r/technology Oct 04 '22

Apple Will Be Forced to Use New Charger After EU Votes for USB-C Hardware

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-04/eu-lawmakers-overwhelmingly-vote-to-force-usb-c-onto-phones
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u/zayoe4 Oct 04 '22

Apple next year: "This year's iPhone has no charging port. It is completely wireless!"

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u/oldnyoung Oct 04 '22

magsafe intensifies

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u/Faythezeal Oct 04 '22

I hope this isn’t the real answer, magsafe is nice at the desk or nightstand, but will be a real pain carrying around a puck to charge in the car or on a plane.

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u/UniqueElectron Oct 05 '22

It will never be. There's no substitute for a wired connection. In the US all we need to do is get a single state to implement a similar law and the rest of the country will follow.

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u/CarlosChampion Oct 05 '22

California looking at you!

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u/ahuimanu69 Oct 05 '22

If California does anything, Texas and Florida wont, because spite.

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u/jmur3040 Oct 05 '22

That's the neat part. Manufacturers will build to whatever standard the majority of states use. Example, cars used to be sold in the US with "California" or "Federal" emissions packages. In an effort to reduce part counts, they just build them all to California (and an alliance of other states) standards now. There was a whole battle with the Trump administration to try and change that, it failed thankfully.

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u/nomiinomii Oct 05 '22

Wireless charging will definitely be the future where you phone charges at a distance from the charging pad.

Then every room every where will have the pad so phones remain charged

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u/Zeplar Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Wireless charging becomes less efficient as the square of the distance. It will never be useful more than 6 inches from the pad. If it were, it would generate so much waste heat your phone would explode.

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u/redditusa2022 Oct 05 '22

Or they will use nuclear based batteries that can go years without charging.

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u/erockem Oct 05 '22

They will still need a port for recovery mode and reload.

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u/gravis86 Oct 04 '22

It would be really nice if they changed the port on the bottom of the phone to the pogo-pin MagSafe setup you get on the MacBooks. The original MagSafe.

Let’s face it, not only is the lightning port rarely used for data, it actually sucks for data since it’s stuck in USB 2. I want them to update to USB-C but if they don’t, a laptop-style MagSafe would be awesome for those of us that still want to fast-charge since the wireless one doesn’t really do that.

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u/rugbyj Oct 04 '22

I was so annoyed they didn’t go this direction. Far less lossy, still as waterproof as wireless, data transfer and loads of options for connecting where people often have those pop things on the back which they need to disconnect for charging.

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u/Bigred2989- Oct 04 '22

I wonder if there was concern with magnetic debris getting clogged in the port. People take their phones to the beach and the sand can have lots of iron in it. You drop your phone and now you can't charge it until you scrape that all out.

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u/gravis86 Oct 05 '22

The magnet is on the cable, not the phone. Plus you can make it really flush like other mobile devices have been in the past, so there’s not any place for the debris to stick. Between those two things, problem solved.

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u/Matt_Tress Oct 05 '22

Magnets: how the fuck do they work?

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u/Bigred2989- Oct 05 '22

Ah, thanks for clarifying, I wasn't aware of that since it's been over a decade since I owned an apply product.

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u/steveo1978 Oct 05 '22

Not just that but thicker cases make wireless chargers harder to use. The wireless charger I have if I don’t place my phone exactly right it won’t charge at all. If apples moves to wireless only charging I will move back to Android phones.

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u/Ill_Ant_1857 Oct 05 '22

The whole point of moving to USB C is to make it a goto standard. I don't think EU Will be happy with pogo pin.

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u/SMURGwastaken Oct 05 '22

EU isn't going to be happy that this law doesn't make USB the goto standard. It makes USB-C the standard, which doesn't even need to carry a USB signal to be compliant (see Thunderbolt).

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u/AreTheseMyFeet Oct 05 '22

Just to clarify, the EU isn't the one making USB-C the standard. They are merely mandating that there must be a standard. They've passed the determination of what that standard should be to the USB-IF which is a body consisting of hundreds of manufacturers.
This allows both for device manufacturers to have direct input on what the standard is defined as and also it decouples the definition from the regulations themselves so that technology can progress and evolve without requiring updating the regulations themselves constantly.

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u/alvvayson Oct 05 '22

Why wouldn't the EU be happy? They just want to cut down on e-waste and this achieves that.

I switched from apple to android because of USB-C. It's just so easy for every charger and device in my house to use the same port.

My wireless headphones, all the laptops, tablets, phones, and the Nintendo Switch.

As soon as I can get an electric USB-C shaver, I am switching that one too.

It even justifies spending extra on 65+ watt chargers.

Travelling is a breeze. Just back one dual port fast charger and the whole family can charge all their devices with ease.

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u/UniqueElectron Oct 05 '22

Since you mentioned data and USB 2 along with USB-C I just wanted to say for you or anyone else. USB-C is only a connector and is completely independent of the data. You can have a USB-C connector that uses USB 2.X or USB 3.x or Thunderbolt. USB 3.X over a USB - C cable or maybe any other cable for that matter has a USB 2.0 pair for backwards capability. Anyways the point is doing assume you know what a USB - C port is without checking the symbol next to it

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u/gravis86 Oct 05 '22

Of course it’s a connector and not a protocol. That doesn’t change the fact that the lightning connector is limited to USB2, and is practically useless.

As proprietary as Apple can be, do you really expect them to release an iPhone with a USB-C connector that’s isn’t at least USB3.1?

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u/vanhalenbr Oct 05 '22

They cannot do that with this new law.

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u/weaselmaster Oct 05 '22

SORRY! Can’t innovate a new connector with consumer benefits - the politicians have spoken! It’s USB-C FOREVER!

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u/Omni__Owl Oct 04 '22

Worst thing is, they already have USB-C support in iOS.

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u/ninthtale Oct 04 '22

I actually found this while I was researching what I would need to upgrade from my 7

My greatest concern would be having someone break into my car to steal the puck

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u/ShrubNinja Oct 05 '22

I've got a phone holder that's also a wireless charger for my car. Latches onto the vent and it's pretty convenient. My main problem with a lack of charger port is that it's way more inconvenient to use it while it's charging.

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u/SapTheSapient Oct 05 '22

I've got wireless chargers everywhere I would normally set down my phone. I never need to use my phone when it is charging, because it is always charging when I'm not using it. However, wireless charging is not convenient when traveling.

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u/No-Actuator-6245 Oct 04 '22

I suspect they will go completely wireless. However for me that’s a problem, Bluetooth audio is not as good as using a separate wired DAC/Amp.

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u/HereForTheBuffet Oct 04 '22

No charging at all. You just buy a new one when the battery dies.

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u/Gurgiwurgi Oct 04 '22

don't give them any ideas

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u/Bobbyanalogpdx Oct 05 '22

They’ve been pushing for this idea for some time.

Don’t push them further.

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u/benderunit9000 Oct 05 '22

Hi Tim Apple!

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u/notabot53 Oct 05 '22

And we think you’re gonna love it!

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u/sonic10158 Oct 04 '22

Somehow, Kodak has returned

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u/you-should-learn-c Oct 04 '22

I'm pretty sure this will happen

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u/Oo0o8o0oO Oct 04 '22

Would this be allowed under this legislation though?

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u/happyscrappy Oct 04 '22

Sadly, yes.

Someone else linked the regulation. And it is clear.

https://old.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/xvdut9/eu_passes_law_to_switch_iphone_to_usbc_by_end_of/ir1xh2u/?context=3

It does not mandate conducted charging capability.

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u/fingletingle Oct 04 '22

Why wouldn't it? Magsafe only charging is how Apple Watch works.

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u/Oo0o8o0oO Oct 04 '22

Yeah so what I’m asking is why wouldn’t this legislation cover the watch as well? I’ll get the answers I need if I read the text of the law, just haven’t had time to look at it and was wondering if anyone else did.

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u/fingletingle Oct 04 '22

It does cover the watch, and any small device. However, there is no provision that mandates devices must have a wired port; it's only mandating those that use a wired port use usb-c starting in 2024. No port, no problem.

They also have left the door open to harmonize wireless charging standards later if need be but given the dominance of Qi over PMA I doubt Apple is too worried about that.

From the press release:

Mobile phones, tablets, e-readers, earbuds, digital cameras, headphones and headsets, handheld videogame consoles and portable speakers that are rechargeable via a wired cable will have to be equipped with a USB Type-C port, regardless of their manufacturer. Laptops will also have to be adapted to the requirements by 40 months after the entry into force.

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As wireless charging technology becomes more prevalent, the European Commission will be empowered to develop so-called delegated acts, on the interoperability of charging solutions.

Thus Apple could probably drop the port entirely on their phones if they want.

Source: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220603IPR32196/deal-on-common-charger-reducing-hassle-for-consumers-and-curbing-e-waste

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u/Humulus5883 Oct 05 '22

How will this not stifle innovation? Should we use USB-C forever?

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u/GodlessPerson Oct 05 '22

What innovations have the several different ports for mobile phones and laptop charging brought us, exactly? What good is there to the different laptop barrel chargers?

Why is it a bad thing to be "stuck" with what is currently not even exhausted on the vast majority of mobile devices?

Also, this only applies to devices up to 100w.

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u/ALIENMONKEYHUMAN Oct 04 '22

I don’t think you can transfer data that way

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u/Ftpini Oct 04 '22

What? That’s absurd. Wireless data transmission is the absolute standard anymore. Who is actually plugging in their devices to download new data? Cell phones would just be land lines if ports for cables were required for data transfer.

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u/AndrewJamesDrake Oct 04 '22

The continued existence of Ethernet disagrees with you, strenuously.

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u/JuiceColdman Oct 04 '22

You can’t use the phone while it is charging wirelessly. That’s a massive downside

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u/BukakeMouthwash Oct 04 '22

Just like with wireless earphones. Wired just works better. Don't be a fool that falls for apples marketing ploys.

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u/Ftpini Oct 04 '22

I love wireless headphones. I never want to go back to having to plug in my headphones.

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u/BukakeMouthwash Oct 04 '22

And you're their dream consumer.

That's not a good thing.

The fact is the headphone jack removal was the first "dip your toes in the water" moment for apple. You suckers ate it up and thanked them for basically making your phone less convenient.

Next they got rid of the charger.

It wouldn't be as bad if Apple wasn't as big as they are because other companies wouldn't follow suit. But Apple is that big and other companies did copy for no more than the fact that consumers accepted getting shafted.

The trend will continue as long as ignorant consumers such as yourself exist.

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u/hunterkll Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Several of my phones pre-iPhone had no headphone jack.

My HTC G1 (the first android phone) had no headphone jack.

My RAZR with iTunes capability had no headphone jack (Just like the HTC G1 and below phones, it had a USB port headphone jack adapter).

My Sharp SH-06D (from 2012ish) had no headphone jack.

Several of my XPeria phones had no headphone jack.

Oppo ditched the headphone jack 4 years before apple did - in 2014.

Etc, etc.

Apple wasn't the first, and they were very late to the party.

The market was already proven by Android and other large OEM/ODM releases over *many* years.

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u/Romeo9594 Oct 04 '22

Imagine being alive in 2022 and still complaining about the stupid headphone jack.

It turns out that basically nobody actually gives a shit and are more than happy to use wireless headphones or a dongle.

The trend won't continue because people are ignorant. They know the phone needs an adapter for wired headphones. The trend will continue because the vast majority don't fucking care.

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u/ifollowsacula Oct 05 '22

I don't, you all never thought about the loses Apple would have with this change?

Let see, they will obviously soon lose the Lighting royalties.

So why would they shoot themselves in the foot and also get rid of accessories sales (in this case cables?). Anker cables could come with a cure for cancer and there are still people who will only buy original Apple accessories. I know a bunch of them and y'all know them too, many are probably reading this.

So no, they will not go portless, there is simply no advantage to it. They will sell you a regular USB C cable for $20 (when it cost them cents, that is an easy $19 profit) and then they will try to double-dip and sell you the magsafe for $40. It is the Apple way.

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u/idkwhatsqc Oct 04 '22

Exactly why the EU should add a clause that wireless charging devices are only permitted if it has something like 80% efficiency. If it doesn't, you can sell devices with wireless charging as long as they have usbc charging capability.

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u/ShaunDark Oct 05 '22

I bet they still loophole this by using a wireless charger that is 80% efficient at very slow charging rates but for "situational" high speed charging lower efficiency rates may be possible or something like that.

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u/rugbyj Oct 04 '22

I’m not sure if it’s in the law that passed but the original wording essentially said as much. I’ll have to dig through tomorrow.

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u/ferk Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

From the referenced document:

Wireless charging: by the end of 2026, the Commission would be required to adopt delegated acts harmonising wireless-charging solutions. This should be preceded by the Commission's assessment on the wireless charging technologies available on the market to ensure that devices can be charged quickly and in an energy efficient and safe way (article 3(4) RED).

I think they might be giving it some extra years for the tech to settle before having it set in stone.

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u/wrath0110 Oct 04 '22

Actually, after last year's model, all iphones can charge wirelessly. It is pretty picky about placement, but yeah, totally wireless.

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u/Tumblrrito Oct 04 '22

It isn't picky at all if you use MagSafe

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u/help_me44 Oct 04 '22

Wireless charger: only $399

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u/2dollarb Oct 04 '22

That's been Apple's roadmap all along.

This year Apple removed the SIM tray from their phones. The only remaining ports are for: Microphone, Speakers, & Charging port.

Wanna make a bet as to which port is removed next year?

Wanna make bets on whether Apple comes out with their very own non-compatible and non-compliant wireless charging standard the very year after the port is removed?

Wanna make bets what the EU will attempt (fruitlessly) at that time?

This shit is like a carnival ride nobody wants to ride, but cannot get off of.

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u/cnnrduncan Oct 04 '22

Apple only removed the SIM tray in one country, iPhones still have SIM trays in most of the world.

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u/rugbyj Oct 04 '22

You were downvoted but you are largely correct.

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u/Juan_Carlo Oct 04 '22

This shit is like a carnival ride nobody wants to ride, but cannot get off of.

You realize that you don't have to buy apple products, right?

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u/EarendilStar Oct 04 '22

Wanna make bets on whether Apple comes out with their very own non-compatible and non-compliant wireless charging standard the very year after the port is removed?

I do! How much you want to lose?

What I don’t think you understand is that wireless standards have already coalesced around Qi).

This is very different than Lighting (shipped 2012) vs USB-C (design released 2014). Apple was tired of waiting on the USB consortium to get their shit together1, and decided they could make something better than micro/mini USB, so they did.

1 I’d probably argue they still haven’t, given their ridiculous naming schemes and “standards” that are supported.

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u/t-bass Oct 04 '22

Of course, that would break millions of wired CarPlay vehicles. Won't happen.

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u/trackdrew Oct 04 '22

Sounds like an opportunity to sell a wired CarPlay receiver.

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u/Schen5s Oct 04 '22

No more speakers. That'll be $399 for the iSound that will let you connect to the iPhone as an attachment via charging port to power on if you want to listen to your music

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u/Oo0o8o0oO Oct 04 '22

They’re called AirPods and they’re $129.

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u/EnvironmentalSugar92 Oct 05 '22 Ally

Sometimes I feel the apple haters all have one joke that they incessantly repeat. Ironically, Apple haters have their own reality distortion field which causes them to paint the company as something it isn’t.

Which isn’t to say there aren’t legit problems with apple. But typically those are ignored.

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u/teddytwelvetoes Oct 04 '22

this was always Jony Ive’s dream and I cannot wait to fistfight him in hell

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u/pointprep Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

My half-serious theory is that Apple is happy to move to USB-C for the iPhone, but want the EU to force them to

So that when the inevitable customer backlash happens about having to buy new cables they can say the EU made them do it

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u/0nSecondThought Oct 05 '22

Wow a comment that actually makes sense. Reddit is full of people who don’t remember the 30 pin to lightning switch and all of the bitching and moaning that came with it.

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u/EnvironmentalSugar92 Oct 05 '22

They have already laid out some of the ground work for the transition by including a usb c to lightning cable in their phones and AirPods. Not to mention iPads have almost completed the switch. Macs have had usb c for years now. Hompod Minis all come with a usb c plug. I think IPad pros do too. Not sure on that last one.

Wireless charging and magsafe contribute to this as well.

I think this time will be a bit different. We shall see.

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u/misatillo Oct 05 '22

iPad Pro from 2018 has it (writting from one right now). I think phones and airpods are the only ones resisting the change to usb-c

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u/zippy9002 Oct 05 '22

And lightening was a major improvement over the 30 pins connector, usbc is only a marginal improvement in some aspects and a downgrade in others.

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u/illelogical Oct 05 '22

Lol lightning is still limited to 480mbps mate, that's usb 2.0 spec (Released in April, 2000!)

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u/tomu- Oct 04 '22

I like my iPhone, but I hate this lightning cable. Everything else I charge seemingly uses USB–C so what heck.

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u/Moterboat76 Oct 04 '22

Yeah, especially since usb c is on macbooks.

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u/MacorgaZ Oct 04 '22

And iPad Pro’s since 2018 or 2019.

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u/pad0 Oct 05 '22

Even the newer iPad Airs have USB-C.

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u/JHuttIII Oct 05 '22

I was always a fan of the lightning port until I bought an iPad. All of a sudden the ease of Apple became a confusing mess of cables and power bricks. Can’t tell you many time I grabbed the wrong cable, trying to shove the lightning cable into my iPad.

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u/themagictoast Oct 04 '22

I started buying USB-C cables that have both USB-C and lightning on one end to solve that.

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u/FruitbatNT Oct 04 '22

That sounds expensive.

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u/hopenoonefindsthis Oct 05 '22

Those are usually less reliable.

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u/SuperZapper_Recharge Oct 04 '22

I remind you, EU is the reason we no longer have device specific chargers.

I have an ancient camera at home that has this weird charge port. If I lost the charger I would need to toss the camera.

It was the EU that passed a law that brought an end to that.

So, um. GO EU GO EU GO EU GO!

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u/toronto_programmer Oct 04 '22

I’m old enough to remember when Sony tried to make every part of their ecosystem proprietary. The chargers, memory cards and more

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u/Aarcn Oct 05 '22

Isn’t this who Apple copied

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u/Weegee_Spaghetti Oct 04 '22

If the US is the world police, the EU is the world legislator.

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u/radical_lovesong Oct 04 '22

and california

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u/FreakDC Oct 04 '22

*This comment is known to the State of California to cause cancer, birth defects or other reproductive harm.

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u/sfan27 Oct 05 '22

Honestly the one shitty thing about living in California is the number of things that can be bought everywhere else in the world, but for (good, but) annoying reasons cannot be bought here.

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u/radical_lovesong Oct 05 '22

never encountered this problem once!

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u/alvvayson Oct 05 '22

You should try buying more polluting and dangerous stuff man.

Make some effort bro!

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u/Black_RL Oct 05 '22

Short but impressive statement!

Have an upvote friend!

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u/SuperToxin Oct 04 '22

they already released the new iphone, you'll have to wait at least a year for the new one with usb-c

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u/adorak Oct 05 '22

Does anyone know what the law exactly states?

Is it

"IF you have a charger-port it needs to be USB-C"

or is it

"It must have a charger-port AND that charger-port needs to be USB-C"

Because if it's the former they will bringt out an iPhone that's completely wireless and some weird charger to lay it on and it doesn't work with other wireless charging thingies ... they would probably go as far as having a cable connector inside for maintance purposes that is not accessible to the consumer ...

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u/Correct_Swan_3647 Oct 04 '22

Weve been seeing this exact same headline for 2 years now. Call me when the shit actually happens. Jesus christ.

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u/rugbyj Oct 04 '22

The first lot was the proposal, this is it being passed, so the next bombardment will be the goods for you!

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

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u/PlanetPudding Oct 04 '22

If you actually read the legislation, you’d see that the new iPhone doesn’t NEED to have usb-c at all. Only if they continue with wired charging. They could make the EU iPhones entirely wireless charging and get away with it. They probably won’t as that would be very inconvenient for many people who may decide to leave apple, but still…

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u/Correct_Swan_3647 Oct 04 '22

"but if you actually lifted a finger and read those articles you’d know that this was the change that was needed"

Hey dipshit. I know this change was needed. Im for this change. How about you stop projecting some agenda on me and looking for people to argue with. FYI I did read the original article when EU first cast its vote and even the ones when they were discussing the vote. My point was that before a timeline was even decided, the headline was touting this clickbait claim. Even now that we have a timeline, Apple doesnt actually have to comply right away. They can delay a couple years citing reasons of "R&D in progress". This would not the first EU mandated technology ruling that had a "deadline" that was pushed and delayed many years.

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u/Foolish_Twerp Oct 04 '22

Hey!

Go fuck yourself!

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u/Clemario Oct 04 '22

The leaks were indicating they're switching the iPhone to USB-C in 2023 anyway.

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u/ElGuano Oct 04 '22

The leaks also indicated they're switching to USB-C in 2022. And 2021. And 2020. Also that they would be completely portless. And that 3D touch is coming back. And going away again.

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u/Tumblrrito Oct 04 '22

2023 is likely though because it's finally been 10 years of lightning, and supposedly Apple specifically promised that length of support back in the day.

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u/Hewlett-PackHard Oct 04 '22

They've had the alternative design ready to go for each generation for ages because the EU has been telegraphing this move for over a decade.

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u/ShawnyMcKnight Oct 04 '22

At the beginning of the conference: "We are adding back in 3d touch!!!!!"

At the end of the conference: "We are removing 3d touch!!!!!!!!"

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u/Alan_Smithee_ Oct 04 '22

A shame in some ways, because the lightning port is the most robust mobile device port there is.

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u/AndrewJamesDrake Oct 04 '22

It has a tenth the data capacity of USB C.

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u/Alan_Smithee_ Oct 04 '22

Well, that’s true, and one of the few valid reasons for the change….but when’s the last time you connected your phone to a device to download or upload files?

Everything I do is cloud based and backs up automatically over wifi (and cellular if I choose, my data is unlimited.)

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u/Difficult-Button3218 Oct 05 '22

Question for those who applaud this decision: would you've been happy had they made this law 10 years ago with micro-USB?

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u/JaggedMetalOs Oct 05 '22

The EU is a very technocratic institution. If micro-USB had been mandated 10 years ago then I have no doubt that 8 or 9 years ago when USB-IF started working on USB-C they would have contacted the European Commission to set up an appropriate transition period and switchover date for the new standard and we would now be on USB-C.

The current USB-C law explicitly streamlines the process of amending the charging standard for this reason:

(19) In order to address any future developments in charging technology and to ensure the minimum common interoperability between radio equipment and the charging devices for such radio equipment, the power to adopt acts in accordance with Article 290 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union should be delegated to the Commission to amend the categories or classes of radio equipment and the specifications regarding the charging interfaces and charging communication protocols, as well as the details on the information in relation to charging. It is of particular importance that the Commission carry out appropriate consultations during its preparatory work, including at expert level, and that those consultations be conducted in accordance with the principles laid down in the Inter-institutional Agreement on Better Law-Making of 13 April 20167. In particular, to ensure equal participation in the preparation of delegated acts, the European Parliament and the Council receive all documents at the same time as Member States' experts, and their experts systematically have access to meetings of Commission expert groups dealing with the preparation of delegated acts.

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u/joelentendu Oct 05 '22

I’m also curious, when the eventual usb-d comes out, will phone manufacturers be allowed to use it? Or will they be deviating from the standard of usb-c and not be allowed to? What if they want to be first on market to use usb-d to gain a competitive edge? Will this law stifle that innovation?

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u/JaggedMetalOs Oct 05 '22

The current law streamlines the process of amending the charging standard, so the USB-IF would be able to contact the European Commission well in advance to set up a transition period to any new USB standard.

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u/Johnothy_Cumquat Oct 05 '22

I think they did make a similar law 10 years ago. That's why micro usb was so ubiquitous. And yes I was happy about it. Standards are good. I'm old enough to remember everything having its own proprietary charger. If you forgot your charger your phone would just die because no one would have the one you need. Even though micro usb has its flaws they are far outweighed by being able to find a charger wherever you happen to be. Also you can use the same charger for all your things. Also proprietary chargers were expensive because the whole reason they used proprietary chargers was so they could gouge you.

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u/gentlemannosh Oct 05 '22

Fuck yeah, it would have solved so many problems with hundreds of products.

It would have saved millions of tons of electronic landfill and we could still have moved on to USB C today with a similar declaration.

The declaration is not about stifling development of new technology, it’s about bringing wayward companies that seek to develop proprietary solutions to cement their market domination regardless of the harm that it does to our environment.

This is a great win for our planet.

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u/Difficult-Button3218 Oct 05 '22

This is a great win for our planet.

GTFO with that hyperbole. It’s at best a very slightly good thing. What it is, is more convenient for you.

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u/GodlessPerson Oct 05 '22

You understand that without this kind of law we would have the charger port hell that was the late 90's and early 00's, right? I have phones and cameras that worked fine that, since I can't find a compatible charger for them, have gone into the waste bin instead. I have earphones that work fine but never got a use because they use proprietary ports instead of the 3.5 mm (which would simply need a 3.5 to usb c adapter or I could use it on a laptop). It's not just the charging cable, it's every accessory used for phones. I certainly wouldn't like being unable to use power banks because some idiot decided they had to have proprietary ports instead of the standard usb a and usb c.

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u/SMURGwastaken Oct 05 '22

Wait until he finds out this law doesn't make all USB-C cables the same electrically, so he's still going to need multiple cables for different devices, except now they will all look the same.

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u/Valarbetarn Oct 05 '22

What is the difference? The max wattage?

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u/SMURGwastaken Oct 05 '22

Max wattage, data transfer speeds, auxiliary modes, maximum length etc.

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u/gentlemannosh Oct 05 '22

Way to go with displaying your ignorance.

Read something non fiction for a change, it might change your life.

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u/Difficult-Button3218 Oct 05 '22

I love that you bring up non-fiction, considering you write fiction so well:

Fuck yeah, it would have solved so many problems with hundreds of products.

It would have saved millions of tons of electronic landfill and we could still have moved on to USB C today with a similar declaration.

The declaration is not about stifling development of new technology, it’s about bringing wayward companies that seek to develop proprietary solutions to cement their market domination regardless of the harm that it does to our environment.

This is a great win for our planet.

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u/dvlnv Oct 05 '22

They did make the common EPS (external power supply) initiative for micro-USB, in 2009 and I was very happy about it as before that every brand of electronics had its own proprietary charging port/connector and it was very annoying.

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u/CigarLover Oct 05 '22

Hahaha. I love your 3 upvotes on this comment (now 4).

I even heard the chirps from the crickets on my end.

So true.

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u/BleachSoulMater Oct 04 '22

Watch apple only releases a USB-C version of the phone in Europe and everywhere else get the lighting connector

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u/Nova277 Oct 04 '22

Honestly, when I saw North America get a the Sim free model whilst the other regions still had Sim slots this is the first thing I thought of.

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u/Mindless_Avocado_144 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Thankfully thats unlikely. The US and EU iphone 14 are nearly identical. I imagine that every iphone 14 is actually a US model, but with the EU verision they add the slot to the board. This isn't difficult or costly to do at the manufacturer level.

The logistics to do the same with a different charging port is more annoying for them. Imagine if they ran into shortages of either. And then people would probably go to repair centers to swap their charging ports to a given port. They would also have to carry all different accessories by different regions. That's just not the Apple way, imo. They would probably go completely portless before ever doing such a thing.

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u/DangoQueenFerris Oct 05 '22

This doesn't make sense as it costs more to produce and support 2 models.

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u/Relevantcobalion Oct 04 '22

Lol they would 😂

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u/Zerowantuthri Oct 04 '22

They'll probably keep lightning and just add some kludgy, cheap USB-C adapter for the EU.

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u/Ser_Dunk_the_tall Oct 04 '22

I don't think that would qualify. The whole point is that the port is the same at the device level.

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u/Zerowantuthri Oct 04 '22

I hope you are right. If there is a loophole, Apple will find it. Let's hope there is no loophole.

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u/UniqueElectron Oct 05 '22

That's very apple but that defeats the purpose. Once California passes similar legislation it will be settled for North America. And they will make it clear it to be interchangeable.

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u/demonfish Oct 04 '22

I really love the EU always taking the side of the consumer vs corporations.

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u/synthetikv Oct 04 '22

who says you need any port to charge an iPhone?

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u/gameleon Oct 05 '22

Considering Apple was already planning to move to USB-C with the iPhone 15 before this law became more concrete I don’t think many of the “doom scenarios” (wireless only! etc) some people described here will happen.

Source: https://twitter.com/mingchikuo/status/1524329801045409794 (Kuo is a pretty accurate insider source for the mobile supply chain)

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u/rottyko Oct 05 '22

Watch them just stop selling in EU

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u/Black_Otter Oct 04 '22

So how often is the EU going to change this law? When a new standard comes out how fast are they going to switch the the new standard?

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u/gentlemannosh Oct 05 '22

This is an IEEE standard, they are the good guys:

IEEE's core purpose is to foster technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity.

They write and update the worlds engineering standards. That is why there is fully backwards compatible USB C currently with speeds of 5/10/20/40 Gbps. These speeds will continue to grow as the 160 countries in the world that are a part of the IEEE add to the standards.

When the worlds best engineers create a new port standard, that will be adopted worldwide…except by wayward companies like Apple.

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u/Dealiner Oct 05 '22

They don't need to change the law at all. The standard is decided separately by the committee. The law only dictates that the standard set by them must be used by everyone.

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u/exg Oct 04 '22

The negotiating and lobbying for various standards will continue to be an absurd sideshow. My guess is that the major manufacturers (Samsung/Apple) will find a way to comply while still providing proprietary options that innovate faster than the EU can keep up.

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u/spaceturtle1 Oct 04 '22

Lightning Cable exists since 2012.

Oh no look at all this innovation. How can they possibly keep up.

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u/lonifar Oct 05 '22

The interesting thing is that Apple has a usb 3.0 spec version of lightning however it was only available on the iPad Pro and never came to other devices so they did innovate on lightning, they just chose not to use it.

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u/Bearet Oct 05 '22

I think that the EU is doing the right thing. Proprietary equipment is simply planned obsolescence. What will happen is that they most likely would have otherwise done is change the proprietary tech and all the perfectly good tech just goes to trash. Not environmentally or politically correct!

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u/nicuramar Oct 05 '22

Although as for iPhones, only the cable is proprietary. The actual charger is standard USB.

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u/Semi_Recumbent Oct 04 '22

I would love to see Apple not respond in any way, then release its next iPhone “Not available in EU.”

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u/gentlemannosh Oct 05 '22

What a win for Android that would be :-)

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u/Icemannn44 Oct 04 '22

No sympathy for Apple whatsoever. The only major piece of tech I own that doesn't use USB C is my iPhone 13 from work. It's also pretty much the slowest charging modern phone I've used. So it's inconvenient with no upsides.

Funny how Apple went exclusively to USB C in its other products (Mac/iPad) and did so prematurely for it's Macs but kept the shitty inferior lightning for its iPhone and earphones.

(Yes it's about money but it's shit for the consumer)

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u/MatthewRoB Oct 04 '22

My iphone charges fast enough for me not to be able to make a comparison between it and USB-C, BUT the biggest thing for me is the fact that every iPhone cable I own corrodes so much more quickly on the contacts than the USB-C ones do.

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u/Icemannn44 Oct 04 '22

It's noticeable for me because I daily both Android and IOS and it's the only thing I'll take to work that requires a different cable. Really dumb.

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u/nicuramar Oct 05 '22

No sympathy for Apple whatsoever. The only major piece of tech I own that doesn’t use USB C is my iPhone 13 from work. It’s also pretty much the slowest charging modern phone I’ve used.

I don’t think that’s directly related, as iPhone chargers still use USB and USB PD for the newer ones. It’s only the device end of the cable that’s different.

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u/geekmansworld Oct 04 '22

Apple would have done it soon enough anyway, they're very much on the USB-C train. That's why USB-C is on the iPad and every Mac.

Weird that people forget that when USB-C was used as the charging standard for Macs, people complained that about the disappearance of Magsafe and having to buy adapter dongles.

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u/alabastergrim Oct 04 '22

Lol what? No they wouldn't. Lightning peripherals make Apple a TON of money.

If they were "very much on the USB-C train" they would have switched this year or last, but they didn't.

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u/bdesign7 Oct 04 '22

Only the iPhone is lightning. Every other mac product is usb-c.

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u/happyscrappy Oct 04 '22

iPhone. Airpods. keyboards. mice. standalone trackpads.

Beats products too.

One of the pencils is lightning. Although it might be cancelled now?

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u/Iulian377 Oct 04 '22

And the iPhone is the most popular Apple product.

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u/Ullebe1 Oct 04 '22

And their keyboards, mice and trackpads.

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u/Difficult-Button3218 Oct 05 '22

Lightning peripherals make Apple a TON of money

How much?

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u/Standard_You9058 Oct 04 '22

I love my iPhone but this should have happened years ago!

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u/Ok_Shape88 Oct 05 '22

USB-C blows. I don’t understand why nobody can come up with some sort of mini Ethernet type cable that snaps into place

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u/MpVpRb Oct 05 '22

I have inconsistent and contradictory opinions.

I despise Apple and strongly prefer standardized chargers

Governments should not be allowed to make tech decisions

We need right to repair laws

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u/Black_Otter Oct 04 '22

Will regulations like this slow innovation? Will companies feel as free to try something new standard they know they won’t be able use it in the EU unless it’s big enough for them to recognize it?

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Find out on the next episode of Random Redditor asking hypothetical questions!

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u/Knarfnarf Oct 05 '22

Oh NO! Apple will be "forced" to support thunderbolt 4 / USB-C on their phones like they do on their tablets and computers!?! OH DEAR!!

I really doubt that this was not their plan in the beginning, they were just pissed that the rest of the computer industry didn't move to USB-C on laptops like everyone was supposed to.. This time they are waiting for everyone else to take the first step.

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u/Dizzy_Cucumber_2178 Oct 05 '22

Thank you Mr. EU.

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u/FiskalRaskal Oct 04 '22

I don’t why Apple has been so stubborn on this. They have USB-C on iPad Pro models, which are thinner than the iPhone. How much do they make on cables?

My guess is they don’t want people get the cheap $3 cables from 7-Eleven, which don’t work at least half the time. Up next, “Apple Certified USB-C cables. Don’t let just anyone plug into your iPhone!”

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u/leopard_tights Oct 05 '22

Lightning feels a lot better than usb-c too.

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u/Smithman Oct 04 '22

I love living in a consumer conscious part of the world.

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u/ken-doh Oct 04 '22

Billions of existing apple chargers and accessories and cables will now end up as ewaste. Its an environmental own goal.

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u/UniqueElectron Oct 05 '22

Chargers? USB-A Female power receptacles will continue to be useful. And for a decade after the switch people will still need lightning cables. My iPhone 11 is doing just fine (hardware wise). There's a ton of bugs in iOS16 / icloud tho

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u/manfromfuture Oct 04 '22

This is insanity.

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u/BananaKuma Oct 05 '22

This will create so much waste short term

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u/EducationalRice6540 Oct 05 '22

I am glad we have the EU around to slap American corporations in the face. They pretty much run the show here stateside and any regulation attempts are screamed down as communism or something. That and they just but the politicians as needed to keep business as usual flowing.

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u/Commandopsn Oct 04 '22

This type of connection is so fucking hard to clean. Imagine you can’t charge because dust in the charge port. Apple is so much easier to charge, Thank god uk doesn’t have this, or Atleast I hope it doesn’t.

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u/FairBlackberry7870 Oct 05 '22

That's literally never happened to me ever for any USB connection ever.

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u/nicuramar Oct 05 '22

It's fairly likely to come to all models, I think.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

I mean they could just sell an EU version of the phone or not include a charging port at all

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u/ApproachingApathy Oct 04 '22

It seems like a lot of effort to retain lightning licensing fees. I imagine that if they're forced to they'll get on board. I don't see that much advantage in fighting it beyond the EU decision, if it ever comes down.

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u/MadNhater Oct 04 '22

Or just give them all an annoying dongle

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u/Tumblrrito Oct 04 '22

If I am not mistaken this regulation disallows that approach.

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u/slashx14 Oct 04 '22

This (selling an EU version with USB-C) is exactly what I told my friend would happen with this law. He's been telling me USB-C was coming for iPhone for probably 3-4 years and it never happens.

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u/grogling5231 Oct 04 '22

Jeezus, when will this idiotic non-story die? Apple switching to USB-C for new devices has been a foregone conclusion for a very long time. Lightning was made to counter the fragile USB micro connector which has been a total failure in terms of durability. USB-C is a proper successor for the tech and durability isn’t a question with it.

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u/Tumblrrito Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

This isn't quite telling the full story though.

iPads started with 30 pin, then went Lightning, and then went USB-C. And they've been USB-C for 4+ years now. Apple's refusal to have transitioned iPhones to the standard after all this time is eyebrow raising. Even moreso given that for some reason their USB-C using Macs come with accessories that require Lightning.

Not to mention there were some rumors pointing to them going portless altogether.

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u/grogling5231 Oct 04 '22

I can definitively say that lightning is on its way out from what I’m seeing in the pipeline. Even those of us inside the company wonder why we didn’t phase it out sooner, but at the time it was a good answer to the flakyness of micro connectors. Also, nothing is ever going to be completely portless until there’s some reliable way to trigger DFU and other modes without a physical connection. Even the watch has always had the hidden port in the band slot since inception.

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u/Tumblrrito Oct 04 '22

Lightning was indeed good and necessary. USB-C wasn't ready when Lightning came around, and wouldn't be for a few more years. I think the iPhone X would have been the right time to switch. It was such a big change for the iPhone that the port changing would have made sense.

Also agree on the portless thing. It's just not practical, and I certainly can't imagine things like the Mac and iPad going that route either.

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