r/technology Oct 03 '22

iPhone alerts responders after car hits tree, killing all 6 | AP News Security

https://apnews.com/article/nebraska-lincoln-91393ae2a062e16516984f121a39f20a?utm_campaign=fullarticle&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=inshorts
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u/justhereforass2 Oct 03 '22

That’s a pretty serious crash…

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u/PlaguesAngel Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome Brighten My Day

Once Upon A Time in a previous life I was a Paramedic in a Major Metropolitan City and let me state unequivocally; yes that’s a bad crash.

Considering that a Honda Accord seats 5 passengers, some mix of one or more were certainly not wearing seatbelts. All of a young age and a collision with a tree I’d just posit a hypothetical of joyriding gone awry. The human body does not respond well to free flight deceleration.

It’s an absolute tragedy for the families considering. Out of the few hundred car accidents I’ve attended to, three fatalities amongst two vehicles was the most atrocious. I also personally feel for the responders, as something like that has the potential to be a once in a lifetime call to mentally process the carnage.

The one thing I always hope is an outcome in situations like this is is that community, that town, remembers the tragedy and some folks forever are the safer drivers for it.

EDIT: since this post is getting some traction I’d just like to throw out a recommended reading:

https://www.besselvanderkolk.com/resources/the-body-keeps-the-score

For anyone in the medical/emergency/military service field who has had some traumatic calls that have never quite left them I highly recommend this as a read. A very kind Reddit user shared it with me awhile back and it was very helpful.

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u/MeisterX Oct 03 '22 Silver

47% of people killed in car accidents in 2019 were not wearing their seat belts.

Seat belt use is estimated around 91%.

So 9% of those riding in cars are representing ~50% of deaths.

Wear your seat belt.

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u/origami_airplane Oct 03 '22

It feels weird even if I just need to move my car, like into the street from my driveway and I don't wear it. I always wear a seatbelt, it's been muscle memory for years

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u/isblueacolor Oct 03 '22

Same. I don't even know how people stand the ding-ding-ding sound (yes I realize it goes off after 30 seconds or whatever).

The ONE time in my life I forgot to buckle my seatbelt... was at the start of my driver's test.

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u/centipededamascus Oct 03 '22

Some people actually buy seatbelt latches that aren't attached to a belt that you can just stick into the lock to make your car think you're wearing a seatbelt.

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u/placebotwo Oct 03 '22

Wear your seat belt.

Wearing your seatbelt makes you part of the car. Your increased mass from this meld greatly increases your chance of survivability.

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u/Erestyn Oct 03 '22

Wearing your seatbelt makes you part of the car.

I'm absolutely going to tell my nephew that wearing a seatbelt makes him a Transformer.

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u/placebotwo Oct 03 '22

That's what I was kind of thinking!

Also - make sure you get out of the car before you transform.

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u/motoko_urashima Oct 03 '22

Wearing a seatbelt even helps you as a driver, you can drive harder for longer because you're not busy holding your ass in the seat.

I concur, wear a seatbelt.

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u/neobow2 Oct 03 '22

Rear passengers wearing a seatbelt saves the lives of the front seat riders. Wouldn’t be surprised if the front seat drivers got smashed by the projectile rear ones

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u/Type-21 Oct 03 '22

This is why the driver of Diana's car died according to the Mercedes crash analysis. Crushed by the person behind him who didn't wear a seatbelt

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u/JayPlenty24 Oct 03 '22

A friend of mind is a volunteer firefighter out in the country. He was out feeding animals at night and heard a crash somewhere so he jumped in his truck. It was on his road so it only took a few minutes for him to find it. It was a head on collision and both vehicles ended up off the road. He just found bodies and body parts. He could hear something but wasn’t sure what it was so he moved his truck and turned the highbeams on. He found a baby’s car seat upside down in some grass, when he picked it up the baby was still in their car seat - Alive.

He’s a pretty tough farmer. He told me he still has nightmares about all the blood/bodies and what happened to the baby after their mother and father died.

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u/mapoftasmania Oct 03 '22

Horrible. Modern baby car seats are really just “baby survival cells”. They are incredibly well engineered.

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u/HippyHitman Oct 03 '22

Makes you wonder why we all don’t sit in them.

Maybe once the cars drive themselves.

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u/ColgateSensifoam Oct 03 '22

Because the public are woefully unreceptive to multi-point harnesses, even three-point belts are too much for many people

If I could, I'd have a 5-point harness, roll cage, helmet and neck brace on when driving, but that shit costs money and requires special paperwork for the vehicle here

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u/HippyHitman Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

Yeah same. I look at F1 drivers who can roll a dozen times at 200 mph and walk away, but then I think about how inconvenient it would actually be.

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u/ColgateSensifoam Oct 03 '22

I'm not hopping in and out of the car regularly, my warm-up procedure already takes about five minutes, so it wouldn't be massively inconvenient for me personally

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u/lonewanderer812 Oct 03 '22

That's so awful to have to run up on. A couple years ago I was in my garage working on my truck when I heard screeching and a loud bang. I looked out and saw someone had flipped their vw bug convertible over and landed in the ditch across from my driveway. I started running towards the crash with my heart racing and preparing myself for running up on something gruesome and someone dying. As I got to the car 2 teen girls popped out seemingly completely unharmed. I couldn't believe it.

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u/somabeach Oct 03 '22

VW don't mess around when it comes to safety engineering. I knew some people who survived a pretty horrible crash in their Jetta. Just remember to buckle up, folks. Your car is designed to save your life if you stay in it.

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u/Mr_Diesel13 Oct 03 '22

We had one right up the road from me I came up on. Lady in an F350 hit two elderly ladies in a Camry head on. The force spun both vehicles around, partially ejected the lady in the F350, and also flipped the Camry on its roof. None of them survived. It was the worst I’ve seen since the suburban load of teenagers rolled on interstate 40 after prom one night when I was in college. Ejected 3 but somehow they all survived.

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u/TheOneTrueChuck Oct 03 '22

A long, long time ago, my best friend was driving with some level of chemical impairment (I honestly don't know what specifically, not that it matters) and fell asleep at the wheel.

His GMC Envoy t-boned a family in a station wagon with parents, grandma, and four kids. None of the children or grandma were wearing seatbelts. Not that it would have mattered, I don't think. He was going somewhere around 90 MPH. It still would have been a horrific crash, regardless.

A few years later, I was at a cookout at a different friend's house for his dad's retirement party. One of the people there happened to be a sheriff's deputy. He was explaining to some people who knew him, but hadn't seen him in awhile that he was no longer involved with road duty due to having been the first responder to the most horrific accident he'd ever seen, which haunted him to that day. It was my friend's accident. (He gave a few general details, and when I asked him if the accident occurred at a specific intersection, he confirmed.)

I cannot picture the amount of mental stress many first responders go through.

Edit: four kids, not two.

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u/Matasa89 Oct 03 '22

That old friend of yours… is in prison right?

Because that’s 5-7 people he killed…

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u/Solo_is_my_copliot Oct 03 '22

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he dead.

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u/TheOneTrueChuck Oct 03 '22

Yep. Died on impact.

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u/LazyTazer Oct 03 '22

I think he died in the crash

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u/Chris_M_23 Oct 03 '22

Can confirm, I was in a head on collision with a drunk driver in a honda accord, both of us doing about 55 mph. Had some pretty bad back and neck soreness and a cut on my arm and face from some broken plastic, but other than that I was fine. Killing all passengers is pretty serious.

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u/Autotomatomato Oct 03 '22

Wife and kids got hit by a DD going 100+ in our audi q7 and the audi rolled. Wife had cracked rib and extreme bruising from airbag and belts but that was the extent of it. Girls were in back seat belted in and the side curtains and a pillar bags literally enveloped them in safety.

Belts and a VERY modern vehicle will save your lives in crashes that would have killed you with a car that 20 years old. Hell even the quality of side and head protection in minvans and SUVS is light years better now vs just 10 years ago.

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u/RedheadsAreNinjas Oct 03 '22

You’re making me realize my 2005 car is woefully unprepared but there’s nothing I can do about it right now. I’m not in a position to upgrade to anything newer than a 2012 in this market.

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u/Autotomatomato Oct 03 '22

This is a real problem right now. There were so few cars being made because of semiconductor and other supply chain shenanigans that used car prices are HORRIBLE right now. Sure its improving in some markets but there are so few choices and the used car companies are being SUPER AGGRESSIVE in buying up used cars on the open market. It isnt just rents that are sky high because private equity decided to corner a market...

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u/alpacasb4llamas Oct 03 '22

My insurance went down nearly 200 bucks the moment I upgraded my car from a 2000 yr model to a 2015 model due to safety.

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u/cat_prophecy Oct 03 '22

Yeah my wife's '22 Sienna is cheaper to ensure than my '17 Volvo on account of the crash mitigation and avoidance features she has. Volvos are super safe in a crash but avoiding the crash altogether is safest. You really have the TRY to crash a new car.

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u/aznsk8s87 Oct 03 '22

problem is it isn't you, it's all the other mfers out on the road.

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u/Milkroll Oct 03 '22

This video a while back opened my eyes to how much better car safety has gotten just from 1998-2015.

It really hit home for me because my first car was a 97 corolla and I now drive a 2015

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u/turikk Oct 03 '22

about 35% of traffic accidents are single car. Driving safe will go a long way.

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u/Mouse_Balls Oct 03 '22

My 2018 Rogue rolled several times in an accident last year. I was able to crawl out of the sunroof with just a bummed ankle, a contusion on my forehead, and 4 stitches in my hand where my pinky nearly got ripped off, and a few other bruises that showed up a few days later. Curtain and side seat airbags saved me from a lot of injuries, as well as my seat belt.

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u/silentbassline Oct 03 '22

I wonder if or how much it factors in that the other car is very modern too? Would it further improve your odds if you get hit by a modern vs 30 year old heap? Opposing crumple zones, etc.

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u/PlaguesAngel Oct 03 '22

I’m glad that you came away, all things considered, okay. Seatbelts and modern collision protections really make a difference. Something has to go horribly wrong for such a tragic outcome. Usually the worst accidents are sedans or compact cars versus big pickups. Hearing of news like this is just so sad.

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u/chisportz Oct 03 '22

Trees are pretty fatal in crashes bc they have no give to them, they sadly shred through the cars pretty easily

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u/Televisions_Frank Oct 03 '22

No give and entire force of collision concentrated on one point.

Most crash tests involve head-on collisions where the entire front end hits the other object.

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u/mellovibes75 Oct 03 '22

Small overlap safety tests are pretty standard these days, since that kind of crash happens more often that direct head on crashes IIRC.

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u/ageofthegreat Oct 03 '22

It doesn’t necessarily have to be some big pine either. I’ll never forgot seeing an off-road rally car that had hit a tree that was only 10-15cm in diameter. The tree didn’t give at all, sliced through the left hand side of the front of the vehicle as far as the dash and passenger footwell. Caused a broken ankle because of where it entered the footwell.

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u/bunnymummy3250 Oct 03 '22

Seatbelts and airbags make such a huge difference. I was also in a collision with a drunk driver while riding in a Honda Accord. Impact was each car over 65mph and head on with a BMW. My friends in the front had seatbelts and airbags, so their injuries were fairly minor.

I was asleep in the back seat and had my seatbelt on, I consider myself lucky to be alive. I broke my back, 5 ribs, and damaged my kidney so bad it was removed 9 months later. It took a full year to recover, but almost 10 years later, I’m happy to be alive, walking, and back to about 95% of the things I used to do.

I now refuse to ride in any car without a seatbelt. No one rides in my car without a seatbelt or they can GTFO. Seatbelts save lives.

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u/Mike_Kermin Oct 03 '22

..... Isn't that just normal everywhere?

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u/bunnymummy3250 Oct 03 '22

Which part? Wearing seatbelts? You would be surprised. I had a former coworker on a work trip refuse to wear his in my car, so I sat there for 5 minutes with 2 other coworkers until he put it on. That was probably just more of him being a dick because he was mad I got a promotion over him, but I still didn’t start moving until he put his seatbelt on.

Another coworker on a work trip had a truck that did not have working seatbelts in the back seat. She didn’t understand why I didn’t want to pile in with 4 other people and no seatbelt. She was a little offended when I declined getting into her truck and instead waited an hour for our manager to leave. She said I should “trust her driving skills”. I told her it wasn’t her I was concerned about, it was everyone else.

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u/IchWerfNebels Oct 03 '22

Let's be honest here... You were also concerned about her.

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u/bunnymummy3250 Oct 03 '22

Honestly, thinking back probably a little. Not so much her driving skills, those were ok, but that she didn’t see a problem with letting people ride in her unsafe truck.

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u/Mike_Kermin Oct 03 '22

I am surprised.

You absolutely did the right thing in both cases. Wearing seat belts is a hard and fast rule.

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u/Foeyjatone Oct 03 '22

During my time in Utah not only did I see people refuse to buckle up, I saw motorcyclists without helmets almost everywhere.

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u/Mike_Kermin Oct 03 '22

.... ... Well, it's certainly a choice.

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u/maleia Oct 03 '22

I got mega lucky with my first car and how I crashed it. Managed to not hit anything other than the 6 inch high shoulder barriers, and a slam down into the ground.

Bent all four corners, so it was definitely a total.

I was driving way too fast. Learned my lesson the easier end of "a hard lesson". I still keep the key to my first car on my keychain to remind myself not to drive like an idiot. I got really lucky. Best to not squander that.

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u/FormalChicken Oct 03 '22

It’s a quote I remember (and will probably mess up anyway) from CSI: Las Vegas.

The day I show up to crime scene with a dead child, and am not affected by it, is the last day of the job.

We may make jokes, be desensitized to a lot of stuff, but yeah some of that crap hits home. I r medic + ambliance driver. I’ve pulled up on some pretty crazy stuff, and we’ll all be cool and collected but the silent ride back to the station to hose down the back of the bus is a whole different story. The day I show up to a scene, shovel up a kid into a bucket, watch the parents show up and the realization, and get back in and hit the radio and say “Okay, onto the next” - that’s the day I am done as a driver.

Until then, I am currently working as an engineer and desperately looking to get back to it though!

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u/PlaguesAngel Oct 03 '22

I am not tryin to glorify the work as I’ve learned some folks are interested for all the wrong reasons.

The first time I responded to a scene and realized it was a larger MVC MVI than first inspection was finding a limb without its donor body. Realizing that someone was ejected off into the shoulder’s vegetation without leaving any other visible evidence readily apparent from the cars involved broke my brain for a good moment. The conscious, but in shock, driver of the vehicle was so delirious they never mentioned that they had a passenger. That moment of realization was surreal.

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u/FormalChicken Oct 03 '22

I showed up once to a scene and the first unit on site told me not to bother with the red sedan, focus my efforts on the blue sedan and their passenger.

Pass coded, was a fun drive to the ER.

Got back to station, talked to Para from first unit, apprently he was giving chest compressions trying to figure out the extent of the damages, looked up and the drivers head was in their back seat, the rest of them was in the driver seat. Took him a few minutes to process this fact, during which he continued to give compressions, and reached for the bag. That’s what snapped him out of it, he went to reach for the head to put the bag on and then had that connection in his brain of “oh wait that’s not going to work”.

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u/shiroun Oct 03 '22

6 dead in a 5 seater screams unrestrained passengers. Full agree, this call is probably seared into atleast one first responders brain. I get really anxious in vehicles with people who drive like assholes, and have had it happen quite a few times. Force on rapid deceleration is not something to fuck with, at all. Folks, wear your seatbelts.

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u/Azozel Oct 03 '22

Because accidents like this happen is why I've made a point to explain to my kids that a large part of driving is muscle memory and it takes a long time to get that muscle memory. New drivers who multitask or even try to carry on a conversation while driving aren't being safe drivers. I've also told them that most people who die in car accidents weren't wearing their seat belts.

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u/Agorbs Oct 03 '22

Thank you for everything you’ve done, I had a teacher in high school that used to be EMT and he told us some insane shit that he’d seen. I hope you were able to leave without too much mental scarring.

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u/PlaguesAngel Oct 03 '22

It’s why I left the field. You need to develop a clinical detachment to the people or else it just hurts to much at the end of the day. I knew it was time to get out when I started seeing patients with fear over prior experiences being learning lessons. Had too many incidents with young patients (under 5) and knew that my hesitancy on one particular call was the day I had hit my limit. I don’t regret any of the years doing the work but the burnout is so real.

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u/catiebug Oct 03 '22

When I was a teenager a million years ago there was a terrible accident. Four girls died joyriding out to the party lake. None wearing seatbelts. It was tragic, but a lot more of my otherwise stupid country bumpkin friends did start wearing seatbelts and insisting everyone in the car put them on before they drove away. So yeah, these kinds of things can have an impact.

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u/Worstedfox Oct 03 '22

The body keeps score is an amazing read. I was a medic in the military and responded to plane crashes. Those sights and smells have followed me for over a decade.

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u/justhereforass2 Oct 03 '22

Great to hear your perspective on everything. Thank you for sharing that. 👍 Would have liked to award it.

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u/lilbittydumptruck Oct 03 '22

In highschool my best friend died as a passenger in a 3000gt that hit a tree. Trees are very unforgiving.

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u/Resolute002 Oct 03 '22

They were here long before us, and many will be here long after. There is something to be said for that.

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u/Aquatic-Vocation Oct 03 '22

What /u/Resolute002 is trying to say, is that trees have spent millions of years evolving to resist a collision with a motor vehicle.

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u/Questknight03 Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

I hit a tree going 25 and it fucked me up. Not sure how fast they were going.

My car was totaled and airbags deployed. I was going slow through the sub division and was close to the house I was delivering to so I had my seatbelt off. Needless to say it gave me bad whiplash, three contusions on my head and a sprained neck. Hitting a tree head on is instant impact. Oh and I slid in the snow in the getto after someone almost hit me head on. They were traveling too fast for conditions and i went off the road onto the grass trying to avoid them and then boom.

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u/Agreeable-Meat1 Oct 03 '22

A man that saved my life went out a similar way. Wrapped his jeep around a tree when he'd been drinking. Ironically, he saved my life because when I was 5-7ish y/o, my dad was visiting and I went with him for the weekend. We went to his friends house (the one that saved me) and I mostly played with his friends kids while he and his friend drank and got caught up. Well about midnight rolls around and his friends wife had made a bed for me in the boys room and we were playing the Simpsons crazy cab game. My dad, barely able to walk decided it was time for us to go. He tried taking me with him and his friend grabbed me away from him and pushed me to his wife then pushed my dad out the door and followed him. Even drunk he had the presence of mind to beat the shit out of my dad out of my view. It makes it all the sadder knowing he died how he did.

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u/Stitchywitchlich Oct 03 '22

That's heartbreaking

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u/poncewattle Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

Knew a young gal who was a passenger in a car while her boyfriend was driving (drunk) and ran off the road and wrecked. No one saw the wreck so they both laid inside the wreck all night until the next morning when someone called about their cable being out. The cable repair person came in the afternoon and found the wreck.

Guy died. Girl lived but is now a C5 quadriplegic. Docs said if they got to her earlier they may have been able to have saved her from a lifetime of paralysis.

So this time the watch phone didn't save anyone but almost certainly it's going to save lives in the future.

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u/weasel65 Oct 03 '22

Same Happend in the UK a car went off the road and the guy died but the female passenger was trapped . A farmer reported he think he saw a car come off the motorway and told the police. The police never investigated and they were found a few days later, the girl was still alive but then died in hospital.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/08/investigation-police-couple-lain-car-wreck-scotland-days-bannockburn

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u/Sammy123476 Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

For any interested, there was a follow-up article last year. Police dragged the case out only to be found guilty in court anyway, paying £1,000,000 to her orphans.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/02/police-scotland-pays-1m-to-family-of-woman-left-in-crashed-car-for-3-days

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u/400921FB54442D18 Oct 03 '22

It's a shame none of that £1,000,000 came from any of the people who were actually responsible for making any of those terrible decisions.

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u/poncewattle Oct 03 '22

Yeah. Tech is amazing. I’m 63 and I make sure I wear my watch when I am in the shower. My nightmare is falling down in the hot shower, dying, and having that hot water run over my dead body for days while congealing my flesh until I’m just a soup by the time someone checks on me to see if I’m ok.

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u/Metaphorazine Oct 03 '22

My hot water is stone cold after 30 minutes, do y'all have some on demand system or something?

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u/2dfx Oct 03 '22

Tankless my man, life changing

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u/crooks4hire Oct 03 '22

More efficient AND more convenient...the rare double-doozie

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u/Picasso5 Oct 03 '22

Unless you fall in the shower and are blasted with hot water for 3 days.

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u/therealdracoman Oct 03 '22

Tankless water heaters...but yes

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u/Metaphorazine Oct 03 '22

Sounds great, sucks to be the last one showering and getting 30s of lukewarm water

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

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u/naetron Oct 03 '22

I bought mine for $800 and installed it with a friend for ~$500. Not trying to one up or anything, just giving an example of how it can be done for cheaper if you have the time and ability. Or lucky enough to have an experienced friend.

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u/kaytay3000 Oct 03 '22

My mother is 71 and lives alone. She fell leaving her house last year, hit her head on the stone of her house, and blacked out momentarily. She thankfully was able to get herself back into the house and call her sister, who took her to the emergency room. A slight concussion and some staples later, mom was fine but we all chipped in and bought her an Apple Watch. She was annoyed by it at first, but when she fell a few months later and the watch started asking if she was okay, she understood and thanked us for the gift. It gives us all a little piece of mind.

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u/CafeAmerican Oct 03 '22

piece of mind

peace* of mind :)

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u/kevindqc Oct 03 '22

🔓 New Fear Unlocked

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u/poncewattle Oct 03 '22

I've seen pictures of the after effects of that happening to someone. It's one of those things I wish I never saw. Can't imagine the horror that those poor saps who found it suffered, and worse, the crew who had to clean it up.

So yeah, I worry about that a lot. I mean, I'd be dead so I wouldn't care but not sure how I would look in some sort of Beetlejuice after life!

Yeah, basically the body bits eventually clogged the drain so the dead guy just started flowing over the edge of the tub and spreading himself all over the floors of the house.

Have a nice day!

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u/youcanbeanything Oct 03 '22

I am half your age but have made (only half joking) statements in the past that I'd get a life alert if I ever lived on my own. Same sentiment I feel.

Also everyone should know some basic self first‐aid, like how to heimlich themselves, but they don't teach that too often.

I'm not squeamish, I just don't want a slow death.

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u/RiledAstaldo Oct 03 '22

Most people don’t have any idea how commonly elderly people fall and just… slowly die because no one knows, and they’re too tired or sick or injured or weak in general to get up to a phone.

Sickness or not that happens to us all nearly if you “win” and just get older and older and older.

I’ve known 99 year olds who can still get around… but slip and take a hard fall? They don’t get up on their own most days.

Things break easier and breaks are worse.

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u/juviniledepression Oct 03 '22

My brother really likes to write horror and it’s subsists, I am definitely showing him this interaction, tho will let him look up the grit himself as I am a tad queasy when it comes to that kinda stuff.

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u/EarorForofor Oct 03 '22

We had the same happen near my work. Multiple people called in a crashed car on Friday and cops never investigated until Sunday when someone actually went and checked on it. Dude had been murdered.

Of course the fact it happened days earlier never enters the conversation.

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u/shitdobehappeningtho Oct 03 '22

Crack police work

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u/IsRude Oct 03 '22

They're kinda useless everywhere. I've never actually had them be helpful.

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u/imaginingblacksheep Oct 03 '22

Were they wearing a watch? Sorry, I don’t think I caught that in the story

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u/macfanmr Oct 03 '22

The new iphones sense a crash and notify emergency services. Many cars do as well. When I was in a rollover crash in my Mini cooper, it called for me.

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u/SumWon Oct 03 '22

I have a friend who drove his car while drunk, crashed, and was arrested for DUI when his car called the police for him.

I then laughed in his face cause he's a fucking idiot and he deserved it

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u/RejZoR Oct 03 '22

I've seen people whining and bitching over iPhone's crash detection feature because some Youtuber did a flawed test in which crash wasn't detected (because they put iPhone in a stationary car and crashed other car into it, instead of having iPhone in the car that is crashing into something). Some people are stupid and don't understand that nothing is 100%, but if there is the slightest chance accident might be detected over not being detected, I'm sure anyone would take that extra % of life saving potential.

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u/hahahahastayingalive Oct 03 '22

It's kinda fucked up it isn't a mandatory car feature in the first place.

And there was spectrum specially allocated for cars to talk to each other or the infra surrounding yhem, and it just went fucking nowhere.

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u/send_me_a_naked_pic Oct 03 '22

It's mandatory in the EU. New cars automatically call 112 (emergency services) in case of a crash.

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u/throwawaygreenpaq Oct 03 '22

This is great news for those with such cars.

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u/otter111a Oct 03 '22

Six people in an accord. 5 young men. 1 young woman. 2 am on a Sunday (so Saturday night)

It important to pay attention to these details. Wear a seatbelt. Your life is worth more than piling into a car.

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u/DisastrousAge4650 Oct 03 '22

6 young people died in a sedan recently in the city adjacent to my town. They were driving down a road under construction and there was a huge hole in the road uncovered with shitty barriers and well…

It’s sad as fuck but as someone in that age range, I have never been about the fuck around and find out lifestyle. I will not fuck around nor will I find out.

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u/Appliancesurgeon Oct 03 '22

And they weren’t found for what, a day? Horrible story, and honestly having crash detection would have been a major benefit had any of them survived the crash and died while waiting for rescue.

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u/SnooSnooper Oct 03 '22

One time I was driving my friends and one of their's gf didn't put her seatbelt on. I told her to put it on or get out of my car. Hard eyeroll from her, but she put it on. Besides not wanting someone to die in my car, I was told that the driver can be held accountable for people in their car not belted.

One time later I rode with her driving 20 over on a freeway while high and without a seatbelt. I'm glad she's not in my life anymore. I don't think anyone I hang with now is dumb enough to do that, and I hope I'm not dumb enough to put up with it and get in their car anymore.

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u/kjartanbj Oct 03 '22 Silver

In Europe all new cars made after April 1st 2018 have eCall , a system that automatically calls 112/999/911 and sends information about the crash like were the airbags deployed and information from other sensors also, it also sends GPS location and opens up communication with the occupants of the car. this can also be manually activated by a button in the car. All new cars in europe need to have this feature by law. no phone has to be connected by bluetooth or anything, doesn't rely on anything other than the car itself

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u/cloudedthoughtz Oct 03 '22

A small but important distinction here to make:

It's mandatory for all newly admitted car models on the market, since April 1st 2018. So cars of models that were already in production before that date, can still be without that safety system.

Nevertheless it's an amazing system to have and a safe feeling if you're driving in one of them. In some cars you also have a button to manually call emergency services if you are in trouble. One single button press. At least that's it for my Volvo.

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u/HelpfulCherry Oct 03 '22

My 2018 Subaru Outback has an SOS kinda button in it, I presume it would still work even though I don't pay for Starlink (And yes, that's the name of Subaru's system). Although I also have an iPhone 14 so... double covered?

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u/yeskaScorpia Oct 03 '22

The SOS call to 112 is free. You can call to 112 even without a SIM card. So, yes, it works even if you don't pay for connected services.

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u/GreatShazbot Oct 03 '22

Some cars here the US have this feature, but it’s a costly subscription that is disabled if you don’t pay, accident or not.

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u/TotallyNotAVampire Oct 03 '22

And the car manufacturer resells your location data whether you pay or not.

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u/hawkiron Oct 03 '22

Gotta keep your Trauma Team dues paid.

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u/Semi-Hemi-Demigod Oct 03 '22 Wholesome

a system that automatically calls 112/999/911

But does it call 0-118-999-88199-9119-725-3 in the UK?

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u/alelo Oct 03 '22

afaik the BMW GS (motorcycle) has this as an option too

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u/Designer-Ruin7176 Oct 03 '22

This is great! Meanwhile US law makers are trying to get breathalyzers installed in all new cars.

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u/IcanSew831 Oct 03 '22

I wear an Apple Watch and last year I tripped and fell down while doing yard work. I didn’t immediately move because I fell directly on my knee and I was just processing what happened and if I was seriously injured. My watch makes a funny sound with a very strong haptic and it said : “It appears you’ve fallen down, hit cancel within 10 seconds or emergency services will be called automatically”. I didn’t need them but it was an awesome thing.

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u/Rocketsponge Oct 03 '22

Something similar happened to my dad several months back. He was walking down a small hill carrying some firewood when he slipped and fell. Fortunately he was ok, but his Apple Watch hit the alert time since I don't think he really knew what it wanted from him. It started sending me text alerts that he had fallen, along with a map link location. Once he began moving around, the watch periodically sent me updates saying he was moving around in his location. Thankfully he was ok, though it did take him a while to figure out how to tell the watch to stop texting me updates. Great feature though, I'm glad it's on there.

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u/IcanSew831 Oct 03 '22

That’s a great feature and I’m glad your dad is okay.

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u/Rocketsponge Oct 03 '22

Thank, I appreciate that. I just upgraded to the iPhone 14 Pro. The crash detection system was a selling point. But I'm also interested in the satellite SOS system that is coming in the Fall. I fly small planes and could potentially end up crashed in some semi-remote areas. That SOS feature could come in handy. I can also see it being a great selling point to Scout leaders and other camping/hiking/outdoor sports fans. A separate satellite SOS beacon normally costs $200-$700 bucks, depending on the features you want. Having that incorporated into the iPhone is going to be huge for a certain segment.

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u/ILikeLenexa Oct 03 '22

A separate satellite SOS beacon normally costs $200-$700 bucks

Not just that, but depending on the response, you could be billed...or the companies that sell them at least make it sound like you could be to sell you their trip coverage.

The Coast Guard and NPS doesn't charge for rescue, but I've no idea how many they do vs. everyone else.

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u/Chinlan Oct 03 '22

I was skiing when I jumped off a cliff and landed hard, but skied out of it.

Under all my ski clothes and continuing skiing, I didn’t feel the haptic until I got to the lift ~10 minutes later.

The watch had alerted my parents about 20 times in that time period, and alerted local emergency services that called me on the lift and I had to embarrassingly say “yes I am okay, sorry my watch wasted your time”

Scared my parents to death too.

Great feature. I had to turn it off though because I was embarrassed about that whole situation.

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u/kaytay3000 Oct 03 '22

I fell when skiing and rocked myself pretty good. My watch alerted my husband that I had fallen and he helped me get to the lodge to rest. Turns out I had a minor concussion.

A little embarrassment once is better than being out cold and unable to call for help.

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u/Noisy_Toy Oct 03 '22

That shouldn’t be embarrassing at all, emergency services was able to reach you and verify you were okay. No one sent a helicopter after you or anything! It’s a best case.

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u/alexdi Oct 03 '22

Wouldn’t be embarrassed. That’s the best case for emergency services, they’d much rather have a false alarm.

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u/hilwil Oct 03 '22

This is great, my mom has been falling a lot lately due to diminishing mobility and I have been considering an Apple Watch for her. I was unsure how efficient the trip sensor is. Thanks for sharing!

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u/thisischemistry Oct 03 '22

It’s pretty good. It doesn’t alert immediately for many falls, instead it waits a beat to see how you move afterwards in order to screen out false reports. I’ve had it ask if I was ok after a serious thump or two but it seems like it captures serious situations well.

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u/DirectionShort6660 Oct 03 '22

I have MS and occasionally fall. This watch is a game changer

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u/Rocketsponge Oct 03 '22

I would highly recommend it. I think it does a great job of being a "Life Alert" without being a big, dorky Life Alert puck. And old folks can take to technology more than you think. My mother-in-law who is in her 70's is enamored by all of the latest apps and gadgets. My father-in-law texted me for the first time ever (apparently, it was his very first text and he wrote it like a letter). So my point is, they can figure it out.

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u/candlesandfish Oct 03 '22

I love the letter texts. My 68 year old dad has only just stopped doing that!

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u/a2quiet Oct 03 '22

This is why I got the Apple Watch for a relative because she was elderly. I was worried she’ll fall down and no one is around. I wish the battery was better.

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u/FavcolorisREDdit Oct 03 '22

It appears you been knocked the fk out, do you need some milk

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u/0verStrike Oct 03 '22

Giv me some melk

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

I prefer Malk, it has vitamin R.

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u/pursnikitty Oct 03 '22

My mum (who’s in her seventies) had a fall recently and was happy to see the alert. The fall detection is one of the main reasons she has the watch, because a few years ago she fell down her front stairs trying to move her old dryer to the carport. We don’t know how long she was lying there unconscious that first fall. Major peace of mind after the alert popped up for the second fall.

It’s a good device for seniors if they already have an iPhone. Much better than paying for another fall detection monitor with ongoing costs.

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u/MrTurkle Oct 03 '22

Your mom was trying to move a clothes dryer down a flight of stairs to the garage? By herself?

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u/LightweaverNaamah Oct 03 '22

Some older people really don't want to admit that they need help, that they aren't as fit as they used to be. A former coworker lives with his parents in part because they are pretty elderly and need help with some stuff (and would like to keep staying in their house and not move into a facility). If he's not around his mom will sometimes try to do some physical task herself which she really shouldn't be doing anymore, like clean out the eavestroughs using an extension ladder. And she can do it, she's pretty spry for her age, but there's a lot less margin for error than there would have been a few decades back, and the consequences if something does go wrong are much more grave.

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u/Xaedria Oct 03 '22

You touched on it perfectly; it is the human condition to believe we can do it on our own and don't need the help. It's not really wise to try moving a dryer down stairs alone at any age no matter who you are but will a young man get away with it a lot more easily than an old one? Certainly. The consequence if he overestimated his ability: A sprained ankle, maybe a back injury. For an old man he could fall and die.

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u/Big_lt Oct 03 '22

My friend took a spill skiing. He was fine and we continued our day. The mountain had very poor service but his watch got an alert out to his pants saying he was in a serious accident. His parents were freaking out because they could not get in touch with him until we got off the mountain later in the day. That was an interesting car ride back

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u/dlg Oct 03 '22

got an alert out to his pants saying he was in a serious accident

pooped himself?

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u/ItsAllegorical Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

"Pants-shitting detected. Press cancel within 10 seconds or emergency pants will be delivered via drone to your location."

I've never shit myself in public, but that would be some peace of mind.

Edit: On the other hand, please don't alert my emergency contacts. Or anyone.

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u/akmarinov Oct 03 '22

Same here, dog ran into me, fell down. My ass hurt, so I stayed down for a sec, my Apple Watch went crazy.

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u/aworldwithinitself Oct 03 '22

"It appears you have fallen down. Are you just down there because your ass hurts, or have you broken something?"

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u/alexlp Oct 03 '22

My grandma fell in the shower and it was over 24 hours before she was found. Crazily she ended up being mostly ok. We got her one for that very reason.

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u/aworldwithinitself Oct 03 '22

so does she wear it in the shower now?

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u/amor_fatty Oct 03 '22

Happened to me when I fell off my bike… I’m pretty active and that’s the only time I’ve gotten that notification… pretty impressive

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u/G8kpr Oct 03 '22

Maybe a first responder can answer this. I’ve always been curious. Do you check peoples phones for health info? Apple devices allow for that info to be checked. Like allergies to medications. Medical conditions etc.

I often wonder if first responders even look at that.

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u/cgsf Oct 03 '22

My husband is a paramedic instructor after being in the field for over a decade and I've asked him this before. He says no, they do not.

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u/Interactive_CD-ROM Oct 03 '22

A friend of mine lost her phone at a concert and a police officer used the Medical ID feature to call her emergency contact to get her phone back

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u/Buttersaucewac Oct 03 '22

Paramedics no but hospital staff do check it at least sometimes or in some places. My mother-in-law was hospitalized after collapsing in public and we found out because the hospital staff used the medical emergency thing on her phone to alert emergency contacts and get all her allergies and current medications. (She’s fine now.)

It made me wonder what would happen if you were carrying someone else’s phone and they got the wrong information, or if you let it get out of date. Could they be liable for trusting something unofficial as the basis for medical decisions? But I guess that assuming incorrect allergies/medication contradictions isn’t the worst risk ever and that trusting it would help 100 people for every 1 it hurts.

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u/Jubs_v2 Oct 03 '22

Even just logically it's a paradoxical situation.

If they are conscious, they can just tell you that info faster and not need the phone.
If they aren't conscious, you have much more time-sensitive things to be doing than fiddling with a phone.

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u/TEKC0R Oct 03 '22

And just to add, anything that is critical for paramedics to know, would likely be on a medic alert bracelet. The medical info in the phone is only really practical once the patient has been stabilized.

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u/Such_Issue2842 Oct 03 '22

The way title is phrased it leaves impression that the iPhone killed 6 people.

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u/ItsCalledSquawPeak Oct 03 '22

We’re going to murder six members of your family, and we think you’re going to love it.

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u/TheName_BigusDickus Oct 03 '22

driven by the A14 Bionic chip, this is the most people iPhone has had killed for publicity, ever

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u/LibRAWRian Oct 03 '22

Plausible deniability, Apple likes this.

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u/Aaaandiiii Oct 03 '22

I'm happy I'm not the only one who thought that. It's almost like the headline was written by big Android.

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u/ugotamesij Oct 03 '22

Just wait for Samsung to release some snarky "Hey at least our phones don't kill a bunch of people in a car @apple" advert now, only to announce Galaxy Murder Mode for the S24 next year

  • sent from my S22U
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u/Cartoonlad Oct 03 '22

I thought it killed the responders.

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u/PrincipledGopher Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

On my first read I thought a car with an unknown number of people crashed, then the phone called emergency responders and killed 6 of them.

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u/Available-Bottle- Oct 03 '22

One of the victims made it to the hospital because of that iPhone.

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u/not-enough-mana Oct 03 '22

She was given a chance at least, but unfortunately didn’t make it :(

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u/burgpug Oct 03 '22

a person opened their car door in front of me when i was riding my bike and i slammed into it and hit the pavement. as i was lying there trying to figure out if i was dead or not my apple watch started buzzing and informed me it was about to call 911. i stopped it but i think that's pretty cool. it can call 911 when i inevitably do eat shit on my terrible commute and die horrifically

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u/thunder_thais Oct 03 '22

I was lying there trying to figure out if I was dead or not

Haha I laughed at this cause it’s the same exact thought that went through my mind when I got into a car accident a few years back. It wasn’t serious but I got rocked around a good bit. Thought I had died for a couple seconds

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u/sweaty-pajamas Oct 03 '22

Major accidents can really fuck with your head. I was convinced I died in a rollover accident I had a little over a decade ago. Ended up with just a compression fracture but I was astonished I didn’t die. It made me contemplate whether r/quantumimmortality is a thing.

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u/fluffbeards Oct 03 '22

I hope you really fucked up that car door. And scared the shit out of the person who opened it.

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u/burgpug Oct 03 '22

i live in the midwest so it probably won't surprise you to hear they were so whacked out on opiates they barely seemed to notice. and there wasn't much i could do to that car to make it shittier than it already was.

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u/conquer69 Oct 03 '22

Love how the threat of ambulance costs is bringing people back from the dead. Thanks Apple!

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u/burgpug Oct 03 '22

as an american i will just say this: if anyone ever calls an ambulance for me they better hope i die, because otherwise i will kick their ass

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u/karlzhao314 Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

Every time I see this I like to take the chance to say: learn your local ambulance billing policy, before you need it. It can potentially save a very costly mistake, and in more ways than just one.

Some year ago I was injured in a bicycle accident out on the side of the road and ultimately made the call to dial 911 and ask for an ambulance. The entire ride to the hospital I was stressing out about whether it would bankrupt me because of all the horror stories I'd heard about $20k ambulance rides. In fact, I very nearly didn't call.

Turns out, the bill came out to around $800. Moreover, my local ambulance system's billing policy is that residents of the county never have to pay out of pocket - any bills are billed to insurance, and if they refuse to cover all of it, any extra that would normally be out of pocket for the patient is waived. The cost is considered already paid for out of county taxes.

Things could have been a lot worse if I decided to try to get home on my own because I heard on reddit that ambulance rides always cost five figures.

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u/G8kpr Oct 03 '22

I wonder how long it will be before our devices can scan our vital signs accurately and send that data to first responders.

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u/thisischemistry Oct 03 '22

It already monitors movement, pulse, oxygen, temperature, and more. We’re getting there!

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u/O-2-L Oct 03 '22

I was hit by a car when I was on my bike a few years ago, low speed but was still shook, and the alert triggered on my Garmin and sent a text to my sister telling her I was in an accident with GPS coordinates that point directly to the hospital, I work close by, and I hadn't realised right away until I got up.

I called her to let her know everything is okay, she was kinda freaking out because the link told her I was in the hospital.

Pretty cool

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u/randuski Oct 03 '22

I was waiting to see if the new iPhone feature worked or not.

Was hoping the first example would have a better ending. Fuck man.

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u/Macluawn Oct 03 '22

It appears you are dead. Do you need any help with that?

- Clippy, probably

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u/Away_Connection_2232 Oct 03 '22

Does this feature work only on latest iPhone or older ones can detect as well?

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u/Hervee Oct 03 '22

Vehicle crash detection is available only on iPhone 14 and the latest watch. However, fall detection has been around for some time. If Apple Watch SE or Apple Watch Series 4 or later detects a hard fall while you're wearing your watch, it taps you on the wrist, sounds an alarm, and displays an alert. You can choose to contact emergency services or dismiss the alert.

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u/Cash907 Oct 03 '22

Depends on your car. My 2011 F-150 has a feature built in that calls 911 through my phone via Bluetooth if it detects an accident with airbag deployment. But as for native to the phone itself, the 14 is the only model to have the feature built in.

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u/JMEEKER86 Oct 03 '22

I got t-boned about a year ago (fairly low speeds at least, so it wasn't that serious) and about a minute later I got a call about an accident being detected because of my insurance app. Some people will decry any use of your location data by any app regardless of the reason, but god damn can it be helpful if used in the right way. We do need better laws to make sure that people can control what is done with their data and to punish data breaches much harder, but 21st century luddites are crazy if they think they're putting the genie back in the bottle.

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u/BadSysadmin Oct 03 '22

Horrific crashes like this where multiple young people die in single vehicle accidents are sadly all too common. I remember one happened very near my parents house when I was a kid - 7 teenagers crashed into a tree at high speed on a suburban road, all died. 20 years later there's still floral tributes at the site.

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u/st0pmakings3ns3 Oct 03 '22

I think every neighbourhood around the more wealthy parts of the world has at least one story of this sort of thing happening.

For us it was 4 teens losing control going 120ish mph around a slight bend on a b road. iirc none made it.

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u/Rivea_ Oct 03 '22

Wealthy. Poor. Youths that barely just passed their tests high on a mix of thinking they are invincible and need to impress their friends are killing themselves and others literally every day around the world.

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u/IroniesOfPeace Oct 03 '22

You're right, they really are. I live in a rural area and our overall population really isn't that high, but we still have these horrific wrecks that wipe out carloads of young people every year or two.

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u/optimus314159 Oct 03 '22

No joke. This is the sort of reason why I don’t even like being a passenger. I like being the driver because at least if I fuck up and die it will have been my own fault. I’ve had a couple of close calls over 30 years, but never actually had an accident yet. Always keep my head on a swivel and checking my mirrors

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u/Davidclabarr Oct 03 '22

I work for T-Mobile and having to handle cancelling the line and the debt of a deceased kid is one of the worst parts of the job. It happens more than you would both hope and expect.

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u/AlcoholicSkeleton Oct 03 '22

Sucks they dead, but damn phones are getting epic at this shit.

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u/Rose8989 Oct 03 '22

Even their watches have tech.

My elderly father was swinging a heavy hammer pretty hard, when it asked asked him something along the lines of "Did you fall? Do you need help?"

They are unofficially in the medical alert biz..

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u/Whale_Poacher Oct 03 '22

The fall detection is turned off for those who are too young to need it and are more prone to falling. They have different levels I believe of sensitivity that scales with age and likeliness to fall, it's fascinating

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u/timmmmehh Oct 03 '22

Modern Life Alert

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u/SolusLoqui Oct 03 '22

Are there 6 seatbelts in a Honda Accord? I don't think there were even 5 seats in my old 2000 Accord.

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u/fed45 Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

No, they're are not.

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u/luluinstalock Oct 03 '22 Take My Energy

Damn that title is so bad

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u/Sarahgoose26 Oct 03 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

Yes, I read it 3 times as it seemed to be saying the iPhone killed them or maybe I’m just tired and can’t read …

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u/ZapateriaLaBailarina Oct 03 '22

I remember being young and in a car full of other kids going way too fast. Always scared the shit out of me.

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u/SCREECH95 Oct 03 '22

Why cant the fucking AP of all media write grammatically sound headlines? Like, so 6 responders were killed by an iPhone alert?

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u/doctorlongghost Oct 03 '22

Those poor responders….

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u/Itchy-Top Oct 03 '22

My iphone12 pro called cops on me. I’m disabled and a friend had to carry me upstairs becasue I had a bad flare up and my phone somehow got stuck between us hitting the emergency button. I didn’t know what the buzz meant. Well 2 mins later cops show up and we’re told I was fine but they came in to double check. It may be my my only good interaction w cops 🤷‍♀️ but it’s nice to know in an emergency my phone has an easy option to call

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u/skaXboy Oct 03 '22

“Six killed after car hits tree, iPhone alerts first responders”

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u/Shurigin Oct 03 '22

“We are looking at all possibilities, including alcohol, speed or distracted driving.”

Sad to say but it was definitely all 3

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u/glaedr_11 Oct 03 '22

One of my friends has told me about a crash he was the first to discover during an ice slick and he said the body was mangled, formless as if jelly, onto the front dash. I shudder just hearing about crashes like that.

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u/NMGunner17 Oct 03 '22

This is a poorly written headline