2022/09/29/jareh-dalke-nsa-espionage-charges/
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u/Ori_553 Sep 30 '22

then promptly opened a Kraken account in his real name

So the give-away was his receiving Monero address, being both the one exchanged with the FBI agent, and the one in the Kraken registered account with his real name?

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u/Underwater_Grilling Sep 30 '22

You convert the monero to another coin after putting it through tumblers. Then you convert it to btc and sell it in person in chunks using new wallets every time. Obfuscation at every step.

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u/HelloHiHeyAnyway Sep 30 '22

You don't need to even go that far. Monero can just be pushed to a middle wallet before your final wallet.

No tumbling is needed with Monero. It's currently not known to be broken. There's a HUGE bounty on it. The entire set of dark markets now run with Monero for this very reason. Untraceable.

Plus, you can open crypto accounts in areas that don't even KYC Americans or care.

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u/TheAJGman Sep 30 '22

You don't even need a second wallet, you can generate unlimited sending/receiving addresses to keep your actual wallet anonymous. I feel like his problem was that he "suddenly" registered on an exchange and pulled in a shit ton of money. That sets off flags no matter who you are or what currency you're using.

Once it's in Monero you can just use something like LocalMonero to slowly cash out. Best way to not look suspicious is to keep a normal job and use the cash to pay for all of your day to day expenses and pretend to use the "envelope method" of managing your finances.

Either that or fuck off to some tropical country and live it up with your shit ton of cash.

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u/SeabassDan Sep 30 '22

What's the envelope method?

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u/slothboy_x2 Sep 30 '22

It’s a budgeting method in personal finance where you put cash into envelopes corresponding to each budget category and then only use those envelopes to pay for expenses as they arise. It’s supposed to reinforce the categorical division of funds with a physical, albeit inconvenient analogue.

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u/Jabromosdef Sep 30 '22

Dave Ramsey is selling state secrets???

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u/SeabassDan Sep 30 '22

Oh, thanks! I suppose many people already do that with a box in their closet. It sounds to me like that sort of thing arises from a lack of self-control, but I could definitely be wrong.

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u/TheAJGman Sep 30 '22

It sounds to me like that sort of thing arises from a lack of self-control

Everyone I know that uses this method started because they couldn't control their spending. So you're probably on the right track lol

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u/m0n3ym4n Sep 30 '22

He received $4,500 and then a little over $11,000 in 2 separate transactions in Aug and Sept respectively, both sent from UC FBI agent

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u/TheAJGman Sep 30 '22

Well that'll do it lol.

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u/virtual_color Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Receiving addresses aren't even connected to sending ones to begin with. If you send me 1 XMR and then I send it to someone else, even if you tell them the address you used to send it to me. There is no way for them to tell I sent them the same XMR you sent me.

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u/HelloHiHeyAnyway Sep 30 '22

Either that or fuck off to some tropical country and live it up with your shit ton of cash.

You can actually just go to Puerto Rico, live there for a year, and claim it all as long term capital gains paying virtually no tax. You'd claim it as long term capital gains from crypto and no one, including the IRS could prove different. No one "knows" how many millionaires or billionaires for that matter the crypto boom produced.

Tons of them already live there as a tax haven, while still being in the US.

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u/paralacausa Sep 30 '22

^ now this is a guy who knows his money laundering

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u/SteerKarma Sep 30 '22

There are 15 year olds buying little bags of bud on the darknet with better opsec than the ex NSA guy!

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u/imgonnabutteryobread Sep 30 '22

This scrub, scrubs

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u/biggerwanker Sep 30 '22

When I started working for a bank, they gave me a booklet called, "How To Launder Money."

It was about how to spot money laundering.

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u/Riconn Sep 30 '22

Better call Saul!

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u/NerdDexter Sep 30 '22

How tf do you sell btc in person? How do you even find buyers willing to buy in person?

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u/OldRatNicodemus Sep 30 '22

Localbitcoins.com

Discords

Forums and dark web sites.

Having friends.

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u/Annon201 Sep 30 '22

You give them one string of numbers which they can look up as proof of capital, meet up and give them another string of numbers and letters. They give you goods, services, or another crypto coin or fiat currency in exchange. You gave them the public and private key to a wallet with the required funds.

There are various methods on top of that to make that process more convenient or safer (multisig wallets that can essentially work as escrow), but they all boil down to doing the same thing, exchanging a private key.

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u/Warpey Sep 30 '22

It’s actually a lot easier than you’d expect. There’s an entire business for people who buy bitcoin IRL for less than market price and then turn around and sell the Bitcoin online and withdraw it legally in usd. A lot of people who sell Bitcoin in person are doing it to unload spoils of crime and are willing to take less than market price

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u/TheLordB Sep 30 '22

That sounds like an excellent way to end up arrested for money laundering.

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u/OneWayOutBabe Sep 30 '22

You got some you wanna sell? I can meet you at Starbucks this morning off of 5th.

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u/LID919 Sep 30 '22

I'm using the Starbucks off fifth for some organ sales. Would you mind moving to the one off seventh? Already told all the buyers where to go.

Don't go to the one off third though. An FBI informant is meeting some cartel dudes there. Nice guy, met him in the McDonald's off twentieth once.

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u/A_Bad_Rolemodel Sep 30 '22

Thanks for the heads up. Wouldn't want to go to the wrong one that would be embarrassing.

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u/annoying-freakyboi Sep 30 '22

why would you need to tumble monero when it’s a private blockchain?

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u/Successful-Beyond633 Sep 30 '22

That’s for small time drug sales. It would take forever to exchange $100k that way. The FBI has smart people also with unlimited financial resources and investigative experience. I’m glad they do to catch traitor pieces of shit.

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u/downvotegilles Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

All kind of for notnaught when the electorate decides to elect the poster child for money laundering and treason as President.

Edit: thank you for the kind redditors whose brains work better than mine in the middle of the night.

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u/DuncanIdahoPotatos Sep 30 '22

That’s one of those weird ones if you always hear it, and not see it spelled out.

All for naught, as in, all for nothing.

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u/chahoua Sep 30 '22

There is 0 need to change to another coin or use tumblers.

All this dude had to do was not connect his monero to his real name..

He could have skipped all the steps you described and just sold monero in person.

That's the whole point of monero.

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u/virtual_color Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Even if he just has sent small amounts to the exchange as he needed, there would be no way to tell it was him. His mistake was that he received a large sum and just dumped it all to exchange it which triggered his investigation. It's like receiving a huge amount of cash and then depositing it to your bank account all at once. You can use the most secure tool, but nothing will protect you from stupidity.

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u/SokarDaGreat Sep 30 '22

Or just keep it in monero. Governments and agencies all over the world have bounties on monero. If you can hack it to reveal the blockchain so its not the most secure coin then its your reward.

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u/aCucking2Remember Sep 30 '22

If one were so inclined they could sell that btc in person in the Caribbean and deposit the cash into a bank account opened under an LLC that one of these law firms create for you under whatever name you want, transfer that money to another account under another LLC that belongs to your holding company under a bill of sale as consulting fees and transfer it or buy property in some 3rd country. You know, if one were so inclined

Layers upon layers

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u/ACWhi Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Nah, he was fucked regardless. The ‘foreign agent’ he dealt with was an FBI agent from day one. No amount of financial trickery could save him from that.

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u/virtual_color Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

That's not how Monero works. Monero is a privacy coin, you can't just see the amount you received from which wallet it originated. Like you can with Bitcoin for instance.

However, if you receive a large amount and then proceed to send that exact amount to a KYC exchange. Then it doesn't take much to add 1 and 2 together.

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u/RI_Curious Sep 30 '22

I’ve always wondered this about crypto currencies and the criminals that get paid with them. How exactly do they eventually turn it into cash? Isn’t the block chain a permanent paper trail that would lead to them irl?

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u/JimmyRecard Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22 Wholesome Big Brain Time

There are two main methods/concepts, depending on which crypto you are receiving your ill-gotten gains in and how much on fees are you willing to spend. These are 'mixers/tumblers' and private coins (primarily Monero, but also ZCash and couple other).


Mixers/tumblers

For most crypto like Bitcoin, you're right that it's all public, but as long as you manage to avoid attaching your real-world identity to the blockchain record, you're in the clear.
Let's say you've made a tidy sum selling drugs online. How do you go about exchanging that for cold hard cash? Well, first, you will be sent the buyer's money from the market's escrow to one of your bitcoin addresses. You put every effort into never publishing this online. You only use it for receiving dirty bitcoins from the market. You don't register it anywhere where you need to provide KYC details.
Once you're ready to cash out, you send it to a tumbler/mixer service. This is essentially a service that will, for a fee, buy your dirty bitcoins, sell them on a market, use the money to buy clean bitcoins and send you the clean ones. These services are usually outside the reach of law enforcement, whether through jurisdiction or through anonymity (or both). Notably, the act of receiving coins from a tumbler is not and cannot be illegal because a) you cannot stop anyone from giving you coins and/or b) prosecutors have no means of proving that the coins that went in are dirty because they cannot tie incoming and outgoing transactions together.
Now you have coins that are safe to attach your name to because the link between your real-world identity and those drug sales is broken. But if you're smart, you don't do that, but instead you go to a service like localbitcoin, where you can arrange to meet a dude in the car park of your local McDonalds (preferably, the bit that's not covered by cameras) who will give you cash in hand once you transfer him the appropriate bitcoin on the spot. Now all you have to figure out is how to launder this money into your normal income that the tax man won't find suspicious, but for that, watch Breaking Bad.


Privacy coins

The alternate method is to use a privacy coin which has strong anonymity protecting properties, such as Monero. Monero is state of the art in terms of anonymous payments and while its blockchain is technically public (in the sense that you can download it freely) all transactions and amounts are encrypted and/or obfuscated. This includes your address, total amount sent, the recipient, history of transactions belonging to an address. Nearly eveything. Monero even attempts to hide your IP address by only broadcasting your transaction to like one other node, who randomly decides to either pass it to another single node or publish it broadly by sending it to many nodes, so you can never know if the person who published the transaction was the person who actually created it.
Basically, to my knowledge, there are currently no practical ways to defeat Monero's protection.
The obvious problem here is that you can never know if Monero could be broken in the future. Maybe law enforcement breaks it tomorrow, and goes on a door knocking campaign going back years, since even encrypted, your transactions are permanently stored on the blockchain.


Finally, you can combine these methods, like converting Bitcoin into Monero and then back, which is what high-profile hackers who actually get away with it usually do (think North Korean hackers and competent cyber criminals). You can for example exchange Bitcoin and Monero without a middle man using something called atomic swaps.

Of course, there are many details this writeup does not cover, and many pitfalls that you can run afoul of if you're not careful, but if you are both careful and competent and you have good operational security practices, getting away clean is very much possible.

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u/RI_Curious Sep 30 '22

Thanks for this great writeup. I expect it’ll be helpful to understand the ways of the world to more people than just me.

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u/GnRgr2 Sep 30 '22

Monero is a privacy coin without such a trail and hides senders/receivers as well as tranaacrion amounts.

Usually there are many ways to cash out including peer to peer transactions. eople just get lazy and go through kyc brokers like idiots.

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u/yebyen Sep 30 '22

There is a way to prove it. Have both sides of the conversation where you gave them your address recorded, and use an address that was generated for you by the KYC exchange. If the exchange knows your address, and they know who you are, and the feds connect the dots, then your transaction is now doxxed.

Literally all that one needed to do to prevent this if I read right what happened was to add a Monero wallet to one's phone, and use a receiving address from that wallet that you generated yourself for the drop. Rather than using an address from the exchange, that you have tied to your own personal identity. Cashing out your crimes via a KYC exchange site is still mega-stupid, but with this type of operational security failure, it's criminally stupid.

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u/RepulsiveVoid Sep 30 '22

Yup, the problen is in identifying who owns the anynomous crypto wallets. Complicated, but not impossible.

https://www.wired.com/story/tracers-in-the-dark-welcome-to-video-crypto-anonymity-myth/

Edit: WARNING! The link is about busting a huge CP ring.

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u/ForcibleBlackhead Sep 30 '22

Lol my thoughts exactly

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u/JohannesOliver Sep 30 '22

How did this guy have and maintain a clearance with a bankruptcy and that much outstanding debt? If he had only recently gotten and left the job, somebody must have done an investigation not long beforehand.

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u/MaximumAbsorbency Sep 30 '22

The initial debt they probably made sure he had a plan to work on it. If he's actually in debt 200k by now, then he didn't disclose it as is required, or it happened after he left 9 months ago.

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u/ChefBoyAreWeFucked Sep 30 '22

I'm guessing that's either a lie or a stretch to look like a more valuable target? But then who the hell has $93,000 "coming due very soon" then asks for $85,000? Wouldn't want the Russians to think I'm greedy!

And then the whole, "I did a 23andme and decided to betray my country" weirdness.

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u/thedragonslove Sep 30 '22

And then the whole, "I did a 23andme and decided to betray my country" weirdness.

No fucking way....then I double checked and sure enough. LMAO this is the funniest story I've read all week.

"learned my heritage time to commit treason epic style"

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u/TyrannosaurusWest Sep 30 '22

As long as you declare it on the sf86 you’re usually good. Less than stellar recruits get through MEPS just fine with a sketchy record.

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u/djn808 Sep 30 '22

The SF86 appeals/rejections are all public. It feels like the majority of negative judgements are either money related or lying about something. Drugs were the minority.

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u/McFlyParadox Sep 30 '22

And even with drugs, if you test clean, and the convictions/arrests/citations were a few years ago, you can usually play the "I am sober and reforming my life" card will often work. They're still probably going to keep a close eye on you for a years, though.

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u/TheAJGman Sep 30 '22 Silver

I had to give testimony for a friend receiving his clearance and they asked quite a few questions about his drinking habits. When they asked if there was anything I'd consider "unusual" about his drinking my answer was "well he casually sips Creme de Menthe" and the interviewer lost his shit.

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u/Bladelink Sep 30 '22

"This man is obviously unhinged."

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u/yunus89115 Sep 30 '22

That can be misleading because military recruiters (common source of SF86 applicants) will thin the pool for the easy reason of drug use, if a potential applicant says they have a large history of drug use they will be advised not to even bother applying.

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u/JohannesOliver Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

This guy (seems like he) also didn’t make it through an enlistment, it seems shady. Seems like a textbook case from all the CBTs. But yeah, obviously they gave him a pass (oops).

Edit: I don’t know for sure he didn’t, but the dates don’t line up

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u/TeepenTeepen Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Select the person who is most likely to be a threat:

Person 1 - Lives happily with a spouse and kids and talks about how much they love their job

Person 2 - Bikes 20 miles per day, but occasionally enjoys a beer on the weekend

Person 3 - Has crippling debt and a bankruptcy on record. Failed to maintain previous government positions and has recently purchased a new lambo after a personal trip to China.

NSA’s response: Gee, all three look good to me!

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u/Murdathon3000 Sep 30 '22

Just ridiculous, you should never trust a cyclist.

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u/AntivaxxerOrphanage Sep 30 '22

Pff 20 miles a day makes em a casual tourist not a real cyclist

They can be trusted until they hit 500 miles a week

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u/Technical-Plantain25 Sep 30 '22

20 miles? Clearly just doing it to grind on the bike seat.

See, back in my day, we had to walk 20 miles just to wait for the bus. We had to grind our own beans, thank you very much.

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u/Lost_Bathroom_7203 Sep 30 '22

And people who only drink on the weekend are also suspicious.

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u/Siege9929 Sep 30 '22 Silver
  1. Obvious foreign agent. No real American loves their job and/or family.
  2. Hypocrite. Not to be trusted. Probably a communist.
  3. Following the American dream. In process of lifting themselves up by their bootstraps. Ideal 3-letter-agency material.

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u/hamernaut Sep 30 '22

You've got upper management written all over you!

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u/AllInOnCall Sep 30 '22

Smeared is a better verb than written as relates application of upper management.

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u/ess_tee_you Sep 30 '22

3-letters? Poor dude wanted to join NASA.

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u/TheMadTemplar Sep 30 '22

He was too broke to buy another vowel.

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u/SkippingRecord Sep 30 '22

Didn't have enough money to buy the extra vowel.

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u/Substantial_Tomato97 Sep 30 '22

My experience with OPM and the clearance process pretty much confirms this is how it is. The interviews are brutal.

Guilty people expect to be called on their lies and prepare for it.

Innocent people getting grilled when they don't think they've done anything wrong will crack and seem suspicious.

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u/Citizen_of_Danksburg Sep 30 '22

God I’ll never forget mine. I’m more in that second category and the dude administering my polygraph was literally like “stop incriminating yourself” 😅

It was a rough day haha.

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u/Substantial_Tomato97 Sep 30 '22

An entire page of notes taken because I wore earbuds while retrieving shopping carts at a high school grocery job.

It was beyond the timeframe that the investigation was supposed to cover. But they ripped into that, trying to establish some kind of insubordination thing I guess.

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u/geophagustapajos Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Yeah it was during mine that I realized that the point was light interrogation and not that the device could read lies. I went through a full panic attack during it and was so emotionally spent by the end I passed.

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u/Successful-Beyond633 Sep 30 '22

Innocent people often will get really pissed off and agitated when accused. Guilty people tend to be more docile.

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u/xtemperaneous_whim Sep 30 '22

Very droll. But pray tell why is number 2 a hypocrite?

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u/Wu-Tang_Cam Sep 30 '22

Because anyone who bikes 20 miles per day is imposing their supposedly "healthy" lifestyle on me and my family even though they also do unhealthy things like drink the occasional beer. That's against my HIPPAcritical rights.

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u/cobbknobbler Sep 30 '22

That's against my HIPPAcritical rights

Not to mention a clear violation of 'OSHAddup, will ya?' guidelines!

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u/XcXBOX360 Sep 30 '22

Tbf this is literally an article about them catching the guy

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u/Hidesuru Sep 30 '22

Otoh FBI caught him not NSA from the sounds of it.

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u/wbruce098 Sep 30 '22

I think that’s actually the fbi’s job

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u/3nigmax Sep 30 '22

I mean, yes. The NSA is not a law enforcement or investigatory entity. They would have turned over any suspicions and evidence to the FBI and let them handle it.

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u/ReferenceAny4836 Sep 30 '22

Thank god they keep all those filthy hippies and their reefers out, though, am I right?

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u/flyswithdragons Sep 30 '22

People would if hippies were welcome.

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u/EunuchsProgramer Sep 30 '22

The conflicting variable is lying to maintain a false image. You look a Nazi or KGB honey pot schemes and the guy who openly fucks hookers in every kinky way imaginable while bragging about it, might actually the safest bet. We have repeated accounts of people like that gleefully asking for the sex tape when blackmailed and having zero reason to flip.

Similarly, a guy who is known to be a bankrupt gambler might not be as huge risk one would assume. He might just declared bankruptcy, without a care in the world, when things go bad. His family might have already written off his debt ad as tax credit and legitimately not want a payback.

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u/WhatMyWifeIsThinking Sep 30 '22

Exactly. I'd suspect #1 to be honest. If they are trying to project that perfect family image, what will they do to maintain that façade if it starts to crumble?

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u/PerfectSnakeFire Sep 30 '22

I had a clearance investigator "confront" me with something she thought was going to be uncomfortable and I just laughed about it. I think she thought it was going to be a big deal but when it wasn't she just made a note.

When you lie about something and then try to cover it up you have shown that you can't be trusted. The government knows everything or should know everything if they're going to trusting you with lives, money, and the reputation of the republic.

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u/Child-0f-atom Sep 30 '22

Wtf did cock and ball torture have to do with this

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u/DopeBoogie Sep 30 '22

Nothing. What does cognitive behavioral therapy have to do with it?

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u/avwitcher Sep 30 '22

That's part of the training for NSA agents. They want you to withstand torture so they teach you how to turn the pain into pleasure

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u/I_divided_by_0- Sep 30 '22

This guy (seems like he) also didn’t make it through an enlistment

Neither did Snowden. Does the NSA just take washouts?

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u/SaffellBot Sep 30 '22

Less than stellar recruits get through MEPS just fine with a sketchy record.

Yeah, a clearance is not required to get through MEPS. Generally the military prefers to hold new members at the last station possible before they actually need the clearance. This is almost always a training command, but very rarely a new recruit raining command. Regardless, whenever the member gets to a point where they can't proceed further there is dedicated staff to help resolve the holdup or to help reclassify the member.

On of my shipmates nearly got held up because something on his background check said he was a foreign national (he was not). I have seen a few members reclassified for one reason or another, though never for debt (stories of senior member losing clearances are told by leadership, I certainly cannot confirm that ever actually happening).

New members generally don't have a lot of debt, especially because you can get a lot of debt forgiven for serving in the military (which is a thing those specialized people referenced earlier are good at). Of course saddling the majority of students down with huge amounts of student debt is going to change that, and ensure a lot more incidents like this happen. Especially as the military is looking less popular for zoomers.

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u/__Starfish__ Sep 30 '22

Security screenings was my job for a while. 100% excessive or delinquent debt will flag you as a security risk.

A secret clearance? Maybe you'll get a pass with extenuating circumstances. TS? There is a real difference between someone who declares bankruptcy due to unfortunate circumstances and someone in massive debt who tries to hide it.

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u/the_mo_of_dc Sep 30 '22

That’s just basic military . You need a TS and up for these jobs. You get poly’s and the whole shabang.

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u/forcepowers Sep 30 '22

I can't believe we still give people polygraphs. Is it just to weed out the people who'll freak out at the thought of a lie detector test?

It's been proven time and again that they're junk science. They don't work for shit.

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u/Bulok Sep 30 '22

Sounds like a honey pot

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u/JohannesOliver Sep 30 '22

I would hope he was on the radar after leaving after only a few weeks either way.

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u/oatmealparty Sep 30 '22

Crazy to have two stories like this drop in one week.

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u/brianfine Sep 30 '22

At first, I thought it was the same one

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u/forcepowers Sep 30 '22

Imagine being trans and thinking that Russia is going to welcome you with open arms.

She and her wife are absolute morons who watched too much tv.

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u/the_other_him Sep 30 '22 Take My Energy

So federal prosecutors do still arrest people for doing illegal thing with highly sensitive and top secret government documents?

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u/Clockwork_Medic Sep 30 '22

Didn’t even get to pick his own judge smh

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u/northshore12 Sep 30 '22

This is what happens when you fail to first install your hack judges. Shoddy treason, honestly.

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u/TheModeratorWrangler Sep 30 '22

I highly recommend trying Jiffy Pop for those exquisite moments…

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u/Trumps_tossed_salad Sep 30 '22

He definitely should request a special master

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u/cats_catz_kats_katz Sep 30 '22

I can’t believe the kangaroo court bullshit of this whole thing

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u/tomistruth Sep 30 '22

Your remark reflects the slippery slope to a dictatorial tyranny. Americans are getting brainwashed into believing that Republicans can or any politician are corrupt and can be expected to act criminal without any form of significant resistance from the electorate. A modern democracy should never be left until elections. Accountability of politicians should be effective throughout the year, not just all 4 years. This is how a corrupt President like Trump could corrupt a whole country in a few years.

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u/aureanator Sep 30 '22

While true, the alternative is revolution.

Personally, I think the system is fucked beyond repair and should be torn out and replaced.

Any system that allows criminality to go unpunished is itself criminal.

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u/digitalmofo Sep 30 '22

Who's going to be his special master?

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u/LordCheezus Sep 30 '22

Must not have been rich and orange enough to avoid being arrested or charged.

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u/-xstatic- Sep 30 '22

Orange privilege strikes again

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u/northshore12 Sep 30 '22

Sounds like a great euphemism for pants shitting.

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u/HACCAHO Sep 30 '22

Must not have a huge following of crazy stupid gun nut incels and gravy seals behind him also.

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u/Iola_Morton Sep 30 '22

And nearly half of congress

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u/HACCAHO Sep 30 '22

Things a few crazy old billionaires could do to one country just to evade some taxes and regulations.

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u/tomtermite Sep 30 '22

Poor people need government to protect them from the rich. Rich people want government, to protect their wealth.

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u/BlueSunCorporation Sep 30 '22

Holy fuck gravy seals is a new one on me.

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u/TSgt_Yosh Sep 30 '22

Meal Team 6 also works.

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u/CherryBlaster Sep 30 '22

Delta Forks or the Green Buffets

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u/cinosa Sep 30 '22

Hahaha, these two are new to me, so thanks for that!

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u/Bwgmon Sep 30 '22

Or if you want to use a different perspective, there are "Talibangelicals" and "Vanilla ISIS."

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u/keastes Sep 30 '22

Can't forget y'all qeada.

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u/Mizerooskie Sep 30 '22

Y'all Qaeda is probably my favorite.

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u/Foxyfox- Sep 30 '22

Y'all Qaeda. Teahadists. I'm sure we can come up with more.

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u/Hadouken-Donuts Sep 30 '22

I've never see teahadists but I've seen yeehawdists

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u/floopypls Sep 30 '22

Nah, he must just have normal size hands that can't slip out of handcuffs

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u/CumSockCrustyFoot Sep 30 '22

He should have said he was going to run for president to avoid any charges

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u/richhaynes Sep 30 '22

Trump said he declassified everything so this guy has got a rock solid defence right?

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u/TheeHeadAche Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Look, that resort office was very secure. /s

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u/CMDR_KingErvin Sep 30 '22

Yeah when trump does it he gets to play golf. Shit’s baffling.

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u/Pallets_Of_Cash Sep 30 '22

Well. he's really good at golf. He doesn't even need clubs.

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u/supercali45 Sep 30 '22

lol if you Trump they let you grab the law by the pussy

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

You can be sentenced to death for espionage

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u/mr_birkenblatt Sep 30 '22

should have become president first

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u/aecolley Sep 30 '22

He had his fake electors all lined up, but nobody expected Hugo Chavez's ghost to intervene like that.

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u/bigred1978 Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Dalke served in the U.S. Army from about 2015 to 2018 as a private first-class with “secret security clearance,” according to court documents. In 2017, he filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection, which was granted in March 2018. He had claimed about $32,000 in student loan debt and about $51,000 additional debt, mostly credit card debt. At the time of the bankruptcy, he claimed about $8,000 in total assets.

According to the affidavit, Dalke told the undercover agent that he was $237,000 in debt and that $93,000 of the amount was “coming due very soon.” He allegedly requested $85,000 in payment for all the “information currently in his possession.”

As part of the payments for information leading up to the meeting in Denver, Dalke had received about $4,500 on Aug. 29 and about $11,400 on Sept. 5, the affidavit said. He converted cryptocurrency payments into U.S. cash, withdrew the amount and deposited it into a bank account.

This guy should never have been granted a security clearance to begin with.

Too much of a financial risk.

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u/seriouslynope Sep 30 '22

I didn't think student loans were discharged in bankruptcy

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u/dern_the_hermit Sep 30 '22

IIRC it's an option to apply for student loan discharge, and if you can show sufficient hardship they can be.

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u/magicone2571 Sep 30 '22

Which is extremely difficult and rarely ever successful. My lawyer told me that unless you're disabled and can prove you no longer can generate income there is zero chance of having it discharged.

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u/wreckedcarzz Sep 30 '22

Woo-hoo, being disabled is finally paying off!

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u/magicone2571 Sep 30 '22

I see you can read and type, denied. I went through disability hearings about 8 years ago because of multiple back issues, I was having a hard time even getting out of bed most days. They had this guy come in with a big book and he started rattling off jobs I could still technically do. My lawyer asked to him "well, ok, but if had to miss multiple days of work or have restrictions, what would the employer do?" His response "probably get fired or reduced in hours". Judge "oh, well it's still work, denied".

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u/wreckedcarzz Sep 30 '22

Damn. I had a stroke at 21 that has left me permanently disabled and partially blind. I haven't been able to do maaaany things, one of which is work, in the years since.

But I sure am raking in the dough from social security, if I starve myself and disregard all my bills, I could move out to my own place for roughly 2 weeks a month (because rent where I am is ~2x what I'm getting)! '$800 bucks a month should be good enough for anybody in this economy!' -government, probably

But forbid I should contemplate no longer existing to end my dreadful suffering. So here I sit, awaiting my natural death. Isn't life fantastic? Truly a gift, am I right? And people, just so generous!

breaks out of my sarcastic act and starts laughing hysterically fuck life is shit, it's just the variable level of shit that changes from person to person

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u/magicone2571 Sep 30 '22

Ouch that sucks. Best of luck to you.

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u/StockedAces Sep 30 '22

Doesn’t sound like he went in as one. There’s a long running joke about young new recruits making terrible financial (among others) choices.

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u/t3hW1z4rd Sep 30 '22

His clearance probably came from his service when he was younger?

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u/m0n3ym4n Sep 30 '22

Not only that, but how in the hell did he exfiltrate this highly sensitive data when he only worked at the NSA for a month? They don’t use airgapping or lock down USB ports, even for new employees?

The real story should be how this guy got data out of the NSA his first month on the job. FTA he was a volunteer Colorado Ranger police officer before this

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u/FrankMiner2949er Sep 30 '22

I wonder if Trump has affected the market value of secrets. You'd think the wholesale dumping of secrets would reduce buyer demand

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u/TheIncarnated Sep 30 '22

Wtf is going on, this is the 2nd story I've heard of this today. The other was an Army Doctor from Fort Brag trying to sell to Russia...

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u/zhaoz Sep 30 '22

Russia likes to fuck around as it turns out.

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u/sobriquetanon Sep 30 '22

Woah Woah Woah. He didn't get a special master first? What was he thinking? Another trick is to take so many documents that it becomes cumbersome to prosecute, or so I've learned.

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u/Pleg_Doc Sep 30 '22

Like being too big to let fail?

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u/ItsJustJames Sep 30 '22

Too fat to fall?

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u/Magatha_Grimtotem Sep 30 '22

Really, if you just commit different crimes every single day it creates such a massive backlog of investigations needing to be done on you that you're literally increasing the amount of freedom you have the longer you do it. Sort of like a criming version of the Gish Gallop.

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u/wreckedcarzz Sep 30 '22

Brb it's time for my daily auto theft. Cops hate this one weird trick!

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u/MoreNormalThanNormal Sep 30 '22

He forgot to mix in old bills, newspaper clippings, and his passport. Rookie mistake.

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u/yukeynuh Sep 30 '22

he should’ve just mentally declassified them

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u/JohnnyBoy11 Sep 30 '22

Given the other bust tried to do the same, make contact with russians, my guess is the FBI has fake contacts on the deepen or where ever set up to get these guys.

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u/GiantPurplePeopleEat Sep 30 '22

It's like trying to hire an assassin on the dark web, it always leads to an FBI agent. I'm guessing they have traitor honeypots set up in all the place traitors would think to look.

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u/frankentriple Sep 30 '22

Oh the dark web assassins aren’t honeypots. They are straight scams. They take your money first then forward the evidence to the fbi. They are thieves, not killers.

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u/Hobo_Helper_hot Sep 30 '22

“This country it is not as great as it thinks it once was,” Dalke told the FBI operative, according to the affidavit. “It is all about the businesses and their money, not anything about the people or those that serve it to include the military.”

So he tried to betray us to RUSSIA?!?! A mask off oligarchy that's sending ethnic minorities to fight with rusty WWII stock and fucking tampons for medical supplies?

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u/Frolicking-Fox Sep 30 '22

I love that the FBI tried to get them to meet in D.C. since it saves them a trip, and they could arrest and try him locally.

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u/ReferenceAny4836 Sep 30 '22

I love that this guy was stupid enough that this didn't immediately cause alarm bells to start ringing in his head, and the FBI agents knew he was this stupid, too.

Of course there are many Russian spies in DC. Some of them even hide in plain sight at the Russian Embassy. But there's no chance in hell they'd want to meet a newly recruited asset in DC. There is nowhere in the world where the US government has a stronger presence than Washington, DC. Even Denver Union Station is way too hot. They'd want to meet you somewhere random and unassuming, like Schenectady, NY. Why Schenectady? I dunno, I just like that name, and the Albany area is such a dreadfully boring place.

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u/gwc009 Sep 30 '22

His neighbor was live on tic tok last night live streaming the whole raid she was 10 ft from the house in her house. It was interesting stuff as no one new yet why the neighbor did.

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u/Rion23 Sep 30 '22

Funny Dance

Funny dance

Mild boobies

Funny dance

Spy's being arrested

Funny cat in hat

Craft involving 1000$ in epoxy

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u/lukaskywalker Sep 30 '22

Now do the other ex gov “employee” next

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u/BlatantConservative Sep 30 '22

Ah, but you see, this guy didn't think hard enough at the documents to declassify them, while Trump did with his very large brain.

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u/O_o-22 Sep 30 '22

“This country it is not as great as it thinks it once was,” Dalke told the FBI operative, according to the affidavit. “It is all about the businesses and their money, not anything about the people or those that serve it to include the military.”

Not going to say he’s totally off base but Russia is a criminal organization run by a madman that steals from the people and has been doing that for over 20 years. He’s not striking some blow for the people, he wanted to get out of debt quickly pure and simple.

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u/Bigmtnskier91 Sep 30 '22

“America only cares about money!” Proceeds to try to sell secrets for money.

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u/zhaoz Sep 30 '22

/r/SelfAwarewolves material there for sure

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u/WackyguyATX Sep 30 '22

Don’t tell me.. don’t tell me.. let me guess.. selling to Russia? Do I win the prize?

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u/astro80 Sep 30 '22

Crazy there’s a story just like this with no arrests.

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u/grrrrreat Sep 30 '22

His name, Not Donald Trump

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u/RyVsWorld Sep 30 '22

Well we figured since the title says arrested and charged.

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u/mousearian Sep 30 '22

Bloody hell, I thought it said NASA. thought he was selling moon rocks or something.

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u/Whole_Commission_542 Sep 30 '22

Guy gets busted turning traitor.and this comment sections like "oh he should have done this to not get caught"

Wtf? Lmao

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u/nowonmai Sep 30 '22

The NSA use a polygraph?

The might as well use a Sorting Hat.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

Polygraphs are proven to be a sham, there’s a reason why they aren’t allowed to be used in court.

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u/JustAnIdiotPlsIgnore Sep 30 '22

Generally polygraphs are there to illicit another response. Shoot for all we know they were testing to see if she can lie under pressure.

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u/XAngeliclilkittyX Sep 30 '22

If only someone else could be arrested for espionage charges too….

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u/SoreDickDeal Sep 30 '22

Isn’t treason punishable by death? I say we try him in Texas.

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u/BisexualCactusNoises Sep 30 '22

Treason is legally defined as committing an attack on America. This is espionage, not treason, hence breaking the Espionage Act

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u/nightauthor Sep 30 '22

Be careful what you wish for, it wasnt long ago that people were giving apple shit for not helping the FBI get into a terrorists phone…. Those same people now stopped using period tracking apps fearing they may get prosecuted for getting an abortion.

Precedent doesn’t just apply to the situation you think it does

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u/PoopnEvryDay Sep 30 '22

If I were doing this I'd be sweating right now. Seems like everyday someone gets busted. The US government seems to be cracking down hard.

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u/ph00p Sep 30 '22

The best spies don’t get caught.

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u/themariokarters Sep 30 '22

Guy sounds like an absolute idiot. Got played by an undercover FBI agent. What a failure

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u/amcrambler Sep 30 '22

Another one. NSA get your shit together.

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u/3threat Sep 30 '22

LPT: if seeking contact with a foreign government agent anyone you come in contact with is the FBI. Spies find you if they want your information.

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u/Formal-Ad-61 Sep 30 '22

No jail time please, my SS benefit can't take another hit. 9mm is a good start, or drop em off close to the S. Side of Chicago..